What could possibly go wrong?
All of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. Is it racism and xenophobia to recall that in February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees? Or that the Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country?
Meanwhile, 80% of migrants who have come to Europe claiming to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t really from Syria at all. So why are they claiming to be Syrian and streaming into Europe, and now the U.S. as well? An Islamic State operative gave the answer when he boasted in September 2015, shortly after the migrant influx began, that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had already entered Europe. He explained their purpose: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.” These Muslims were going to Europe in the service of that caliphate: “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.”
On May 10, 2016, Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, said that the Islamic State was using migrant routes through the Balkans to get jihadis into Europe.
“15,479 Syrian Refugees Have Been Admitted This Year – 606% More Than 2015; 98.8% Are Muslims,” by Patrick Goodenough, CNS News, December 29, 2016:
(CNSNews.com) – In its last full month in office, the Obama administration has admitted 1,307 more Syrian refugees – pushing the 2016 calendar year total to 15,479, a 606.1 percent increase from the numbers resettled in the U.S. in 2015.
Of the 15,479 Syrian refugees admitted by the end of Thursday:
–15,302 (98.8 percent) are Muslims – 15,134 Sunnis, 29 Shi’a, and 139 other Muslims
–125 (0.8 percent) are Christians – 32 Catholics, 32 Orthodox, five Protestants, four Jehovah’s Witnesses, and 52 refugees described only as “Christian” in State Department Refugee Processing Center data
–43(0.27 percent) are Yazidis
–eight are “other” religion and one is described as having “no religion”
–3,904 (25.2 percent) are males between the ages of 14 and 50
–3,521 (22.7 percent) are females aged 14-50
–7,428 (47.9 percent) are children under 14, of whom 3,824 are boys and 3,604 are girls.
Last year’s intake of Syrian refugees was considerably smaller – 2,192 in total – although the religious ratio was similarly skewed: 2,149 Muslims (98 percent) and 31 Christians (1.4 percent).
The last month of 2016 has seen 1,307 Syrian refugees arrive, of whom 1,278 (97.7 percent) were Muslims, 24 (1.8 percent) were Christians, and five (0.3 percent) were Yazidis.
The administration has determined that atrocities against Christians, Yazidis and other religious minorities by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS/ISIL) in areas under its control amount to genocide.
At the same time, however, it has rejected calls by Republican lawmakers and others to prioritize vulnerable religious minorities among refugee applicants. President Obama said that would amount to a “religious test.”
Sunni Muslims do account for a majority of Syria’s population – an estimated 74 percent when the civil war began in early 2011.
Even so, the proportion of Sunnis among the refugees admitted into the U.S. has been much larger than that: 97.7 percent of those resettled in 2016, and 97.15 of the total number of Syrian refugees admitted since the conflict began (17,513 out of 18,026)….

More Ham Ed says
Thanks Robert.
Happy New Year!
Go ham in the fight against the global jihad!
Stephanie says
allah’SS jihad http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29 don’t sleep!
https://twitter.com/schnellmann_org/status/815197196341673984
Mach1Duck says
A religious test??? What do you call the reverend Jeremiah Wright, a pacifist?
Lookmann says
A majority of them [muslims] should be sent back by Trump admin.,
Dawn says
So many are in denial of what is taking place. It is only going to get worse.
A Harris USA says
Lookman, I hope that the evil Obama has his legacy gets shoved up his butt!!! The fact is, Obama is still pouring in Muslim terrorists into our country… Every day, every hour.. Up until 1-20-17!! Anything that Muslim in the white hut will do anything, anytime, any where is to endanger our well being…Damn him to hell!!
Angemon says
“Fundamentally transforming America” indeed…
somehistory says
If they recognize the slaughter as genocide, and they bring in those causing the genocide, then…Appears to be that those bringing them in wish the genocide to continue.
When those doing the slaughtering are allowed to go to another country, will they not find a new set of victims? Changing their location will not change their goals, their mindset, their desire to murder all whom they are able.
And years ago, o said the U.S. *is a large moslim country*. It soon will be if these numbers continue.
Christianblood says
US and other Western governments and the majority of their societies love and adore islam and muslims,
including muslim jihadists but they demonize and denigrate Christians and other victims of global jihadist wars! Shame on them!
