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UK Muslim held teen girl as sex slave for 13 years, sold her four children

Dec 28, 2016 9:18 pm By Robert Spencer

There are so very many stories like this one in Britain, and there will be more, because the seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have paid their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses of those whom Allah has given you as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general. The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or whom their right hands possess, for they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)

The rape of captive women is also sanctioned in Islamic tradition:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. (Sahih Muslim 3371)

It is also in Islamic law: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” (Umdat al-Salik O9.13)

The Egyptian Sheikh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni declared in May 2011 that “we are in the era of jihad,” and that meant Muslims would take slaves. In a subsequent interview he elaborated:

Jihad is only between Muslims and infidels. Spoils, slaves, and prisoners are only to be taken in war between Muslims and infidels. Muslims in the past conquered, invaded, and took over countries. This is agreed to by all scholars—there is no disagreement on this from any of them, from the smallest to the largest, on the issue of taking spoils and prisoners. The prisoners and spoils are distributed among the fighters, which includes men, women, children, wealth, and so on.

When a slave market is erected, which is a market in which are sold slaves and sex-slaves, which are called in the Qur’an by the name milk al-yamin, “that which your right hands possess” [Koran 4:24]. This is a verse from the Qur’an which is still in force, and has not been abrogated. The milk al-yamin are the sex-slaves. You go to the market, look at the sex-slave, and buy her. She becomes like your wife, (but) she doesn’t need a (marriage) contract or a divorce like a free woman, nor does she need a wali. All scholars agree on this point—there is no disagreement from any of them. […] When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her.

Around the same time, on May 25, 2011, a female Kuwaiti politician, Salwa al-Mutairi, also spoke out in favor of the Islamic practice of sexual slavery of non-Muslim women, emphasizing that the practice accorded with Islamic law and the parameters of Islamic morality.

A merchant told me that he would like to have a sex slave. He said he would not be negligent with her, and that Islam permitted this sort of thing. He was speaking the truth. I brought up [this man’s] situation to the muftis in Mecca. I told them that I had a question, since they were men who specialized in what was halal, and what was good, and who loved women. I said, “What is the law of sex slaves?”

The mufti said, “With the law of sex slaves, there must be a Muslim nation at war with a Christian nation, or a nation which is not of the religion, not of the religion of Islam. And there must be prisoners of war.”

“Is this forbidden by Islam?” I asked.

“Absolutely not. Sex slaves are not forbidden by Islam. On the contrary, sex slaves are under a different law than the free woman. The free woman must be completely covered except for her face and hands. But the sex slave can be naked from the waist up. She differs a lot from the free woman. While the free woman requires a marriage contract, the sex slave does not—she only needs to be purchased by her husband, and that’s it. Therefore the sex slave is different than the free woman.”

Iraqi Ayatollah Al-Haeri said in April 7, 2016 that a man could offer slave girls to a friend for sex.

The savage exploitation of girls and young women is, unfortunately, a cross-cultural phenomenon, but only in Islamic law does it carry divine sanction. And here again in this case, authorities were reluctant to act because they did not want to appear “racist.” This is the shame of modern Britain. The Leftist agitators who have cowed and intimidated people into thinking it “racist” to stand up against this sort of behavior bear the responsibility for the catastrophe that has come upon their nation.

“‘I was raped nightly for 13 years’: British sex slave says she was held captive by Asian cabbie rapist who sold her four children,” by James Dunn, Mailonline, December 28, 2016 (thanks to John):

A British sex slave has told the horrific story of how she was abducted at 15 by an Asian taxi driver as a vulnerable teen and endured 13 years of horrendous abuse.

Anna Ruston claims that her captor raped her repeatedly, prostituted her out to other men, and ‘sold’ the four babies she had during the terrible ordeal.

She was forced to go to the toilet in a can in the corner of the room, and is still haunted by the smell of it and the odour of garlic on her captor.

During the 13 years of abuse, she said she lived with taxi driver ‘Malik’ and his mother, his brothers and their wives, but no-one did anything to help her.

The wives, who she claims were also being abused, would cover up the bruises around her eyes with make-up and occasionally give her painkillers.

‘I can still see that bedroom, the corner where I would rock in pain. Although after a while I stopped feeling pain, I think my body shut down,’ she told The Mirror….

And worryingly, Miss Ruston, whose name has been altered for her safety, says it ‘could be happening on any street’ in the UK.’

As a vulnerable teen, living with a friend after her grandmother died and her parents would not support her, Malik knew no-one would miss her, she claims.

In her new book Secret Slave, which she was advised to write for her own therapy, she explains how, with no close family, she latched on to his affection.

He paid her attention and invited her to his home, where she enjoyed milky tea and chapattis and was welcomed by his family.

But he suddenly turned on her with sickening ferocity, calling her a ‘white s***’, raping her then locking the door, which he repeated almost every night for 13 years.

She explained how she was overjoyed when she first fell pregnant, writing ‘When you feel a baby move in your stomach you feel you have someone with you, you are not alone.’

He would stop beating her during pregnancy, but the hope of having a child quickly faded when he quickly took her first son away. She barely got to hold any of her babies and fears that he ‘sold them’, she claims.

Miss Ruston also explains how she felt ‘let down’ by the authorities, who she claims were afraid to help her for fear of being accused of discrimination.

The claim has concerning echoes of the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal, in which authorities repeatedly failed to address warning signs about Asian sex gangs due to similar concerns.

Anna said: ‘Malik dressed me in his culture’s clothes, dyed my hair black, made me wear a scarf and keep my head down. When he spoke for me they thought it was a cultural thing. And I think people are scared to be accused of ­discrimination.’…

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  1. gravenimage says

    Dec 28, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    UK Muslim held teen girl as sex slave for 13 years, sold her four children
    ……………………..

    This *poor girl*. I wonder if her children have been rescued? No mention of them…

    God, I hate Islam.

    • Peggy says

      Dec 28, 2016 at 11:41 pm

      I doubt anyone even knows where they are because they were sold and to ask this maggot who to it would be racist.
      I really don’t believe that the authorities didn’t act because of appearing racist. Then they wouldn’t act on anything if a non white person or a non Muslim committed the same or similar crime.
      I believe that law enforcement has been ordered to stand down by higher authorities. Going after a criminal is not racist under any circumstances so I really do believe that our governments are allowing this and even encouraging it by way of letting Muslims know that they are above the law in order to subdue us.
      We have to be broken in order for NWO to work as they want it.

      After every terror attack no matter where we are the ones who are told to back off and not even discuss it or we will be considered to be racist.
      How much longer we are going to put up with this is anyone’s guess but I do believe we are under attack and not just by Muslims. Muslims are only foot soldiers.

      • Anne Smith says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 4:58 am

        A few years ago I would have said your theory was rubbish. Now I am not so sure.

        I heard this poor girl being interviewed on Radio 4 this morning. It was absolutely horrific, and even more so when you think that it is probably being repeated all over Britain in Muslim areas and our police and social workers (useless as they are) can do nothing to prevent this happening.

        It was even more worrying that this girl was in hospital several times but could not tell anyone of her imprisonment, members of the family were present all the time to prevent her speaking out. She was eventually rescued by a Health Visitor but why do we have all these welfare measures in place ,( hospitals, the NHS, social workers, baby visiting officers,) and yet remain powerless in the face of this blatant evil?

        Churchill was absolutely right when he wrote that as long as Islam exists so will slavery. We heard the proof of this today on the BBC’s Today programme.

        I do not think Theresa May’s Modern Anti Slavery window dressing Act will do anything to stop the Muslim’s preferred way of life.

        • BlueRaven says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 9:12 am

          Wow… Britain has sunk so far deep into the Islamic gutter? Need to belt up and clean the swamp.

      • Marty says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 5:10 am

        Peggy, I think you’re right.
        Islam to the NWE is what illiterate Nazi thugs were to the German expansionist
        empire, supported initially by the US & plenty of fascist inclined Brits.
        Mohammedans are mainly too dimwitted & thuggishly greedy to achieve
        anything in the science dominated modern world.
        To the shame of all Westerners, above all, the UK, we sell WMDs to
        the very pit of Hell. Saudi Arabia.
        The gutless, (mainly), UK media still refer to mohammedans as “asians” &
        so insult asians who are not mohammedans.

      • Angemon says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 5:17 pm

        “I really don’t believe that the authorities didn’t act because of appearing racist. ”

        As usual with matters of belief, mere things such as “facts” won’t change the mind of a “believer”

        http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/245898/uk-it-was-racist-prosecute-muslim-rape-gangs-robert-spencer

        “I believe that law enforcement has been ordered to stand down by higher authorities.”

        Is your “belief” based on anything tangible? Or is it another of those things you simply believe because you believe and evidence be damned?

        • DFD says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 6:02 pm

          Hi Angemon,

          You say, quoting Peggy: “….“I believe that law enforcement has been ordered to stand down by higher authorities.” —— and asking her: “…Is your “belief” based on anything tangible? Or is it another of those things you simply believe because you believe and evidence be damned?”

          I don’t know about Australia, Peggy’s home. But in Germany the Media and the lefty wing politicians are screaming bloody murder, about Wendt, the head of the German Police Union. He said precisely that, in an interview, and condemned the German government (regime actually) for not supporting proper police work, instead, it hinders and sabotages it.

          Though, things are coming, slowly but surely, to a head. see: “GERMANY AT BOILING POINT: Terror-hit nation sees over 1,000 attacks on migrant camps” Link: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/748258/Merkel-Germany-divided-terror-spreads-attacks-on-refugees-Europe-Berlin

          Have a good, and peaceful, 2017!

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 8:37 am

          DFD posted:

          “But in Germany the Media and the lefty wing politicians are screaming bloody murder, about Wendt, the head of the German Police Union. He said precisely that, in an interview, and condemned the German government (regime actually) for not supporting proper police work, instead, it hinders and sabotages it.”

