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UK: Muslim singer’s family gets death threats from Muslims for photo of their Christmas tree

Dec 10, 2016 4:19 pm By Robert Spencer

Here is a ruling from IslamQA:

The Christmas tree is one of the symbols of the Christian festival and celebration; this is why it is named for Christmas. It is said that it was first officially used as a symbol in this manner in the sixteenth century in Germany, in the Cathedral of Strasbourg in 1539 CE.

It is not permissible to imitate the kuffaar in any of their acts of worship, rituals or symbols, because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4031; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 5/109

So it is not permissible to put up this tree in a Muslim house even if you do not celebrate Christmas, because putting up this tree comes under the heading of imitating others that is haraam, or venerating and showing respect to a religious symbol of the kuffaar….

“Zayn Malik’s family receive ‘disgusting’ death threats – over a CHRISTMAS TREE,” by Jerry Lawton, Daily Star, December 10, 2016:

THE family of Zayn Malik got death threats from Muslim fanatics after his teen sister tweeted a photo of a Christmas tree.

The extremists accused the family of “insulting Islam” and warned of “retribution”.

Former One Direction singer Zayn celebrates Christmas as well as Muslim festivals such as Eid because he hails from a dual-faith family.

While dad Yaser follows Islam, mum Trisha was born a Christian.

But after sister Safaa posted a snap of the tree at their home in Bradford, West Yorks, she was blitzed with vile comments.

They branded the family’s celebration of Christmas “an insult to Islam” and said they were “a disgrace to the faith”.

They also made sinister threats to the Maliks….

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  1. Julia says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Is there nothing sacred in our new world of Muslim hate and cruelty? I absolutely am on Andrew’s side. Unforftunatlely, we have the weak and gutless in our midst who will bow down to this disgraceful behaviour. Merry Christmas to all those of us in this difficult world. Do not let these barbarians get a foothold into our beliefs.

  2. no_one says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Who is the real bigot now?

    • CrossWare says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 6:53 pm

      Obviously it’s Donald Trump’s fault! Also here in Canada now snowing in Vancouver which is also his fault!

      • Oliver says

        Dec 10, 2016 at 7:30 pm

        If one were to ask the Swedish Foreign Minister, I am sure that she would say Israel and P. M. Bibi’s fault.

        If asked Obama, George W Bush’s fault.

        After all, isn’t everything wrong in this world because of Israel and George Bush?

  3. Westman says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Threats from Muslims only reinforces the world’s negative view of Islam and brings “disgrace to the faith” of Islam. It must come from the knuckle-dragging segment of Islam; no intelligent believer would think this promotes Islam. Would he?

    Feel free to chime in here, CAIR, MSA, or Muslim Brotherhood. We’re listening.

    • Bob says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 9:48 am

      Westman – the whole of islam is a disgrace!!

      • Musalmaanmasala says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 1:01 pm

        Check this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B71sarBUF8Y

  4. Oliver says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    While I agree with the above comments, I ask the followign:

    who cares if you have or don’t have a Xmas tree?

    Why tweet it?

    Just like, why (unless one is in politics or a business where one has to reach many people) do people tween or post on FB personal matters?

    If one wants someone to know, call them or send a personal email–don’t have to notify the entire world.

    (I am not on Facebook-I opened an account some years ago-like 5 or 6- and never been back; and not on tweeter or whatever it is called. I see no reason to tell the world what I ate for breakfast, or dinner last night, or whatever-as i don’t care what the people who post this stuff did).

    (I once, briefly, belonged to what was supposed to be a discussion group. It turned into recipes and what each one had to eat, and if they liked it-nothing about topics – that it claimed to discuss. I quit),.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 6:59 pm

      Oliver wrote:

      While I agree with the above comments, I ask the followign:

      who cares if you have or don’t have a Xmas tree?

      Why tweet it?

      Just like, why (unless one is in politics or a business where one has to reach many people) do people tween or post on FB personal matters?

      If one wants someone to know, call them or send a personal email–don’t have to notify the entire world…
      ………………………………..

      I was only only on Facebook briefly, and do not Tweet, either.

      But–with respect, Oliver–this is entirely beside the point.

      Anyone should shave the right to tell their friends, or their “Facebook friends”, or anyone who follows their Tweets, that they have a Christmas tree–or what they had for breakfast that morning–without fear of Mohammedans calling for their death.

      This is a freedom of speech matter–it does not matter whether you are a personal fan of Facebook or Twitter or any kind of social media.

      What these Muslims are doing is imposing Shari’ah, and doing it with threat of death–surely you consider that more of a threat than people Tweeting about how great the frittata is at the local cafe?

