“There are politicians who are twisting and abusing religion and different strains of the same religion in order to further their own political objectives.”
And what makes Boris Johnson think that he knows more about Islam than the custodians of the Kingdom of the Two Holy Places? This is a malady that is epidemic among Western politicians and other public figures: non-Muslims including John Kerry, David Cameron, Pope Francis, and a multitude of others, down to fatuous judges lecturing convicted jihadis about how they’re misunderstanding their religion, all think that they know that Islam is a Religion of Peace that has been hijacked by a tiny minority of “extremists,” and they are determined to lecture those “extremists” on the true, peaceful Islam.
Boris Johnson cannot admit that the Saudi politicians he is criticizing for twisting and abusing Islam actually know much more about Islam than he does, because that would be tantamount to admitting that the entire immigration and counterterror policies of Britain (and the U.S.) is based on fiction and fantasy. The political elites will never admit that, no matter how bad things get.
“Boris Johnson lays into Saudi Arabia and accuses Kingdom of ‘abusing Islam’ in shock rant,” by Aletha Adu, Express, December 8, 2016:
BORIS Johnson risked an international crisis after an extraordinary tirade against Saudi Arabia just days before he visits the Middle East.
The Foreign Secretary savagely slammed the Arabian state last week, claiming the Kingdom had abused Islamic faith in order to “further their own political objectives”.
Speaking to leaders at the Med 2 conference in Rome last week, he sternly stressed that Saudi Arabia’s behaviour was a “tragedy”, accusing them of “pulling strings” in proxy wars.
He said: “There are politicians who are twisting and abusing religion and different strains of the same religion in order to further their own political objectives.
“That’s one of the biggest political problems in the whole region.
“And the tragedy for me – and that’s why you have these proxy wars being fought the whole time in that area – is that there is not strong enough leadership in the countries themselves.”
British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson addresses the press after a meeting with the French Minister of Foreign Affairs Jean-Marc Ayrault at Quai d’Orsay on July 28, 2016 in Paris, France
In a direct attack, he turned his attack towards Iran, as he added: “That’s why you’ve got the Saudis, Iran, everybody, moving in and puppeteering and playing proxy wars.”
According to longstanding Foreign Office convention, Foreign Office ministers should not – in any circumstance – criticise Britain’s allies in public….

Mac-101 says
So are Blonds really stupider? LOL!
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I wonder if the West will tire of the Islamist Terrorist and the ME will turn to China?
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Kinda falls in with the Dragon attacking Israel.
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Of course my money is on the Chi-Coms for controlling everything afterwards. They seem to have a knack at controlling people, especially Wiggers. Is that a correct name for Chinese Muslims?
eduardo odraude says
The Chinese government also arrests members of religious groups and kills them for their organs, a very lucrative business — especially Falon Gong, and also “House Christians” are murdered. (House Christians operate independently of the Communist-controlled official Catholic Church in China.)
http://www.humanharvestmovie.com/
Try not to buy Chinese products until the Chinese government becomes democratic. Democracy and a free press is the only way to significantly reduce monstrous crimes like organ harvesting for profit.
Mac-101 says
As I understand it, every time a Western Chinese Muslim commits an act of terror the Chi-Coms kill 10 Fundamental Muslims for every Hun Chinese killed. Then they go after the Inman and level their mosque. THEN they rebuild the Mosque and put their man in charge. Muslims understand dat!
Paul says
The dragon is not China. The dragon is metaphorical for satan.
All of the Biblical references for the actual abode of satan are
in modern day Turkey (Pergamus, Meshech and Tubal etc.) who
presides over the revival of an extinct empire and from whose mouth
waters flow (‘waters’ always signifying people) as he wages war on
God’s people. Isn’t this exactly what we are seeing now with Turkey’s
role in the refugee ‘crisis’, its funding of ISIS and the attempts to
blackmail Europe?
gravenimage says
Actually, China has been involved in its own appeasement and dhimmitude.