          He has, because there’s the notion that reporting on crimes done by “refugees” is “racism” or encourages “racism”. Peggy’s claim is that the part about law enforcement complaining about being called “racist” when looking into crimes done by “refugees “is a cover up for a nefarious conspiracy.

          Case in point: wasn’t the German police accused of “racism” when they arrested the wrong man after the Berlin attack?

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 10:28 pm

          Angemon wrote, replying to Peggy:

          “I believe that law enforcement has been ordered to stand down by higher authorities.”

          Is your “belief” based on anything tangible? Or is it another of those things you simply believe because you believe and evidence be damned?
          ……………………………..

          I don’t know about this specific case, Angemon, but shockingly law enforcement in Britain *has* been ordered to stand down in cases of organized Muslim sexual abuse:

          “UK police told not to investigate Muslim rape gangs”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/uk-police-told-not-to-investigate-muslim-rape-gangs

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 8:27 am

          From that article, GI:

          The force isn’t the problem. The culture is the problem — the culture that stigmatizes as “racism” and “bigotry” even the slightest opposition to jihad terror and Islamic supremacism.

          According to Peggy, there should be no such thing as what’s being described there because:

          I really don’t believe that the authorities didn’t act because of appearing racist….
          (…)
          Going after a criminal is not racist under any circumstances so I really do believe that our governments are allowing this and even encouraging it by way of letting Muslims know that they are above the law in order to subdue us.
          We have to be broken in order for NWO to work as they want it.

          Sometimes, someone not wanting to be called a “racist” is simply someone not wanting not wanting to be called a “racist” and not a agent of a NWO crackpot conspiracy theory. But I guess some people are just “special”, and only them can see how right they are – it’s just above and beyond the ever increasing pile of facts and evidence that says they’re wrong.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 8:29 am

          Hmmm, the cloning machine must ahve beens et to “ON. Where it reads:

          is simply someone not wanting not wanting to be called a “racist”

          it should read:

          is simply someone not wanting to be called a “racist”

          🙂

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 4:02 pm

          Angemon, I was not taking a stand on everything Peggy had to say–just that–shockingly–it does seem that authorities in the UK have been told to stand down at least on occasion when the perps are Muslim.

          Like DFD, I generally respect both your and Peggy’s contributions here.

          I wish you and yours a Happy New Year.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 4:36 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “shockingly–it does seem that authorities in the UK have been told to stand down at least on occasion when the perps are Muslim.”

          That they have. Because, going by what’s been reported so far, someone in the hierarchy didn’t want to lose their career and pension over charges of “racism” and “bigotry”. That much is observable, both in the US and Europe. How many articles have we seen in JW, or Breitbart, or any other alternative news media, where law enforcement doing their job completely within the law have been labelled “racists” just because their suspects belonged to a minority group? And bad as things are in the US, where stating the obvious (for example, that “Black Lives Matter” is a racial hate group) can get you a verbal lashing from the usual suspects, in places like Germany or the UK accusations of “racism” can cost one’s job or even get one landed in jail:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-springs-to-action-over-hate-speech-against-migrants/2016/01/06/6031218e-b315-11e5-8abc-d09392edc612_story.html

          https://anwaltauskunft.de/magazin/leben/ehe-familie/1178/rassismus-und-kindererziehung-droht-verlust-des-umgangsrechtes/

          To claim, like Peggy has, that law enforcement stands down not because of the reasonable, plausible fear of losing their job and becoming pariahs over false accusations of “racism” but because of the “NWO” begs for evidence that she isn’t providing. That my query into it was met with derision, insults and baseless speculation doesn’t exactly help her case. There are two major reasons to why something is not up for discussion: either the case has already been made in such an overwhelming way that there’s simply nothing left to discuss or it’s a matter of religious dogma. And seeing her reaction, I’m inclined to think the “NWO” conspiracy is a matter of religious dogma for her. Why else would she act in the exact same way as a butthurt SJW, telling people not to engage with me, fantasizing about my personal life, insulting me, etc.? And it’s not just Peggy – there’s plenty of people here who get triggered and lash out violently at any attempt to inquire about this “NWO” conspiracy theory. One would think they’d be glad to talk about it, explain their position and maybe get some people to see their point and even maybe agree with them, but no – just petty personal attacks because muh lack of faith.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 5:05 pm

          Angemon, I have disagreed with the “NWO” claim before. I don’t believe that there is a shadowy cabal out there bent on using Muslims to enslave us to–what?–the Masons, or Opus Dei, or the Illuminati, or what have you.

          Islam is a threat *all by itself*, and has been for 1400 years now. Recent Western weakness, fecklessness, self-hatred, and Kumbaya “politically correct” determination to consider all groups benignant sure as hell is not helping–but it is not the driving force behind the threat. It is just enabling it.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 7:12 am

          gravenimage posted:

          “Angemon, I have disagreed with the “NWO” claim before. I don’t believe that there is a shadowy cabal out there bent on using Muslims to enslave us to–what?–the Masons, or Opus Dei, or the Illuminati, or what have you. ”

          Neither do I. Hence why I gave Peggy a chance to explain her case. But all I got, as usual, was a fistful of insults, lies, and libellous, baseless accusations.

          As it has been written here in a much more eloquent fashion that I could ever hope to, correctly identifying a problem/calling things by their names is of crucial importance. If, as it can be observed, someone in a hierarchy is afraid to lose their job/pension, or even life, and refuses to do their work, we can identify that person, hold their feet to the fire and *demand* they do the job they’re being paid to do or be let go and replaced by someone who can. Popular support can go a long way, and 2016 has Brexit and Trump to show for. If someone from outside the hierarchy (or even from inside, fearing that the buck would pass to them) tries to go after their job and slander them as “racists”, one can organize support manifestations, Go Fund Me, etc. If, however, individuals are not, in fact, and against all demonstrable evidence, genuinely worrying for their job, pension, or even life, and it’s all a lie, a smokescreen to cover an unseen force, a force that is apparently and simultaneously very good and terrible at what they do, it would require a different approach. The thing is, when I ask about why I’m not supposed to trust my lying eyes and hears, I tend to get the business end of an angry zealot dealing with a blasphemer. There are very, very few people who are willing to talk about why they believe in a globalist conspiracy and many, many who act exactly as I would expect an agent of the alleged NWO to act: lying, defaming and trying to discredit their opponents. It’s exactly how SJWs act: “don’t engage with that person, she’s terrible because such and such. Here’s a list of nasty things about them I have no evidence for but also have no evidence against, so why risk it being true?”. Look no further than the recent SPLC list of “islamophobes”, or the people who “confused” Robert Spencer with Richard Spencer and called Robert a “racist” and “white supremacist” without retracting it afterwards.

      • DFD says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 5:54 pm

        Peggy,

        You said: “…….I believe that law enforcement has been ordered to stand down by higher authorities. ……
        We have to be broken in order for NWO to work as they want it. …… After every terror attack no matter where we are the ones who are told to back off and not even discuss it or we will be considered to be racist….. How much longer we are going to put up with this is anyone’s guess but I do believe
        we are under attack and not just by Muslims.
        ==================================
        Muslims are only foot soldiers.
        ======================== ………”

        you got that so right, so very right. SPOT ON! I keep on saying that for ages.

        Hope you had a nice Christmas and best for 2017

        • Peggy says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 7:25 pm

          Thank you and all the best for 2017 for you and your family too.
          PS. Don’t engage with Angemon. He has a history of replying to my posts in this way. He is looking for anything that he thinks he can use against me.
          Never mind that examining the reactions of law enforcement to what goes on and how much they don’t even try to bring these savages to justice and have allowed them to go on with it for years, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the police are so shackled.
          It seems only Angemon can’t see it.

          This is personal and no matter what I write he will find a way to make it look like I don’t know what I am talking about. It is a real surprise to me that he has left my posts alone for a few days. Maybe he was asked to back off by the moderators.

          In any way, if you engage with him, especially in support of me you will be his next target.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 8:26 am

          Peggy posted:

          “PS. Don’t engage with Angemon.”

          How about you letting other people decide who they engage with or not?

          “He has a history of replying to my posts in this way. He is looking for anything that he thinks he can use against me.”

          Nope. You, on the other hand, have a history of lying and insulting me, as well of being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian when it comes to what I say, going as far to imply I was lying when I accurately reported on what you say.

          You also have a history of trying to play the victim, like any crybully.

          “Never mind that examining the reactions of law enforcement to what goes on and how much they don’t even try to bring these savages to justice and have allowed them to go on with it for years, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the police are so shackled.”

          The thing is, you’re refusing to acknowledge that the police will be called racist and tarred publicly if they go after a minority group, regardless of how lawful and justified their actions are.

          “It seems only Angemon can’t see it.”

          Far from it – I see the whole picture instead of zooming in on a small spectrum and pretend the rest doesn’t exist.

          “This is persona”

          For you, maybe.

          “l and no matter what I write he will find a way to make it look like I don’t know what I am talking about.”

          Since you prefer to speak ill of me instead of refuting my points, you clearly don’t.

          “It is a real surprise to me that he has left my posts alone for a few days.”

          Playing the victim, crybully, etc. The thing is, Peggy, reality isn’t as you portray it – I don’t go around looking for your posts to post the opposite. Which is more than I can say about you – for example, one day you say I’m wrong when I point out that the Russian government has a draconian grip on the Russian press, a few days alter you assure me that the Russian government controls the Russian press. One day you accuse the Vatican of being infiltrated by satanists, a few days later you demand I prove you said so after I mentioned you did.

          “Maybe he was asked to back off by the moderators.”

