Jihad Watch writer Christine Williams addressed the Canadian Institute for Jewish Research on November 20, 2016, on the Muslim persecution of Christians in the Middle East.
Jihad Watch writer Christine Williams addressed the Canadian Institute for Jewish Research on November 20, 2016, on the Muslim persecution of Christians in the Middle East.
underbed cat says
It is hard to wrap your mind around how effective the islamist propaganda has been, it definitely is marketing, misinformation campaign to deny the doctrine is rooted to periodic terrorism, terror groups by various names,massive migration slavery and the threats that silence the public by our own administration. The outreach to churches by the very enemy of the Christian churches, U.S.leaders, is the most dangerous but effective misinformation campaign until it is exposed and understood. Thank you Christine Williams for speaking out to inform.
Stephanie says
G E N O C I D E to A L L DISbelievers, if they don’t submit 9:29
Tafsir (explanation) 9:5 ‘Ayah of the Sword’, ‘… means, on the earth in general … This way, they will have no choice, but to die (mutilation 8:12, 47:4, 5:33) or embrace Islam, …’
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2581&Itemid=64
Gary says
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.” Jesus (Circa 33 A.D.)
Christianblood says
Dear Christine Williams, the West is NO friend for Christians. The West loves and adores islam and muslims, including muslim jihadists while they denigrate and demonize the victims of the global islamic jihad such as Christians and other minorities:
gravenimage says
The very decent and civilized Raymond Ibrahim is *not* calling for the West to be destroyed by ravening Muslims, as “Christianblood” is.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Watch Raymond’s video above again. He is exactly telling us how the anti-Christ Western media and academia who BTW, love islam and muslims, how they denigrate and demonize the victims of the global islamic jihad and how they deliberately propagandize for muslim jihadists while hiding the facts about the violent evil of the global islamic jihad and he is also giving you numerous examples of those facts. Watch him again:
Angemon says
Can you please point to the time stamps where Mr. Ibrahim says what you’re saying he does (that the Western media and academia are anti-Christ who love islam and muslims, etc.)? Thanks.
Christianblood says
Angemon
Watch the video closely in its entirety.
Angemon says
Timestamps, please. Either. Mr. Ibrahim says what you claim he does (that the Western media and academia are anti-Christ who love islam and muslims, etc.) and you can point to the respective time stamps or he doesn’t and you can’t. It’s not like I’m asking you to do something you’re physical, emotional or mentally incapable of doing: on another post here, and relating to another video, you say “Watch the first 3 minutes of her introductory statement at the start of the video“.
You did watch Mr. Ibrahim’s video, didn’t you? If so, time stamps, please. Thanks.
gravenimage says
I’ve seen this video twice now, and the erudite Raymond Ibrahim is talking about apathy and ignorance in the West over Jihad savagery, and the regrettable role of the media in this.
He never characterizes the media as “anti-Christ”, nor does he say they “love Islam”.
In fact, the media knows all too little about the texts and tenets of Islam.
And as I noted initially, Ibrahim is not calling for the destruction of the West. I could watch this video from now until doomsday, and would not find any such thing in it, because it is not there.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Raymond Ibrahim:
“U.S. State Dept. Invites Muslim Leaders, Denies Christians”
What does that mean, Graven? Does that mean love for Christians to you?
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/u-s-state-dept-invites-muslim-leaders-denies-christians/
gravenimage says
I said that Raymond Ibrahim does not say that the media is “anti-Christ” and that he is not calling for the destruction of the West in the video, and “Christianblood” responds to that by posting a completely different link that has has nothing whatsoever to do with the media.
He simply cannot prove what he claimed Ibrahim was saying, because it is not there.
As for the new link, this has to do with good American citizens acting to gain Iraqi Christian nun Sister Diana Momeka entry into the US.
Far from proving the apathy of the American public and their hatred for Christianity, it in fact proves *just the opposite*.
Republican Newt Gingrich also criticized the stance of the Obama White House, and worked to gain entry for Sister Momeka.
Raymond Ibrahim does enormously important work for the Anti-Jihad–but if “Christianblood” wants to find someone who supports his desire to see the West destroyed by invading Muslims, really, he will have to look elsewhere.