The same is true of Russia.
The idea that undemocratic states are much tougher on Islam and hence have no problem with Jihad simply is not borne out.
Mac-101 says
Graven Image. Yes Red China bends over backwards to accommodate Muslims in their country compared what they tolerate of others. However, once they cross the line they are extremely brutal to them… About 5 years ago the Chi-Coms decapitated about 300 Fundamental Muslims when the Muslims killed 30 Hun Chinese. Leveled the Mosque and then rebuilt new ones under their supervision.
gravenimage says
About 5 years ago the Chi-Coms decapitated about 300 Fundamental Muslims
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I’ve never heard of this story. Citations, please, Mac.
Mac-101 says
Intel talk from field agents in Afghanistan.
Mac-101 says
A quick search on the internet didn’t show any. However there was a story by CNN I believe, about the Chi-Coms using flame throwers roasting 28 Terrorist out of a coal mine and many others about Terrorism from 2010. One Uighur site claimed millions have died from the mid 1800s to today.
eduardo odraude says
The Chinese government is a criminal organization, so no doubt it crushes any group that shows the slightest independence, including Islam, and then substitutes Chinese communists as leaders of that group.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reply, Mac.
Mac-101 says
Graven Image, There had been talk about the Muslim/Chi-Com terrorism since the 1970s in the US Army in SF. I never got into it that much and it was a long time ago. But the US Army used to put out that Joe Stalin killed over 10 Million Muslims, even more than Ukrainians. One example is some large valley in one of the Stans. The Soviets marched hundreds of thousands of Muslims to be relocated then sealed off the valley and starved them ALL to death. I remember seeing a picture taken in the 1960s or 70’s and it showed the valley floor was still littered with bones.
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The Chi-Coms took a different approach, one used many times by the NAZIs and the Romans before them. They just did a ten for one retribution against the local population. Of course if that population was unneeded then it was just completely eradicated.
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Also the NAZIs and the Red Chinese use the carrot in addition to the stick. Supposedly some of the most loyal Chinese Border troops are those Muslims who guard the Western Chinese border! If the Chinese Muslims support the Chi-Coms they are given additional benefits that the other Chinese do NOT get!
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One other thing the Army put out during Viet Nam was that the Sea of China was floating on oil. This appears to be coming true in todays geo-politics.
gravenimage says
Totalitarian creeds are rarely really philosophically opposed to each other–they just see these other thugs as rivals.
Hector Archytas says
Look like a good way to prevent islamization. Block the breeeding jihad by birth quota and execute islamist. Democracy is a door to islam. China is right.
We need a strong government in france to survive.
eduardo odraude says
great, so you’ll substitute fascism or communism for Islamic sharia? That’s like eating pig sh-t instead of horse sh-t. or elephant sh-t. Good luck with that.
A Harris USA says
Hector, you have a point!!! China is not opening the door to rapeugees from the ME. They do not want the pigs pushing a different agenda than the Chi-coms.
Old Boris here looks like he has been pulling his hair out!!! LMAO!! Maybe a few too many pints as well!!! Fact is Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other branch of Islam is just the same horse with a different saddle….ALL EVIL!!
gravenimage says
Hector Archytas wrote:
Look like a good way to prevent islamization. Block the breeeding jihad by birth quota
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Hector, you do realize that most Muslims in China were *exempt* from the “One Child Policy”, don’t you?
I agree with Eduardo–not only do we not want to embrace totalitarianism on ethical grounds, but the idea that Russia and China are “tough on Islam” and hence have no problems with Jihad violence is entirely mistaken.
If we just began consistently enforcing our own civilized laws here in the West, the threat of Islam would soon end.
GrahamTurner says
Boris,
you should take more notice of history. I draw your attention to the following quotations.
Winston Churchill on Islam
“how dreadful are the curses that Islam lays on its votaries
it is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog Compare this with
Adolf Hitler on Islam.