          Nope. No moderator told me anything about you other that what they told you publicly when you tried to pressure them: that what you wanted – that I wasn’t allowed to reply to your posts – was a special status that you would not be getting.

          “In any way, if you engage with him, especially in support of me you will be his next target.”

          Libel, all of it. Point me to one instance where such a thing happened. You can’t because it never happened. You lie, and you lie a lot, and you’re lying about that as well. Because that’s what you do: you don’t rebut anything I say, you prefer, instead, and seeing how whining to the site staff failed miserably, to engage in this sort of passive-aggressive bulls***. “Oh, he’s not replying to my posts, therefore must have been warned by the mods”. Nope, and you can go ask any of them. In fact, do that, and post their replies here. I dare you.

          Again, you accused me of something I never did. Provide evidence to back your libel or retract and apologize. Remember, it’s hard to take the moral high-ground when all you do is make up lies.

        • DFD says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 6:49 am

          To Peggy
          =======

          I am sad to hear that about you and Angemeon. I do like both of you. I hope that things will somehow work out between you, or at least come to a calm.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 8:36 am

          DFD posted:

          “I hope that things will somehow work out between you, or at least come to a calm.”

          Not going to happen as long as Peggy insists in lying, slander and defaming me at every opportunity she gets, which usually happens after I question her on her conspiracy theories. For example, she told you I would go after you for supporting her. That never happened with anyone, but Peggy is not one to be shackled by the constrains of mere facts and reality – all that matters is tarring, undermining and smear me. I asked her to provide evidence (which she cant because it never happened) or retract and apologize, but I suspect I will only hear from her on that the next time she repeats that lie – for the time being she tossed her mud and played the victim so now it’s time to make a speedy getaway.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 30, 2016 at 4:14 pm

        Peggy–with all respect–I don’t believe that Muslims are “only foot soldiers”.

        Islam actually does want to destroy us and make us submit–the idea that it is just the West that is evil and is just cynically using Muslims to–what, exactly? How would this secret elite benefit from subjugating us to Islam–an Islam that would be just as intent on wiping them out?

        What is far more common is “political correctness”–the belief that Muslims are just like everyone else. It is taking more and more willful blindness to cling to this idea, but I see it in my neighbors.

        After all, its not as though those garden-variety Liberal idiots out there with the “Welcome Refugees” and “Coexist” bumper stickers are all members of some shadowy elite bent on reducing us to slavery.

        • DFD says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 4:47 pm

          Hi Graven,

          There are lots of misconceptions about that ‘NWO thing’. First of all, there’s no such concerted effort, no concerted conspiracy. What there are, are lots of groups with overlapping as well as contradictory aims.

          The Muslims are indeed foot soldiers, useful idiots, but ‘the left’ and various others have completely miscalculated that. Much to the delight of the Muslims. Others of course have calculated correctly.

          I am writing on this in my ‘essay’ the civil wars. I will publish an excerpt.

          Sorry in advance to all those who believe in a master plan to establish a NWO. There isn’t, besides, it’s not possible for such diverse groups as the manipulators are, to even co-operate. Perhaps to a minor extent, but nothing like to get control over the world. Just not on.

        • Peggy says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 12:16 am

          GI that is your right to disagree and I fully understand that given the same information many of us will draw different conclusions. I don’t have any problem with that at all. By the same token I too have the right to my conclusions and this is where we exchange them. Some will change their minds about what they thought to be the truth and some will not. That doesn’t make you or I correct or incorrect. We all think that we are correct otherwise we wouldn’t say what we say.

          As long as it’s done in a respectful manner, in which you have always conducted yourself, all’s great.
          What is upsetting is when someone who has different take on things, none of us have real proof otherwise we wouldn’t have different conclusions, belittles another for it. Demands constant evidence which sometimes the consequences are evidence and keep on your back all the time.

          We are not here to be harassed or belittled. We are here to exchange ideas and hopefully learn something new.
          Who said we are not allowed to have assumptions and speak our mind?
          Angemon thinks he is the smartest and his job is to jump down anyone’s throat who thinks differently from him.
          Actually I do agree of many points with him and I know that he hates Islam like the rest of us but his approach is not respectful at all and then he wonders why someone would turn on him.

          In case I didn’t make myself clear on what I believe in before i am hoping to get that out now.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 8:09 am

          Peggy posted:

          “As long as it’s done in a respectful manner, in which you have always conducted yourself, all’s great.”

          “Respectful manner”? Such as lying about other people, make libellous accusations, or even going as far as telling other not to engage with them? Do you consider that to be a “respectful manner”?

          “What is upsetting is when someone who has different take on things, none of us have real proof otherwise we wouldn’t have different conclusions”

          This is demonstrably false. I can point to cases and instances where people were accused of racism and suffered for it. I have done so on this topic.

          “belittles another for it.”

          “Belittles another”? Oh, like saying, for example, that someone’s posts are “smartarsed”?

          “Demands constant evidence”

          *gasp*

          Someone asked you evidence for something you claimed? Oh, the humanity!!!

          “ which sometimes the consequences are evidence and keep on your back all the time.”

          That doesn’t make any sense grammatically. I have no idea of what you’re trying to say.

          “We are not here to be harassed or belittled.”

          Does this mean that you’ll stop lying about me? Does this mean that you’ll stop your libel campaign against me?

          “We are here to exchange ideas and hopefully learn something new.”

          Why is it, then, that when I asked you about something you wrote all I got was a flurry of libel and lies about me?

          “Who said we are not allowed to have assumptions and speak our mind?”

          Yes, who? Who here is actively trying to silence others? For example, who here tried to get a special status where their posts could not be replied to?

          “Angemon thinks he is the smartest and his job is to jump down anyone’s throat who thinks differently from him.”

          Bulls***. I think no such thing and I’m not employed on this site. And this is coming from someone on, on that very same post, is talking about the need to “conduct oneself in a respectful manner”

          “Actually I do agree of many points with him ”

          Have you ever agreed with me on anything? Because I can prove that you go out of your way to disagree with what I write, even when I merely mention something you wrote. And what’s with that grammar?

          “and I know that he hates Islam like the rest of us”

          Funny that your way to show it is to lie, undermine and deride me…

          “but his approach is not respectful at all and then he wonders why someone would turn on him.”

          Again, bulls***. I asked you about something you wrote. You answered by going to other people, insulting me and *lying* about me.

          “In case I didn’t make myself clear on what I believe in before i am hoping to get that out now.”

          Oh, you’ve made that very clear: you hate me and you’ll never stop your libellous campaign to make me toxic to the point no one will take anything I write seriously. That much can be concluded from your lies, your insistence in having those lies up after being called on them and your overall hostile towards me, always excusing with “but, muh respectful conduct!”.

          You have no grounds to say someone else is “disrespectful” when all you do regarding said someone is lying about them. I asked you about something you wrote. You launched a flurry of insults and lies about me. You *refused* to discuss what you wrote, and you now try to act as if you have the moral high-ground and all you want is to have an open discussion but others are being big meanies? Good luck with that narrative…

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 2:56 pm

          Of course you have the right to draw your own conclusions, Peggy. I never implied otherwise.

    • seesdifferently says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 12:46 am

      How did she escape? How can she ever recover from this abuse…

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 30, 2016 at 5:08 pm

        A social worker was able to smuggle her out and give her a ride while her captor and his family were praying.

    • pbay says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 4:21 am

      Its still in the white house

    • Anne says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 10:11 am

      Water board him to get the children back. Oops, that’s unPC! Brits will let the Muslims “have their way,” literally.

  2. PRCS says

    Dec 28, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    I don’t want to minimize the woman’s situation, but the MailOnline article–at least as it’s written–just doesn’t add up.

    I hope she’s doing well, of course, but I’m skeptical about the story’s veracity.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      Dec 28, 2016 at 10:46 pm

      What she related is familiar to anyone who knows about human trafficking. Human scum like Malik are on the lookout for vulnerable teenage girls. They groom them by paying them attention, buying them things, having sex with them, and convincing them that the pimp/trafficker is in love with them.

      The girls can usually be manipulated into being prostituted, and if they aren’t sure, a jackboot keeps them in line. By the time the girls wise up, they are so enmeshed and feel so bad they often can’t be helped.

      This type of thing happens daily all over the world. Sad, though, that the UK imports people that don’t see trafficking as anything other than a cultural practice — after all, Mo the pedophile prophet did it, and he’s their perfect man — is that what makes “multiculturalism” such a lovely tapestry? Sick, sick, sick!!

      • Jack says

        Dec 28, 2016 at 11:35 pm

        You explained it very well Greyhound and it’s the truth.

        • Kelly says

          Dec 28, 2016 at 11:54 pm

          Yes, and Anna was further blindsided by first being introduced to his family and treated as a guest.

          Just heartbreaking!
          And she would have been hidden in plain sight in the “cultural clothes,” covering her face and dehumanizing her in the wider society.

          How much abuse is covered over by this strange expectation that women won’t speak and shouldn’t be spoken to or looked at?

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 28, 2016 at 11:53 pm

        Exactly, GF.

      • PRCS says

        Dec 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm

        She felt “let down by the authorities”. Was this during her captivity or after.

        She wrote a book about the experience but won’t make a statement to the police.

        A health care worker just popped in because she only weighed 85 pounds? What/Who precipitated the visit?

        Etc.

        As I said, I’m skeptical of the STORY’S veracity.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 12:10 am

          PRCS, do you believe the Daily Mail is in the business of making up stories out of whole cloth to ‘make Muslims look bad’?

        • PRCS says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 12:24 am

          GI, don’t patronize me and don’t be condescending.

          I didn’t say that and you know that.

          I am skeptical because I read the article.

          The health care worker came over while the “family” was busy with prayer and left without taking the woman with her or calling the police on the spot?

          Was the health care worker traumatized, too?