      • Oliver says

        Dec 10, 2016 at 7:25 pm

        Graven–I too beleive in freedom of speech. And, i do not beleive that people should be threatened (or killed) for espousing their views ( not killed – but people should be liable for slander/libelous matters–not involved here).

        I ( again, non Christian, don’t
        follow Christmas- except as necessary to in my life, see nothing wrong with it. But why tell everybody? Does anybody ( other than, perhaps, family and friends) really care.

        AND MOST IMPORTANT– SHOULD ANYONE CARE???

        I think that those who sent the death threats, etc- are wacko, and have no life.

        Imposing Sharia-? Well, the family does (even, if possibly in a half assed way-as being half Muslim, half Christian) follow Islam. And, would that not be that they sort of follow some Sharia?

        Could this be another case-the singer needs more publicity? A phony crime?

        I don’t know. I just cannot see this as a major issue.

        (The rapes of underage girls-yes; corruption, yes; this-to me, no).

        I appreciate your comments, and respect them

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 10, 2016 at 8:42 pm

          Oliver wrote:

          I think that those who sent the death threats, etc- are wacko, and have no life.
          ……………………………..

          Oliver, you may not be aware that Muslims regularly slaughter others for practicing *anything* they deem “un-Islamic”. You cannot assume these are all empty threats.

          More:

          Imposing Sharia-? Well, the family does (even, if possibly in a half assed way-as being half Muslim, half Christian) follow Islam. And, would that not be that they sort of follow some Sharia?
          ……………………………..

          As long as they are not harming others, I don’t much care what this family does. What *is* a concern is for Muslims to threaten others for something that is entirely legal in the civilized world.

          More:

          Could this be another case-the singer needs more publicity? A phony crime?
          ……………………………..

          Your apparent belief that it is not plausible that Muslims would kill for such a thing is, I’m afraid, mistaken. Here’s one such story:

          “UK: Muslim wishes Christians happy Easter, is murdered by other Muslim”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/uk-muslim-wishes-christians-happy-easter-is-murdered-by-other-muslim-in-religiously-prejudiced-attack

          More:

          I don’t know. I just cannot see this as a major issue.
          ……………………………..

          I consider Muslims threatening to murder others for not adhering to Shari’ah *very* major.

          And you may believe you are not a target because you are not Christian–but Muslims murderously target Agnostics and Atheists as well, I’m afraid:

          “Muslim cleric calls for genocide of Jews and atheists”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/muslim-cleric-calls-for-genocide-of-jews-and-atheists

          More:

          (The rapes of underage girls-yes; corruption, yes; this-to me, no).
          ……………………………..

          With all respect, I consider threats of murder just as serious.

          More:

          I appreciate your comments, and respect them
          ……………………………..

          As do I with yours, Oliver. Be well, and thanks for your reply.

        • Carolyne says

          Dec 11, 2016 at 10:22 am

          Threatening to murder someone because they have a Christmas tree is a serious matter, indeed. I don’t understand why anyone puts every detail of their lives on the internet, via Facebook, no Muslim nor anyone else has the right to tell them not to nor do they have the right to threaten them with death .

          To say they shouldn’t is to surrender to the Barbarian Muslims. I don’t surrender. I will say and do whatever I please so long as it is legal and I don’t give a f**k if some uncivilized Muslim likes it or not. The First Amendment guarantees that I can do that. I will never surrender.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 11, 2016 at 9:59 pm

          Agree, Carolyne!

      • Ted Tyler says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 12:31 pm

        It is interesting to note that Atheists have reached sufficient status so that Islamic fundamentalists can group Atheists with other groups such as Christians, Jews, and everyone else who is not a Muslim. It is also refreshing to see that some of the atheist publications are beginning to realize that Islam is a significant threat to our freedom of speech.

        In the December 2016/January 2017 issue of “Free Inquiry” magazine, Tom Flynn had the courage to publish the cartoon that resulted in the death of the Jordanian blogger Nahed Hattar. https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/8297

        We need everyone to get on board to promote freedom of speech and abolish blasphemy laws.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 11, 2016 at 10:02 pm

          Yes–*all* Infidels are at threat from Islam, religious or not.

    • BC says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 4:03 am

      My position exactly, I think social media is the worst thing about the internet and is a curse on humanity
      The best thing is to keep the lowest profile possible. People talk far too much anyway and it is mostly drivel

      • Carolyne says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 10:26 am

        How could you possible hold the position that Muslims or anyone else can control what you say or do? The fact that they want to is reason enough to put up a Christmas tree, draw a cartoon of Mohammed, or speak out against this vile “Religion.”

      • Oliver says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 9:11 pm

        Concerning what is put out etc-not necessarily connected to the Muslims or this post.

