This is war, but only one side is fighting. Those who are dismayed at what Muslims in Germany are doing, and what to stop it, are denounced as neo-Nazis: “There was uproar in Germany last month when St Reinold’s Church was occupied by identitarians in protest against the Islamisation of Germany. The demonstration was denounced as a ‘clear provocation by neo-Nazis’ by Dortmund pastor Friedrich Stiller. Dortmund’s ‘Special Commissioner for Tolerance and Democracy’ demanded more taxpayers’ money be put towards ‘Comeback’, the city’s ‘neo-Nazi deradicalisation programme’ in the wake of the protest. ‘The money the city gives, 50,000 euros per year, is no longer enough,’ Hartmut Anders-Hoepgen, said.”
“Revealed: 1,000-Man Mob Attack Police, Set Germany’s Oldest Church Alight on New Year’s Eve,” by Virginia Hale, Breitbart, January 3, 2017:
At New Year’s Eve celebrations in Dortmund a mob of more than 1,000 men chanted ‘Allahu Akhbar’, launched fireworks at police, and set fire to a historic church.
Already by 7 pm a man was hospitalised with first-degree burns to his face and hands after fireworks were hurled at a group of homeless people outside the city’s main train station. More than two dozen people were injured at festivities in Dortmund, some seriously.
The events of the night were described as “quiet” by police in a statement, and as “normal” by a spokesman for the city government.
But at 11:30pm police announced they were adding to their already much larger than usual presence in the city centre for New Year, sending in further reinforcements of officers.
This came after the force reported there being a “large number of young men from North Africa” in town, with federal police officer Volker Stall noting there was an “aggressive mood” towards the public and police.
At midnight, the situation threatened to escalate. A livewire published by the Ruhr Nachrichten reported that a crowd of “at least 1,000 young men” began throwing fireworks into crowds of visitors, which also included families with children. Asked by officers to stop, the mob turned to pelt fireworks at police instead.
Despite the prohibition of lighting pyrotechnics near churches, firemen had to intervene after fireworks were launched at St Reinolds, Germany’s oldest church, setting the roof alight.Also reported by the Ruhr Nachrichten was that “a group of Syrians sang in celebration of the ceasefire in Syria.” However, a video posted to Twitter by one of the newspaper’s reporters, paired with the caption “Syrians celebrate the truce in their country”, shows a group of men chanting ‘Allahu Akhbar’ around the flag of al-Qaeda and Islamic State collaborators, the ‘Free Syrian Army’.
There was uproar in Germany last month when St Reinold’s Church was occupied by identitarians in protest against the Islamisation of Germany. The demonstration was denounced as a “clear provocation by neo-Nazis” by Dortmund pastor Friedrich Stiller.
Dortmund’s ‘Special Commissioner for Tolerance and Democracy’ demanded more taxpayers’ money be put towards “Comeback”, the city’s ‘neo-Nazi deradicalisation programme’ in the wake of the protest. “The money the city gives, 50,000 euros per year, is no longer enough,” Hartmut Anders-Hoepgen, said.

Veka Fitzfrancis says
Lies lies lies. Anything to appear they have control of the situation and remain in power. If the German people aren’t suicidal they’ll vote Merkel out in October, but she’s counting on them to have a very short memory.
quota raven says
Totally scary story. Wait for it: this sort of thing WILL happen in the USA.
Thelastvirgingoat says
A while ago a church in Utrecht the Netherlands was vandalized.
Right after Isis published a list of churches. The media reported it as a regular burglary. Bibles were torn apart and crosses were broken.
gravenimage says
Appalling–this was no burglary.
Lauren Hermann says
Indeed it will happen; I’ve been saying that for many years now. When 9/11 happened, I thought that in spite of all the horrible aspects of this terrorist attack, at least it would wake up Americns ti the real threat facing the US. Boy, was I ever wrong! The first thing we heard from our leaders was that all Muslims are not like this. Duh–really?? Which begs the question, Was that the response of many Americans reactedin the aftermath of Pearl Harbor? I think not.
gravenimage says
It sure woke me up. I had been increasingly concerned about Muslim terrorism, but it took 9/11 to get me to really study Islam, and to recognize it as a truly existential threat.
Kirche says
I’ll moonlight on the goon squad when necessary…
Travis W says
That is the spirit commrade, see you there!
LilyDarcey says
quota raven …………What are you kidding me? This sort of thing has already happened in the USA Take a look at the lengthy list of Islamic terrorist attacks in the US. It is mind blowing.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx
nicu says
Merkel was not even elected last time it was FRAUD !
A Harris USA says
Verka, I believe it will only get worse between now and October.. The pig savages are pouring into Germany at the same alarming rate they have been for 2 years!!!
We have a saying in the wild west, ” let rattlesnakes into your house, and you will bet bitten !” you guys are snake bitten already, my question is ………When do you get the rattlesnakes OUT of your house? Incase you do not know, rattlesnakes are very deadly when they release enough venom. I just pray that the German guilt of two generations ago of are not in anyway related to the Islamic pigs that now are ruining the nation.. wake UP!!! There is no time to waste!! Churches full of people, today, and schools full of children next.. How much does it take ??? Good Lord, the left wing idiots who want more money for the pigs, should be raising money to ship them back!!!
Terry says
The 2016 best seller in Germany– MEIN KAMPF.
I think that the germans still hate the jews, and since Muslims do also, see a kindred spirit. Except, this time, the Germans will be bigger losers than they were in WW2
Panda says
Silly question: What is an identitarian? Is that the newspeak for a real, live German patriot? Second silly question. Why are these scum still alive?
Real McCoy says
WHAT THE HELL GERMAN ARE WAITING FOR?. THEY HAVE TO DO SOME THING YOU CANNOT SIT ON YOUR BUM LIKE COWARD UNTIL ALL YOUR COUNTRY WILL BE DESTROYED.
jim says
Germany better do something when they still have the upper hand
Lauren Hermann says
Yeah, they should, but don’t hold your breath.