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 12:30 am

          No, PRCS–the health care worker was not traumatized. She certainly could have been dhimmified, though.

          “UK: Rotherham, city that covered up Muslim rape gang activity, steps up police patrols against ‘Islamophobia’”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-rotherham-city-that-covered-up-muslim-rape-gang-activity-steps-up-police-patrols-against-islamophobia

        • PRCS says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 12:38 am

          GI, you should read the original MIRROR article, too.

          http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-girl-kidnapped-held-sex-9529318

          “It seems astonishing that no professional raised the alarm when they met this mute, six-stone girl.”

        • ECAW says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 4:53 am

          I share your reservations PRCS but mostly because if the account is true then the abuser has committed the crimes of disposing of babies independent of Anna’s testimony. We know that she had the babies in hospital and I doubt that you can just lose babies from the system…health visitors, registration of births etc.

        • PRCS says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 11:18 am

          ECAW,

          Yes, that’s an additional concern. The story just doesn’t ring true.

          Skeptical.

        • Greywizard says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 5:56 pm

          It is not the case that all babies are born in hospital in the UK. Many are born at home, and it is highly likely that “at home” in the case of many Muslim families would include birth without any professional help. So, the question of when and where the girl had her babies should not raise questions about the verisimilitude of the newspaper account. Indeed, there is nothing in this account that really raises doubts or questions. This has happened before. It is probably happening somewhere in Britain now, and it will continue happening until Britain gets a bit of wisdom and requires Muslim integration with the British community, holding British values, and refusing extremists to continue to preach Islamism in mosques throughout the country.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 10:44 pm

          PRCS, I wasn’t being patronizing or condescending.

          While I am often skeptical about editorials or about the slant of stories in the MSM, I *don’t* believe we are at the point where newspapers are making up stories out of whole cloth.

          Like you, I do have questions, though–and yes, I read the Mirror story, as well.

          Here in the US, even if the victim does not press charges, the state would in most cases proceed on their own.

          Especially, they would be apt to follow up on the report of the victim’s children being sold.

          But I can certainly believe that a child can fall between the cracks with social services.

          I ran away from an abusive home at fifteen; I later learned that welfare had continued to pay AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) payments for *three years* to my mother even though she was unable to produce me and lacked any school records. This was in San Francisco during the mid-late 1970s.

      • Baucent says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 2:41 am

        The other key fact is the link between Taxi driving and scouting for vulnerable girls to abuse. Seems clear the word is out around the muslim areas that a Taxi is perfect cover for scouting and abducting girls, especially at night.

    • Cleanseignorace says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 6:37 am

      You have said it all ! I was wondering how in the span of giving birth to and selling 4 babies, she could not speak out or escape? In Modern U.K? The story sounds like one of the dumb fabricated and senseless stories that Muslims themselves tell. The narratives just don’t add up to the claimed occurrences.

  3. Guest says

    Dec 28, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    What type of world do we live in that allows this evil.

  4. jayell says

    Dec 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    Dr. Spencer often says that the UK is finished, and sickening stories like this give him credence. The appalling thing is that girls don’t have to be socially isolated to be abused in this sort of way. Girls who present as having some kind of psychological vulnerability can be targetted by these Asian Muslims in the same way that any predator stalks its prey in the natural world, or common criminals target their victims. I was once professionally associated with a young lady, the daughter of a highly respectable, even over-protective family, who unfortunately subconsciously gave the impression of being easily-influenced. Sadly, her school had become infested by asian muslims who had bit by bit moved into the area, and whatever guidance/protection her parents gave her at home was to no avail when she was in school and out of their reach. The school was also powerless, because they would have had no pretext to intervene in what might have appeared to be have been ‘normal social interaction’ without any express complaint from the girl or her parents (who were oblivious to most of what was going on). The only clue that I personally got that might have indicated that not all was well with her was one occasion when I witnessed her with a group of her friends on the way back from school, in a state of some distress. It might have been nothing, she was being ‘comforted’ by her friends, and in a normal, civilised world it would have augured probably no more than a storm in a teacup that was none of.my business. As it turned out, it might well have been anything BUT that, because she subsquently gave birth to two illegitimate children by asian fathers, and now lives as an unmarried mother in social housing, her life probably ruined! And this a girl from a good, caring, responsible middle-class background!

    An older relative of mine was a teacher in a local primary school that gradually became ‘islamically enriched’ over a period of years. In the course of her duties she had dealings with the families of her pupils and she used the word ‘evil’ more than once when describing her impressions of meetings with them (she was a very observant and intuitive person). It’s just a little alarming how well her remarks fit with the message of the article here and my sad story of the young lady I once knew. Clearly, the multicultural experiment has been a disaster. It might have worked if the normal British standards of interpersonal respect had been followed and enforced, but no, that would have been ‘racist’. Instead, our leaders have irresponsibly and negligently allowed the evil of Islamic disrepect to run riot. Time to hold them to account, I think, before the UK really is finished.

    • PRCS says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 1:09 am

      “by these Asian Muslims”

      As I believe you live in GB, is the “Asian” part important? Habit?

      What do the Brits you know think of the ongoing substitution of Asian for Muslim?

      Curious.

      • Anne Smith says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 5:03 am

        Asian is a euphemism for Muslim which is used by the MSM and all the TV media. They use it to show their complete non-racism and multicutural agenda.

        To say Muslim might identify the problem and the people and that would never do.

        • PRCS says

          Dec 29, 2016 at 11:32 am

          Thanks Anne,

          I’m aware. And it’s a long used sidestep.

          But, what do GB’s public think about its use?

          I imagine they realize it’s an intelligence insulting euphemism, but what do they say and/or do about it?

          How do the police and news outlets describe a Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. crime suspect?

    • jayell says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 11:12 pm

      Hello PRCS. Note that I said ‘Asian MUSLIMS, not just ‘asians’. Also remember that in UK English, the term ‘asian’ usually refers only to those from the Indian subcontinent. So my description suggests Muslims from either Pakistan or Bangladesh, who are statistically the most troublesome in the UK in many ways.

      • PRCS says

        Dec 31, 2016 at 6:20 pm

        Thanks.

        But my question was about the ongoing use of “Asians” rather than Muslims In GB news.

  5. LairdKintyre says

    Dec 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    Mr Churchill. Where are you now? He’ll. For that matter. How about King Arthur? This garbage can’t be allowed to go on. Britons never never shall be slaves.

    • Peggy says

      Dec 28, 2016 at 11:49 pm

      Looks like plenty of British children are.

  6. Wellington says

    Dec 28, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    The only thing about Islam that should surprise anymore is that one can still be surprised by most any repulsive thought or action that has Islam behind it.

    • Kay says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 1:03 am

      Yeah, I’m still surprised (saddened, sickened) by the atrocities and destruction the Mohammedens cause, still surprised that they celebrate it (at least some of them), still surprised that so few of them speak against the horrors.

      And I’m still surprised (scared, confused) that even with history and current world events, so many people have swallowed the deception that Muslims are the victims (of “right-wingers”) and that so many people identify their own vulnerability (female, homosexual, black, other immigrant) with Mohammedens
      but do not identify with their victims.

      Btw, I feel let down by the authorities too. I had thought they would be busy taking care of the wellbeing of our nation.

      • PRCS says

        Dec 29, 2016 at 1:23 am

        “surprised that so few of them speak against the horrors”

        For Muslims to do so, so long as the horrors are Islamically correct, would be to place themselves above Allah; to challenge Allah’s word; to state that Allah is wrong.

        With the exception of that little Satanic Verses screw up, whomever concocted and crafted Qur’an was an obsessed and thorough control freak.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 5:14 pm

          Very true, PRCS.

  7. Clara says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 12:03 am

    This is so sad! Appeasement doesnt work… it was tried in 1938. How much more are we going to appease this horrible ideology? When will western leaders realize what we are facing? This is war…starting with western girls and women…stop jailing brave people who dare to criticize islam… Tommy Robinson, Paul Golding

  8. Rufolino says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 3:05 am

    It seems incredible that such appalling crimes, which are encouraged by an imported ideology, appear to have little effect on the policies of those who claim to govern Britain.

    What the future will be for the United Kingdom under such blind politicians fills one with fear.

    That you can today freely burn a Bible but will be jailed for burning a Koran predicts Britain’s Islamic future.

    Absolutely heartbreaking.

  9. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 3:18 am

    mr spencer,muslims are not allowed to acquire slaves any how.the slaves must be those captured during the war,not through kidnaping.this girl was kidnapped, not captured during valid jihad war.as such she cannot be made a sex slave.but your evil mithraist bible allows it by purchase even those kidnapped.see levisticus 25:44-46 and exodus 21:2-6.in exodus 21:7-11 a father can sell his daughter as sex slave.in the new testament mithraist jesus requires slaves to bear harsh treatment by his or her master in ephesians 6:5;and in luke 12:47-48 the master can punish his slave upto death.in islam, the master has no right to beat his slave.where the master maltreats his slave, the slave can file a case against the master before a sharia court.if he proves his case the court will free the slave and punish the master. but mr spencer may say christians are no longer complying with biblical injunctions.why holding it?throw it away as rubbish.we know you take your religion as a matter of play and fun.

    • Champ says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 3:31 am

      allah is a “deceiver and trickster” just like his faithful follower “ibrahim itace muhammed” the pathological liar …

    • duh swami says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 5:31 am

      Ibrahim…All religions are corrupt, especially yours…Your mind has been corrupted…Allah has made a fool of you…Stand up…be a man, the way out is apostasy…do you have the guts for that?

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 10:21 am

      “Muslims are not allowed to acquire slaves anyhow, anyhow the slaves must be those captured………….”

      “My dog didn’t bite that man; he was home at the time. Anyhow, I don’t have a dog.”

