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Top Italian bishop: Islamic jihad terror attacks have nothing to do with religion

Dec 20, 2016 10:03 am By Robert Spencer

This is the official Vatican line. Pope Francis has said that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” In the prevailing atmosphere of papal idolatry, some Catholic authorities believe that this is binding Catholic teaching that all Catholic believers must accept. The papal idolaters don’t realize that in insisting on this they are cutting the ground out from their own feet, as their position would be tantamount to binding believers to a falsehood, which would mean that the Catholic Church itself is false.

“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)

“Top Italian Bishop: Islamist Attacks Have Nothing to Do With Religion,” by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, December 20, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

Despite appearances to the contrary, the murder of the Russian ambassador in Ankara and the Berlin massacre in a Christmas market have nothing to do with religion but are economically motivated, according to the secretary general of the Italian bishops’ conference.

On Monday, a gunman shot the Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, at an art exhibition in Ankara, reportedly shouting “Allahu akbar” while he gunned him down. Later in the day, a Muslim Pakistani “refugee” drove a semi through a Christmas market in Berlin, killing 12 people and injuring many others.

In an interview with the Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, Bishop Nunzio Galantino, said the Berlin and Ankara terrorist attacks were not motivated by religion but by money.

“At bottom, there is just selfishness and oppression,” Galantino said. “Wars benefit those who have power or money, those who trade in weapons.”

In the end, he said, “poor people die in wars, while the well-off are enriched.”

The solution, the bishop contends, “is to be all the more united, more tolerant” and to “beware of violence, even in the use of language.”

“Vulgarity and aggressiveness in language fuel a climate that brings out the worst in people and impedes efforts toward a peaceful coexistence. There is a terrorism of language, and you can kill with calumny,” he said.

“Look at the media, on TV and in politics, and even more on social networks. The word of an imbecile is worth as much as that of a Nobel prize winner,” he said, “and often the words of a violent person or a warmonger have even more impact.”

It is not a clash of civilizations, he said. “I do not believe it.”

Galantino was personally appointed to his leadership role in the Italian Bishops Conference by Pope Francis, in a rare move where the pontiff circumvented the usual elective process to name his own man….

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  1. Ciudadano says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Well, acoording to Aid for the Church in Need, a catholic organization, there are “334 million persecuted Christians in the world” (http://tinyurl.com/j8ygyus) mostly in islamic countries. The daily discrimination and opression christians and other religious minorities endure in islamic countries is well documented. Discrimination, persecution, abduction, harrasment, arson, forced conversions and lynching are part of the daily live of christians in countries like Pakistan, Egipt or Irak. In other Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrein, christians celebrations and rituals, like Christmas or Lent, are banned at all.

    The situation of christians in islamic countries has everything to do with religion. Discrimination and violence against non-muslims is unequivocally sancationed in islamic scriptures and put in practice with varing degrees in islamic countries. In Saudi Arabia it is banned to build christian churches or having a Bible. In “moderate” islamic countries like egypt or turkey goverment denies permissions to build new Christian churches and demolishes churches at whim. In Iran christians are frecuently raided and jailed.

    Islamic intolerance and supremacism manifest itself in many ways, sometimes as a massacre of non-muslims by one of the many jihadist groups, but most of the time as discrimination, harrassment, bulling by “moderate” muslims against non-muslims.

    Most immigrants are sunni muslims from islamic countries. It is reasonable to expect most of them will bring the same islamic attitudes of intolerance and supremacism againts people of other religions. Even more, it is documented that christian immigrants in asylums are being harrased, threaten and discriminated by fellow muslim immigrants.

    My only question is why, given all evidence about islamic bigotry and violence in islamic countries against non-muslims, western politicians and religous authorities expect muslim immigrants from islamic countries to magically change their intolerant attitudes and become respectfull towards native non-muslims.

    • Ciudadano says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 10:28 am

      Even more. It is well documented that violent misogynistic attitudes and violent homophobic attitudes are very common in countries with islamic cultures.

      Again, it is reasonable to expect that millions of muslims immigrants from islamic countries will bring those misogynistic and homophobic attitudes to western countries.

      Again, the same question, given all the evidence of misogynistic and homophobic attitudes in islamic countries, why western politicians want to bring millions of muslims from backward islamic countries to western countries?

      • Adrian Johnson says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 8:43 am

        It’s part of the NWO’s program –utilizing the EU’s “Coudenhove-Kalurgi Plan” (google it) to destabilise governments / culture in 1st-world countries manufacturing crises requiring 1) martial law and erosion of civil rights and 2) followed by rule by the next anti-christ.

        People like this bishop and the Pope who appointed him sound more and more to me like “the false prophet” as well as “hireling shepherds” [of the NWO?] . Stay in the church, but be wary of false and imprudent teaching. Google “Thomas Aquinas. Immigrants” and “Thomas Aquinas Islam” see the wisdom the Angelic Doctor gives which contradicts what these wolves in sheep’s clothing are teacing the faithful. However only a minority of today’s Catholics will have the guts to buck the Vatican party-line, and will be a marginalized minority in an unofficial schism which will separate the sheep from the goats in the great Apostasy taking place under our noses even now.