Tom says
I am not so sure they still have the upper hand! Germany seemed to be run by a group of apologists who still feel guilt from WWII.
In my opinion, Europe is ruined and short of a miracle, nothing is going to save it. We in America still have the upper hand and can stop the Islamic social cancer; however, we better get moving.
We are in a religious war and the RCC Pope is lending comfort to the enemy. As we turn into a more secular society, all it would take is one charismatic religious leader [Prot, Prysb, Episco, Bap or Method] with the balls to stand up and denounce Islam and all it’s followers to become the new spiritual leader in America. I would go to that church.
We did not start this war but we mean to finish it!
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Kirche says
There is hope from Eastern European countries — those who bordered the original Islamic caliphate — such as Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Chech Repub… they are vocally against the Islamic invasion and have taken action by enforcing borders. Over the weekend some muslim’s knifed a pole to death and approx 300 poles mobilized and burned their kebob shop to the ground.
Eastern Europe will show the way!
Susan says
I believe this too. I have been continuously impressed by the actions of Eastern Europe since the mass Muslim scourge started, and in particular Hungary’s govt. They are really a shining example of practicality and sanity in the face of the EU and its insane Merkel-inspired ideas. It’s getting very hard to keep feeling sympathy for the Germans. They stay silent as their heritage and culture is destroyed and blame “Neo-Nazis”. They STILL wouldn’t know real Nazism if it bit them in the ass. The real fascists are sitting in their govt, the same way they were in 1937. The real fascists are socialists, the same way they were in 1937. They are pulling the wool over a naive, morally lazy populace’s eyes.. the same way it was done in 1937. They will suffer what they sow. The same goes for the likes of the UK, where several major cities have Muslim govt now, and shariah enclaves are quietly accepted… Let’s see how that works for you, 5 years from now, 10 years from now…. Like I say, getting very hard to feel sorry for them.
Ron says
There is an old adage: “You can’t protect a fool from himself.”
Achmed says
My biggest concern is that Germany must have run out of money. They don’t have enough Euros to even purchase live ammunition for their police force(s) and military.
Well, one needs to consider the largesse that Germany has laid upon the mohammedans … Almost all of them are on welfare … the German people have to give them food, clothing, shelter, medical care, legal assistance, special classes … and the list goes on. Obviously, this has drained that nation’s treasury.
So, no funding to purchase ammunition. So, the ran out. What other reason could there be for not using it?
John Doe says
60% of all social welfare goes to migrants (Hartz IV, please google) and 80% of muslims in Germany are living from government.
LB says
Despite the recent huge number of “guest arrivals” (that’s how they call it in the media), with over 99% of them being on welfare, Germany is still one of the richest countries in Europe. So it’s not that they can’t afford live ammo, it’s that they DARE NOT EVEN THINK about using it on a non-white person out of fear of being labeled “racist”. I’ve been to Germany recently and you have no idea how deep the Nazi PTSD runs among the native Germans.
Besides, spraying live rounds on a rioting mob? Where in the West have you ever seen that happening?
DFD says
Don’t overestimate that. The Germans are getting more and more, shall we say ‘PIS…D OFF’?
Also, it depends whom they Germans talk too. Didn’t you know that the Germans are even responsible for the murder of Abel?
ed says
Check your History Books- The Greeks killed Abel. The Germans killed Adam and took his recipe for Apple Strudel
Anne Smith says
Well a few water cannon wouldn’t come amiss if you don’t want to actually kill the swine. In the States some years ago they developed water cannon which used slippery stuff which they couldn’t stand up in. Everyone fell down.
I suppose this is considered too PC incorrect, but it might help these situations. If you added dye to the water you could see who had been out rioting and round them up. If the authorities had any gumption they would then deport them.
If only!!
quota raven says
Sounds like a plan, Anne! I especially like the part where “they all fell down.”)))))
Cheers!
quota raven
DFD says
Incredible, ‘authorities’ and ‘gumption’ in the same sentence. WOW! What a feat!
🙂
dumbledoresarmy says
Word to the water cannon. And remember – this is the northern hemisphere *winter*.
COLD, COLD water would shrink their b*lls and they would be shivering so hard they would be a lot of half-frozen drowned rats: easy to catch and clap into jug. They’d be GLAD to be in a nice warm paddywagon and a nice warm cell…
And word, too, to putting some sort of indelible dye – I suggest bright yellow – in the water.
quota raven says
To DDA = And don’;t forget the slippery stuff!)))
Cheers!
quota raven
dumbledoresarmy says
Dog squad, too.
Riot police – mounted police, with the **dog squad**. Lots and lots of big, black, biting dogs.
gravenimage says
If I recall correctly, the “slippery stuff” is just dish soap. Very effective, though.
Peggy says
Why would they care if the slime they are fighting calls them racist?
I think most Germans (real Germans not the imported kind) are not going to worry about that.
LB says
To clarify, my personal experience was with the young, rich, fresh-out-of-college native German people. So basically college students. And just like many college students in the West where the Left is deeply rooted, they came out into the real world thinking that being white is equal to being Hitler.
I have no doubt in my mind that there are large numbers of native Germans who see these “migrants” exactly for what they are. Hence so much support for AfD and PEGIDA. But in my opinion, those people are working class who are forced to live next to the invaders and have seen or experienced for themselves what the mudslimes have came to Germany for.
My only concern is that the rich college kids will never wake up from their leftist brainwashing and will eventually assume Germany’s top posts without realizing the threat islam poses to the West. That top German UN official whose daughter was raped and murdered by a muslim “migrant” is an example of what I’m talking about.