        Back in the early 1980’s, for a few years, i did some work for a friend of mine, who was a criminal defense attorney.

        One day, he introduced me to a client- the man was about 5’8″ or so in height, and weighed over 300 pounds. To put it mildly, he was fat.

        he was a cat burglar, and fast and light on his feet.

        He read every newspaper in the three counties that he worked (?) in- daily-

        i asked what he read.

        his answer: SOCIETY PAGES AND OBITUARIES AND FUNERAL NOTICES.

        So, he would know when the houses would be vacant. (He would case the area first, to be sure, etc).

        Imagine what he could do with all the stuff on FB, etc-

        one (of many) reasons I don’t use it. or much of any social media

        My views and observations.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 10:05 pm

        “Social media” *is* often quite vapid–but do you *really* consider it more of a scourge than violent Jihad?

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 4:05 pm

      To everyone here who avoids Facebook and is advising to keep a low profile- I disagree, completely. The opposite should be done and I’ll explain why-

      As most of us know, the Left, despite suffering some recent losses, is fairly powerful and influential in the west. They are especially influential in urban areas. London, UK, for example, has elected a Muslim mayor. The results of latest US elections show that urban US (NY, Chicago, Seattle, SF, etc) all voted Democrat. Many states where Trump won, he won only by a small margin.

      But the question arises that how did the Left become so influential? Well it did not happen overnight; it has been a long-term project of theirs. Slowly and steadily they have fed a diet of leftist ideas to the society and this steady diet IS what has caused the urbanites to become “liberals” and “progressives” (do you notice how they use cool sounding words to label their ideologies). Also, ever since Facebook came along, it has been a cake in the park for the Left to indoctrinate people with their ideology because of the platform’s ability to connect large numbers of people.

      The non-Left too has tried to propagate their ideas on social media but have not have much success. We have all heard of people who ended up being called racists and bigots, by the very people who we tried to inform and educate. Many of us have lost our FB accounts. So that too raises a question: What is it that we have been doing wrong and what is it that the Left has done different?

      Answer: The left has kept an active and lively persona. If you go to a party, and there are one or two people there who tell you all about their job, their friends, and the vacation that they went to, show you pictures, and get you the next beer before even you noticed that you were running low, chances are that you are going to remember them even if they were a little annoying. Nobody remembers the guy who kept a low profile nor does one remember what he said. This is how humans are. We have built in biases towards active and lively people.

      It is the same case with Facebook (and Instagram, etc). Go and take a look at any of your liberal friend’s FB page. Chances are that s/he frequently posts pictures and updates of what s/he did over the last few days. Well, that is what I saw on the pages of my FB friends.

      But that is not all that I saw. Besides posting interesting bits about their daily lives, they share memes and pages that highlight a message, or someone’s success or pains. A page called “Humans of New York” is very popular on Facebook and is shared a lot. In addition, if the friend him/herself participated in some volunteer activity, they post updates about it. A “progressive” cousin of mine who volunteers for a refugee shelter posts material every time they achieve something. Other times he posts about the experiences of these refugees. (Note: He does it in addition to posting material about his personal life.)

      The bottomline is that such social-media activity IS what makes people “active and lively”. This is what conditions people to listen to your other messages that they might otherwise not be interested in or will reject on the spot. To be active and lively is the very foundation before one can get to the next step of disseminating political and ideological messages and have any chance of success. My liberal leaning friends clearly know all this and follow this procedure. Not surprisingly, they all have hundreds of FB friends and chances are that your liberal friends do too!

      We need to do the same if we are to have any chance of taking our societies back from the Left. Do not be fooled by recent Donald Trump win. This is only temporary. The Left can easily win the next elections because their efforts at keeping people indoctrinated are as strong as before and those efforts will certainly produce results…..
      ….. unless we compete, and compete hard.

      So I strongly suggest that you open a Facebook account if you don’t have one already, and start posting your pictures and other updates. If you bought a [new or used] car, post a picture with the smiling you standing next to it. Is it snowing? Post a picture with you and kids making a snowman. Did your dog do something cute? Did you volunteer for a charity event at the Church? Pictures please! What did you eat for breakfast? Where did you go for dinner? Tell the world everything and post pictures as proof. No I am not joking; This is what you have to do to have an active/lively persona. (Just don’t show people the same old breakfast dish every day.)

      And of course, post a picture of your Christmas tree all lit up and decorated! Let that picture be the beginning of the end of Left’s control over our societies. 🙂

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 10:06 pm

        Also, Donald Trump regularly Tweets.

  5. Vikram Chatterjee says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    This smells to me like a Muslim plot to subtly threaten the Christians in Britain.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 7:54 pm

      The Brits are apparently incapable of sensing a threat. After all, liberalism *is* the greatest form of stupidity in human history.