· It has been our misfortune to have the wrong religion – Christianity with all its weakness and flabbiness. Islam would have been more compatible to us than Christianity
a long-suffering British patriot
eduardo odraude says
Many of the people who say the jihadists and sharia pushers are “twisting” Islam know the statement is false, but they have essentially surrendered to Islam either for reasons of expedience, or else for reasons of misguided strategy. If for expedience, then they want to avoid being vilified by the left and murdered by Muslims. If for reasons of strategy, then they misguidedly think that Islam itself cannot be contained and reduced in the non-Muslim world, and that the best that can be done is to try to 1) strengthen the “moderate” Muslims who don’t know their own core texts and are not that religious, and 2) at the same time suppress the Muslims who know their own core texts and the life of Muhammad and accordingly seek to use stealth and military jihad to spread Sharia law over the whole globe.
Useful site for Islam critics: http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com
gravenimage says
Boris Johnson has actually been pretty outspoken against violent Jihad. I think this is more likely to be ignorance than appeasement.
ClaraC says
he is not that stupid… it’s sheer appeasement…
gravenimage says
If he wanted to appease Muslims, why would Johnson speak out against Jihad at all?
“Boris Johnson calls for ‘guilty until proven innocent’ for suspected terrorists”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/25/boris-johnson-britons-visiting-iraq-syria-presumed-terrorists
He is actually very solidly Anti-Jihad–it is just that, like a lot of Westerners, he doesn’t know much about Islam itself.
bouboulina says
I read quite a few years ago in the UK Spectator that one of Boris Johnson’s grandfathers is/was Turkish (& I presumed at the time that meant that the latter was Muslim). Besides that, as a repeat Mayor of London he assuredly was fully familiar with the different permutations of Islam practiced by that city’s huge Muslim population.
maghan says
Another reason too is that most people just cannot believe that Islam is a nonsensical set of criminal beliefs is that it claims to be a RELIGION and that its adherents PRAY. Quite obviously Boris Johnson has fallen for the same mantra that “Islam is all about peace and ISIS and Arabia abuse the REAL Islam”. Blatant and irresponsible stupidity here. But the bigger question is why is Arabia an ALLY of Britain? Arabia: a vast sand lot of camels, goats and wrapped up slave-women has been superficially transformed by Standard Oil–but still “plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”.
But the issue is this: is international politics based purely on considerations of REALPOLITIK or should there be moral considerations? The liberal West hypocritically postures that moral considerations form the basis for international political relations. That’s a blatant lie–because Arabia would have been considered the most vile and immoral nation on earth, and would have no allies except other vile Islamic nations.
Well, the Aztecs had a religion that recommended “plucking beating hearts from living victims”. Maybe some naive fools believe that’s OK–because it’s a religious practice.
Anne Smith says
Actually Boris was not so far off the beam. Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting a proxy war and both represent different strains of Islam, all equally ghastly.
Iran fought Iraq for years in a vicious war between Sunni (Iraq, led by Saddam Hussein) and Shia (Iran) and Saddam was supplied with arms and weapons by the Americans who were fighting a proxy war against Iran by using Iraq as their puppets.
Nothing new under the sun.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, both Sunni and Shia Islam are hideously vicious, and follow the same basic texts and tenets of Islam, and the same foul “Prophet”.
GrahamTurner says
Boris,
you should take more notice of history. I draw your attention to the following quotations.
Winston Churchill on Islam
“how dreadful are the curses that Islam lays on its votaries
it is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog Compare this with
Adolf Hitler on Islam.
· It has been our misfortune to have the wrong religion – Christianity with all its weakness and flabbiness. Islam would have been more compatible to us than Christianity
a long-suffering British patriot
Custos Custodum says
Boris Johnson’s great-grandfather was the last grand vizier of Ottoman Turkey. He was beheaded by Kemalists.
gravenimage says
Not quite, Custos. Here’s the story, which is fairly well known in Britain:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/new-stories/boris-johnson/how-we-did-it_1.shtml
PRCS says
Took the flag with him.
http://tinyurl.com/jlodju9
t. says
It’s not only Boris Johnson or other western politicians and academics exhibiting this kind of arrogance regarding their supposed knowledge about Islam, but many, many regular citizens, I see and talk to everyday, that have the same mindset and deep belief that all this sh*t caused by Muslims, around the world, is not the real Islam!