He taught her the same leftist delusional bullshit he was taught in college, so she went and joined the volunteers at a refugee centre which got her raped and killed. And what does he and his dumb bimbo wife do? He goes and GIVES HIS DAUGHTER’S FUNERAL MONEY TO “POOR MUSLIM MIGRANTS” BECAUSE “THEY NEED IT MORE THAN HER”!!!
This is what I’m afraid of. To me, it’s not the muslim that killed his daughter, her father was the real killer. Because you can’t blame a starved wild animal for killing your child, you can only blame yourself for letting your child go near it unprotected.
Cecilia Ellis says
“'[A]t least 1,000 young men’ began throwing fireworks into crowds of visitors, which also included families with children. Asked by officers to stop, the mob turned to pelt fireworks at police instead.”
Asked by officers to stop . . . asked . . . ? Dear Lord! What insanity!
Keith Gilbert says
‘A thousand young savages from Africa’ sounds more correct!
Cecilia Ellis says
Indeed!
JawsV says
“Nafris” – what Europeans call young Muslim men from the maghreb. (North Africa). It’s supposed to be a slur but who the heck cares?
f c king says
This would get you shot in all of the islamic countries, unless you were throwing fireworks at a church and non-believers. Germany is beginning to look, well, Islamic.
DFD says
Cecilia Ellis
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Cecilia, you’re right. But it will escalate, the left and the Ms will make sure of that, they’ll push and push. However, the police must not be seen as the escalating factor. But as the ‘reasonable and rational’ respondend.
Believe me, I wish they’d kick ’em so hard that they vomit shit for weeks on end.
‘hope you had Merry Christmas and good slide into the New One!
Cecilia Ellis says
DFD, thanks for your reply. I noticed that Anne Smith, in her 10:22 a.m. comment, suggested the use of water cannons. That seems to be a feasible option. However, the failure to do anything exacerbates the public opinion that law enforcement is prohibited from keeping its citizenry and facilities safe.
For police to respond appropriately against such dangerous, life-threatening, illegal activity may well be viewed as escalation, but failure to do so firmly conveys an undeniable message to the actors: “We are afraid of you.” As such, law and order have just incurred a major defeat.
Additionally, actions such as these will escalate, regardless of police intervention. There will be more blood to flow. This scenario is but a precursor of things to come. Yet, you and I know that.
Hope you, too, had a blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Peggy says
If it was any other group doing this I am sure that by now police would have the whole thing settled.
Seeing how it’s Muslims, it’s obvious to even blind Freddie that police are given direction not to get too involved. So, asking them to stop is the limit then.
Rahul says
I feel for you!
Rob says
This is a modern social experiment.
Look at the evidence; and make a judgement.
1. Merkel opens the doors to a million unknowns purporting to be “Syrian Refugees”
2. The arrivals include many who come from Africa and elsewhere; and have no ties to the refugees
3. There is no effort to check identities, or to keep a track on any newcomer. They disappear…
4. Overwhelming numbers are imposed on small villages, without consultation
5. Billion$ of Euros are spent on these unknowns, while poor citizens are ignored
6. Homes are taken over and state properties are given as homes and shelters for the newcomers
7. The new arrivals complain about the food and the slow internet; and despoil fresh water in order to sell the containers for cash
8. Violence spikes and soars, rape becomes commonplace; and rapists are unpunished in sympathy for their lack of understanding the raping boys and girls ls NOT OK…
9. German municipal officials tell their constituents that if they don’t like the way the ‘refugees’ treat them, they can leave…
10. Merkel and EU parliament try to force other nations to “take their share” of her “invited guests”
11. Eu society is being destroyed by rape and other crimes, yet the media and police keep mum
12. Anyone complaining or reporting refugee violence is vilified and ostracised
13. The newcomers state plainly that they will forcibly rape and make children with local girls – not one government statement of condemnation
14. Muslims state plainly that they will impose Sharia on the unwilling citizens, yet governments say this is not what they are saying
15. Amid the mayhem, Merkel advocates turning the other cheek when her violent Islamic darlings upset us – traumatised citizens are told to “respond with Love and Compassion”
And these governments, whose primary duty is the safety of their citizens, are not kicked out…
Question: On the evidence, does this appear to be a situation which will end well…?
Answers on a postcard to:
The History Of Earth, When It Was A Sane Planet,
Outpost Sagan/Goddard
Mars
quota raven says
Right on, Rob. May common sense prevail, in Germany and elsewhere.
Cheers!
quota raven
John Doe says
I really have no idea how somebody could think the can work?! ‘they all will be so thankful for their saved lives that they will behave and try to pack back with love!’
Merkel should take the public transport in my region once, at 11 o’clock when all the hard working people are where? At work. And you are the only ‘white’ person in the train, forced to stand, because: muslims sit and christians stand! go to a shopping street at 11 o’clock, during the week, when all the working people are where? At work. And your friends from russia that came for vacation asked shocked: Are there no Germans living in this region? this looks like Bagdad!
But why should any politician care?!? It is not them in the streets. The get driven straight from home to work, their shopping is done by somebody else. The older ladies in my neighborhood (one of the best in a large German city) stopped going downtown alone already before the refugee crises, because all got Harassed at least once. But who cares? The city provided four offices for victims of ‘violence from right’
(does not matter 80% of the political motivated violence come from left) but if you ask for help as a victim of violence from migrants (even the definition of racism is majority over minority lets call it racism) they look at you: this does not exist and do not tell, nobody wants to hear!!
Rahul says
I feel for you! This is not rolling back, now. The world, as we know it, is ending. This is the beginning of that end!
gravenimage says
Don’t preach surrender here. Germany is still at least 94% Infidel–they idea that they have to give up now is just false. Germany and the rest of the West can fight back if we just have to will to defend our own civilized societies.
Adrian Johnson says
This is the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan in action –google the term to see how long ago it was proposed. It you think it is a “NWO conspiracy theory”, then ponder that Merkel was given the Coudenhove-Kalergi Award for 2015. (Van Rumpoy won it before her)
Please tell others about the Plan, by “the Father of the European Union” which you never read about in your school history books.