Angemon says
Baseless libel. Seriously, don’t you guys get new material? Oh, and weren’t you warned about “the West” not being a monolith?
Christianblood says
Angemon
You are a hater of the Truth! Aren’t the articles that we read on Jihadwatch on daily basis proving my point?
Angemon says
You’re one to talk about hating the truth. It’s not in Western countries that Christians can be arrested for preaching the Gospel. It was not a Western nation that honoured a jihad murderer and insurrectionist as a “hero” and named a bridge after him. That’s all in Russia, which for you can do no wrong, no matter what.
But please go ahead – point to the JW articles where the staff says, and I quote:
“US and other Western governments and the majority of their societies love and adore islam and muslims,
including muslim jihadists but they demonize and denigrate Christians and other victims of global jihadist wars”
Betcha you won’t, because you can’t, because there are none. Your accusation is face-palmingly stupid considering what one sees when looking around. Trump support rose when he talked about halting immigration from muslim countries. In Europe, parties whose main lines include stopping muslim immigration are gaining momentum. On what grounds do you say that the majority of Western societies loves islam and muslims while hating Christianity and Christians?
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
US and other Western governments and the majority of their societies love and adore islam and muslims,
including muslim jihadists
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The idea that Americans and other Westerners ‘adore Muslim jihadists’ is, of course, utter bullsh*t.
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Aren’t the articles that we read on Jihadwatch on daily basis proving my point?
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Do these articles prove that Westerners are allowing Muslim migration because we enjoy having Muslims rape and murder our neighbors? No, they don’t. They mostly expose those in a state of denial over the threat of Islam.
And what of this:
“West should learn from Russia to accept Muslim refugees – Patriarch Kirill”
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=12354
Do I think from this that Patriarch Kirill enjoys seeing Muscovites and other Russians slaughtered by Muslims? No, I do not.
I think this is more denial, appeasement of Islam, and excuse to castigate the West. Ugly and dangerous, but not a desire to see his own people harmed.
lagitane says
Religious test? Is Obola serious here? I knew from the get go that this guy was an arrogant, spoiled, bigoted egomaniac. Since when has the Left been hesitant to apply a religious test? Let’s see, seems they were fine in bombing the Serbian Christians to help the Muslim population a few years back. Quite a religious test there. And do not Jews from the former Soviet Union get refugee status based on religion? Obola should get lost and go to the 57th state he has so fondly spoken about having visited. Alfred E. Newmann with a tan loser. Oh, did I say I cannot stand that creep?
Jaladhi says
Refugee or not , the Muslim population in USA is deliberately being increased by this administration. This is nothing but deliberately killing the melting pot character of USA as Muslims will never ever assimilate. Their aim is to take over America by population time bomb!
JayT says
If Obama, years later after leaving office, comes out of the closet and proclaim he is converting to Islam that will come as no surprise at all given his beneficial actions toward that cult over his terms.
Crusades Were Right! says
Re the pic:
The woman on the left is holding a placard showing (as far as I can make out) the Bible quote: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”
Speaking for myself, I would “have” Mohammedans stay far away from my country. I return the favour by staying far away from theirs.
Robert_k says
It”s too late!! One too many Sunnis slipped in already from Indonesia, Barack Hussein Obama!!!
davej says
They don’t need a religious test, they need a civilization test, which all true Muslims will fail.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
mr spencer, the fear in christian west is not that muslim immigrants might one day outnumber christians in the west due to high birth rate among muslims.the real fear is mass conversion from christianity to islam that will turn the west islamic rather than christian.you, the islamic haters,come up with strategy of refering to the terrorist elements as islamic terrorists or their act of terrorism as islamic terrorism.you quickly cite example of few converts who engage in violence and tell your vulnerable audience that this is what the new religion of these converts teach them,so as to deter others from converting.i want tell you that sooner or later the strategy will fail. immediately after crusade wars and after church overthrow,christian evangelists shifted to another warfare,which is intellectual warfare.they sent many churchmen to muslim/arab countries to study arabic and islamic studies with objective of distorting islam to deceive muslims and other vulnerables that islam is bad.these people are known as orientalists who introduce such arabic and islamic studies programmes to western educational institution to present bad picture of islam to westerners to deter them from convert to islam.that strategy also failed, and people from the west started converting to islam enmass .note this is exactly the same distorted version of islam you mr spencer and co are now using in your effort to show that islam is a terrorist religion citing the example of the activities of misguided terrorist groups. any one who tries to tell you that it is not so,you brand him as muslim apologist.we dont have muslim apologist, because muslims believe in all what islam says in the quran;unlike christians who select what suits them from the bible.
billybob says
Ibrahim says Christian evangelists [are] distorting islam to deceive muslims and other vulnerables that islam is bad. These people […] present a bad picture of islam to westerners to deter them from convert to islam.