      • Peggy says

        Dec 31, 2016 at 5:30 pm

        If you were Muslim that would be all you need to defend yourself.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 5:51 pm

      The foul apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:

      mr (sic) spencer,muslims (sic) are not allowed to acquire slaves any how.the (sic) slaves must be those captured during the war,not (sic) through kidnaping.this (sic) girl was kidnapped, not captured during valid jihad war.as (sic) such she cannot be made a sex slave.
      ……………………………….

      As poster Carolyne ably notes, this is contradiction–muhammed first claiming that Muslims are not allowed to acquire slaves and sex slaves, then affirming that they are, in fact, allowed to do so.

      But then, there is no reason in Islam.

      The fact is that Muslims believe that they are at war with the Infidel world–which they even name “Dar-al-Harb”, or the “House of War”–so this is *always* Halal.

      Muhammed himself kidnapped women for ransom and allowed his vicious followers to rape them. Kidnapping is not forbidden in Islam–it is, in fact, *sacralized* in Islam.

      This, from the Hadith:

      Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
      –Sahih Muslim 3371

      More:

      but (sic) your evil mithraist (sic) bible (sic) allows it by purchase even those kidnapped.see (sic) levisticus 25:44-46 and exodus 21:2-6.in exodus 21:7-11 a father can sell his daughter as sex slave.in (sic) the new testament mithraist (sic) jesus (sic) requires slaves to bear harsh treatment by his or her master in ephesians 6:5;and (sic) in luke (sic) 12:47-48 the master can punish his slave upto (sic) death.
      ……………………………….

      These Biblical verses are descriptive, not prescriptive.

      And how many times does muhammed have to be told that it was the Judeo-Christian West that *abolished* slavery? There is no nation on the face of the earth with a Judeo-Christian heritage where slavery is practiced.

      Would that this were true of Dar-al-Islam, where slavery is not just rife, but *resurgent*. The foul muhammed himself affirms that he can use us Infidels as slaves and sex slaves.

      More:

      in (sic) islam, (sic) the master has no right to beat his slave.where (sic) the master maltreats his slave, the slave can file a case against the master before a sharia court.if (sic) he proves his case the court will free the slave and punish the master.
      ……………………………….

      Uh…right. Doesn’t the morally-challenged muhammed realize that keeping someone enslaved is *itself* maltreatment? Of course not.

      As for the idea that beating a slave is forbidden in Islam, this is absolutely false. Here is the “Prophet” Muhammed himself smiling in approval as his closest Companion Abu Bakr beats a slave:

      Narated By Asma’ bint AbuBakr : We came out for performing hajj along with the Apostle of Allah (pbuh). When we reached al-Araj, the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) alighted and we also alighted. ‘Aisha sat beside the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) and I sat beside my father (AbuBakr). The equipment and personal effects of AbuBakr and of the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) were placed with AbuBakr’s slave on a camel. AbuBakr was sitting and waiting for his arrival. He arrived but he had no camel with him. He asked:

      Where is your camel? He replied: I lost it last night. AbuBakr said: There was only one camel, even that you have lost. He then began to beat him while the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing?

      Ibn AbuRizmah said: The Apostle of Allah (pbuh) spoke nothing except the words: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (wearing ihram), what is he doing? He was smiling (when he uttered these words).
      –Abu Dawud Book 004, Hadith Number 1814

      How can muhammed gainsay his own “Prophet”? Blasphemy…

      More:

      but (sic) mr (sic) spencer (sic) may say christians (sic) are no longer complying with biblical injunctions.
      ……………………………….

      Of course, this is claptrap. There is no Biblical injunction to enslave people.

      However, in Islam it is believed that if a victim is enslaved that it is the will of “Allah”:

      “Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah.”
      –Qur’an 16:75

      More:

      why (sic) holding it?throw (sic) it away as rubbish.we (sic) know you take your religion as a matter of play and fun.
      ……………………………….

      Look what the foul muhammed is claiming: that if people *don’t* enslave unbelievers and rape sex slaves that they are not taking their faith seriously.

      *This* is what Muslims consider the serious religious practice of Islam–abusing their fellow man. Horrifying–and *very telling*. *Ugh*.

  10. Aton says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 4:51 am

    Aton says

    December 29, 2016 at 4:50 am

    Perhaps they want to create an enemy within, in order to unify Europe?? Just like H1tIer used an enemy within to unify and galvanise Germany?? As conspiracies go, that is quite off the wall. But I am struggling to find any other reason.

    Although they could just be stupid fantasists. Trip Advisor were soliciting donations to bring more Syrians to the UK just last week. And when I called them the guy genuinely thought the Syrian refugees were displaced victims, and all jolly nice people. And that was after all the jihad attacks we have had.

    There is no accounting for stupid.

    Aton (Never using Trip Advisor again.)

  11. duh swami says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 5:37 am

    Civilization disappears when good men refuse to protect their daughters…

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 5:54 pm

      So true, Swami.

      As it stands now, Muslims are going after girls in the West who are unprotected.

      Where Muslims take over, they prevent unbelievers from protecting their children against Muslim depredations–so even daughters from loving homes can be kidnapped, raped, married off, and forcibly converted.

  12. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 7:57 am

    duh swami, i wonder how can a muslim man leave a muslim woman with clean and neat vagina and develope interest in filthy christian ladies with rotten vaginas due to absence of purification.i stayed in the united states for some time,but i never contemplated having an affair with such ladies with disgusting bad smells

    • BlueRaven says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 9:30 am

      You filthy nit-wit Mo. Check out the number of people access porn sites, specifically animal porn sites – the Muslim countries top the list by a high margin. Did you get that? Now get gone.

    • PRCS says

      Dec 29, 2016 at 11:41 am

      Filthy Christian ladies?

      How about a nice Jewish lady?

      Purification?

      A halal vagina?

      As a true, true believer, are you saying you’d have considered having an affair with a Muslim woman? What would Big Al say?

    • Kay says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 9:40 am

      filthy ibrahim–
      Do you listen to yourself? Have you no moral decency? Have you never heard of private parts? I can’t even fathom the filth you must be to engage in such comparisons.
      Perhaps you are looking to confess but this is not the place and you must come to recognize your sinfulness.
      Then you can meet God’s mercy.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 10:24 am

      The reason you did not have sex with Western women is because no Western woman would have you. Talk about smelling……………….

    • Champ says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 4:38 pm

      “ibrahim itace muhammed” is constantly writing his own PORN on Jihad Watch! He brings down this site with his filthy writing. Why is he still here?

    • Angemon says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 4:46 pm

      Hi there, Ebionite. You wrote:

      “i stayed in the united states for some time,but i never contemplated having an affair with such ladies with disgusting bad smells”

      I remember hearing a criminal psychologist talking about the mind of a paedophile. One of the things he said was that paedophiles tended to publicly show more disgust and outrage at the thought of having sex with children than non-paedophiles. I’m theorizing that you didn’t had an affair with an American women not because you never contemplated it thanks to your hound nose (who in your scenario isn’t burned out on the smell of you wiping your ass with your bare hands) but because you were turned down at every attempt. As Aesop kindly reminds us, “There are many who pretend to despise and belittle that which is beyond their reach.”

      http://read.gov/aesop/005.html

      • Daniel Triplett says

        Dec 30, 2016 at 7:38 pm

        Reminds me of a clinical psychological study of declared heterosexual homophobic men, compared to regular, declared heterosexual men, who were non-homophobic.

        When each alone were put into a private video viewing room, and shown homosexual porn movies, 15% of the non-homophobic heterosexual men became sexually aroused (erect).

        Whereas 85% of the homophobic heterosexual men became sexually aroused (erect).

    • Daniel Triplett says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 5:30 pm

      The whole World is at war right now ibrahim, instigated by the vile evil Ummah. All the evil behavior in which they participate, they believe is endorsed and encouraged by your Islamic source texts (your war manual).

      Everything Muslims are doing to this poor girl, they believe is under the approval of Allah, and modeled by Muhammad. Under divine sanction, they see nothing wrong with their behavior.

      Can’t you see the evil? If not, Satan inhabits your heart? Would Jesus, the true Lord of the Universe ever encourage or condone such evil upon an innocent woman?

      Ask Christ to help you find your soul, and steer it toward everlasting righteousness. Your time on Earth is short, but the choices you make determines how your soul spends Eternity.

      It’s not too late for you. You’re obviously frequenting Robert Spencer’s website for philosophical enlightenment.

      Repeat these simple words out loud to save your soul:

      “Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins. Come into my heart. I make you my Lord and Savior.”

      It’s that simple.

      Burn ALL of your Islamic texts.

      Get yourself the “New Living Translation Bible.” It’s modern language, and easy to understand for native-English speakers like me, but especially for people for whom English is a second language, like you.

      Learn about The Trinity. Learn about Jesus Christ, your one true Lord, now and forever.

      Save your soul. Save the World. Choose wisely. Better to spend your remaining short life on Earth and Eternity in the loving embrace and guidance of our Lord Jesus Christ, rather than Eternity in the damnation of Hell, under the thumb of Satan, disguised as Allah, “The Master of all Deceivers.”

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 6:15 pm

      The repellent ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:

      duh swami, i (sic) wonder how can a muslim (sic) man leave a muslim (sic) woman with clean and neat vagina and develope (sic) interest in filthy christian (sic) ladies with rotten vaginas due to absence of purification.i (sic) stayed in the united (sic) states (sic) for some time,but i (sic) never contemplated having an affair with such ladies with disgusting bad smells
      ………………………………

      Where to start? Firstly, muhammed has been told scores of times that hygiene in the West is the highest in the world. muhmmed himself makes clear that he is referring to ritual “purification”, which has nothing to do with actual cleanliness.

      He has also implied that he does not consider a woman “clean” unless she has been mutilated through FGM.