  6. Eigil says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Its just another pagan symbol that’s been incorporated into another faith, like Islam didn’t copy anything from the other “peoples of the book”

  7. Peter d'Aoust says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    This may seem an irrelevant comment, but last night I was at a performance of The Nutcracker Suite ballet; as I was watching so much beauty and harmless good cheer it occurred to me that these humourless, bronze-age barbarians would love to destroy this. It made me sad and quite angry. If we actually understood the glories of our Western civilisation and stopped hating them – for no good reason or because we have been lied to – we would be up in arms. Our governments have ill-educated us and kept us stupid.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 7:07 pm

      This is not irrelevant at all, Peter. The Christmas season is one of charity, joy, and goodwill. There is *nothing* like it in Islam.

      Glad you enjoyed the Nutcracker Suite–I’ve taken in the performance in San Francisco many times; it is lovely.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      Our governments have ill-educated us …

      Don’t blame our elites, they’re ill educated themselves. Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Oxford, Cambridge, the Heidelberg U… the list of mental cripple factories goes on. And busloads of these idiots take their place on top of us every year.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 10:39 am

      The Nutcracker Suite is glorious. It’s music lifts one’s heart. But as Ayatollah Khomeini said, “There is no fun in Islam.”

      The Alarmed Pig Farmer listed several institutes of “Higher” learning and included Heidelberg U. It reminded me of the beautiful music in “The Student Prince.” Only an operetta, but such beautiful music. Muslims wouldn’t like it, though. They like nothing beautiful, joyous or uplifting.

      I do not think they are human.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 10:11 pm

        Here’s Tchaikovsky’s beautiful Nutcracker Suite, performed by the Berlin Symphony Orchestra–perfect listening for this Christmas season:

  8. Byzantium1683 says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    The first paragraph of the ruling was surprisingly well-crafted and knowledgeable. Then it went to shit…

    • Byzantium1683 says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      Forgot to mention, funny that this involves Zayn Malik. So much for representing The moderate majority lol. Hope he’s ok, nonetheless.

  9. Charles says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    “Warned the family of insulting islam”.
    What a joke!
    Islam has been a STENCH in the very nose of God, since Satan began the CULT!
    Islam is and continues to be “An Insult” to the very HUMANITY of every living, breathing person on this Earth!
    Islam is like a horrific CANCER, that once allowed to develop, is always FATAL!
    “INSULT ISLAM”???????
    IMPOSSIBLE!
    Islam IS AN INSULT!

  10. gravenimage says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    UK: Muslim singer’s family gets death threats from Muslims for photo of their Christmas tree
    ……………………………

    Damn barbarians. There is no joy or gladness in Islam.

    I hope Zayn Malik and his family stay safe–and I hope they think about this, and consider what their appalling faith really teaches, and consider alternatives.

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 1:49 pm

      ”I hope they think about this, and consider what their appalling faith really teaches, and consider alternatives.”

      That would be good, graven, but I think it more likely they’ll just reiterate, ”these are not real muslims, this is not real islam” and so on, ad nauseam. And all the dhimmis will nod their heads sagely.

      I must admit, also, I wonder exactly what motivated this girl to post the photo; she must have known this was a likely reaction. I know I’m a cynical old bat, but I do wonder if this was a two pronged ploy – one, ”see ? we muslims aren’t intolerant and hateful; we celebrate Christmas just like you, and we have a *Christian* in our family, and we let her practice her faith !” And two; ”well, see ? these ‘extremists’ are threatening *us*, and we’re muslims ! We’re victims !”

      • Oliver says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 9:18 pm

        Mirren–I agree mostly but-not being in Britain, nor even hearing of this guy- I have (I mentioned before) a third possibility.

        his career is waning (or has waned so much it is almost dead) and this gives him publicity-so his records (are they still made) or tapes or whatever will sell; possibly a nightclub appearance or two; or a television show..

        Perhaps, i am just being a cynic- but does not feel right to me. Although I am not a judge

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 10:26 pm

        Mirren, my guess is that this lax Muslim has been in such a bubble that he has forgotten what his foul creed actually calls for.

  11. Manny says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    I wonder how many Muslims would convert to Christianity if they were free to do so. It’s this enforcement by death threats that keeps a good many from converting.

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      ”It’s this enforcement by death threats that keeps a good many from converting.”

      So Quaradawi told us.

  12. Mac-101 says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Isn’t singer not allowed in Islam? Sounds like he got more trouble than just a Christmas Tree.