We actually don’t depend on the opinions of Christian evangelists here on Jihad Watch. Robert always presents quotations directly from the Quran that show what Islam is all about.
Muslims believe in all what islam says in the quran; unlike christians who select what suits them from the bible.
This is the concern! Islam is the only religion that advocates a vile, oppressive, supremacist ideology promoted and defended by violence. Islam was inspired by a ruthless, genocidal warlord named Muhammad who murdered, raped, enslaved, and pillaged and spread terror throughout the Arabian Peninsula.
Your religion is a bogus cult. I defy you to explain away the passages in the Quran commanding violence!
BabeThePig says
I commend your answer Billybob. And just harking back to the topic of this post, I can’t believe that so many wealthy Muslim countries are not opening the gates for their Muslim brother’s and sister’s from Syria. I can only think that Hijrah (jihad by immigration) is at work. Of course the issue of sectarian violence among Muslims offer’s another layer to the issue of why those mega wealthy Islamic countries won’t take them in; however, the gateway into Europe and the U.S. is open and marching on in are 98.8% Muslim. So many young men, women and children ready to lose their life for the cause, potentially taking an untold number of non-Muslim lives.
But Muhammed here wants us to believe that it will be intellectual warfare that will have us all running Quran in hand screaming ‘sign me up brother’. I hate your cult that when I think of every one of you dirty scum, I feel physically sick to my stomach that we share the same air. I for one will not let political correctness addle my brain as to the Islamic agenda. You want me dead so that you can walk the earth without one single kafir (non-Muslim) remaining, to use your terminology.
gravenimage says
True, billybob.
Angemon says
“mr spencer, the fear in christian west is not that muslim immigrants might one day outnumber christians in the west due to high birth rate among muslims.the real fear is mass conversion from christianity to islam that will turn the west islamic rather than christian.”
“mass conversion from christianity to islam”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
*snort*
Funny joke, Ebionite.
gravenimage says
Apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
mr (sic) spencer, (sic) the fear in christian (sic) west is not that muslim (sic) immigrants might one day outnumber christians (sic) in the west due to high birth rate among muslims.the (sic) real fear is mass conversion from christianity (sic) to islam (sic) that will turn the west islamic (sic) rather than christian (sic).
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Not really. Almost the entire growth of Islam in the West has been from invading Muslims. Conversion to Islam is small, and mostly takes place among violent felons and other members of the underclass.
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you, (sic) the islamic (sic) haters,come (sic) come (sic) up with strategy of refering (sic) to the terrorist elements as islamic (sic) terrorists or their act of terrorism as islamic (sic) terrorism.
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What claptrap. Virtually all terrorism in the West is perpetrated by Muslims, and it is they themselves who affirm that they are acting on the basis of Islam itself.
muhammed here himself has affirmed that Jihad violence is perfectly Islamic. He has, further, threatened that Muslims will invade us and force us to convert to Islam from “mithraist christianity”. Hence, he is an advocate of just the Jihad which he is now trying to claim is not Islamic.
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you (sic) quickly cite example of few converts who engage in violence and tell your vulnerable audience that this is what the new religion of these converts teach them,so (sic) as to deter others from converting.
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9/11, the Madrid Train bombings, 7/7, the Mumbai attacks, Ft. Hood, Paris, Brussels, Orlando, San Bernardino, Istanbul–these and over 30,000 other Jihad terror attacks in just the past fifteen years–these are *hardly* just a few attacks,
And the idea that these attacks have always been perpetrated by converts is obvious bullsh*t–many Jihadists are lifelong Muslims.
Jihad is, in fact, the heart of Islam. The “Prophet” Muhammed himself was a Jihadist, and affirmed that nothing was a higher value in Islam than dying while slaughtering Infidels.