I think it’s safe to say that this indicates a deep flaw in the thinking process emanating from a global system of beliefs, the majority of westerners ascribed to, which replaced the old traditional Judaeo Christian belief system and which will ultimately cause their downfall.
Wellington says
I have had the same experience with many ordinary citizens. Just last month, right before the Presidential election, I tried to explain to a man that Islam is not just another religion and gave him details to back up my assertion. After my saying that if Hillary is elected President she would let in millions of Muslims on top of all those Obama (and Bush) let in, he stormed off yelling at me saying that Christians have committed atrocities too. In my final reply to him I said that when Christians killed in the name of their faith they were violating the tenets of their religion, contra Muslims. Didn’t matter. He already had made up his mind, a mind quite deficient where a proper knowledge of Islam and Christianity are concerned.
Lots of other regular folks out there like him. Lots. But this will not dissuade me from continuing to convey the truth about Islam to others. A la Martin Luther at Worms in 1521, I can do no other.
eduardo odraude says
Hi Wellington,
We in the Islam-critical camp might do well to pay as much attention to methods of persuasion as we do to the history and doctrines of Islam and the life of Muhammad. The need of masterly methods of persuasion is all the more the case given the kind of biased obtuseness we are up against. This is not necessarily directed at you personally, as for all I know you are already an expert at persuasion. Anyway, a good site to learn the most effective methods of persuasion with respect to Islam: http://www.citizenwarrior.com.
Wellington says
Thanks for that link, eduardo. I concur that the way one argues is as important as the argument itself. The way I have on more than one occasion expressed it here at JW over the years is that it is not enough to be right, one also has to know how to be right.
Still, and you may have experienced this too, some folks are just deuce difficult to convey most anything to (usually a leftist), and of course this can try one’s patience at times. It has for me on occasion but, and pursuant to the article you provided the link to, I have tried to perfect the way I convey information about Islam to others but there’s always room for improvement.
Take care, pal. Good to read your posts here at JW. And Merry Christmas and all that.
gravenimage says
I always think it is important to be both polite and extremely rational when trying to educate about the threat of Jihad–always have plenty of facts to back up what you have to say. But when dealing with those deep in denial, it can be an uphill battle.
The one thing that does hearten me is that even if the person you are speaking with does not show it, that you may have given him something to think about.
eduardo odraude says
Wellington, agreed. And part of the art of persuasion is detecting quickly who can never be persuaded, and not wasting any time on that person. Again, citizenwarrior.com has some articles on being selective about who you talk to.
gravenimage, I agree with you too — sometimes the people who resist most, do so because they are actually taking in what you say the most deeply. They may come around eventually and become firm allies. Conversely, the people who accept the message immediately may take it in only skin deep and flip in the other direction later at the slightest counterevidence.
gravenimage says
It *can* happen, Eduardo. When I was young, I assumed that Islam was just another religion, and an “Abrahamic” one at that. It was only after observing it for long enough that I came to suspect that there was something intrinsically wrong with it, and began to really study it after 9/11.
t. says
“But this will not dissuade me from continuing to convey the truth about Islam to others”
One particular experience I had, talking to a man, a native westerner, about Islam, a few months ago, ended the same way yours ended, as explained in your above comment.
I met him on the street, he was on his bicycle and I was walking. As he stopped to do something, near me, we struck up a conversation about general subjects. He seemed to be a promising target for my waning about Islam’s threat to our values and freedoms, especially after he mentioned to me that he reads a lot, he read the whole bible and a lot of philosophy books.