  13. gravenimage says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    And Zayn Malik has actually produced Christmas music with his band One Direction–doubly Haram:

  14. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Dec 10, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    I am having trouble making sense of a quote from Muhammad (pbuh) which is cited in the linked-to fatwa on IslamQA: “There is no person whom Allaah puts in charge of others, and when he dies he is insincere to his subjects, but Allaah will forbid Paradise to him.”

    Allaah never puts one person in charge of others? How this assertion to be reconciled with Quran 4:34, “Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth.”? And if Allaah never put Muhammad (pbuh) in charge anyone else, where does his authority over the ummah come from? Did he just usurp it?

    In the rest of this passage, when *who* dies? How is this dead “he” insincere to his subjects? Has something been garbled here? The source of this quote is Al-Bukharri 7151 and Muslim 142.
    I’m glad that the ulema monitors Jihad Watch; a kind, dawah-minded imam will be glad to give us an exegesis of this hadith.

    • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

      Dec 10, 2016 at 9:34 pm

      Correction: How *is* this assertion to be reconciled with Quran 4:34 ?

    • Jack Diamond says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      The context of the quote is exactly the responsibility of those put in charge, a shepherd over his flock…or, parents over their children: “What the parents must do is protect their children and keep them away from what is haraam.” Or from another Islam Q&A reference: “parents have to understand that Allaah has given them responsibility over their children, and they have to fulfil the trust as Allaah has enjoined in the Qur’aan. The Sunnah also confirms this command in many saheeh ahaadeeth (authentic traditions). The texts of the Revelation also warn the one who does not look after his flock sincerely and who neglects the trust with which Allaah has entrusted him.

      It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yasaar al-Muzani said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “There is no person whom Allaah puts in charge of others, and when he dies he is insincere to his subjects, but Allaah will forbid Paradise to him.”

      As to the authority given Muhammad: s. 4:65 “they can have no Faith until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” 33:36 “It is not for a believer , man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has indeed strayed into plain error.”

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      ”I am having trouble making sense of a quote from Muhammad (pbuh) which is cited in the linked-to fatwa on IslamQA: “There is no person whom Allaah puts in charge of others, and when he dies he is insincere to his subjects, but Allaah will forbid Paradise to him.”

      Just part and parcel of the whole crappy way this rubbish is put together and written.

      The quote is saying ( I think 🙂 )that if the person whom ‘allah’ has put in charge of others, reneges on his duties or is insincere to them when he dies, he won’t get to go to paradise and have all those virgins.

    • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      Thank you, Jack Diamond, for your diligent effort to make sense of this scripture. You say, “The texts of the Revelation also warn the one who does not look after his flock sincerely and who neglects the trust with which Allaah has entrusted him.” But this reference to flocks contradicts this hadith, which says that Allaah never puts anybody in charge of a flock of other people: “There is no person whom Allaah puts in charge of others, and when he dies he is insincere to his subjects, but Allaah will forbid Paradise to him.” And I still don’t know who this dying “he” is supposed to be. This makes me sympathetic to Mirren10’s view that it’s bootless to try to make sense of “the whole crappy way this rubbish is put together and written.” Let’s wait for an ulema minion to step in and make everything as clear as the Quran claims to be.

  15. Know Thy Enemy says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 2:30 am

    From IslamQA: “….the Prophet said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them”…….putting up [the Christmas tree] comes under the heading of imitating others that is haraam, or venerating and showing respect to a religious symbol of the kuffaar….”

    Muhammad venerated and respected the black stone at Kaaba. However, doing so was a ritual of the kuffaar (polytheistic Meccans, in this case).

    To any Muslims reading this: Muhammad was clearly one of them idol-worshiping kuffaar! So ditch Islam and become Hindus, and be quick about it. Hindus too worship black stones but they usually know who/what the black stone represents, and they know why they worship it.

    Muhammad otoh imitated the polytheists without knowing ANYTHING. Don’t trust him, Muslims! He is one of THEM! Dump him and dump him fast!

  16. Jerome C. Borden says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 2:39 am

    I wonder how exited those followers of the “religion of peace” would be if they knew about the origin of the Yule Tree? It’s Pagan roots predate Christianity but maybe not Judaism. So, have a happy holiday, folks.

    • Aton says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 5:10 am

      Actually, the Winter Solstice celebration WAS a Nazarene Judaic festival, before Josephus Flavius changed it, after the Jewish Revolt. And Jesus was, of course, a Nazarene.

      The primary symbol of Nazarene Judaism was the zodiac, as depicted here in the Judaic Hammat zodiac on the Sea of Galilee. And if you are going to venerate the zodiac, then you must venerate the equinox and solstice. You have to.