Lauren Hermann says
Rob, you have stated the absolute truth, and quite clearly and eloquently. This theo-political cancer is spreading so quickly that I really fear the worst. I think everyone should prepare him/herself for a long war.
somehistory says
In a nutshell. The beast rampages and rages, and the zookeepers say it’s just doing what comes natural, so don’t get in its way.
davej says
16. Police are overwhelmed and demoralized, told to minimize violent incidents, hands tied by politicians. Officers resigning in droves, recruiting very difficult.
pdxnag says
Does Nazi now mean: “To give shelter to Jews under attack.”
John Doe says
One thing always forgotten: the nazis, NSDAP, was not right! The ideology is left.
But one thing: already the antisemitism in the 20s and 30s proofed one thing clear. Multiculturalism does not work. If a group united by race or ideology take advantage over others from their situation, there is an reaction that can not be called friendly.
Peggy says
Multiculturalism has worked very well for a very long time in places like the US, Australia, Canada and even in Europe until Muslims started flooding in.
It’s not multiculturalism that’s at fault here but allowing one dangerous ideology to flood in. Nobody else caused these problems before.
The left & Muslim alliance says
Multiculturalism didn’t work well in places like the US, Australia and Canada.
Multiculturalism was just a scheme by the left to import their voter base. Anyone criticizing the concept was accused of racism. The left politicians could strike rent seeker deals with ethnic leaders in return for a guarantee that the ethnic bloc would vote left. Multiculturalism collapsed when citizens realised that 1. they had no say over how their country was changing and 2. the new immigrants were more loyal to the country, ethnicity, tribe or religion they left than their virtually non-existent loyalty to their new country. Muslims are just a very prominent group of immigrants who refuse to assimilate into their adopted country.
The problem is a collusion between the political left and Islam.
Ron says
I tend to agree. It took me a very long time to realize it, but the diversity myth ignores what we know about human nature. We identify with those who share the most commonality with us, and the whole idea of nationhood is based on kinship. We can pretend those things don’t matter all we want, but Utopian ideas and multiculturalism have failed far more often than thy have succeeded
The diversity myth, like the speeches of Josef Goebbels, has been driven into the minds of millions so shard and so long that it has become an article of faith. The far Left has swallowed the idea with the same enthusiasm that the Russian hierarchy swallowed the hokey science of Lysenko.
quota raven says
Ron – Like Mother Nature sez, “Birds of a feather flock together”.
While I agree with Mother N, what she says does not rule out the possibility of multiculturalism’s thriving in a free society. There are degrees. It is one thing to tolerate a culture not one’s own. But it’s quite another thing to be coerced into “respecting” or “embracing” or “supporting” another culture upon penalty of law..Like the convenient crime that embodies mind reading on the part of the enforcers – “hate crimes,” Very slippery slope, and we’ve been sliding for decades.
Cheers!
quota raven
Ron says
Admittedly, there are degrees, as you say. But some cultures and some peoples are so far removed from others that accommodation makes for an unhappy society at best. Sociologist have long known that homogeneous societies are happier than heterogeneous ones, although the far Left Utopian idealists would never admit it.
Islam and Christianity or Judaism are about as extreme an example as I can think of. Combining Islamic and Judeo-Christian societies is a recipe for disaster. They are diametrically opposed ideas and a prescription for disaster.
quota raven says
Ron – Being a lapsed Episcopalian (low church) myself, I approach the question from a different, secular, position that is nonetheless important. Islam, the quran and shariah are TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE with the US CONSTITUTION and Western culture and tradition. Of course they are incompatible with Christianity and Judaism and all other religions not them. I prefer to leave the religious arguments to those more learned and committed than I and, instead, have chosen to fight jihad in the name of the sovereignty of the USA and the rescue of the Constitution, which is in tatters.
Different fronts for different people, non?
Cheers!
quota raven
quota raven says
To The left & Muslim alliance re “Multiculturalism didn’t work well in places like the US, Australia and Canada.”
I think you’re dead wrong here, with all due respect.
“Multiculturalism” has worked just fine for a couple of centuries in the USA, and ditto in the UK, though in a somewhat more understated way, and Canada as well, UNTIL we politicized immigration and started building a Marxian political base (thank you, Ted Kennedy), virtually limiting immigration to the poorest and least likely to succeed from around the world, and then only to compound the disaster by grabbing as many muslims as we could add to the mix and dropping them here and there throughout the USA, establishing them in government and the monstrous attendant bureaucracy, welcoming jihad into our very bosom..
I spent most of my adult life in NYC, and if that was not a successful “multicultural” population, I don’t know what you’d call it. Everybody got along just fine during the 30+ years I lived there, the 60s notwithstanding.
The problem comes when “multiculturalism” is interpreted as a virtue in and of itself (as the Leftists would have us believe – dissembling: the real, practical and desired result is the unstoppable, relentless establishment of a non-reversible leftist voting block in the US through manipulating demographics) instead of a simple noun which means “more than one culture”.
Obama and his regime have ruthlessly exploited any and all potential for division of the US population along racial and cultural lines. Things have never been so toxic as they are now, thanks to the leftist totalitarianism of the past 8 years.
Whether it’s “multiculturalism” or “obamacare”, I think you’ll find people ultimately will resent having massive social engineering that threatens to destroy our very society and culture crammed down their throats. I know I’m gagging.
Fifteen more days…and counting…
Cheers!
quota raven
quota raven says
To the left and muslim alliance – Now that you have amplified your earlier comment, it seems a perfectly valid point of view. Thanks for the clarification of your thoughts.
Not sure who I’m quoting here, but someone said “A democratic republic only works until the voters realize they can vote themselves a pay check.”