        • Rob Porter says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 9:39 pm

          Adrian, well said. This Bishop Nunzio Galantino rambles on like a raving imbecile while ascribing to himself wisdom. What he says has little to do with the reality of Islam, not least what is contained and directed in the Qur’an, but much to do with he personal delusion. He is a danger to himself and those foolish enough to heed his words. He is indeed a false prophet. I truly marvel at the rubbish coming out of the mouth of Pope Francis and Bishops like this one.

          As to Pope Francis saying: “…authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence,” it is evident that the Pope has either never read the Qur’an or for his own reasons is lying. Thank God for a home, schooling, society and temperament that instilled in me independent thought and healthy skepticism that prevents swallowing the utter nonsense that contradicts what is evident, and this emanating from supposedly wise and highly influential individuals like Pope Francis. Thank goodness his credibility is now in serious question among large numbers of people.

        • Paul says

          Dec 22, 2016 at 6:33 pm

          Islam is pure politicai evil in the guise of religion. We misunderstand Islamvat our peril.

    • Lucia Bartoli says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 1:32 pm

      Well said!

  2. Angemon says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:16 am

    Despite appearances to the contrary, the murder of the Russian ambassador in Ankara and the Berlin massacre in a Christmas market have nothing to do with religion but are economically motivated, according to the secretary general of the Italian bishops’ conference.

    Oh, for f***’s sake. You know, usually when someone says something along the lines of “despite appearances to the contrary”, they follow with a robust, logic and fact-based explanation of why appearances are wrong, not “they’re wrong because I say so”.

    I doubt this bishop can clench his ass without choking himself…

    • james.mich says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 4:02 am

      Galantino may be sagacious in other respects, but he is dangerously deluded in regard to this issue. Regardless of what the Church has said since Vatican 2, Islam is a deadly danger. This is proved beyond all doubt by the behaviour of jihadis – they do what their religion allows or requires of them: stuff like

      killing Christians and Yezidis
      drowning or shooting Christians
      crucifying or maiming Christian boys
      raping captive women
      kidnapping hundreds of Christian girls
      defiling or burning churches
      killing priests and nuns
      preaching hatred and warfare against Jews and Christians
      murdering children
      teaching children to kill prisoners
      copulating with the dead
      marrying very young girls
      drinking camel urine
      copulating with boys

      Since 9.11.2001 Muslims have killed almost 30,000 people in terror attacks alone. Does this seem peaceful ?

      None of this is unIslamic behaviour. Why does Bp Galantino not find slavery, mutilation, terrorism, paedophilia, piss-drinking and murder repugnant ?

  3. Benedict says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:20 am

    “Vulgarity and aggressiveness in language fuel a climate that brings out the worst in people and impedes efforts toward a peaceful coexistence. ”

    The black bishop only needs to quote “the vulgarity” of John 3:16 from his “offensive” canon in order to bring out the worst in Muslims.
    Why not replace it with the Quran and its many verses of love, grace and peace so abundantly demonstrated by its author and his followers?

  4. eur says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:21 am

    Muslims have millions of Christians (and non-Christians) as hostages in Egypt and infected wells like that … in case they tell the truth, that Islam and jihad are one they would murder these people. The worst thing you can do is call a madman crazy.
    – Mr Muslim you are not peaceful.
    – How can you say I’m not peaceful? I’ll kill you !!!

    It is no longer possible to get rid of the Muslims, they have come. We have to think about how to delobotomize them. Another option is war .. which nobody wants to get .. I think. I know that Muslims still want to subdue us, implant Shariah … and even kill us .. but we do not all agree with that thought. We only have to try it by peaceful and educational means and resign ourselves to dying in Muslim attacks.

    • G says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 10:54 am

      Yea, right! I’ll join you but I’ll stay at least 100 bodies behind you in the queue.

      • eur says

        Dec 20, 2016 at 11:37 am

        Oh no, do not get me wrong, I’m willing to defend my family. I am speaking of us as a society(the west), if we do not recognize the danger and defend ourselves together, we have no choice but to focus on education. The logical thing would have been to have expelled all Muslims and to have banned Islam .. but that has not happened or will happen. Nor will I attack any Muslim, so I say that if we as a society are not aware we have only to bet on education .. or war.

    • Ivan Rittenberg says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 2:07 pm

      Appeasement does not work. It didn’t work with the Nazis and it isn’t working with today’s Islamist.
      It didn’t work in ancient times and it will not work now. The Roman paid tribute to the barbarian tribes who eventually destroyed them. Chamberlain said Hitler would give us peace if we gave up the Czechoslovakia. Keep feeding the piranha until they take all the the flesh off your bones.
      God pity all the poor Christians trapped in Islamic countries. In the EU they have chosen to invite the Sharia Islamic imperative and evil to their homes. Their Leaders have chosen to champion, romanticize, protect and nourish the growth of a Islamic population under a false banner of multiculturalism when in fact pious Muslims for religious reason reject pluralism as a affront ti Islam and seek to extend Sharia law and the Um-ma to the EU.

      These multicultural PC leaders are beginning to pay the price for their ignorance or abhorrence to historical fact and the theology of Salafi / Wahhabi Islam in their people’s blood, personal dignity and freedoms. Societal suicides are known to history. The Islamic expansionism , conquest, and destruction of Hindi and Buddhists nations under Islamic jihad is a historical fact. . The Islamist war has been on-going since 640 AD. When Islamic expansion was stopped in the West it proceed to the East all the way to Malaysia and to the South into central Africa. It stops only when stopped militarily.
      The Islamic conquest re-programs the people it conquerors. Berbers, Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese and they all had their own languages, cultures and histories and own genotype.