      [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/2iidht2.jpg[/IMG]
      http://i44.tinypic.com/2iidht2.jpg

      Aton

  17. Noel says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 3:21 am

    The Roman Catholic church celebrates the Festival of the Immaculate Conception on 8th of December, exactly 9 months before Jesus is reckoned to have been born – 8th of September.
    Christmas, as most of you will already know, has nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity. It was originally Yuletide, a mid-winter festival – renamed at a time when you had to be a Christian or pretend to be one if you wanted to stay alive. A bit like Islam in this present day.

    • Ginger says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 11:48 am

      Don’t you mean the Annunciation by the angel Gabriel that Mary was with child, celebrated on 25 March, nine months before 25 December, and known historically as Lady Day?
      The Catholic dogma of the Immaculate Conception asserts that Mary was without the stain of original sin at the moment she was conceived – the only human being ever.

      • Musalmaanmasala says

        Dec 11, 2016 at 12:54 pm

        I was about to but then saw your post. Ginger thanks for correcting Noel.
        If you were muslim you would have issued a threat to Noel that what he posted was “blasphemy” and “haram” in Islam and so should be decapitated.
        lol

    • Jack Diamond says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      In defense of Christmas–

      The celebration of the birth of Christ on the 25th goes back to the earliest records of the Church fathers,
      such as the Apostolic Constitution and is considered to originate with practice of the Apostles. It has always corresponded to what our calendar calls December (not September) and has nothing to do with appropriating pagan festivals centuries later.

      http://www.dec25th.info/pdf%20books/Theanthropos%202010.pdf

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      I don’t think it matters in this context whether Jesus was born on December 25 or not, nor whether Christmas trees have roots in Judaism or not (pun intended).

      Celebrating the birth of the Savior is joyous, whether the date is strictly historically accurate or not. Celebrating such values as giving and the innocent joy of children are pretty great, as well. Many people celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday, and many Christians celebrate both the religious *and* secular aspects of Christmas–they do not contradict each other.

      *Both* of these aspects are considered Haram in Islam, and they are as apt to slaughter Infidels for celebrating *any* aspect of Christmas. How many churches have Muslims bombed on Christmas and Christmas Eve? How many Christmas Markets and malls have been attacked during the Christmas season?

  18. Benedict says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 4:20 am

    One could make the point that the Christmas tree has become the symbol of the abolition of Christmas itself. The protests from Muslims could be the final confirmation of this fact.

    If Christians really want to offend Muslims they should celebrate the Christmas narrative from the gospel of Luke.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 10:40 pm

      I’m sorry–the idea that putting up Christmas trees is a violent threat to a religious Christmas just as are death threats is just silly.

      No religious Christian need put up a tree if he feels it clashes with his beliefs.

      But Muslims are *not* just targeting secular aspects of Christmas:

      “Nigeria: Christians celebrate Christmas amid fear of Muslim church bombings”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/nigeria-christians-celebrate-christmas-amid-fear-of-muslim-church-bombings

  19. Dustin says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 4:31 am

    The cure for the death cult of Islam is Christianity

  20. Aton says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 5:00 am

    This is one reason why Assad and his Alawites were so persecuted in Syria, before they were put into power by the French. They also celebrate the Haraam Christmas and Easter. But the media will not tell you that.

  21. Aton says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 5:11 am

    The Winter Solstice celebration WAS a Nazarene Judaic festival, before Josephus Flavius changed it, after the Jewish Revolt. And Jesus was, of course, a Nazarene.

    The primary symbol of Nazarene Judaism was the zodiac, as depicted here in the Judaic Hammat zodiac on the Sea of Galilee. And if you are going to venerate the zodiac, then you must venerate the equinox and solstice. You have to.

    http://i44.tinypic.com/2iidht2.jpg

    Aton

  22. Makenomistake says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 6:49 am

    What might be a better lesson as to the character of islam for that Muslim family ????
    Now the question is whether the family will take this lesson and DO something against this vile ideology to shun it for good (as they can do it in UK, hopefully ), or cower in to it with a pledge of never to commit such ‘haram’ again.
    Islam now stands strong in UK. Thanks to the weak posterity of John Bull,who have chosen to surrender to the islamic savages,as we see it now.

  23. FYI says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 7:11 am

    Please let the authorities find the culprit and perhaps accidently put them into a cell
    with an extremely islamophobic, violent,psychopathic,cannibalistic serial killer.

    leave a bottle of Chianti and some Fava beans.Throw in some unclean pigs for a laugh if you like.

    Then come back a week later……..

  24. Cretius says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 8:00 am

    Bottom line. Everything not Islamic is an affront to Islam. The useful idiots of the left in the West are willing to sacrifice their civilisation to accommodate Islam, a belief system that accommodates no other belief system. Islam is the very definition of intolerance and bigotry.