      Then, he implies that raping women is about attraction–it is not. Muslims rape Infidel women as part of Jihad–to harm and humiliate the Kuffar. Note that he sees no difference between consensual relations and *sex slavery*.

      But then, there is no real concept of equality in Islam–let alone the concept of love.

      God, I hate Islam.

  13. BlueRaven says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 9:25 am

    So much for the theory of ‘moderate’ Muslims – in her 16 years of capativity, how many ‘moderate’ Muslims saw her in that psychopaths house and didn’t offer any help? Islam is a sick cult and it need to be eradicated.

    There are a couple questions remain unanswered:
    It is surprising the Mussy Malik messed up only one woman’s life, I would expect he handled several – perhaps he has another house where he hold more in captivity;

    Selling babies is a serious crime – if true then Mussi Malik and co will be locked up for a while – I guess the babies were born at home, and they were handed over to a local Imam. These guys are the real piece of s**t – the imams. They are the dirty dealers.

  14. Anne says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 10:18 am

    Notice the euphemistic word “Asian” has replaced “Muslim” in mainstream media parlance. How ridiculously PC and protective of a religion whose dogma allows such crimes against humanity as well as British law. British men, man up against such evil. Shame, shame!

  15. Anne says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 10:46 am

    People of Chinese, Japanese, Korean origen, etc. should protest the use of “Asian” to describe Muslim criminals and their atrocities! Elsewhere it says this family was going to take her to Pakistan so that country is plausibly their origin. Because of extensive Paki kinship it is likely many knew of this crime and did nothing. Should be grounds for prosecution and deportation, Brits. Do something!

  16. Alexius Comnenus says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 10:58 am

    This story made me sick at my stomach and made me feel extremely compassionate to this woman and many others like her. I can say “SHAME TO UK!!!” Shame to every human being with common sense and rational who lives in England and does not do anything to stop islam from UK.
    Churchill was right in what he said about islam as not being a religion but a pathological ideological cult which decimated millions of people since its inception.
    The human mind cannot accept this extremely dangerous treat to all mankind.
    Thy governments of all these western countries bear the solely quilt and responsibility for opening the doors to this reality. The people should accuse them of treason.
    That’s why America must be strong and reverse every action of this promuslim administration. There are just a few more days. All be patient. It will be OK.

  17. Susette says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 11:48 am

    My takeaway from this story, aside from the sheer horror of it, is:

    1. Quit calling muslim criminals “Asians”. Asians are typically thought of as from Eastern Asian countries and India. They are a productive, smart, assimilated, and kind group of people that contribute mightily to society. Middle Easterners and muslims generally are not this way.

    2. Healthcare providers: Examine your muslim women patients privately. To allow the male guardian to be present is a violation of confidentiality and prohibits you from conducting a thorough exam. You put the woman at grave risk when you tacitly permit the male guardian to remain in the exam room. Health trumps religion and it is your duty to provide healthcare first, in spite of the religion of the patient.

    3. Healthcare providers: Develop a physical/sexual assault assessment tool for muslim women. There is a high degree of domestic violence in muslim populations that needs to be identified and treated. The perps need to be arrested on the spot (despite their sharia law allowing women to be beaten). Please, these women only have this small window of opportunity to “plead their case” in private. Safety trumps religion.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      All important points, Susette.

  18. Keith Gilbert says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    Drive islam and all its adherents from our midst into whatever desert poverty that can be found for them and let the whole lot of them be forgotten for history does not deserve a memory of such evil in the flesh as is found in the followers of the pedophile ‘prophet’ and his less than jolly band of murderers.

  19. Hector Archytas says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    She was probably felt adopted by her raptor. Slave does find safety in slavery.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 7:02 pm

      Then why did she escape?

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 7:07 pm

      Moreover, many have tried–and even died–escaping slavery.

    • Peggy says

      Dec 31, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      How about asking that slave if she/he wants out?
      That will determine whether the slave finds safety in being a slave or not.

  20. Mark A says

    Dec 29, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    An appalling story.

    But after Rotherham, can British authorities be trusted to investigate this properly?

  21. Peggy says

    Dec 30, 2016 at 7:13 am

    DFD says

    December 30, 2016 at 6:49 am

    To Peggy
    =======

    I am sad to hear that about you and Angemeon. I do like both of you. I hope that things will somehow work out between you, or at least come to a calm.
    ———————————————-
    All I ask of him is to leave me alone. I have asked him repeatedly but all I get from him is that this is a free site and anyone can comment on anyone’s post.
    Just because you can doesn’t mean you should, especially when you are asked repeatedly not to. It’s a decent thing to do.
    Have you noticed that I don’t respond to his posts? I will reply to him if he behaves like that when I post something but I don’t respond to any of his posts.
    I am beyond working anything out with him. All I want from him is to leave me alone. it seems too much to ask.
    If you were harassed with such smartarse comments from someone for so long I doubt you would want to work anything out with that person. You would just want them to stop it.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 8:47 am

      Peggy posted:

      “All I ask of him is to leave me alone.”

      All I ask of you is not to lie about me. And reply to my questions, much like I reply to yours.

      “I have asked him repeatedly”

      You also tried to publicly pressure the site staff into granting you a special status in which I wasn’t allowed to reply to your posts.

      “but all I get from him is that this is a free site and anyone can comment on anyone’s post.”

      Which it is.

      “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should, especially when you are asked repeatedly not to. It’s a decent thing to do.”

      A decent thing to do would be not to lie about and/or insult other users. That never stopped you from lying about me and what I write or insulting me, did it? And, with your little spacial status in place, I wouldn’t be allowed to defend mysekf from your libel.

      “Have you noticed that I don’t respond to his posts?”

      No, now you’re engaging in an even more passive-aggressive bulls*** – rather than address and rebut my points you prefer to whine, play the victim and lie about me. How very noble, not to say grown-up, of you!

      “I will reply to him if he behaves like that when I post something but I don’t respond to any of his posts.”

      Hilarious – you want to get brownie points for not replying to my posts but you say you reply to my posts. You can either have your brownies or eat them – not both.

      “I am beyond working anything out with him.”

      That much is true – it’s hard to work anything with anyone when all you do is lie and insult them.

      “All I want from him is to leave me alone. it seems too much to ask.”

      Meaning that I shouldn’t be allowed to reply when you say that I’m making things personal (the hypocrisy is strong with that claim) or that the site staff must have asked me not to reply to you. You want freedom to lie and smear without getting a rebuttal to your lies and smears.

      “If you were harassed with such smartarse comments from someone for so long”

      Better a smartass than a lying ass. BTW, what do you mean by “harassment”?

      “I doubt you would want to work anything out with that person. You would just want them to stop it.”

      And what better way to make someone stop replying to you than to lie about them? Surely there’s no way they’ll reply to you when they see you blatantly lying about them, is it?

    • Angemon says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 9:02 am

      P.S.:

      “I will reply to him if he behaves like that when I post something”

      Since you didn’t reply to me, it must be that I’m not “behaving like that” – the evil and malicious way you are ascribing me – and that my query was solid and on point 😉

      You really don’t think before posting, do you? If you only reply to me when I “misbehave” and you’re trying to get recognition for not replying to me, what does that say about the whole situation?

    • Susette says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 10:29 am

      To Peggy and anyone…I breeze through the insulting quotes about others (except ibrahim, whose defense of islam consistently demonstrates his low IQ!) because they do nothing to enlighten the conversation. I would like to see JW used as a thoughtful forum for imparting the truth about islam. When it degenerates into personal insults and name-calling, including those about Obama, Hillary and any comparison of someone to Hitler, it engenders a Jerry Spence quality that minimizes this truth, and makes JW look like a venue for far-right misanthropes. Which it isn’t…there are many liberals, like myself, who seek to educate others about islam’s destructive global agenda. As a moderate liberal, I am baffled by the left’s acquiescence to all that is islam.

      • Daniel Triplett says

        Dec 30, 2016 at 7:20 pm

        With due respect Susette, it’s time to become Republican.

        Everyone figures it out eventually.

        It’s usually the arrogant, know-it-all types who are Democrat. You don’t seem like an arrogant person to me. You seem open-minded and open to persuasion. A person who can think for herself.

        Remember, only two of our Presidents have been divorced: Reagan and Trump. We all make mistakes from which we can learn.

        Incidentally, both Reagan and Trump were Democrats before they wised up and became Republican. They learned with an open-mind. You can too!

      • Peggy says

        Dec 31, 2016 at 12:25 am

        I am hoping you don’t mean to say that I am the problem here.
        I ask you to go back and look at the posts and see who it is that initiates the contact which is unwelcome and will escalate into something.

        I don’t initiate anything. I respond to the smartarse posts directed at me. Please do look through all the posts and then you will see that I do not comment on anything Angemon says and keep virtually begging him not to respond to mine because I know why he does.

        So if you are going to hold someone as an example, please look more carefully at what is really going on and who stalks whom.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 7:31 am

          Peggy posted:

          “I am hoping you don’t mean to say that I am the problem here.
          I ask you to go back and look at the posts and see who it is that initiates the contact which is unwelcome and will escalate into something.
          ”

          An unwelcome contact that “escalates” into something? That would be you, on your December 29, 2016 at 7:25 pm post:

          PS. Don’t engage with Angemon. He has a history of replying to my posts in this way. He is looking for anything that he thinks he can use against me….

          (…)

          This is personal and no matter what I write he will find a way to make it look like I don’t know what I am talking about. It is a real surprise to me that he has left my posts alone for a few days. Maybe he was asked to back off by the moderators.

          In any way, if you engage with him, especially in support of me you will be his next target.

          You trying to defend the “escalation” (funny way to describe unwarranted, undeserved insults, as well as lies and slander) *you* do with “but he replied to one of my posts!”. Do you really have no idea of how insane that makes you look? You are no different, in nature, from a run-of-the-mill SJW, always acting worse than the people they decry and justifying it with “but they said something I didn’t like, therefore I have the right to lie about them!”

