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This special edition of The Glazov Gang presents the Daniel Greenfield Moment with Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and the editor of Frontpage’s blog, The Point.
Daniel discussed Israel Must Kill the Two State Solution, explaining that, if it doesn’t, the two-state solution will kill Israel.
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Dan says
All a two state solution is going to do is open another front for muslims to launch more attacks on Israel.
gravenimage says
True, Dan.
Kenin says
If they ever get their own state, Israel will be destroyed. As Jassir Arafat said, “Peace for us is the destruction of Israel.”
G.man says
Under international pressure the Israeli government of the day evacuated its citizens from gaza and gave
it away to the so called palestinians, since then its been a base from which to attack the citizens of Israel.
It would be insane to repeat the exercise, international pressure or not.
gravenimage says
Exactly. Israel hoped this would bring peace–instead, it has done nothing but give Hamas a base of operations and Jihadists another front from which to attack Israel.
M Goff says
So very true!
K. says
There already is a two-state solution: Israel and Jordan, the former Cisjordania and Transjordania, the former British Protectorate of Palestine. A historical ethnic group called “Palestinians” does not exist, this is a pure fabrication. Hence no legitimate claim to statehood.
gravenimage says
Also true, K.
Frederick Middleton says
The West’s programme for Israel is to keep making the same mistake and hope it eventually turns out a success. It’s rather like Left wing economics in that sense.
RonaldB says
Haha.
Great point. Communists always excuse the economic disasters of Communism by saying this or that particular implementation was not pure enough and had too many elements of capitalism to succeed. It’s an argument that cannot be lost.
Phil Copson says
Frederick,
No – the West hopes that Israel will continue to allow itself to be pressured into a series of strategic miscalculations by parties pretending to be it’s friends.
The “success” they hope for is the disappearance of Israel.
The Arab world has a lot of oil, money, and influence. Israel hasn’t.
If the “West” won’t lift a finger to save Christian minorities in Muslim countries from extinction, or even to save itself from mass Third World migration, then it certainly won’t help Israel.
I don’t like “slangy” phrases, but on this occasion, you, the rest of Mr Spencer’s readers and Israel itself, need to “get real” / “wake up and smell the coffee” and all the rest of the pimply hyperbole.
RonaldB says
Greenfield does an excellent job of putting the two-state solution into true perspective, that is, a nightmare of future problems and no concrete benefits.
I believe the alternatives posed were: you either have democracy and a two-state solution, or you give up democracy, ie representative government and self-determination for the populations of the occupied territories.
In other words, you have a permanent situation where people are not able to vote for their own representatives in the government that controls them: like the residents of Washington, DC.
I don’t see anything wrong in such a situation. The blacks of South Africa were far better off under the apartheid government than they are now under an ANC-controlled government. Ditto for the blacks of Rhodesia and almost any African country that used to be a colony.
But, administering a territory brings its own problems and pressures. The administrator, Israel in this case, becomes responsible for every injustice and violation in the territories, true or not. The people in the territories can self-organize into intifadas, requiring violent and well-publicized suppression by the armed forces of Israel.
This is an Israel problem and Israel should craft its own solution, which might not be pretty, given the determination of the Muslims to destroy it. But, the US should not inject itself into the ward politics of Israel, making an international incident every time a group of squatter goat-herders are ordered removed from land they do not own by an Israeli court.
But, in the process of pulling back from involving itself in Israel internal matters, the US should stop its aid to Israel, over a period of a few years to give time to adjust. Israel, like all other countries, should live within its means. Also, the US has no business giving military guarantees to Israel. Israel has its own powerful military, and there is no reason for the US to make military guarantees.
The US, of course, should continue to shield Israel from the UN gang-mentality, all too eager to institute boycotts, sanctions, and criminal charges. The whole purpose of the UN is to dissolve identifiable nations: Israel first, US down the line. The US should also continue to trade with Israel and collaborate on technology, military and otherwise, as long as both countries do so on a mutually-beneficial basis.