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i (sic) want tell you that sooner or later the strategy will fail.
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Why? Do Muslims intend to stop waging violent Jihad? I won’t be holding my breath…
More:
immediately (sic) after crusade wars and after church overthrow,christian (sic) evangelists shifted to another warfare,which (sic) is intellectual warfare.they (sic) sent many churchmen to muslim/arab (sic) countries to study arabic (sic) and islamic (sic) studies with objective of distorting islam (sic) to deceive muslims (sic) and other vulnerables (sic) that islam (sic) is bad.
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What does muhammed mean by “church overthrow”? Who knows?
And the rest is claptrap–Infidels have long suffered from being attacked, conquered, and enslaved by Muslims. muhammed believes we should consider that a salubrious thing.
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these (sic) people are known as orientalists who introduce such arabic(sic) and islamic (sic) studies programmes to western educational institution to present bad picture of islam (sic) to westerners to deter them from convert to islam (sic).
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Well, this is especially hilarious–most Orientalists were clueless romantics who had a foolishly benign view of Islam. As for Islamic Studies programs, most of these have now been taken over by Muslims themselves now, and are used to spew Taqiyya.
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that (sic) strategy also failed, and people from the west started converting to islam (sic) enmass (sic).
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What absolute rot. There is no mass conversion of Westerners to Islam.
More:
note (sic) this is exactly the same distorted version of islam (sic) you (sic) mr (sic) spencer (sic) and co (sic) are now using in your effort to show that islam (sic) is a terrorist religion citing the example of the activities of misguided terrorist groups. any one who tries to tell you that it is not so,you (sic) brand him as muslim (sic) apologist.we dont (sic) have muslim (sic) apologist, because muslims (sic) believe in all what islam (sic) says in the quran;unlike (sic) christians who select what suits them from the bible (sic).
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Of course, muhammed cannot say what Robert Spencer has gotten wrong–because there is nothing.
He himself affirms here that Muslims embrace everything in the Qur’an, and the foremost thing in the Qur’an is the violent subjugation of Infidels.
PRCS says
Syrian refugees admitted to US
Note that they are listed as REFUGEES–not migrants, not immigrants.
Some may seek and receive asylum or sanctuary–but the rest are SUPPOSED to return home when Syria is deemed safe.
But what’s really happening here is RESETTLEMENT.
As far as I know, they’re NOT going back home. Ever. Except on vacation.
Barry O is sticking his thumb in the public’s eye, and the Trump administration needs to put a screaming halt to this nonsense.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
mr spencer, the fear in christian west is not that muslim immigrants might one day outnumber christians in the west due to high birth rate among muslims.the real fear is mass conversion from christianity to islam that will turn the west islamic rather than christian.you, the islamic haters,including devil trump,come up with strategy of refering to the terrorist elements as islamic terrorists or their act of terrorism as islamic terrorism.you quickly cite example of few converts who engage in violence and tell your vulnerable audience that this is what the new religion of these converts teach them,so as to deter others from converting.i want tell you that sooner or later the strategy will fail. immediately after crusade wars and after the church was overthrown,christian evangelists shifted to another warfare islam,which is intellectual warfare.they sent many churchmen to muslim/arab countries to study arabic and islamic studies with objective of distorting islam to deceive muslims and other vulnerables that islam is bad.these people are known as orientalists who introduce such arabic and islamic studies programmes to western educational institution to present bad picture of islam to westerners to deter them from convert to islam.that strategy also failed, and people from the west started converting to islam enmass .note this is exactly the same distorted version of islam you mr spencer and co are now using in your effort to show that islam is a terrorist religion citing the example of the activities of misguided terrorist groups. any one who tries to tell you that it is not so,you brand him as muslim apologist.we dont have muslim apologist, because muslims believe in all what islam says in the quran;unlike christians who select what suits them from the bible. again, devil trump who said he will send all muslims out of the united states as show of hatred cannot do it.his id for muslims policy, if challenged before the court, will be declared unconstitutional, null, void and without any enforceable effect whatsoever.take it from me.
billybob says
Where do you get your news Ibrahim? Trump never said he will send all muslims out of the United States. What he did say is that we need to control who enters the United States. More specifically, that immigration from countries that engage in Islamic terrorism should be suspended “Until we figure out what is going on”. That seems like a prudent idea to me. Wouldn’t you agree?
gravenimage says
More from ibrahim itace muhammed:
again, (sic) devil trump (sic) who said he will send all muslims (sic) out of the united (sic) states (sic) as show of hatred cannot do it.