A Harris USA says
IF we do not destroy the savages, they will destroy us!!! Fighting about the details are a waste of energy… Contact your congress person, and tell them NOT to let Obama bring is 2000 rejects from Australia of Muslim refugees, that they fear may be to dangerous to let into their nation.. Obama is going to do as much as possible to inflict destruction on us until the door hits him in the ass… Christians, Jews and other PEACEFUL religions are of no interest to Obama.. That is why, when thousands are murdered in the name of Islam, there is no interest. THAT IS ISLAM!!! Always has been always will be.. In the name of what ever you believe in we must not fight over how to destroy the enemy, JUST do it!!!
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Dear Christine Williams, the West is NO friend for Christians.”
It’s not in the West that preaching the Gospel is a offence that can get you thrown into jail:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-russia-refuse-stop-sharing-the-gospel-despite-putins-ban-evangelism-167442/
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-leaders-arrested-russia-law-banning-evangelism-outside-churches-goes-into-effect-168852/
Plus, Miss Williams mentioned a sort of, let’s say, “playbook” used by the islamists, who keep going on and on about how allegedly terrible the West is while also keeping a very special hatred for Israel. Do you know someone here who acts like that, CB? Can you think of someone here who not only is always grasping at straws to find something to make the West look bad but also recently went after Israel, accusing them of being allied with ISIS? Can you, CB? Someone who fits that description? Someone whose presence here can be summed up to “anti-West, and now anti-Israel, bigotry”?
Christianblood says
Angemon
Iben Tharanhlom , a Danish expert of religion and a journalist:
(..The Western political and cultural elite has rejected faith in God and they are actually worshiping a kind of false religion, a kind of idol and they have created a sort of false religion which is liberal democracy..) Watch the first 3 minutes of her introductory statement at the start of the video:
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Iben Tharanhlom , a Danish expert of religion and a journalist: ”
According to whom? Last time you presented that video you talked about “Iben, a Danish Journalist”. Now Iben is suddenly an “expert of religion” as well? Some thing smells fishy in your little narrative…
Anyway, you’re not addressing what I said: It’s not in the West that preaching the Gospel is a offence that can get you thrown into jail:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-russia-refuse-stop-sharing-the-gospel-despite-putins-ban-evangelism-167442/
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-leaders-arrested-russia-law-banning-evangelism-outside-churches-goes-into-effect-168852/
Plus, Miss Williams mentioned a sort of, let’s say, “playbook” used by the islamists, who keep going on and on about how allegedly terrible the West is while also keeping a very special hatred for Israel. Do you know someone here who acts like that, CB? Can you think of someone here who not only is always grasping at straws to find something to make the West look bad but also recently went after Israel, accusing them of being allied with ISIS? Can you, CB? Someone who fits that description? Someone whose presence here can be summed up to “anti-West, and now anti-Israel, bigotry”?
gravenimage says
“Christianblood” wrote:
Angemon
Iben Tharanhlom , a Danish expert of religion and a journalist:
(..The Western political and cultural elite has rejected faith in God and they are actually worshiping a kind of false religion, a kind of idol and they have created a sort of false religion which is liberal democracy..)
……………………….
Your implication that Christians are being threatened in Dar-al-Islam by the “false religion” of liberal democracy is *quite* mistaken.
There is no democracy in the Islamic State–you do realize that Jihadists reject democracy even more vociferously than do Putin apologists, do you not?
Iben Tharanhlom’s claim that the purpose of democracy is the destruction of Christianity is absurd–it is, in fact, the tenets of Christianity: the Golden Rule, equality, fairness–that underlie modern democracy.
Her claim that Christians are persecuted under democracy just as they are under Islam is ridiculous, as well.
Firstly, mocking Christians is not a core part of democracy–the *right* to criticize a belief is a different matter–and mocking, while unpleasant, is not genocide, which is what is happening not under democracy, but under *Islam*.
Robert Spencer does not believe that civilized democracy is opposed to Christianity–he defends both, as do I.