    Canada’s Criminal Code Section 296 See section (3)
    296. (1) Every one who publishes a blasphemous libel is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years
    · (2) It is a question of fact whether or not any matter that is published is a blasphemous libel.
    · (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section for expressing in good faith and in decent language, or attempting to establish by argument used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, an opinion on a religious subject.
    R.S., c. C-34, s. 260.

  25. terry bare says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 9:14 am

    islam is the most sick destructive ideology in the history of mankind.

  26. Gerald Mucci says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 9:26 am

    I would not be surprised if the Islamo-ignorant officials there turned a blind eye to the murder of the entire family by Muslims, declaring that the family “provoked” the Muslims to do what they did.

  27. Florida Jim says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 10:11 am

    Until they are deported and the Mosques and Imam’s investigated the charade will continue. If we are serious deport any muslim who follows Caliphate, Sharia, Jihad, Taqiyya and beheading all of which are anti-freedom and anti-civility.Hatred is taught on national TV and schools throughout the muslim world “hate Jews Hate Americans, hate everyone not of your sect” this is not a religion but a polityical philosophy of hatred why not send them back to the mideast hellhole from whi9ch they came?

  28. Angemon says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    Zayn Malik’s family receive ‘disgusting’ death threats – over a CHRISTMAS TREE

    “Religion of peace and tolerance”, they say…

    • LR says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      Every time something like this happens…death threats, nastiness from Muslims etc..All the local papers in BIG Bold letters could ask that Q…What happened to the ‘religion of peace’?…Along with arrests of course.

      Might as well throw it in their face…

  29. LR says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Well, it may not make anyone feel any better here…but, I know Muslims who might not get Christmas trees, but they have a lot of fun with their kids running around looking at the spectacular Christmas houses, celebrating Halloween, and celebrating all kinds of things ‘kafir’…They even let their kafir friends take the kids to Christmas plays!..so that’s fun and good…

    So, what is with the big pink bows? The funny thing is…this is the least ‘Christian’ looking Christmas tree I’ve ever seen…Doesn’t look like much more than a tree decorated by an overzealous ’50’s Barbie…

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 10:53 pm

      Yeah–the tree is fairly ugly, but I don’t think the death threats from these Muslim thugs have anything to do with aesthetics…nor that civilized people offer death threats over cheesy Christmas decorations.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Dec 12, 2016 at 12:37 am

        I know Muslims who get Christmas trees and have presents beneath them. They also like to drink alcohol. But they know very well they are hypocrites and bad Muslims. Not moderate Muslims, bad Muslims. Someday they plan on becoming good Muslims…

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 12, 2016 at 5:52 pm

          This is true, Jack–and unlike with Christians, just becoming a better Muslim is not enough to wipe out un-Islamic actions. This is one reason why many Jihadists were formally lax Muslims–Jihad is the only thing that can really get them square with “Allah” at that point…

    • somehistory says

      Dec 11, 2016 at 11:12 pm

      I agree with you about the *tree.* Big bows overwhelm the whole thing.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 12, 2016 at 6:05 pm

        Now I have to stand up for the right of people to have butt-ugly Christmas trees… 🙂

  30. LR says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    That reminds me!…

    If anyone hasn’t seen this clip from a few yrs. ago…here it is…

    The beautiful Aayan…and the happy news…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKToRDT5tYA

  31. Sam Kent says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    If this EVER happens in the US and I am still around, there are going to be in-your-face challenges thrown at the idiot Islamists and Progressives who are in bed with one another. This story is reprehensible, and someone over there across the pond should be shaking the hell out of the liberal establishment.

  32. rolf wittwer says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    Fact is: Islam never did, never will and never does contribute anything positive to the World community.
    The planet under intolerant islamic dictatorship would be hell on Earth!

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 12, 2016 at 6:07 pm

      So true, Rolf–no love, no joy, no justice.

  33. Peggy says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Communist countries don’t follow any religious events but people there still decorate a Christmas tree and buy presents and call it New Year’s tree.
    Unless there is something which refers to Jesus in those ornaments, it’s simply just a celebration without having any religious content as far as former Communist countries and some today are concerned.
    The ornaments are exactly the same.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year_tree

    Then there is this in Dubai.

    http://www.dubaiconfidential.ae/home-and-escape/the-christmas-decoration-warehouse/

    I was under the impression that SA has no Christians and any symbol not being Muslim is prohibited from being displayed.

    From what I can see in the photos there is nothing referencing Jesus so could all this be New Year’s decorations as well being passed off as Christmas decorations? The ornaments don’t differ.

    I don’t know what to think of that but it’s something to think about.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 12, 2016 at 6:15 pm

      Peggy, under Islam celebrating New Year is just about as Haram as is celebrating Christmas.