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Of course, Trump never said any such thing–he has merely called for a moratorium on Muslim immigration until they can be properly vetted for Jihad sympathies.
More:
his (sic) id (sic) for muslims (sic) policy, if challenged before the court, will be declared unconstitutional, null, void and without any enforceable effect whatsoever.take (sic) it from me.
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Why would Trump need an ID policy for Muslims if he simply plans in deporting all of them? Really, muhammed proves himself once again incapable of reasoned thought.
And why should we take *anything* from him–he has affirmed that Muslims plan to invade the West and forcibly convert Christians to Islam. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
More fifth columnists in America, courtesy of the worst President in US history, whom, I must consider, is a fifth columnist himself. To be nice (though why should I be where a doofus like Obama is concerned?), I will just assume Obama is massively ignorant and “nothing more,” though I would note that massive ignorance and actual complicity can often have the same deleterious effect.
January 20th can’t come too soon. Obama has harmed America and Western Civilization many times over, but then the man has no real understanding or regard for America and Western Civilization. What an ignoramus he is, whether complicit with malevolence or “merely” ignorant of it. Good riddance to this lesser man.
No, even worse this. He has been a “least man.” He fills me with disgust. So should be the case with all those who prize Western Civilization, America, liberty and the best that resides within the soul of man since Obama has been a traitor, whatever the motive, to all of these.
And eternal shame on those who voted for this man for the head position of the most powerful country on earth, especially those who voted for him twice for this exalted position. The sin upon their heads forever. Their culpability must never, should never, be forgotten. Guilty all.
davej says
If Obama was just ignorant about Islam that would be one thing (a bad, irresponsible thing nevertheless) but HE ATTENDED AN ISLAMIC SCHOOL AND THERE ARE PICTURES OF HIM IN MUSLIM DRESS.
He knows what it is about, the Islamic brain worm infected him a long time ago. Like all Muslims, his first loyalty is to “Allah”.
It will not surprise me if after stepping down he admits this, he basically already has.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
mr billybob, mr spencer is not well learned on islam. mere quotation is not a sign of being learned.picking one verse and another or hadith is not the way islam is being studied.even in literary criticisms you cannot do that.there are certain subject areas you have to master very well before you can form an independant opinion (ijtihad)in the light of the quran and hadith.these are:nahw(arabic grammar), adab(arabic literature),balagha(stylistics or rhetorics), ulumul quran(sciences of the quran which include collection,memorisation of the whole quran, variant sounds,context of revelation, abrogation etc),ulumul hadith(sciences of hadith like collection,chain of transmission,integrity of reporters etc), standard commentaries(not mere translations), islamic history,fiqh and usul(jurisprudence and legal theory), tauhid(theology)and lughah(root of terms and expressions).in case you could not master all these subject areas,you have to rely on precedence in the interpretation of islam by those who met the requirments.any thing short of that will lead to distortion and misinterpretation of quranic verses and hadith.this is exactly what orientalists did and what mr spencer and co are now doing ;and they want you to take it hook, line and sinker that this is the position of islam on an issue.if you have been reading my previous comments i drew mr spencer’s attention to such wrong interpretation of quranic verses and hadith.you can help to make him understand my point of view.
billybob says
Ibrahim – you explain it very well, and greater depth than I have ever seen. However, Mr. Spencer has studied Islam for at least two decades and while he may not pass as a qualified Quranic scholar in your eyes, at least you must understand that he is well aware of the objections you just raised.
Mr. Spencer is an honest scholar and therefore he has consulted the writings of the greatest and most relied upon Quranic scholars of all schools throughout history. These scholars confirm our worst fears that Islam is a supremacist religion that must dominate. We don’t particularly want to be dominated thank you. We do not respect your prophet and consider him nothing more than a cruel ancient warlord. We don’t feel he has any moral standing.
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…”
The statement continues,
“Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
I would so appreciate you feedback on all above.