And the idea that acting to keep Jihadists out of Europe is *anti-Christian*, as one of these pundits claims, is just absurd. Not wanting Muslims to rape and slaughter us is *not* anti-Christian.
The host, Peter Lavelle, then goes on to claim that Jihad in the Middle East is being waged by the West–which is clearly absurd. But this being Russian state tv, it does not entirely surprise.
Iben Tharanhlom then goes on to say that the US is have allied with ISIS in destroying Christianity, which is just ludicrous. The US itself is 83% Christian.
Not surprisingly, even Jeffrey Taylor considers this absurd. Christians are not being used as sex slaves in the US.
This segment covering the threat to Christians in the Middle East is praiseworthy–a lot of these absurd particulars are anything but.
Never mind that having an apologist for brutal, anti-Christian Communism promulgating this idiocy is absurd, as well.
Angemon says
“But this being Russian state tv, it does not entirely surprise.”
The same Russian state TV that’s now running smear pieces on President-Elect Donald Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3liu_Cx7Rd0
Remember what I said about tyrants testing the limits? Putin had some nice words to say about Trump in public, but the anti-American propaganda continue to flow nonetheless – and now is locked-on to Trump. And yet, I get talked down to by Russophiles when I say that Putin should show good faith and stop the anti-Western – especially anti-American – propaganda. I guess there’s no Russian word for “reciprocity”…
gravenimage says
Angemon, I also note that “Christianblood” decided to ignore your question about Christians being arrested for daring to preach the Gospel in Russia.
Certainly, things are not as bad in Russia as they were during the Communist period, but this is still *far* from being a free country.
Christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..Angemon, I also note that “Christianblood” decided to ignore your question about Christians being arrested for daring to preach the Gospel in Russia..)
Graven, in many Orthodox countries, Russia included, people look missionaries from the West with suspicion because locals think that they are converting people to foreign Churches that don’t share the Orthodox ways. Others suspect that these churches will destroy ancient Orthodox spirituality and replace it with the type of secular, moral relativist “Christianity” that dominates in the West today.
Usually the authorities don’t interfere into such as issues until there are other reasons such as permit issues, legal issues etc.
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Graven, in many Orthodox countries, Russia included, people look missionaries from the West with suspicion because locals think that they are converting people to foreign Churches that don’t share the Orthodox ways. ”
The man arrested in the case I pointed to was a *Orthodox* preacher who was preaching near a Jewish community. In any case, what does people in Russia suspecting foreign preachers has to do with institutionalized stomping on religion? If people don’t want to leave Orthodox Christianity they simple just need to, I don’t know, *don’t* leave Orthodox Christianity? How does that justify arresting preachers who preach in the street, Orthodox or otherwise? Plus, people can still go to Churches and hear them, so your attempting to claim that it’s just meant for foreign preachers (xenophobic much?) makes no sense. Especially because, if it’s like you claim, it allows muslims to preach islam, just as long as they’re locals preaching a local brand.
“Usually the authorities don’t interfere into such as issues until there are other reasons such as permit issues, legal issues etc.”
So it’s the state using the cover of religion to go after people. How is that supposed to make things look better? And how does that justify a law making it illegal preaching the Gospel outside a church?
BTW, one of the largest Christian sects in Syria is the Melkite Catholic Church. You like to boast that you Russians are going to Syria solely to defend Christians (which is untrue but that’s not relevant for now). Are you including Catholics? Or does your “protection” only extends to Orthodox Christians living near Russia’s bases in Syria? Would a Syrian Melkite Catholic in Russia be allowed to preach openly in the street?
Christianblood says
Angemon
If the preacher was that was arrested was Orthodox he might have been arrested for other reasons other than preaching. He may have been breaking the law on some way. There are many missionaries from the West in Russia and especially many protestant churches are there and there is no problem with the authorities unless it is about work permit or some legal issues etc and there hundreds of thousands of local Russians who follow different Christian denominations. You said I “like to boast that you Russians are going to Syria solely to defend Christians”. I believe Russia is primarily supporting the Syrian government because the internationally recognized Syrian government asked for help to the Russian government as it is under attack from the US and Saudi-backed international jihadist mercenaries and BTW, the presence of the Russian troops in Syria is legal but the presence of the US and Western troops and their fighter jet flights in Syria is totally illegal and uninvited. It is like an invasion! Do you acknowledge that? It is true that protecting the Syrian state from falling into the hands of international jihadist mercenaries is also protecting millions of Syrian Christians and other minorities from the genocidal jihadists supported by the US, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UK and France and that Russian legal intervention is a GOOD thing and saves the lives of millions of these minorities, I mean look at what happened to the Iraqi Christians and the Yazidis? Thank God for Russia for it prevented the same thing happening in Syria! Is that not a good thing?