      They were reprogrammed as Arabs, they self-identify as Arabs, speak Arabic and have no remembrance of their Christianity or other religion.. .

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 22, 2016 at 4:24 am

      Why would Muslims care what the “filthy Infidels” have to say?

  5. Jan Aage Jeppesen says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:24 am

    The bishop is in a way right. The concepts of Jihad and Terror are part of a political ideology and not truly religious concepts. The confusion arises from the fact that the Quran is a political manifest given a thin transcendent or religious justification. If Muslims just practiced the truly religious rites of Islam – The Five Pillars of Islam – there would be no Jihad and no Terror against unbeliever. 😉

    • August West says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 11:05 am

      You are right in that we have allowed Islam to hide behind the label of Religion for far too long. The aspects of Islam that are clearly a Religion (Mecca verses of the Koran) generally do not drive Jihad. The political aspects of Islam contained in the Medina verses of the Koran, Hadith, Life of Mohammad, Reliance of the Traveller, etc do drive Jihad.

      The problem is that we can’t separate the different aspects of Islam, they are integrally entangled.

      Be careful with the 5 Pillars – they are not as innocent as they look.

      Pillar #5 is Zakat which is an Islamic Tax for Muslims to pay. According to page h8.8 of Reliance of the Traveller there are 8 categories of legitimate recipients of Zakat. Number 7 in the list of these 8 recipients are “Those Fighting for Allah”. So some portion of Zakat tax goes to fund jihad. This is done through Islamic Charities of which the infamous Holyland Foundation was one.

      This is why Islamic finance, Halal foods etc should be avoided. A portion of the net income derived from these businesses goes to Zakat of which a portion will go to fund the global jihad. Firms that have Islamic financial products (for example) generally have Sharia Review Boards which determine how Zakat is to be dispersed. Needless to say there is not a lot of transparency into this matter.

      The 5th Pillar is a problem.

      • Jan Aage Jeppesen says

        Dec 20, 2016 at 2:19 pm

        All nations are funded by some kind of tax system, and some of money are used to dend the naton and is ciizens.

        If the Zakat were only used for purely defensive purposes, as we in the West define legitimate self defense, offensive Jihad would not be possible, just defensive Jihad.

        I am aware that I define transcendence or religion in a much more narrow way than most scholars do. Close to the ideal Martin Luther laid out in his thesis of the Two Regiments – seperation of chuch and politics.

        There is no such seperation of religin and politics in Islam, they are one and the same and can not be seperated. This unity is the fundamental problem in Islam and an obstacle to make Muslim countres evolve into secular liberal democracies based on basic equality and the rule of law.

        • AnneM says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 8:33 am

          The teachings and the practices simply cannot be seperated.

        • Benedict says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 10:09 am

          Islam is religion as politics and politics as religion.
          If the conjoined twins are separated both would die.

  6. vlparker says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:38 am

    So glad to know the good bishop knows what is going on inside someone else’s head. I wonder if he was looking in a mirror when he said “imbecile”.

  7. August West says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:46 am

    What a good little Bishop. He got promoted to a special assignment, and is doing what his The Pope is telling him to. He will make Cardinal for sure (as long as he does not fall victim to the Jihad himself).

    When this very politically astute Bishop makes Cardinal that might open up a slot of Msgr Swetland to advance.

    What we are seeing here is internal Catholic politics and nothing more. If the Pope were clearly articulating the issues with Islam, this Bishop would be as well.

    Remember this garbage when the collection basket comes to you on Christmas. Put in an envelope with a note in it that you will not contribute until these clowns stop aiding and abetting the global jihad.

    • Adrian Johnson says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 8:49 am

      Good on you.
      I’m taking your advice, and I hope everyone else reading this will too.

  8. no_one says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:50 am

    He is a liar and the RCC is not the real One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The guy proves it once again. I am not sure there is grace in the RCC. They worship the pope, listen to the pope, not to Christ.

    • Wellington says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 11:56 am

      You have provided an inaccurate, wildly inaccurate, assessment of Catholic doctrine. Roman Catholics do not worship the Pope, only God (and thus Christ). The Pope is “merely” God’s representative on earth. Really, dispute the Catholic Church if you care to but at least dispute what the Church avers and not what you believe it avers. For starters, I would recommend your getting a copy of the Catholic Catechism.

      • no_one says

        Dec 20, 2016 at 9:32 pm

        Wellington,
        I have no time to read Catholic Catechism. No time for the fantasies of elderly men. I know the creed and they should be worshiping the Holy Trinity, although the creed is somewhat not the Nicene creed. I have noticed that popes are like rock stars. This is not humble. Catholics think the pope is infallible and that is a big mistake. They listen to him. If he contradicts Christ they would still listen to him. This is not right. On paper they worship Christ. In practice they worship a human, the pope.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 20, 2016 at 10:28 pm

          You’re even more ignorant than I thought.

        • Achmed says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 1:51 am

          It is readily apparent that those that call you ignorant are the TRULY (special emphasis added) ignorant.

        • Barbara says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 11:58 am

          Believe it or not there was a world before 1960. Believe it or not there has been Catholic worship of the One True God, in the One True Faith, before 1960. The idolatry of the Pope, which I agree exists today, can indeed be compared to the adulation of a Rock Star. But, snowflake, before 1960 there were no Rock Stars.