Cheers!
quota raven
Cheers!
quota raven
Peggy says
The left & Muslim alliance says
January 5, 2017 at 7:43 am
Multiculturalism didn’t work well in places like the US, Australia and Canada.
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Let me put it this way them. Until the invasion of Muslims, Australia has benefited from multiculturalism. Most people who came here didn’t take anything away from Australian way of life but they did add to it. Now we have wonderful restaurants which are on par with other world class restaurants and cafes. We have traditions like Chinese new year celebrated and we can either enjoy them or stay away from them. Nobody is forcing us to embrace anything. Many of our sports stars have some ethnic background and they compete for Australia and do us proud.
Everything these migrants brought with them was offered to us and never pushed on us and we benefited from that.
This is a multiculturalism working well.
Now we have Muslims who are bringing their way of life but instead of simply offering it to us to sample if we wish, they are demanding that we embrace it. They are ruining it for everyone.
So let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water. Let’s not discourage people from practicing their traditions and introducing new things into our society. We have nothing to fear from that. We can either enjoy in it as well or just don’t bother with it. What we have to fear is Islam only and as far as I am concerned what Muslims are doing doesn’t fall into the category of multiculturalism but invasion.
quota raven says
to Peggy, who observes, “what Muslims are doing doesn’t fall into the category of multiculturalism but invasion.”
Exactly right, Peggy. The muslim invasion – at our invitation – is beyond multiculturalism. It is an invasion and they are waging war against all of us.
We have the same relationship with Chinese New Year (my personal favorite, btw!), San Gennaro, and many various ethnic parades and holidays in NYC, and they are happy occasions during which all kinds of people can enjoy, have fun and, yes, even “celebrate” in a low key sort of way, “multiculturalism.” When I lived in NYC, I attended quite a few Passover dinners and Shabbat dinners, although I’m not Jewish myself. ,I had many friends of all kinds of background.
Interestingly, although I worked for years with a number of muslims, I never set foot in any of their houses nor was I ever invited to participate in any social activity with any of them, male or female.
And, Peggy, sorry for leaving Australia out of my earlier comments. I’m,just not personally familiar with Aussies, never having visited your wonderful country. I’ve always admired it from afar…very afar, esp when I lived on the East Coast!
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
True, Peggy.
The left & Muslim alliance says
New cultures introduce good things (eg food and festivals) and bad things (eg crime and undesirable cultural traits).
But the real issues with a change from an assimilationist immigration policy concerns issues of primary loyalty and self-identity.
Countries such as US, UK, Australia and Canada might have been multi-ethnic prior to the 1960s, but there was strong normative social pressure to integrate into the adopted country. Immigrants arriving at Ellis Island from all over were expected to become American. Immigrants to Australia were called New Australians, denoting that although they may eat strange food or have a non-Anglicized name they were expected to transfer their loyalty to Australia and become Australian.
After Ted Kennedy changed America’s immigration laws in 1965 to bring in future Democrat voters, other Anglosphere countries followed suit. Trudeau in Canada formally coined the term Multiculturalism. Upon the leftwing ALP taking power in 1972, Australia adopted multiculturalism, which meant immigrants were no longer expected or required to transfer their loyalty to their adopted country. They could live in the new country while remaining emotionally loyal to the old country. Multiculturalism as a policy is a disaster. It should be replaced by a return to assimilationist immigration policies, which demand a transfer of loyalty to the new country before citizenship is conferred. Because Muslims will never transfer loyalty, it should be questioned whether they should be welcomed as immigrants into the West or made citizens in Western countries.
gravenimage says
It also depends on the culture. Some are civilized and blend well with the West–some anything but. No culture is *less* civilized than Islam.
The left & Muslim alliance says
Islam has no desire to assimilate.
Just to conquer and subjugate.
In accordance with Qur’an Chapter 8 Verse 39, Islam will continue to try and overcome non-Muslims until “all religion is for Allah”.
Keith Gilbert says
Manfred Roeder would have known how to deal with this situation…he predicted it 40 years ago…perhaps some of his children will remember his wisdom and words and step foreword to save what is left of a Fatherland.
quota raven says
to Keith Gilbert, who suggests, “Manfred Roeder would have known how to deal with this situation…he predicted it 40 years ago…”
Manfred Roeder? Really? I’d never heard of the guy, so I looked him up in Wikiopedia…Where the first thing I learn (for what it’s worth) is that he is a “holocaust denier”…Really, Keith?
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
What? Are you referring to “Hitler’s Blood Judge”, and who barely escaped prosecution for war crimes? Or do you mean his son, a Holocaust Denier who was also a member of the Klan and several neo-Nazi groups?
The idea that what Germany needs to oppose Fascist Muslims are more Fascists is just grotesque.
Keith Gilbert says
I knew Manfred Roeder for years before his death, he traveled widely and involved himself in Germany’s future; and, for what it’s worth, I am an observant orthodox Jew…but that is off point. In this day of DNA it is interesting to see who is what, and indeed…where they came from. Manfred was in the Hitler Youth in the last fight for Berlin, the last 30 days…brutal, hard and soul building…and now that the world is learning the truth about AH escaping the survivors become even more interesting, as do their heirs who are now everywhere. Think not that this fight will go well or even the way you want…the fact is, Germany must be driven back from the abyss from which it has climbed since 1947…and what better way to get them into a fighting mood than to provide an invading horde of expendable islamic mongrels to taunt and condition them? What way indeed?
gravenimage says
Keith Gilbert wrote:
I knew Manfred Roeder for years before his death, he traveled widely and involved himself in Germany’s future; and, for what it’s worth, I am an observant orthodox Jew…but that is off point.
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Not really–that this creep probably would have had you killed if he were in power seems *quite* salient.
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In this day of DNA it is interesting to see who is what, and indeed…where they came from.
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What does DNA have to do with anything?