          “I don’t initiate anything.”

          Or so you say. Under which logic the libel you wrote about me is “not initiating anything”? What kind of answer could you possibly expect from lying about someone else than “you are lying. You are a liar”?

          “I respond to the smartarse posts directed at me.”

          That sounds like a very sketchy defense. What’s the metric to define what a “smartarse post” is? Because that’s the kind of subjective thing that’s in the eye of the beholder. I asked you if you have anything to back your NWO conspiracy theory other than the accusation itself. And I asked that because I can look around and see people getting into trouble over false accusations of racism. How does that qualify as “smartarse”?

          “Please do look through all the posts and then you will see that I do not comment on anything Angemon says and keep virtually begging him not to respond to mine because I know why he does.”

          And there it is again, the passive-aggressive bulls***. Apparently, not responding to me when I inquire you on something you wrote is virtuous. Never mind that you go out of your way to lie about me and ascribe me malice for no apparent reason because you don’t reply to my posts and that’s apparently worth brownie points. Again, by your “logic”, I wouldn’t be allowed to defend myself from your libel because that requires me to reply to you. Oh, and what exactly do you mean with ” I know why he does”? Are you a mind-reader now?

          I asked you to explain your claim about the NWO being behind something. That you put much more time and effort lying about me, accusing me of things I never did and even telling people not to engage with me

          “So if you are going to hold someone as an example, please look more carefully at what is really going on and who stalks whom.”

          Funny you try to go there:

          It is a real surprise to me that he has left my posts alone for a few days. Maybe he was asked to back off by the moderators.

          Who was “stalking” who in that libellous scenario of yours? BTW, no moderator ever asked me not to reply to your posts, so kindly retract what you wrote and apologize.

  22. Carolyne says

    Dec 30, 2016 at 10:32 am

    Angemon, how old are you? About 16? Must you always have the last word? I find that childish. This is an internet forum. It has nothing to do with your personal life, yet you wish to inject personal insults. What you say has no importance to me whatsoever, so do your worst.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 11:44 am

      Carolyne posted:

      “This is an internet forum. It has nothing to do with your personal life”

      Then why are you asking me about my personal life? And why are others writing fanfic about me and site staff?

      “yet you wish to inject personal insults.”

      Huh, what? I’m not allowed to call a proven liar a liar? I’m not allowed to defend myself from false accusations?

    • Angemon says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 11:49 am

      P.S.:

      “ What you say has no importance to me whatsoever”

      Then why go out of your way to chide me on some unspecified fault?

  23. Daniel Triplett says

    Dec 30, 2016 at 11:38 am

    Peggy is among the nicest, sweetest Counter-jihadists toward other Counter-jihadists on this site.

    At the same time, she is a vicious war fighter toward jihadists who speak on this site. I enjoy reading and learning from her posts.

    Would sure be nice to see other Counter-jihadists on this site redirect their vehement contempt toward the 1.6 Billion Muslims on the planet who want us dead. There are plenty from which to choose, and Peggy isn’t one of them.

    Please support Peggy and stop knocking her down. (You know who you are) She’s on our side for Christ’s Sake.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 11:47 am

      Daniel Triplett posted:

      “Peggy is among the nicest, sweetest Counter-jihadists toward other Counter-jihadists on this site.

      At the same time, she is a vicious war fighter toward jihadists who speak on this site”

      Then I guess that makes me a jihadi and people like itace boy over there a counter-jihadi. At least, seeing how she spends much more time denigrating, insulting and fantasizing about me than she takes calling islamic apologists like itace boy on their nonsense. But I guess to each their priorities…

      • Daniel Triplett says

        Dec 30, 2016 at 12:27 pm

        I didn’t mention your name Angemon. I was thinking generally.

        For what it’s worth, I learn much from you too, and copy much of what you say into a special log I keep full of wise thoughts from a variety of Counter-jihadists.

        You needn’t take what I say personally directed toward you, because it wasn’t.

        If you feel you must spend your time railing against Peggy, or anyone else, that’s your business. This is a free forum.

        I’ve gotten into days, or weeks-long fights with other Kaffir on this site as well. But at the end of the day, I was really just wasting my time, especially when it devolves into personal attacks.

        Debating strategies to win the war is one thing, but putting each other down like a bunch of 13-year old schoolgirls is counter-productive and a complete waste of time. (I’m as human and guilty as anyone else sir)

        WWIII is in progress. I suggest we all work together to figure out how to win it quickly and decisively.

        Stay strong, and may we all remain focused on the enemy. We have a BIG fight ahead of us.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 4:10 pm

          “I didn’t mention your name Angemon. I was thinking generally.”

          That’s the thing. Saying “whomever this person attacks is a jihadi and whomever this person is nice to is an anti-jihadi” is a dangerous thumb-rule to have because it makes a given person the arbiter of who’s a jihadi and who isn’t based on a non-existing metric. What if the arbiter takes a personal disliking to someone? What if the arbiter starts flinging lies, ad-hominems and smears out of personal animus? How can one tell?

          Anyway, you stay strong too, and may you and yours have a very Happy New Year 🙂

        • Angemon says

          Dec 30, 2016 at 4:24 pm

          P.S.: if defending myself from someone who lied about me is “railing against” that person, how would you describe the lies that person made about me, as well as her desire to dictate with whom others can engage or not?

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 1:12 pm

          Angemon,

          Like I said, I didn’t mention your name in my post above. I don’t know enough about the details to pick sides, nor do I want to pick sides, because we’re all on the same side.

          I believe BOTH you and Peggy have much to offer in the war effort. We’re ALL guilty of not supporting each other and joining arms to destroy our enemy. I’m not picking on you, hence you don’t see your name above.

          My only brother is an anti-war, peacenik, Dhimmi, loyal Democrat with whom I’ve often come to blows. He was the guy dancing around in the National Mall protesting the war, aiding and abetting the jihadists who were trying to shoot my airplane out of the sky on the other side of the planet. He finally got what he wanted: His hero, Caliph Ohammad in the Oval exfiltrated all US troops from what used to be Iraq, and the rest is history.

          Anyway, I digress.

          I just noticed there’s been a lot of shooting going on inside the tent. That’s never good. Whatever it is that’s pissing you off about each other, I suggest ending the feud and moving on. Although I know nothing about your quarrel with Peggy, might it simply be small potatoes compared to the Biblical-sized war confronting us all?

          I’m not you’re parent, and am not trying to tell you how to resolve your conflicts. Only you can evaluate the magnitude of the insult or slight you feel has been levied against you, and determine what, if anything may be done to reconcile it.

          Perhaps you, Peggy, and all of us would be better served if we re-aimed our guns outside the tent toward the 1.6 Billion Muslims who are deadly serious about raping our wives and daughters in front of us, before sawing off our heads with a dull blade, then moving into our homes to conquer our civilization.

          Again, I respect both you and Peggy, and all the value you have to offer our campaign. And I encourage all Kaffir to put our personal differences aside, and train our gun sights on the demonic enemy who will stop at nothing to kill us all with the most cruel, barbaric, visually appalling methods they can imagine.

          Lock and load. Be prepared. They’re coming for a fight to the death.

        • Angemon says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 9:12 pm

          “Like I said, I didn’t mention your name in my post above. ”

          Yes, that was the only thing you didn’t do.

    • Peggy says

      Dec 31, 2016 at 12:28 am

      Thank you very much. You are an example of a true gentleman.

      • Daniel Triplett says

        Jan 2, 2017 at 12:57 pm

        Thanks Peggy.

        And a fine example of a lady and war fighter you are as well.

  24. Daniel Triplett says

    Dec 30, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    The only way for the UK to survive is to put the dangerous Dhimmi fool Charles out to pasture and place William on the throne ASAP.

    I have a lot of respect for William and Harry. They both wanted to fight on the front lines for their country. Harry actually did until word got to the enemy, and Harry became target #1. Yet he wanted to stay with his men anyway. His superiors had to drag him off the field to send him back home: An order about which he was quite upset.

    William, due to his succession wasn’t allowed near the front lines: An order about which he was quite upset as well. But he became a Search and Rescue (SAR) helicopter pilot. And let me tell you, as a war vet myself, SAR pilots have enormous balls. Their mission is to fly into hostile airspace to rescue friendlies who are surrounded by bad guys with weapons that can shoot helicopters out of the sky.

    William and Harry have fought Muslims, and know the Islamic objective.

    William is much better suited to be the UK Monarch than Charles. The British (and Americans) adore him and Catherine as well.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 30, 2016 at 7:16 pm

      I very much agree with you about William and Harry. I would love to see the succession pass Charles by entirely.

    • Peggy says

      Dec 31, 2016 at 12:32 am

      Unfortunately accession to the throne doesn’t skip a generation.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 31, 2016 at 12:41 am

        Yes, Peggy–I know this. If, say, health issues took Charles out of the running, I would not be sad.

        • Peggy says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 4:34 am

          Do mental health issues count?
          The guy said he wanted to be a tampon. That should be enough to disqualify him.

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 10:22 am

          And the way he treated Diana was disgraceful.

          Jeez, give the man the moon, and all he wants are the stars.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 31, 2016 at 3:03 pm

          All true, Peggy and Daniel.