      • no_one says

        Dec 20, 2016 at 11:07 pm

        I am not ignorant. I have studied a bit about RCC. Their history prevents me from reading any Catechism. I think the pope is a heretic, but secretly hope some ordinary Catholics may be saved. You have no idea what I had to endure because one of the recent popes. No one who had to endure this would ever think of becoming a Catholic.

        • james.mich says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 4:41 am

          I can’t imagine what you’ve been through, but I became one. The bad stuff in its life and history, though bad, is not what it is founded on. Which makes the bad stuff, from that POV, irrelevant. To be human at all, is to sin, and leaving the CC doesn’t change that. If the CC is not disqualified by the sins of the Apostles, later, more notorious evils can’t disqualify it either.

          We certainly don’t worship the Pope. If we do, why do those who accuse us of doing so not bring evidence of their assertion ? It can be shown that we worship God, because our service-books, Missals, devotional books and such like sources contain many prayers to God, many of which ask Him to do what He alone does, or praising Him for what He alone Is. Where do we ascribe to the Pope what belongs only to God ?

        • Wellington says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 1:20 pm

          “Their history prevents me from reading any Catechism.”

          Oh please. You proffered an excuse, and a pretty bad one at that, and not any kind of true argument. Following your logic, the history of Communism would validate a person not reading the Communist Manifesto or the history of Nazism would sanction a person not reading Mein Kampf. Time to grow up intellectually.

          And exactly what history are you referring to? That at times some Catholics, including some Popes, acted badly? Well, this could be said of any Protestant or Orthodox sect and some of their leaders too, so we’re back to square one here. Reconsider things.

      • no_one says

        Dec 20, 2016 at 11:44 pm

        Please, forgive me if you are a Catholic and I have offended you. I didn’t mean to. I have to apologize to ant Catholic who may read this. What I think is my opinion based on observations and some reading.

      • Anne Smith says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 5:46 am

        Quite an amazing concept really isn’t it? The Pope being God’s representative on earth.

        Funnily enough there were no Popes, or Bishops in the Bible.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 1:14 pm

          For the record, Anne Smith, Catholics claim that Matthew 16:16-20. where Jesus looks upon Peter and says that he is the rock upon which He will build His Church is the scriptural authorization for the papacy. Now, I am an agnostic, not religious in the least, but the New Testament has many, many passages, as do other religious works, which can be interpreted different ways. Catholics interpret the passage from Matthew I cited the way I indicated. So, your comment about Popes or Bishops not being mentioned in the Bible doesn’t add up to much. Remember, the Trinity is never specifically mentioned in the New Testament either. Care to reject therefore the Trinity?

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 22, 2016 at 4:30 am

      This is silly, no_one. It is not the Catholic Church that is the problem, but dhimmitude–which one finds in all sorts of denominations these days–as well as with secularists.

  9. G says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:51 am

    Please someone, tell me where I might obtain a copy of the “authentic” version of the Quaran referred to. I don’t recognise the Catholics interpretation so clearly I have the wrong document in my possession. Mine came from Mecca in Saudi Arabia so, what would they know about Islam?

    • DFD says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      Mecca, Saudi Arabia? Simple answer: According to the pope, Obama, Merkel, Hollande, May, etc., they have nothing to do with Islam, they are hijaclking a peaceful, beautiful religion.

      Didn’t you know that? 🙂

      • james.mich says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 4:42 am

        LOL

      • Adrian Johnson says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 8:52 am

        All of them creatures / useful idiots of the NWO which is behind all this Muslim invasion by”peaceful” migration: which has an Islamic term, by the way: conquest by Hejira.

  10. andra says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:52 am

    In one point this Bishop is right. These attacks have nothing to do with religion, as Islam is no religion but an ideology.

    Referring to Berlin there is to say that the accused refugee denies being the dirver of the car. Although he came to Germany on no legal grounds, uses at least two different identities and has already comitted minor crimes the investigators believe this man. And following the New Year´s Eve Tradition you can Count on the fact that he will be released soon and get a huge compensation for having been arrested. (On New Year´s Eve there was one guy who had a phone showing the crime he did in Cologne. The victim could not identify him and he pretended that he had bought the cell phone several days after New Year´s Eve on the streets – which means illegally. So he was not convicted.)

    By the way, yesterday happened a lot in Europe. In Greece a refugee burnt down a church shouting Allahu agbar. In Austria has a Muslim disturbed the Chrismas feast of a kindergarden by shouting Alahu agbar onstage and a Razzia in Austria could stop plans for an attack in Salzburg for next week.

  11. IQ al Rassooli says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 10:54 am

    Pope Francis and his minions have unleashed the most DESPICABLE, Deplorable and utterly INSANE statements about Muslims and Islam that only totally IRRATIONAL minds can conceive

    It was and is under pope Francis WATCH that the most PERSECUTED people on Earth are Christians by Muslims and he has done absolutely NOTHING but DEFEND Islam & Muslims especially in my country Iraq which in 2003 had 1.3 million of the oldest Christian communities on Earth and are now less than 200,000 and continuing downhill

    To put my thoughts as mildly as possible: Pope Francis and his bishops are beneath CONTEMPT!

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • Achmed says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 1:55 am

      The pope is just a Roman Catholic bein’ a Roman Catholic. What’s the big deal? … Just another example.