After discussing Islam, for about twenty minutes during which we seemed to be getting in circles, he stormed away on his bicycle angrily even though I was especially calm that day. Despite the fact that he was not a Muslim, one aught to have been there to see how emotional about his deep conviction that Islam is just like any other religion, which teaches love and peace for all people regardless of their beliefs!
Sometimes after talking to such people, I feel like saying, inside my head, “f*ck it, I don’t care any more” then quickly I say to myself that I will continue to do my part, no matter how much stupidity I might encounter, something similar to the part of your comment I quoted above.
Bill says
This is exactly the sort of “arrogance of the West” that drives Islamists crazy. The lefities do not get it. It is the lefties who believe that that “they know best” , “they understand Islam”, “that decry “insufficient efforts to integrate Moslems into Wester Society” that are the problem. I do not like the arrogance myself, but I can see why Islamists would dislike it more.
eduardo odraude says
Many people genuinely believe Islam is a religion of peace because when they watch the public debate, for the most part only one side of the debate is represented, the side that says Islam is a religion of peace that has been hijacked. Why is only one side represented? Because if you represent the other side publicly — that Islam is an expansionist totalitarian system — you will be vilified by the Left, perhaps lose your job, in Europe you might be prosecuted, and you have to worry about being killed by Muslims if there are many in your vicinity or if they can reach you. So bystanders watch the debate and, because of the self-censorship going on in the public arena, people watching often don’t realize that only one side is being represented. They think the whole picture is being given them, and naturally they conclude that Islam is just another religion of peace, since for the most part only anonymous coo coos on the internet criticize Islam. The public critics of Islam can easily be dismissed by too many, on the assumption that if there are so few of them, they must be fringe wackos, right? Unfortunately, they are not. They are better informed than their opponents and many Muslims about the core Islamic texts’ representation of the life of Muhammad.
Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
LINK: Page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:
Quoting Islam
Christianblood says
Boris Johnson is a clueless bombastic fool!
Angemon says
No copy/paste, cookie-cutter rant about the West hating Christians, loving islam and being in bed with the Saudis? I’m genuinely surprised…
gravenimage says
Not really–Boris Johnson has actually been staunch against the threat of Jihad, which he very much grasps:
“London should be ‘very concerned’ about terror threat: Boris Johnson says security services are monitoring thousands of Islamic extremists who pose risk to public”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2788868/london-concerned-terror-threat-boris-johnson-claims-security-services-monitoring-thousands-islamic-extremists.html
“Boris Johnson: Nice attack represents continuing threat to Europe”
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/boris-johnson-nice-attack-represents-continuing-threat-europe/
“Boris Johnson says Brexit could help tackle terrorism”
http://www.newstalk.com/Boris-Johnson-says-Brexit-could-help-tackle-terrorism
There are many more such stories.
That “Christianblood” would dismiss an anti-Jihadist who is just in need of more background information as another “clueless fool” tells you more about this poster than it does about Johnson himself.
John Hawk says
Twisting and abusing Islam? Where is this pristine Islam such nonsense implies, if not residing in the Islamic State, that bastion of goodness and compassion, filled with sweetness and light?
Islam is all about coercion and subjugation, rape and murder. Twisted, yes, but not due to any twisting or abuse inflicted by its followers of latter days. Islam was foul and despicable right out of the gate, thanks to the psychotic Allah and his corrupt and morally bankrupt “messenger” Muhammad.
eduardo odraude says
Here’s a superb video by the brilliant David Wood:
gravenimage says
Yes–a fine video from David Wood!
I would urge anyone not familiar with his good work to check out this video.
Michael Copeland says
“…what makes Boris Johnson think that he knows more about Islam…?”
Maybe this is a clue:
“We have people can go to”, explained a UK legislator.