The majority of the Syrian Christians are the followers of the Orthodox Church of Antioch, which is one of the most ancient Churches in the world. But ALL Christian groups in Syria need protection from the jihadists and they are all brothers and sisters in Christ! Please watch this fellowship below:
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Angemon
If the preacher was that was arrested was Orthodox he might have been arrested for other reasons other than preaching. He may have been breaking the law on some way.”
He was arrested for breaking the law – the law on preaching the Gospel outside a Church. Anyway, you seem to be impression that saying that the state is using religion as a cover to justify arresting people is a good thing. What good can come of politicising religion? How are you different from muslims on that regard, other than jailing instead of murdering the culprits?
“There are many missionaries from the West in Russia and especially many protestant churches are there and there is no problem with the authorities unless it is about work permit or some legal issues etc and there hundreds of thousands of local Russians who follow different Christian denominations.”
And according to you, the law passed to arrest that Orthodox preacher was meant for those alleged Western missionaries. By your “logic” there, Russian muslims preaching jihad is OK but David Wood going to Moscow and those muslims why islam is a false religion should get him landed in jail.
Anyway, you didn’t answer my question: would a Syrian Melkite Catholic in Russia be allowed to preach openly in the street?
August West says
Fantastic!!!
I am a total Christine Williams fan!!!
eduardo odraude says
I’m very grateful that Christine Williams is writing for Jihad Watch. She is an essential addition.
Angemon says
Great talk. There’s something about seeing a speaker fully knowledgeable of the subject they’re talking about that’s almost hypnotic, especially compared with seeing someone, natural showman or not, reading from a speech.
no_one says
There are very few Christians among the refugees in Europe. Only 13 % of the migrants are from Syria. The rest is young males from all over the middle East, Bangladesh, Pakistan and North Africa. There so many rapes in Europe, including child rapes and EU is doing nothing to protect it’s citizens. They try to please the thugs. These thugs torture Christians in migrant camps. It is a horrible situation.
gravenimage says
All true.
no_one says
Middle Eastern Christians are true martyrs. They are Orthodox Christians and the Holy Orthodoxy is the true ancient church of Christ. Many people who seek the true ancient church find the Orthodoxy. Research Holy Fire that appears on Orthodox Easter, not catholic Easter. There many holy fathers from the 20th century who says that the Christians from the last times will be bigger martyrs than the Christians from the first centuries. I can see it happening with the way muslims treat Christians. Many end up crucified in the middle east. Many suffer in Egypt. Muslims hold unbelievable hatred towards Christians.
Ross Lloyd says
Islam is THE CRIME against humanity!
patriotliz says
I just don’t get the ideological separation of “Islamist” from Islam. Either you are a devout Muslim or you’re a heretic. Either you follow the commands and examples of Mohammed or you’re a heretic. “It’s the religion, Stupid” and the religion is a theocratic, political and supremacist Islam. It’s like saying there is a difference between non-violent citizen loyal German Nazis and the Gestapo or the Nazi military in charge of the concentration camps.
Brian Hoff says
She isnot takeing into account that over than 1400 year period that many christian would have convert peaceful to Islam. The moslim in Egypt who arenot following strict Islam are strill moslim than there still than chance that they will return to strict Islam.
Angemon says
Are you really arguing that the people who had to pay huge taxes, had to wear distinct clothing, couldn’t hold positions of power, and were subjected to many other discriminatory, humiliating measures on their daily lives, converted “peacefully”?
BTW “strict islam” is bad news for non-muslims. Why are you wishing ill to non-muslim Egyptians?