      • Adrian Johnson says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 9:21 am

        You need to understand that every once in a while the Catholic Church has had a bad pope. We suffered some corkers, thrugh history. We were overdue for a modern bad one, and Francis increasingly looks like “it”.

        The Catholic Church will survive, thanks to Christ’s promise that it would; however he never promised us it would be easy; lots of persecutions, etc.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 22, 2016 at 4:33 am

        Pope Benedict was actually pretty sharp about the threat of Islam.

    • Real McCoy says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 5:45 am

      For how long we will let the blind Muslims to kill us?. Italian Bishop Islam attacks have nothing to do with religion?. I believe the Bishop know everything what’s written in the Muslims religion in their Quran.

    • Annemarie says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 3:49 pm

      You are totally right.

  12. David says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:01 am

    “Good” Muslims are those who follow the Ten Commandments and the Teachings of Christ.

    “Bad” Muslims are those who are strict in following the teachings of Mohammad.

  13. Eric Jones says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:04 am

    Frncis is putting his puppets in place. Who will drain the swamp in the Vatican?

    Eric

    • EYESOPEN says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 9:08 pm

      Jesus Christ – in His good time.

      • Adrian Johnson says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 9:21 am

        You said it.

  14. RationalVoice says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:14 am

    All religion and religions are irrational ,false inventions of the human mind. Their propagators ,followers, and rules are rooted in the ignorance and superstitions of the past. They are often dangerous illusions leading to divisions ,violence and instability throughout the world
    Above all they are not the truth which can only be found using the Scientific Method.
    People overly influenced by religious views should be disregarded
    Roll on the day when these perversions of the human psyche cease to exist and rationality prevails !!

    • maghan says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 12:19 pm

      Sikhism, Buddhism, Christianity as taught by Christ, Shintoism,the Ancient Egyptian Religion, the Coptic religion, etc, do not promote violence in the way that Islam does. Islam is indeed a special case. Same as the Aztec religion and other religions that require bloody sacrifices to appease their gods.

      The issue with science and religion is that science discovers how things happen but is at loss to answer the ultimate “why’ question. That question may indeed be unanswerable but humans still search for an answer.

    • John C. Barile says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 12:19 pm

      These facile assertions are, in the end, nothing more than the current Party line, the faulty prudential–and merely personal–judgements of this Pope, as embraced and amplified by his sycophants and by the adherents of Francis’ cult of personality. They are not doctrinal formulations, much less dogmas of faith and are not binding on the conscience of a Catholic–not on that of this Latin Rite Catholic. Neither do they bind the conscience of a Melkite Catholic layman like Robert Spencer

    • John C. Barile says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      Secular humanism is RV’s dogmatic creed. The scientific method has little to do with it. Unless RV proves, not merely by rational argument, but by the scientific method he professes to believe in, that what he asserts is universally true, then his assertions as they stand are not scientific postulations.

      I would need at least as much humility to seek truth through human reason alone and by the scientific method–and then to draw ethical conclusions from them–as I would the humility I need to seek truth through Divine revelation.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 20, 2016 at 1:18 pm

        Atheism is every bit as much a metaphysical commitment as religion is. Even agnosticism is arguably a metaphysical commitment of sorts, beneath the surface.

    • eduardo odraude says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      “RationalVoice” (modest, are you?),
      You miss the point here, really. Even supposing that all religions are mere fantasies, some religions lead to totalitarian outcomes (Islam), and some others do not. Islamic teachings are a far greater threat to civil and political liberties than the teachings of any other major religion.

      Even if Judaism and Christianity are considered fantasies, their teachings arguably have led to open societies. Stephen Morillo, a historian who is neither Christian nor Jewish, has said that one reason constitutional societies based on free contract evolved in Europe is that the Bible portrays God making covenants — contracts — with human beings. In addition, the central figure of the New Testament is reputed to have said “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, to God’s the things that are God’s,” and “my kingdom is not of this world.” Statements like those played a key role in the gradual emergence of a separation between religion and state.

      The situation is a good deal more complicated than your self-named “rational voice” dreams of, Horatio.

    • DFD says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 1:47 pm

      RationalVoice says: “….cease to exist and rationality prevails !!…”

      ‘Rationality’ – hmh, sounds like ‘New World Order’. Soros & Co. are promoting such rationality on a contineous basis.

      I think i rather remain irrational.

      BTW, you are obviously a firm **believer** in atheism. That means in nothing. Yet, you proclaim that those who believe in God, believe in nothing. Tell me then, is your nothingness better than the nothingness of those of us who believe? Or is that rational? I am sure there’s a rational answer…

    • Kepha says

      Dec 20, 2016 at 8:29 pm

      And you, sir, are rooted in the superstitions of the Gilded Age.

      • DFD says

        Dec 21, 2016 at 12:52 pm

        Doodness, now I am depressed….

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 22, 2016 at 4:35 am

      Most religions are no threat–many are beneficent. Islam is anything but.

  15. Porky The Crusader says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:16 am

    Another Idiot.

  16. Shmooviyet says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:16 am

    This bishop would have been throwing eggs and spitballs at returning VN vets. His lines above are the same garbage heard from leftists anywhere. Terrorists as victims: of poverty, mean words on social media, intolerance, blah blah… stop being such foul-mouthed bullies of islam on FB etc, get these misunderstoods some opportunity, spread your wealth, and they will calm down– simple! HE does not believe it’s a clash of civilizations, so it cannot be.
    Try preaching “tolerance” to those who have NONE, you idiot. Something suggests you wouldn’t bother.
    Reminiscent of the Kerry State Dep’t spokeschicks.