Thank you
gravenimage says
Appalling apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
mr (sic) billybob, mr (sic) spencer (sic) is not well learned on islam. (sic) mere (sic) quotation is not a sign of being learned.picking (sic) one verse and another or hadith (sic) is not the way islam (sic) is being studied.even (sic) in literary criticisms you cannot do that.there (sic) are certain subject areas you have to master very well before you can form an independant (sic) opinion (ijtihad)in (sic) the light of the quran (sic) and hadith.these (sic) are:nahw(arabic (sic) grammar), adab(arabic (sic) literature),balagha(stylistics (sic) or rhetorics), (sic) ulumul (sic) quran(sciences (sic) of the quran (sic) which include collection,memorisation (sic) of the whole quran, (sic) variant sounds,context (sic) of revelation, abrogation etc),ulumul (sic) hadith(sciences (sic) of hadith (sic) like collection,chain (sic) of transmission,integrity (sic) of reporters etc), standard commentaries(not (sic) mere translations), islamic (sic) history,fiqh (sic) and usul(jurisprudence (sic) and legal theory), tauhid(theology)and (sic) lughah(root (sic) of terms and expressions).in (sic) case you could not master all these subject areas,you have to rely on precedence in the interpretation of islam by those who met the requirments.any (sic) thing short of that will lead to distortion and misinterpretation of quranic (sic) verses and hadith (sic).
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The claim that anyone this knowledgeable is allowed in Islam to reinterpret the texts of Islam is of course a lie; the “Gates of Itijihad” are considered closed by all orthodox scholars.
But the whole point is that Robert Spencer is *not* trying to reinterpret the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira–far from it. In fact, he is showing how Muslims themselves interpret and use these texts.
He quotes from the Sahih collections of Hadith by Bukhari and Muslim, which are considered “Reliable”–the highest level of authentication. And he cites interpretations of Islamic texts by the Reliance of the Traveller, institutions like Al Azhar, high-ranking Muslim clerics such as the Ayatollahs of Iran, and respected and frequently-cited orthodox historical sources.
Why is this important? Because these are the sources that Muslims themselves turn to, and which affirm Islam’s goal of violently subjugating Infidels.
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this (sic) is exactly what orientalists did and what mr (sic) spencer (sic) and co (sic) are now doing ;and (sic) they want you to take it hook, line and sinker that this is the position of islam (sic) on an issue.
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The hilarious thing is that most Orientalists were romantics and tended to whitewash Islam and minimize its savagery.
Note that muhammed has never actually refuted a single point made by Robert Spencer; nor does he do so here.
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if (sic) you have been reading my previous comments i (sic) drew mr (sic) spencer’s (sic) attention to such wrong interpretation of quranic (sic) verses and hadith.you (sic) can help to make him understand my point of view.
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Again, muhammed has never said what interpretation outlined by Spencer is incorrect–in fact, muhammed himself has affirmed violent Jihad and its intent to conquer Dar-al-Harb.
And why would Anti-Jihadist billybob have any intention of trying to convince Robert Spencer of muhammed’s Taqiyya?
Mr. Spencer has had better Taqiyya thrown at him than this idiocy by the semi-literate muhammed–why would he be taken in by this dishonest claptrap now?
duh swami says
mr billybob, mr spencer is not well learned on islam.
Hajha…yer done Abu…but thanks for the laugh…
duh swami says
Invasion by invitation is part of Obama’s jihad against America…We may hate it, nut Allah is well pleased…
ibrahim itace muhammed says
billybob ,all the allegations you mentioned against prophet muhammad are false and mischievous.even the enemies of prophet muhammad notably pagans and jews then testified that prophet muhammad was honest and upright man.that is why they nicknamed him al-amin(trustworthy).all such allegations were contained in fabricated stories or misterpretation of the quran and authentic hadiths.in one of my comment i checked mr spencer’s reliance on some hadiths to conclude that prophet muhammad contracted marriage with aisha at the age of 6 and consumated the marriage at the age of 9. i found that non of the hadiths mentioned age of 6 and 9.the hadith only said the marriage was contracted before she became matured and consumated when she became matured as it was customary practice among arabs then.the age of maturity is not fixed by number of years.it is determined by appearance of some signs like menses, growing of breast and pubic hair. such fabricated stories,distortions and misinterpretations,are the reading materials you are using to blackmail prophet muhammad and islam.but god the creator is alive and watching.i am advising you mr billybob to seek treatment of this disease of concocting lies against prophet muhammad before you die.if you die on that,definitely you are going to hell.take it from me. christianity is a pagan concept from roman paganism of mithraism ispired by the devil.all future prophecies in the bible never came true.eg in mathew mithraist jesus predicted that this world will come to an end during his generation and that people standing infront of him will not taste death until the world come to an end .those people died for more than 2000 years now and this world is still in existence.it shows that christianity is false,not from true god.all future prophecies in the quran have been coming true ,including rising and falling of jews and this is last rising and fall which will lead to their total extinction as stated in sura isra and bani israel together hadiths.prophet isa will then descend from heaven to end pagan christianity that mark s the process of true ending of this world.