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Manfred was in the Hitler Youth in the last fight for Berlin, the last 30 days…brutal, hard and soul building…
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This wasn’t “soul building”–this was cynical Nazi abuse of children–they knew this was a lost cause, and sacrificed these young people anyway.
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…and now that the world is learning the truth about AH escaping the survivors become even more interesting, as do their heirs who are now everywhere.
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“AH”–is that your pet name for Adolf Hitler? Do you think he is still holed up–where? South America? Somewhere in Dar-al-Islam? Good grief…
And no–there are few “heirs” of Fascism around these day. Neo-Nazis are few enough, and are mostly sad, social misfits.
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Think not that this fight will go well or even the way you want…the fact is, Germany must be driven back from the abyss from which it has climbed since 1947…
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So–you think that things were great in Germany before 1947–under Hitler, for instance? Good grief…
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…and what better way to get them into a fighting mood than to provide an invading horde of expendable islamic mongrels to taunt and condition them? What way indeed?
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What are you claiming here? That “Hitler’s heirs” are importing large numbers of savage Muslims to het up German blood lust–or did you have someone else in mind?
Don’t you know that “AH” himself was a great admirer of Islam?
The fact is that invading Muslims are a serious threat to Germany and other civilized nations, and whatever your dreams of a ‘Fourth Reich’, this is not the solution to any of our problems…
Joel A Tompkins says
Why don’t you people stop being so stupid and caring about what they think of you and stop these asshole from destroying your country.
Keith Gilbert says
Wise words Joel, wise words indeed…but who’s listening?
Pumbar says
There once was a donkey who’d tell
To all that the prophet was swell
When the prophet got sick,
Said, “me ass will die quick”
The scared donkey jumped down a well.
In the base of the well he met mahdi
Who kept himself warm with a cardi
And awaited the day
O’er the world he’d hold sway
And he wouldn’t be stuck in a khazi
So the followers of mo hatched a plan
To bring back the mule and the man
A few megaton
From that bloke Kim Jong Un
And a plane full of cash for Iran.
Champ says
“The scared donkey jumped down a well” …and then landed in hell!
Benedict says
Limerick:
Muhammad took off on a mule
he thought he was Allah’s rasûl
a journey by night
and a heavenly flight
revealed that he just was a fool.
Infidel from Down Under says
Talk about scum!!
Angemon says
Same as Cologne last year – how is this not a conspiracy of silence?…
Klaas says
This is a typical example of fake news. There are some elements of truth, but the suggestion in the headline is not supported by the facts. There is no indication that a muslim mob deliberately set fire to the church. All reports I have seen talk about a small fire in a net attached to construction scaffolding, perhaps caused by fireworks that landed there accidentally. Perhaps someone shouted Allahuh Akbar, but they may shout that for lots of reasons, for example to celebrate the Syrian truce. Scenes as shown in some of the videos are unfortunately completely standard on New Year’s even in many European cities. A few years ago in the Netherlands 22 schools were burnt down in that one night. This has nothing to do with immigrants. Of course it is possible that the politically correct media are hiding facts, but to spin this as a systematic attack on christianity is just ridiculous at this point.
Westman says
Keep dreaming the false dream that Islam intends peace, Klass. Will you be surprised when Wilders’ and his supporters become a dominant force in the Netherlands – and then ignore the reason or claim it doesn’t exist?
Are you also saying that the Muslim mob, threatening police after being told to disperse, is representative of typical lawfulness for Germany?
Klaas says
Please stop the bullshit. I am simply pointing out false information. I never said Islam is a religion of peace. It is in fact a religion of war and hatred. I agree totally with Wilders on Islam, but I disagree with him on just about anything else.
Mob violence against the police on New Year’s eve is a common phenomenon in Holland for years already, and it has nothing to do with Islam. The suggestion that an Islamic mob was trying to burn down a Christian church in Dortmund is not supported by the facts that were provided. That was all I was trying yo say.
gravenimage says
Why would you believe that a German Newspaper–Ruhr Nachrichten–is reporting “fake news”? Or that the video posted by one of the reporters is somehow faked? Do you think they photoshopped in the Al Qaida flag?
Klaas says
gravenimage: This is what I found about the church fire in Ruhr Nachrichten: “Mit einer Drehleiter musste die Feuerwehr von der Kleppingstraße aus bis zum Dach der Kirche vorstoßen. Eine Silvesterrakete hatte dort ein Fangnetz eines Baugerüsts in Brand gesetzt. Ein kleines Feuer, das schnell gelöscht war.”
All it says is that a firecracker had set fire to a safety net on building scaffolding around the church. No statement about who lit this firecracker, nor if it was aimed intentionally at the church, nor that it was done by muslims. Breitbart turns this into “Revealed: 1,000-Man Mob Attack Police, Set Germany’s Oldest Church Alight on New Year’s Eve” and then Robert Spencer goes one step further and writes “1,000 Muslims screaming “Allahu akbar” set fire to Germany’s oldest church on New Year’s Eve”. This suggests an intentional attack by mobs of muslims on a church. I have found no evidence for that in this article.
I am sure there were bad muslims in that crowd, but can we please stick to the facts? They are bad enough already.
gravenimage says
Klaas, this is not all that the German article says. It also notes that “young men with migration backgrounds” were deliberately shooting fireworks at homeless people, at least one of whom had to be admitted to the hospital with first degree burns.
BlueRaven says
Normally I do not reply to BS like yours, however, I spotted a BS statement that can be challenged – you stated “A few years ago in the Netherlands 22 schools were burnt down in that one night.”
That has never happened in Netherlands – however a bunch of Muzzies did burn down 26 schools in Kashmir, India on 31 Oct 2016.
Muzzies = Destruction
Klaas says
Yes, it did happen. How can you challenge a statement without knowing anything about it and simply declaring it is BS?
gravenimage says
I Googled, and could not find anything. Do you have a link to this story?