  17. Ciudadano says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:32 am

    “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”

    That explains why in Saudi Arabia christian churches are banned and carrying a bible is punished violently. They are not reading properly their own coran.

  18. common sense says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 11:42 am

    Yeah and Clintons private server and foundation had nothing to do with the FBI investigating her. NOT!
    We don’t believe them and we let them know by electing Trump.
    They don’t have to wake up I’d just prefer that they shut up.

  19. Wellington says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    Much of the present Catholic hierarchy, led by Pope Francis, may end up doing more damage to the Catholic Church than any outside force ever has. Sure starting to look this way.

  20. John C. Barile says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    Bishop Galantino’s facile assertions are, in the end, nothing more than the current Party line, the faulty prudential–and merely personal–judgments of this Pope, as embraced and amplified by his sycophants, and by the adherents of Francis’ cult of personality. They are not doctrinal formulations, much less dogmas of faith, and are not binding on the conscience of a Catholic–certainly not on that of this Catholic. Neither do they bind the conscience of a Melkite Catholic layman like Robert Spencer.

  21. eduardo odraude says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Bishop Nunzio Galantino, WAKE UP!:

    Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
    LINK: Page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:

    Abu jahl said to them: “Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell.” The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: “I do say that.”

    Quoting Islam

  22. commonsense says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    “It is not a clash of civilizations,” he (Galantino) said. “I do not believe that.”

    I refer you all to a recent article, posted here a couple of weeks ago, by Hugh Fitzgerald, who invokes Dickens’s Mr. Podsnap. Find it, read it…you’ll see the connection between him and Galantino, the difference being that Galantino is a real, not fictional, total ass.

  23. Lucia Bartoli says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    The Catholic Doctrine demands only that one over the pope ONLY when he speaks “ex cathedral” and that is about matters of doctrine. Francis is at best vague and ambiguous; at worst he is dangerous. Many of us orthodox Catholics are extremely upset.

  24. PRCS says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    “The word of an imbecile is worth as much as that of a Nobel prize winner”

    Well, Bishop, that’s the only part you got right.

  25. DFD says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    Political correctness, an action, a relentless action rather.

    Do actions cause reactions? Let’s have a look: In various schools in Italy, in Palermo, Catanzaro/Calabria, Potenza/Basilicata, Tivoli, Gaeta in Lazio, Trieste, Udine Fruili-Venezia Giulia, and Piacenza/Emilia Romagna, in all those areas or localities *school children* selected Hitler’s Mein Kampf as one of their favorite reads.

    See: http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/media/Il-Mein-Kampf-di-Adolf-Hitler-finisce-a-sorpresa-nella-top-10-di-10-scuole-italiane-bc570c6b-75c6-440b-8fb7-c31d4dd16b92.html#foto-13

    I suggest re-reading: SCHOOL CHILDREN! You think that’s only in Italy? Their minister for education (or similar) already stated that this is not wide spread and ***should not have been publized without “detailed clarification”***.

    I wonder where else such matters are *not* publicised. Europe is brooding. I think that we better elect decent, traditional center parties like the AfD, FPÖ, Gert Wilders (? Hmh ?), because otherwise we will see Führers rising everywhere.

    The left/anarchists/greens don’t seem to comprehend that they are achieving the exact opposite of what they want. We, normal conservatives or Christians may wake up ankle deep in something we don’t want, the lefties from hip to mouth; and the Muslims – over and above their skulls…

  26. marblenecltr says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 3:54 pm

    This all seems peaceful and loving to me: Qur’an 8:68 or 69, “No prophet hath been able to take captives until ye had made great slaughter in the earth. 47: 4, When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters. 47: 38 or 39, … invite not the infidels to peace when he have the upper hand: for God is with you and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works.” “Recompense” refers to the reward the god of Islam has for those killers, and is seen in 8: 2 or 3, “… when ye have taken any booty, a fifth part belongeth to God and to the Apostle, and to the near of kin, and to orphans, and to the poor, and to the warfare, if ye believe in God …” The booty involves goods and all human lives, the latter to be used as slaves in any way desired; the successful jihadist kept eighty percent of the spoils. Harems included many Christian women who would not give up their love for Jesus. Allah is not the God of any Christian.

    • marblenecltr says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 10:07 am

      The third word of the fifth line was written “we,” not “he.”

  27. marblenecltr says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    In the fourth from the last line, “warfare” was typed “wayfarer.”

  28. Carlos Danger says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    Some Shepherd he is.

    He should go flock himself

  29. SoliDeoGloria says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    The last paragraph of the post says it all:
    “Galantino was personally appointed to his leadership role in the Italian Bishops Conference by Pope Francis, in a rare move where the pontiff circumvented the usual elective process to name his own man….”.

    Did you get that? Bergoglio chose Galanti as his own man.
    What else is there to say?

    So glad I’m an Italian Evangelical Christian!

  30. Lea Buschesa says

    Dec 20, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    For sure the pope should read much better the whole Koran before he was telling those stupid words… And Muslims should read our Bible…. In the Bible is not mentioned “to kill in the Name of God”, but “Allah order to kill all the Kafirs!” The pope says that terror has nothing to do with religion, completely wrong! Islam “should be religion” but is a “religion” who brings terror worldwide.So pope you should be more honesty, you don’t say what you think….just like politicians do!