billybob says
Ibrahim – I grant you that pagans and jews initially testified that your prophet Muhammad was honest and upright man – at first. They even invited him to settle disputes among the Jewish tribes in Medina. But he soon tricked them and in the end, betrayed and finally slaughtered these same tribes.
As for the age of Aisha when he first molested her, I grant you there are different sources. I do say she was “molested” because we here in the West think women should have the right to chose who they wish to marry, when they wish to marry, and if they wish to marry. It is unlikely that little Aisha had any say in the matter, and in any event, was too young to give consent.
However, is it not true that Muhammad began his career in Medina robbing the caravans of the Meccans? From there he moved on to conquest, in the end conducting over 65 military campaigns by the time he died, thereby conquering all of the Arabian Peninsula. How many did he kill with his ambition to rule? How many did he enslave? How many women did he rape, and give permission to his followers to rape? How many did he torture, like that poor man where they built a fire upon his chest to make him tell where his gold was hidden? Think about the misery he must have caused. How many mourning for their losses. How many slaves forced to a life of labour and abuse. To his enemies he was for sure a terrorist.
How can you justify this?
gravenimage says
Apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
billybob (sic) ,all (sic) the allegations you mentioned against prophet muhammad (sic0 are false and mischievous.even (sic) the enemies of prophet muhammad (sic) notably pagans and jews (sic) then testified that prophet muhammad (sic) was honest and upright man.that is why they nicknamed him al-amin(trustworthy).all (sic) such allegations were contained in fabricated stories or misterpretation (sic) of the quran (sic) and authentic hadiths (sic).
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What is false about any of this? The “Prophet” was a rapist and a pedophile; he was a caravan raider, he was a mass murderer, and he had his critics assassinated.
The Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira of Muhammed all affirm this. The only problem muhammed has with this is that we dare characterize this as a *bad thing*. If we characterized Muhammed’s keeping sex slaves and abusing a little 9-year-old child as proof of his virility, he would applaud it. Likewise, if we characterized his beheading unarmed captives and giving the nod to having his critics murdered as his being a “Brave Lion of Islam”–as Muslims themselves to–then muhammed would be happy.
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in (sic) one of my comment (sic) i (sic) checked mr (sic) spencer’s (sic) reliance on some hadiths (sic) to conclude that prophet muhammad (sic) contracted marriage with aisha (sic) at the age of 6 and consumated (sic) the marriage at the age of 9. i (sic) found that non of the hadiths (sic) mentioned age of 6 and 9.the (sic) hadith (sic) only said the marriage was contracted before she became matured and consumated (sic) when she became matured as it was customary practice among arabs (sic) then.
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What absolute crap. Here are some Hadith authenticated as “Reliable”–the highest rating–by Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
–Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
–Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’
–Sahih Bukhari 7:62:65
Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
–Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88
Does muhammed just believe he can blatantly lie about this? It appears so…
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the (sic) age of maturity is not fixed by number of years.it (sic) is determined by appearance of some signs like menses, growing of breast and pubic hair.
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Sure–some girls get their period as young as twelve, and some as late as sixteen. Virtually no child is menstruating by the age of nine, though, and no nine-year-old is ready for sex and marriage. This is child abuse, plain and simple, and was even in an earlier age.
Moreover, in other Hadith, Aisha notes that she still played with dolls–an indication that she was still very much a little girl:
Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
–Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151
Very disturbing, and a textbook description of a pedophile.