Klaas says
gravenimage: Here are some links. It happened in 2008/2009
http://www.beteronderwijsnederland.nl/content/oud-en-nieuw
http://www.parool.nl/amsterdam/meer-schoolbranden-op-oudjaar~a10931/
https://www.vosabb.nl/tag/oudjaar/
They are in Dutch. A small correction to what I wrote: “22 schools burned down” is what I remembered, but it is a slight exaggeration. About 22 were set on fire and severely damaged, but only about three burned down completely. This sort of thing is happening every year, and the peak in school fires was around 2008/2009. As far as I know these are neither accidents nor ideology-motivated, but just vandalism.
I am not denying the negative influence of recent immigrants and islam on the problems in Germany, but even without them a least in Holland we had plenty of problem already.
gravenimage says
Thank you for the links, Klaas. No indication of who was responsible–except for a vague reference to “youth”. Hard to believe that with 23 fires authorities would be unable to find a single perp.
Your firm assertion that Muslims had nothing to do with this does not appear to be borne out by these articles. “Youth”, of course, is often shorthand for “Muslim” in the UK. Not sure if this euphemism is used in the Netherlands, as well.
Franz says
Little bit wrong.
THe Church was occupied by Neo Nazis from DIE RECHTE(full of criminals-thats true-funny there leader is an longtime neonazis organizer who never wanted to be part of a politcial party,and he say Israel has a right to exist.im sure his the most of his party members will say NO!Perhaps he is another guy on the paylist from the state)and not by “Identitarians”!
here the site of this Neonazis(im sure this party was made by intel servies/the state to give RIGHT a bad name-nobody can be so stupid to think that he can change something with a bunch of criminals)
http://die-rechte.com/gutmenschen-empoert-nationalisten-besetzen-reinoldikirche-in-dortmund-als-starkes-zeichen-gegen-islamisierung/
Also the Church is called Sankt REINOLDI.
BlueRaven says
Franz – if you deny the report that a large number of Islamic immigrants created havoc in Dortmund, then you are an obvious clown. There were neo-Nazies there that night – however, anyone who opposes Islamic immigrants is labeled as Neo-Nazi, hence you are being pathetic calling the opposing parties neo-Nazies
gravenimage says
I’ve heard them described as “Neo Nazis”, but reports actually just mention their being anti-immigrant and “Islamophobic” and “racist”. So–were these *actual* Nazis–or just people concerned over Muslim violence in Germany being branded as Nazis?
I would love to know if any Germans here have more information.
Sabine Abbel says
St. Remigius is by far not THE OLDEST Church in Germany, but the most important church in the City of Dortmund and I assume one of the oldest in this city (12th century) It was rebuilt after WW II. The former beautiful Hanseatic City of Dortmund had been destroyed by 98% (comparible to Aleppo).
Nowadays Dortmund is a migrant city, one of the worst with an islamistic communtiy. If you are a tourist, don’t go there. There are safer and far more beautiful places in Westfalia.
If you want to study the abysmal consequences of a left-wing immigration policy visit Dortmund and you will definitely vote for Trump.
Khushi says
In spite of all these horrors perpetrated by the migrants upon native germans, i read on a german site that merkel’s popularity is rising.
Which sane german would want to re-elect merkel?
Her reign has brought nothing but disaster upon native germans.
Ron says
A casual observer of the world situation would have to conclude that sanity had been turned on its head. The Germans, who once tried to eliminate the Jews among them, felt so guilty about what they did that they invited millions of the worst-possible people to replace them.
Rob says
“The Germans, who once tried to eliminate the Jews among them, felt so guilty about what they did that they invited millions of the worst-possible people to replace them”
Remember Merkel’s comment when her new “Children” started attacking Jews everywhere…?
She said: “I don’t understand why there’s so much anti-semitism”…
Unlike most West Germans (she’s from the East), Merkel does not suffer from “too much Holocaust Guilt”, but she’s quick to use this lingering national guilt against the citizens of what she still sees as “West Germany”…
In fact, as the evidence mounts; and she digs-in her heels against her country’s outrage, it’s becoming all too clear that Merkel’s agenda is very similar to Obama’s – the complete eradication of the Western way of life.
It turns out that she’s still a Communist at heart, with all the anger of a Communist defeated; and she’s determined to make the West pay for its humiliation of her ideology.
Obama’s agenda is also retributive; and has the same anti-West aim, but not for the sin of defeating communism – it’s for the sin of regarding the oil-rich Muslim pseudo-kings as the disgusting barbarians which they certainly are.
Notice how low this “US President” bowed to the Arabian “king” when they first met…?
This is how any Muslim would behave when standing before his ideological master.
And being a closet Muslim, Obama could not help himself – even in front of the World’s media – he was inwardly compelled to show his great respect for his Muslim superior.
History will expose both Obama’s and Merkel’s anti-West hatred; and the world will wonder how easily intelligent nations were deceived. Also, how a creeping, deceitful agenda was imposed on a distracted citizenry. These are the tactics propounded by Stalin himself: “To defeat a powerful enemy, one must act with stealth and deceit. We must corrupt their youth with drugs and “soft” philosophy; and use their tolerance and good-heartedness against them whenever possible. It’s their own strength which will defeat them…”
Just look at how “Left”-leaning Western universities have become; and how they teach anti-West philosophy.
Will we learn from this history, or will the Western World succumb to the anti-West onslaught, too paralysed by that great imposter – Political Correctness – to react appropriately?
Peggy says
I don’t believe that her popularity is rising. It’s the same as all news outlets saying how Hillary is so much more popular than Trump.
Be careful which site you believe.
gravenimage says
Khushi, here are Merkel’s ratings from this August:
“Merkel’s Approval Rating Plunges Following Attacks in Germany”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-05/merkel-s-approval-rating-plunges-following-attacks-in-germany
Khushi says
If this is true, then I am happy. Her popularity should be plunging. Germans must reject her as a leader. She has done tremendous damage to Germany already.