  31. Peter Ahlskog says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 1:13 am

    THE PROBLEM is that the pope and so many other Muslim-lovers is that they DON’T UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT ISLAM

    1) RELIGION, their BOOKS Koran, Sira and hadiths, their “REAL” LAWS and traditions, HOW TO DO things, how to REFUSE INTEGRATION and instead use their SETTLEMENT POLICY with an increasing number of Muslims with 10,000 – 50,000 Muslims in self-created PARALLEL MUSLIM TOWNS. These fast growing towns all over Western Europe have an INCREASING CRIMINALITY. Mostly in drugs, and extreme violence (stabbing, shootings, small home-made bombs intruders. Mostly they kill other, established drug lords (non-Muslims from Serbia, Croatia, Russia, Ukraine who enjoy the West), but there are also violent clashes between Somalians and Arabs. Furthermore – every Muslim get a gold star in the Muslim community if he KILL AN INFIDEL POLICEMAN.

    We have seen increasing numbers in attacks on police and life saving blue-light personnel,who more and more refuse to enter these NO GO-ZONES, in countries which welcomed the Muslim asylants in their country and gave them homes, social contribution to food, rent, clothing, cell phones, etc, And WHAT DO THE ASYLANTS DO? They are KILLING US without remorse or regret. Muslims are not grateful for asylum, home, social contribution to food, rent, clothing, mobile phones, or whatever we give them. For them this is emigration to Europe by lying that they are a refugees. MUSLIMS NEVER SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE IN THEIR EYES WE ARE SUBORDINATE TO THEM. Our duty is to give them what they want, because we are their slaves. You can all see that the real refugees still are in camps in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen. They don’t have the money to go to Europe. What the hell are all North Africans doing here in Europe? Oh yes, Europe’s largest country GERMANY INVITED THEM by Angela Merkel. I personally think that Donald Trump must make a statement that he is NO MERKELIST.

    2) Pope and other Muslim- embracers don’t know that the present Koran in all book shops is the one the Muslims first compiled. And they just took the longer chapters first and the shorter chapter last in that first amplified Koran as well as in the Korans sold today. That means that the Muslims never have amplified a Koran where the verses are in chronological order, They have never printed a Koran with the oldest verses first and the newest verses last. That is important because Muhammad first was a religious leader in Mecca, but a political and violent military leader in Medina . Ppeople around Muhammad actually complained that the number of contradictory verses were increasing. Muhammad solved the situation by introducing a new verse which now is in surah 16, verse 103-104, where Allah says that the the latter verse applies and the earlier verse is canceled for ever. This is important. Muhammad first was a religious leader in Mecca. All the verses about tolerance towards non-Muslims are from Muhammad’s time in Mecca. All the verses of murder, decapitation, torture and mutilation originates from Muhammad’s time in Medina, and THE MEDINA KORAN IS THE TRUE KORAN IF SOMETHING GOOD FROM THE MECCA KORAN SAYS AGAINST THE BAD IN THE MEDINA KORAN. The verse 16: 103-104 abolish the 124 verses about tolerance and patience is the SWORD-VERSE which makes the MEDINA KORAN TO THE RIGHT KORAN FOR ALL MUSLIMS, and the Mecca-Koran to a relatively unimportant appendage. ALL MUSLIMS know that, not only so called jihadists. You can find CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER OF THE KORAN here: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Qur%27an.

    3) Some of us have sometimes been reflecting over what Christianity had become without Paulus and church leaders as Augustinus, etc. Our Christianity is maybe Paulianity, since Paulus is the one who has written most text and interpret Jesus in New Testament. Thanks to Enlightenment we in West are allowed to speculate and come up with theories without being killed or executed for that. Since the The Koran is one of the worst written books in history, Muslims have built up enormous volumes of interpretations to understand their holy Koran. Since they never have had something similar to Enlightenment, they can only keep on as Muhammad told them 1400 years ago. The most famous collector and interpreter of what Muhammad wanted (Hadiths) is Bukhari, who has written numerous volumes describing the words, actions, or habits of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.So is Islam actually Bukharism or hadithism? Anyway, HADITHS, is the worlds worst collection of hate and abominations. The Muslim Sunna is a) kill the Jews, kill the Jews, kill the Jews (Hitler and Himmler really liked Islam), b) kill the Christians or make them to slaves, c) kill the infidels (members of all other religions, d) make the Muslim women to the Muslim men’s toys and slaves.

    4) The main plan for Muslims is to grow in number in UK and USA (the two countries they have most conspiracy theories about). After some 500 years they will rule in Europe and North America. Then they can nuclear bomb China and then destroy our planet. Then it’s finally the Judgment Day when the great Mahdi comes.

    • no_one says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 1:51 am

      I don’t think the world has another 500 years. Judgement day may be much sooner. There have been writings from some holy men. No one knows the exact time, but it would either this generation or the next.

      • Peter Ahlskog says

        Dec 22, 2016 at 5:36 am

        500 years was only symbolic or figurative from me.