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such (sic) fabricated stories,distortions (sic) and misinterpretations,are (sic) the reading materials you are using to blackmail prophet muhammad (sic) and islam (sic).
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How are these orthodox Hadith “fabricated”–they are endorsed by Muslim clerics themselves.
Moreover, Muslims are raping little children on the model of the “Prophet” *right now*. If muhammed were really concerned about child rape–and not just with Muhammed looking bad to civilized Infidels–he would take it up with his fellow Muslims, and not with the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.
“Pakistan: Bill banning child marriage fails after it’s deemed un-Islamic”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/pakistan-bill-banning-child-marriage-fails-after-its-deemed-un-islamic
Why would banning child rape be considered un-Islamic if it were not for Muhammed having raped a little girl from the age of nine? And this not just happening in Pakistan, but all over the Muslim world.
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but (sic) god the creator is alive and watching.i (sic) am advising you mr (sic) billybob to seek treatment of this disease of concocting lies against prophet muhammad (sic) before you die.if (sic) you die on that,definitely (sic) you are going to hell.take (sic) it from me. christianity is a pagan concept from roman paganism of mithraism ispired by the devil.all future prophecies in the bible never came true.eg (sic) in mathew (sic) mithraist (sic) jesus (sic) predicted that this world will come to an end during his generation and that people standing infront (sic) of him will not taste death until the world come to an end .those (sic) people died for more than 2000 years now and this world is still in existence.it (sic) shows that christianity (sic) is false,not (sic) from true god.all (sic) future prophecies in the quran (sic) have been coming true ,including (sic) rising and falling of jews (sic) and this is last rising and fall which will lead to their total extinction as stated in sura (sic) isra (sic) and bani (sic) israel (sic) together hadiths.prophet (sic) isa (sic) will then descend from heaven to end pagan christianity (sic) that mark (sic) s (sic) the process of true ending of this world.
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Well, that’s a load. First muhammed threatens billybob that Muslims will murder him if he continues to say anything uncomplimentary about the bloody warlord Muhammed; them he appears to think that Muslims have already wiped out the Jews–tough luck, bunky–then he generally insults Christianity; then he finishes with a threat to slaughter all remaining Christians.
If any of you “filthy Infidels” needed more proof that Islam is a “religion of peace”, surely this confirms it…sarc/off
billybob says
Nice work on digging up those references gravenimage.
BabeThePig says
Now come on ibrahim itace muhammed, are you saying there’s a treatment centre somewhere for people who have been diagnosed as having a “disease of concocting lies against prophet muhammad”? And what is the medical name of this disease pray tell? No tootz, there should be a treatment centre for deluded idiot Muslims such as yourself.
Muslims exterminate their own if they speak one word against Muhammad or question the Quran in any way and the number of everyday Muslims who believe in apostasy is astounding. This means that if your everyday, non-radical Muslim are apostates, then millions upon millions upon millions believe in the death of the non-muslim (kafir) too. How damned patronizing are you when stating “.i am advising you mr billybob to seek treatment of this disease of concocting lies against prophet muhammad before you die.if you die on that,definitely you are going to hell.take it from me.” You and your cult will be languishing in hell for your belief’s and actions. I can’t believe I’m reading the words from someone who at the very least believes in the practice of Pedophilia and that by pulling words from the Quran, thinks he’s condoning the practice. You’re a sick fucking unit you.
gravenimage says
15,479 Syrian refugees admitted to US in 2016, 606% increase over 2015; 98.8% Muslims
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Suicidal insanity.
abad says
Send them ALL back they are not wanted here and these Muslims are NOT refugees!!
ibrahim itace muhammed says
gravenimage, you are a mad liar.the hadiths in sahihul bukhari in their original arabic version never mentione age of 6 and 9. are you saying translation can import what is not in the original text?even interpretation cannot make such inference.you are saying aisha was still playing with dull she was underage,not matured.all the authorities confirmed that she was matured before the marriage was consumated.remembers your girl experience sex at those age without marriage and you see nothing bad in it because you are in corrupt society having indiscriminate sex like pigs.muslims do not accept that.all sex experience must be within marriage ties
billybob says
“All sex experience must be within marriage ties”
Is that true even to have sex with slaves Ibrahim?