      “Somalia bans Christmas and New year celebrations, says they are ‘un-Islamic’”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/somalia-bans-christmas-and-new-year-celebrations-says-they-are-un-islamic

      “Malaysia: Muslim group calls for New Year’s celebrations to be canceled because they reflect Jewish culture”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/12/malaysia-muslim-group-calls-for-new-years-celebrations-to-be-canceled-because-they-reflect-jewish-cu

      And here is orthodox Shari’ah site Islam Q & A affirming that celebrating New Year’s–or even saying “same to you” who wishes a Muslim a Happy New Year–is Haram:

      https://islamqa.info/en/69811

      • Peggy says

        Dec 12, 2016 at 11:13 pm

        So what do you think is happening in Dubai?
        Why the decorations? Saudis are the strictest and spread Wahhabism.
        Are they trying to appear tolerant?

  34. somehistory says

    Dec 11, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    Each individual is endowed by our Creator with *free will* which means that each one is allowed by our Creator, God, to make whatever choices and He will deal with each one according to the choices.

    As for as putting stuff on the internet for all to see: if one shows their belongings, they are available for thieves to see and covet…perhaps to take.
    If one shows their young children, the children will be seen by those who *covet* the innocent children and who may take steps to carry out foul desires.

    If one does anything on the internet to say when they will be home, when they will be away, what they are doing, they open themselves up for someone taking advantage.

    But, these are a part of the choices each one makes. This girl, with a mother claiming Christianity…(why would she marry a moslim???) and a father who is moslim…(does he approve of his daughter’s behavior or would he see this as his *honor* being eroded and do something, blaming it on the tree and other moslims?)…
    posted a photo of a tree that other moslims saw as a *reason* to issue threats against her.
    It was her choice to post the photos, as it is the family’s choice to have the tree, and the mixed family….different religions in one family…

    Whatever a person chooses to do will offend someone. But moslims use whatever a person does…that one or more members of their organized criminal group doesn’t like… to say they need or deserve to be killed for doing it.

    Our Creator, Who gave every living human his/her life, has said that He will make all things right and He sent a Savior for that very reason…to save us. From ourselves and from those who wish to murder us…for whatever *reason* they choose.

    And we shouldn’t be afraid of what moslims will do so that we cease telling the truth. We just must all remain *smart* and intelligent in our choices.

    The Apostle Paul wrote, “Make sure of all things. Hold fast to that which is fine.”
    The Freedom of Speech we received from God, is a very fine thing to hold fast.

    • SamKent says

      Dec 12, 2016 at 8:52 am

      Thank you. So well said!

  35. SamKent says

    Dec 12, 2016 at 8:45 am

    What happened to the Jews, must NEVER happen again to any other group, be they Muslim, Jewish, Christian whatever– never, never again at any time in the future can such horrific tragedies be visited on mankind. These decent Muslims with the story about the Christmas tree were threatened by hard-core Islamic terrorists, or those who are would-be terrorists and murderers. The liberals in Europe are encouraging such behavior as the Christmas tree story by enabling the bad Muslims through phony hate laws, by political silence, by the repression of the news media in revealing the truth about refugee-related social unrest, and by their inaction in the face of injustice. Geert Wilders courageously spoke out against the reason for the social unrest taking place in the Netherlands. That unrest is a consequence of liberal blindness in letting too many Moroccans into the country without strict conditions. European leaders at least should have made it clear from the onset, and they should make it clear now, that in helping the refugees they expected in return that the refugees would respect Western values and any who violated those values would be returned to their homeland forthwith ! So simple, but liberal leaders like Andea Mercal are so brainless. The PM in Norway fortunately has taken precisely that stand. Sweden has failed, so one reads of chaos from the latter but not the former. Liberals need to confront such terrible realities and broadcast the truth, e.g. that no organization be it secular or religious has the right to threaten any human being, man, woman or child with the death penality for simply leaving that organization. Or, the killing of homosexuals. Or, the repression of woman. The deafening silence from the left on these issues, which I discover also in one-on-one debates with liberals, is tantamount, in my mind and I believe valid in the realm of reality, to tolerating the insensitivity and unfeeling inaction of those who denied at that time or now what transpired in the death camps of Auschwitz and all the other death camps across Poland and Germany. I see no difference in the mental processing between liberals with regard to the specific evils of Islam and the Nazis with regard to the haulocaust. To me liberals are like robots squeaking out phrases like “religious freedom” and “tolerance,” and they are totally oblivious to what the imagination might project for the future. There must be a unified front against evil. What happened in the 20th century must not happen in this century, yet we are on that very path. And yes, I very much hold liberals responsible for the potential and horrific catastrophe which could be visited on humanity at some point in the future. Liberals need to wake up!

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