  25. Peggy says

    Dec 31, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    Daniel said:

    Perhaps you, Peggy, and all of us would be better served if we re-aimed our guns outside the tent toward the 1.6 Billion Muslims who are deadly serious about raping our wives and daughters in front of us, before sawing off our heads with a dull blade, then moving into our homes to conquer our civilization.
    ————————————–
    I do that. I never give Islam a break and don’t engage in any hostility towards anyone who disagrees with me or who I disagree with. Have you ever seen any of my posts where I have hit back at someone whose post I didn’t like? I will reply, as always, in a decent manner.
    Daniel, you said you don’t know our history and cannot pick side. I don’t expect you to nor have I ever asked anyone to take Angemon on. I have cautioned against it because of my own experience with him.
    Even just this story here alone can open your eyes at what I have been dealing with for a long time. Take a look at all the accusations of lies and hostility Angemon makes against me when I am trying to stay away from him. He is clearly trying to pull me into another long hostile argument.
    Whether you believe it or not this is how all this hostility began. It was those responses to my posts where he simply would not stop badgering me until I got so angry that I let him have it and then he blamed me for being nasty to his and asking him to stop being nasty to me.
    Please go back as long as you want and take notice of my posts and his posts and see why starts on who.
    Now again, I don’t care who respects him or me or who doesn’t but I simply want to get the truth out there one more time because I am sick of him accusing me of behaviour he exhibits.

    If I asked you to please stop replying to my posts because I didn’t trust your replies were in good faith and I will stay away from yours, would you or would you say you have the right to carry on as you wish. I can choose not to reply to his comments on my posts and just simply let him say whatever he wants without being challenged. I am trying to do that exact thing now. Hopefully he will get sick of engaging me and stop. Somehow I doubt it.
    Yes, I have called him an idiot, nasty and a bully but frankly his hostility towards me warrants it.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 31, 2016 at 9:27 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “I do that. I never give Islam a break and don’t engage in any hostility towards anyone who disagrees with me or who I disagree with. Have you ever seen any of my posts where I have hit back at someone whose post I didn’t like? I will reply, as always, in a decent manner.”

      Lol! “Decent manner”? Is that what you call lying about people you don’t like? I made you one simple question in this topic, and you wrote several posts with nothing but libellous lies about me. Where’s the decency in that? Not only that, you have the gall to claim that me defending myself from your libel is me being “hostile” for no reason.

      “Daniel, you said you don’t know our history and cannot pick side. I don’t expect you to nor have I ever asked anyone to take Angemon on. I have cautioned against it because of my own experience with him.”

      This is a blatant lie. Here’s what you told DFD on this very topic:

      Don’t engage with Angemon. …

      (…)

      This is personal and no matter what I write he will find a way to make it look like I don’t know what I am talking about. It is a real surprise to me that he has left my posts alone for a few days. Maybe he was asked to back off by the moderators.

      In any way, if you engage with him, especially in support of me you will be his next target.

      I asked you to point to one instance where that happened. You haven’t done that because you can’t, because it never happened. You’re lying, plain and simple. gravenimage, for example, supported you, and I’m certain she can vouch I never “made her my next target”, or whatever it is you accused me.

      Your so-called “own experience” with me only exists in your mind, since you keep accusing me of things I never did.

      “Even just this story here alone can open your eyes at what I have been dealing with for a long time. Take a look at all the accusations of lies and hostility Angemon makes against me when I am trying to stay away from him. He is clearly trying to pull me into another long hostile argument.”

      Well, you’re right on the regard that what happened so far is a micro-cosmos of your interactions with me. I made you one simple question, giving you the opportunity to expand on the assertion you made. Your response? A barrage of posts with nothing but libellous lies about me, a seemingly unending effort to deride and undermine me, going as far as outright telling others not to engage with me. There’s hostility galore, all coming form you, and the so-called “accusations” of lies are not accusations since they’re statements of fact. You said a series of things about me which I denied because they’re false. If you say things that you know to be false, you’re lying, plain and simple, and saying that you’re lying when you’re lying is not “hostility”, it’s just a statement of fact.

      “Whether you believe it or not this is how all this hostility began.”

      It began from you when I asked you about something you wrote. As it can be seen on this topic.

      “It was those responses to my posts where he simply would not stop badgering me until I got so angry that I let him have it and then he blamed me for being nasty to his and asking him to stop being nasty to me.”

      Can you provide an example of this alleged “badgering”? Oh, and why are you blaming me for your nastiness? “I got so angry that I let him have it and then he blamed me for being nasty to his”. If you have anger management issues to talk to a psychiatrist. Being nasty with people on-line is not a replacement for that.

      “Please go back as long as you want and take notice of my posts and his posts and see why starts on who.”

      Let’s see: I made you a perfectly valid question about something you wrote. Your response involves 5 posts (at least so far) where you engage in nothing but senseless, libellous accusations about me. Hmmm, I wonder who is conducting themselves in a “respectful” manner?…

      “Now again, I don’t care who respects him or me or who doesn’t but I simply want to get the truth out there one more time because I am sick of him accusing me of behaviour he exhibits.”

      Can you name one example of this? Of course you can’t – this is just projection.

      “If I asked you to please stop replying to my posts because I didn’t trust your replies were in good faith and I will stay away from yours, would you or would you say you have the right to carry on as you wish.”

      If I asked you, as I have on numerous occasions, to stop your gratuitous insults to me and instead address the points I raised would you do so? I mean, this time?

      “I can choose not to reply to his comments on my posts and just simply let him say whatever he wants without being challenged. I am trying to do that exact thing now.”

      You don’t reply to my posts (virtue signalling!), you simply go around telling nasty lies about me to others, and somehow I am not supposed to defend myself from your vicious libel because you asked me not to reply to your posts. Not going to happen. You lie about me, I have the right to defend myself. And lies and slander abound when you’re challenged on something you say.

      “Hopefully he will get sick of engaging me and stop. Somehow I doubt it.”

      Again: you go around telling nasty lies about me to others, and somehow I am not supposed to defend myself from your vicious libel because you asked me not to reply to your posts? Not going to happen. You lie about me, I have the right to defend myself. Same as everyone else here. Or maybe you’re saying that you’ll keep your propaganda against me running if I have the gall – the unmitigated gall! – of asking you about something you wrote to the point where won’t question anything you say, no matter how outlandish, out of fear of your reaction. It’s a plausible deduction, especially seeing how you badgered site staff into giving you that special status. If that’s the case, then it’s not going to work. I never caved in to bullies, so go ahead – do your worse. Keep lying about me at every chance you have and see how many people you can fool, and for how long.

      “Yes, I have called him an idiot, nasty and a bully but frankly his hostility towards me warrants it.”

      And there it is – you talk high and mighty about conducting oneself in a respectful manner and being polite to others, but somehow you seem to always have a justification for insulting me. You always seem to find an excuse to engage in the exact same behaviour you falsely accuse me of. Well, I say “an excuse” but it actually is “one excuse”, seeing how it’s always the same – somehow I “asked for it”, or “deserved it”, or “warrant it”. Hypocrisy, thy name is Peggy! What did I say on this topic to”warrant” your December 29, 2016 at 7:25 pm post? Or any of your other smear pieces? Where’s the alleged “hostility” you say you’re responding to?

      BTW, you would never vote for Trump, would you? I mean, he is openly and unapologetically belligerent, hostile and abrasive, and said several things about certain individuals that are not nice, to say the least. Going by your own logic and standards, you not only would not vote for him but you’d also publicly shame him in the same way you’re trying to publicly shame me.

      • Keith Gilbert says

        Dec 31, 2016 at 9:30 pm

        Enough already!

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Jan 2, 2017 at 1:56 pm

          Definitely.

          I’ve offered my advice, but apparently the animus here is too strong for my words.

          This is sad. Let it go.

          Focus on the enemy. That’s why we’re all here: To study the enemy and determine how to quickly and efficiently destroy it.

          If you can’t shake hands so to speak, over the Internet, then perhaps you both ought best ignore each other and stop corresponding.

          After weeks of pointless fighting, I myself have had to do that with at least five others on jihadwatch.org over the years. It works.

          May The Lord and peace be with you both.

  26. Peggy says

    Dec 31, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    gravenimage says

    December 31, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    Of course you have the right to draw your own conclusions, Peggy. I never implied otherwise.
    ————————————————–
    Apologies if I made is seem like you are the one opposed to people having opinions. I don’t mean that and I have said that you have always been respectful.
    I was just throwing it out there but should have perhaps done it as a separate post.

    GI, you and I can disagree sometimes but I do value the fact that you don’t reply to something you disagree with by way of belittling my contribution.

  27. Peggy says

    Jan 2, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    Daniel:

    If you can’t shake hands so to speak, over the Internet, then perhaps you both ought best ignore each other and stop corresponding.
    ———————–
    I am trying to do that. As you can see he’s not making it easy.

    Thank you for your concern.

    • Angemon says

      Jan 2, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “I am trying to do that. As you can see he’s not making it easy.”

      How terrible of me, calling a spade a spade and using the right of response to rebut your smears and lies.

      You say you want to shake hands? Fine – show it by retracting the lies you wrote about me, one by one, apologize and promise to never do it again.

      Your turn, Peggy – are you going to act in accordance with what you wrote?

  28. Johnathan Ashworth says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 11:47 am

    I note when the Islamic community, give a donation, admittedly to Muslims in other areas, the press will use the Muslim/ Islamic Community, when they do anything which is reprehensible it is Asian men. Call it how it is. Muslim, and Islamic men. The names will tell you, although I think to most English white people anyone with a brown skin is a P*ki! They are Muslims, they actually offer a reward under Kalifa 786, and living close the multitude of Mosques, a dozen in total in 0.3 miles within each other, where the City Council thought it better to give this vocal and violent community what they want so they would make the same demands anywhere near where the Planning committee live. Like Mrs Thatcher they have decided to write off certain parts, and with MPs who love the block vote of Muslims, even when they violate the coronation Oath and statues Be advised these are Muslim men, praying on non Muslim women. The leaflet I got in the post was that a Sikh and Hindu girl if I make them convert was £1800, (prices right 1992), a white Christian Girl £800 and a black girl who was Christian was £50.

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