Good to hear from you Gravenimage. Wishing you a great 2017.
gravenimage says
Same to you, Khushi! Great to see you posting again. 🙂
j.p.theo says
To: Klaas
Are you suggesting then that all is well in Germany? That there has been no increase in crime, most migrants are genuine Syrian refugees, and most are are hard working citizens? And the future looks bright ahead?
If so lets all stop worrying, and ignore the historical record? (Islamic invasion of Spain by the Moors, Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe by Ottoman Turks? And so much more)
Remember Churchill in the ‘wilderness years’ before WW2 – crying out against the disarmament of Britain and the gathering storm?, Some times the writing on the wall is not clear to everyone.
Klaas says
No, I am not suggesting anything you are saying. I am as worried about islamisation is everyone else here. I am just saying that this particular headline is not supported by the facts mentioned in the articles that are linked to. Maybe in the last line I should have written: “to spin this PARTICULAR INCIDENT as PART OF a systematic attack on christianity is just ridiculous at this point.”
Chris Cross says
The left fascists always claim they are the moral superiors whilst allowing the rapes, murders and pillaging to go on by the invading culture. If anyone dares question the invading culture and their crimes the left call for more sanctions against the citizens.
“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue.”
— Barry Goldwater
DrKarlStalin says
That’s the difference between the USA and the EU. A thousand muslims trying to burn down a church in the USA would find hot lead, and lots of it, heading their way.
GEORGE McADOO says
I offer unto Islam that which it offers the world. Make me a gift of your tyranny, I will make you a gift of a one way ticket to Hell.
Don Foss says
Step 1: Merkel must go.
John J Flanagan says
Historically, the root of the issue is that Islam does not assimilate into Western and Christian societies and is incompatible with non-Islamic cultures. In host nations where Islam spreads, sectarian violence results. A wise Christian nation can aid refugees in safe havens in Muslim lands, but allowing Islam into their countries in the name of tolerance and religious freedom is almost suicidal. The teachings of the Koran do not suggest toleration for non Muslim people. An ordinary educated and historically aware person knows this, but progressives, liberals, and people like Angela Merkel hold on to unreasonable and irrational expectations. For the sake of their survival, the German people need to sack Merkel and deport the refugees to Muslim lands, where they can live under their 7th century nightmare, and leave the West alone and safer.
sly311 says
Merkel says love and compassion will defeat ISIS. You go girl! Hopefully the German people will vote this crazy bitch out.
Terry says
Sky–I guess that Merkel’s comments fit right in with Kerry. That a/c’s and refrigerators are a greater threat then ISIS & terrorists resort to terrorism because they don’t have good health care benefits, etc.
Makes as much sense.
Terry says
The events of the night were described as “quiet” by police in a statement, and as “normal” by a spokesman for the city government.
the above is form the article.
Si, I gather, it quiet and normal for 1,000 people ( ?-possilbe question if these should be classified as homo sapiens or something else) ( at least in my mind) to scream, and throw fireworks at police and set fire to a historic church.
I guess that is the new normal and quiet in Germany.
Let them keep it- there. Don’t need it in the US
Angela says
This is fake news! https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/04/german-police-slam-reports-new-years-migrant-violence.amp.html?client=ms-android-h3g-gb
Kevin says
You are right. This piece appears to be Completely untrue. I posted to that effect earlier, and my comment has been deleted.
Robert – should we not be working harder to discern this kind of fake news?
gravenimage says
1,000 Muslims screaming “Allahu akbar” set fire to Germany’s oldest church on New Year’s Eve
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Yes–I sent this story in (others may have done so, as well).
Here are ravening Muslims on a major Infidel holiday, declaring that their foul deity is “greater”, while trying to burn down Germany’s oldest church, St. Reinold’s Church in Dortmund–targeting Christianity and Germany’s historic heritage.
Here is what we almost lost:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Reinold's_Church,_Dortmund#/media/File:Alte_Markt_Dortmund.JPG
Kay says
Beautiful church. Thanks for posting it.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Kay.
epistemology says
The Germans obviously drew the wrong conclusions from their past. They don’t owe the muzzies anything. The muzzies talk about a moral obligation which isn’t justified by anything. All they know is violence, demanding and imposing sharia. Muzzies are disgusting scumbags. They don’t belong in any civilization.
David says
Merkel ought to be hanged…along with “Pastor” Friedrich Stiller for what amounts to a being collaborator.
Eric Jones says
I am speechless. First the islamist attack homeless people, then women and children, then police Then they try to burn down a historic church. 1,000 men is a military attack group. This was an islamic attack. If Germany does not wake up, then Germany is finished.
Eric
ed says
Wake up- Wake up!
David says
This is a fake news story:
http://www.newser.com/story/236530/german-police-in-disbelief-over-false-breitbart-story.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=earthlink&utm_campaign=rss_topnews
gravenimage says
Read the actual story, David.
The only aspect it really questions is whether the church was set on fire deliberately, or if it was recklessness–and that the church is the oldest in Dortmund, but not in all of Germany.
The story actually *confirms* Muslims screaming “Allahu Akbar!” and flying the ISIS flag–but just asserts rather lamely that this can be interpreted as completely innocent.
Kevin Moss says
We do have to be very careful in the re-reporting of these news items. As originally published on JihadWatch, it does appear misleading, if we are to take seriously the contrary accounts issued by the German police.
The liberal left are very quick to smear these reports as extremist, or ultra-right, so we do need a credibility to JihadWatch’s reporting which is unassailable, if at all possible.
marc says
The age of the church seems the only thing that might need correcting, did you see the video?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/08/fake-news-fake-news-media-sow-division-with-dishonest-attack-on-breitbarts-allahu-akbar-church-fire-story/