Parliament is helpfully provided with “people we can go to”. These will not be people like Mr. Spencer, or Mrs. Geller. No, these people are, by inference, the suppliers of the line about how Islam is persistently “twisted, hi-jacked, perverted, misunderstood” and so on.
jayell says
Saudi Arabia ‘twisting and abusing islam’? I thought that it was Islam that was ‘twisting and abusing’ Saudi Arabia, along with everything else that it contaminates.
davej says
Give them a copy of Glen Beck’s book “It IS about Islam”. A very accessible introduction to the real Islam, it pulls no punches. Just the 15 page introduction is enough to destroy the whole “hijacked religion” argument.
JawsV says
I read Beck’s book. It’s very good. Boris Johnson is a moron.
dsinc says
Glen Beck taking money from Hillary and his pathological meltdown over Trump winning has put me off him for ever. He is a fool.
mortimer says
Grand Imam Boris Johnson knows more about Islam than the PhDs at Islam’s top universities who have spent their entire lives studying Islam.
So there.
mortimer says
Message to Boris Johnson: WHAT IS IT THAT A SUPREMACIST WANTS? WHY IS A WELL-MANNERED SUPREMACIST MORE DANGEROUS THAN A THUG?
If Boris can answer those two questions correctly, he will know why his statements were wrong.
salim says
[And what makes Boris Johnson think that he knows more about Islam than the custodians of the Kingdom of the Two Holy Places?]
Actually, I think Boris knows about Islam more than the king, who got the lowest IQ since homo erectus.
Angemon says
Ha ha, Boris should try stand up comedy – I bet jokes such as the ones he’s making would make devout muslims laugh their asses off. Inside, there is – there’s no fun in islam and openly laughing like that would be a dogwhistle for their more devout coreligionists that they were fair game.
Angemon says
Also, I wish these people made up their minds – one day I hear someone telling me islamic terrorism has nothing to do with islam, even though islamic terrorists quote extensively from islamic sources to make sure I know they have everything to do with islam, some other day I hear someone telling me that islamic terrorists are “twisting” and “hijacking” islam to use it to justify other ends, even though these other ends are never explained and islamic terrorists flat out say they’re acting in accordance with islamic tenets.
Champ says
His hairdo matches his wrongheaded ideas …
And Boris is a dangerous man for attempting to cover for evil islam — for shame!
Sam says
“UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson accuses Saudi Arabia of “twisting and abusing” Islam”
These people can obtain such important and critical positions in government and can make such stupid statements. Incredible. “Abusing Islam” How can Islam be abused is beyond me.
gravenimage says
UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson accuses Saudi Arabia of “twisting and abusing” Islam
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Well, this is deeply disappointing. Boris Johnson has been pretty staunchly anti-Jihad, and I had hoped that he would have been named PM instead of the appalling Jihad-enabling Theresa May. I still stand by that, even so. That even he is so ignorant as to the true nature of Islam and its threat to Britain is quite depressing.
Dacritic says
I’m just damn tired of hearing people telling me, “Not all Muslims are the same. Not all Muslims are violent. It’s unfair to tag all Muslims when only a handful are involved with jihad.”
Yes, yes. Nobody’s saying all Muslims are jihadists. That’s really getting old. We’re just saying the QURAN and ISLAM commands violent jihad. That is all. PRESCRIPTIVE.
Is that so bloody hard to understand?
old white guy says
All one needs to know about islam can be found in the koran.
eduardo odraude says
I find that often the canonical hadith and the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, more than the Qur’an, give an immediate grasp of what we are dealing with:
Quoting Islam
Gordon Miller says
People here and abroad have gotten into the habit of using the phrase “radical Islamic terrorism” to describe what is going on in the world today. That term is even politically correct notwithstanding our soon-to-be ex-president (thank god) and the recent democrat choice for the office will not utter it.
But I beg to I differ with those using that phrase. I’m more likely to call the jihadis “devout Muslims.” The former term is pleonastic. Why not just say “Islamists”? Don’t use more words than is necessary, I was taught some years ago.
I also hear that the the worrisome Muslims are just the tip of a pyramid of nice people. No, that’s putting it almost upside down. The nice people are at the upper third of the pyramid (I’m being generous). The rest are worrisome.