        However, I have noticed that “about” 600 years between arrivals of the religious big prophets or big false prophets in human history:

        4200 BC Gaea
        3600 BC ?
        3000 BC Manu
        2400 BC Zarathustra (Zoroaster)
        1800 BC Abraham
        1200 BC Echnaton, Moses
        600 BC Buddha, Mahavira, Lao-Tse
        1 Jeshua
        600 Mazdak, Muhammad
        1200 Returned Jesus, jailed and killed by the Catholic Church
        1800 Bahá’u’lláh

  32. More Ham Ed says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 4:27 am

    There is NOTHING in the unholy ko ‘ran that teaches that the “violent verses” are not for current day followers. In fact the unholy ko ‘ran teaches quite the opposite: ‘religion’ by force.

  33. Marty says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 5:36 am

    “Islamic jihad terror attacks have nothing to do with religion”
    It’s purely coincidental that they are 100% mohammedan & shout
    “allah akbar” at every opportunity.
    By the same reasoning the SS were all Jews & Pol Pot
    loved the educated bourgeoisie

  34. Ismael Jose gomezmayora says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 7:24 am

    The pope must read the coran.

    The catholic people must know islam is not a RELIGION OF PEACE.
    Mahoma is not a prophet.
    The commandment of mahoma is to exterminate the catholic or christian Church.
    The islam is an ANTICHRIST.
    Islam is a factory of murderers.
    This the truth about islam
    The POPE Benedict XVI is the POPE who knows islam/

    Fr. Ismael,,,

  35. Chris Malan says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:35 am

    What can one expect from an organisation which top male office holders are often seen in public in drag?

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 21, 2016 at 9:39 am

      What an asinine remark. Clerical robes are not ‘drag’.

      This is a forum for intelligent people, with something intelligent to say.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 22, 2016 at 4:42 am

      This is just silly. Many Catholics have staunchly opposed the threat of Islam for hundreds of years–Catholic clerics wearing robes is not “drag”.

  36. c matt says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:39 am

    maybe he’s right, maybe the Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with religion because Islam is not a religion. It is a delusional totalitarian political cult. What else could the good Bishop have meant?

  37. Edward DelaHoussaye says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    The Pope we have now is sickening,he is the worst we have had in way over a 100yrs,this Pope needs to open his eyes,Francis takes the shape an a way more Liberal then Obama or Hillary Clinton,we need a very strong conservative Pope now more then ever,one that teaches the Catholic Faith with no apologies,that should be prayers on the lips of every Catholic,the sooner we get a good Pope the better we are,God has given us this Pope to show us what kind of good Pope we need.

  38. RL Robison says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Someday Bishop Nunzio Galantino and Pope Francis will have to stand before GOD and be judged for the danger they are stupidly visiting upon the Church and her people.

  39. Anthony Massa says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    Islam is not a religion…it is a terrorist political movement. It pretends to be a religion…but it is only a pretense.

  40. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    He’s right – in that islam itself was and is motivated by Muhammad’s desires for everyone else’s money, possessions, and obedience, in order to control his own fears of them.

  41. gravenimage says

    Dec 22, 2016 at 4:19 am

    Top Italian bishop: Islamic jihad terror attacks have nothing to do with religion
    ………………………

    Except for Islam, of course…

  42. Peter Ahlskog says

    Dec 22, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    Top Italian bishop: Islamic jihad terror attacks have nothing to do with religion…..

    Well he is right if we finally can admit that there is no religion called Islam! Islam is an ideology. An political and social ideology with close ties to Fascism, Nazism, and the DDR version of Police state./ Control society where everyone can tell on everyone by picking up the cellphone and dial Big Brother.

    I have met God sincerely believing people who are Muslims. They are mostly older women and nice God-fearing people. Much like fervently Christian grandmothers. No one has told these few individuals that Islam is fictional dung invented to satisfy Muhammad and his legacy. These poor ladies should get more spirituality and be closer to God by converting to any other religion.

  43. Ken says

    Dec 24, 2016 at 1:09 am

    The Roman Catholic Church has a problem. A while back one of their vicars of christ an infallible king of heaven, earth and under the earth said that Muslims worship the same god as they do, so now they’re stuck with it. In reality I guess they do, but it isn’t the God of the Bible. Isalm, and Roman Catholicism are just two whore daughters of the Mother of Whores, Babylon.

    Catechism of the Catholic Church #841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

    • IQ al Rassooli says

      Dec 24, 2016 at 4:34 am

      Dear Ken

      “Catechism of the Catholic Church #841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

      $100,000 says that it would be OBVIOUS to any rational thinking person who has STUDIED Muhammad’s Quran would come to the very simple following conclusions:

      1. Allah is most certainly NOT the same as the God of Jesus Moses and Abraham; the God of the Bible

      2. Allah is the voice over of Muhammad the VENTRILOQUIST

      3. Therefore Allah is actually Muhammad pretending to be Allah

      4. Hence Islam is NOT the religion of Abraham but a CULT belief system; the CULT of Muhammad

      5. The above TRUTHS utterly discredit Muhammad as a prophet and the alleged divine origin of his Quran

      6. Concluding that Muhammad’s Quran is the same as Hitler’s Mein Kampf; a Road Map to Total WAR

      Any Muslim challengers willing to lose $100,000?

      IQ al Rassooli
      Kafir & Proud!

      • Ken says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 1:55 am

        I couldn’t have said it better myself fellow Kafir. And that goes for the Roman Catholic Church as well. If you can’t follow basic instructions like “do not call (give title or surname) anyone on earth your father, for one is your Father, He Who is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:9). Then they ain’t it.

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