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ibrahim itace muhammed says
jamie glazov,how can israel kill two states solution bearing in mind that the evil state of israhell was created on the basis of two solution pursuant to treaty of partition contained in un resolution no. 181 still in force?that supposition of killing two solution is no more than a folklore.tell evil jews the liars that mad devil trump cannot kill two state solution for them.let them continue with their myth of judea.idiots!
Keith Gilbert says
Call me an ‘evil Jew’ you islamic filth…islam must perish that the world survive…you are what you are, racial mongrels following an evil pedophile prophet based upon documents sold to him by Jewish & Christian scribes…the illiterate child molester murdered them all when they mocked him and revealed his/its evil intent. Yeah, call me names mongrel, mongrel of race and doctrine, I have plenty of bullets for your likes, all hollow point with hog fat in the hollow, bathed in pig blood…to please your ‘allah’ of course.
Angemon says
You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
gravenimage says
Jew-hating Mohammedan ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
jamie (sic) glazov,how (sic) can israel (sic) kill two states solution bearing in mind that the evil state of israhell (sic) was created on the basis of two solution pursuant to treaty of partition contained in un (sic) resolution no. 181 still in force?that (sic) supposition of killing two solution is no more than a folklore.tell (sic) evil jews (sic) the liars that mad devil trump (sic) cannot kill two state solution for them.let (sic) them continue with their myth of judea.idiots! (sic)
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This is Daniel Greenfield, not Jamie Glazov. Does muhammed think all “evil jews” look alike?
And there already is a two state solution–Israel and Jordan.
And Judea is not a “myth”. How ignorant of history is this Mohammedan? Wait..don’t answer that…
Annak says
Are you for real? Pontificating such dire ignorance in public view? Such utter twisted hatred?
I pity all your sort.
If only you could just get a life. For humanity’s sake as well as for yourselves.
Savvy Kafir says
The only way Israel can achieve peace & security is to deport Jew-hating, genocide-yearning Allah junkies.
Gene says
All that is true. The problem is what do you do with all of the so called “Palestinians?” Once Israel started down this road it helped to create the monster. Like the Egyptian, Arafat, most “Palestinians” were not from the area, they came to take advantage of high wages paid by Jews and then sought to kill them, the UN actually had to create a special designation for them because they didn’t qualify as refugees. But now they are there, building illegal settlements as fast as they can. There has never been a people so undeserving of a state as the “Palestinians,” but there they are. A two state solution won’t turn the terrorists into friendly peaceful neighbors. Nor will a one state solution turn Jew hating murdering Muslims into tolerant and peaceful neighbors. The main problem remains; what are you going to do with the “Palestinians?”
maghan says
The Palestine Mandate was for 2 states to be created: Israel and Jordan. So the Palestinians rightfully belong in Jordan. They can go there. If not, why not Arab Empire headquarters–Saudi Arabia?
Of course, they will not go. According to Muslim/Arab lore, once a land is conquered it belongs to the Arab holdings forever. Some are even bemoaning the fact that they “lost” Al Andalus, Spain.
gravenimage says
Daniel Greenfield Moment: Israel Must Kill the Two State Solution
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Yes. When I first heard about the “Two State Solution” as a teenager, I thought it sounded great. This is before I learned that the “Palestinians” are never going to act in good faith, and just seek the destruction of Israel.
somehistory says
The *two-state solution.*
The *state* of denial : denying that islam has no redeeming qualities, no virtue and that moslims don’t want peace with Israel…or anyone else. Denying that the moslims want to completely destroy the *State of Israel* and all Jews everywhere.
That *state* means there is no *solution* except to understand that moslims don’t want peace, they don’t want to share. And they will do everything they can to kill as many Jews as possible.
As Mr. Greenfield said, the *solution* is the *problem* and it means death to Israel.
Lawrence says
As Greenfield puts it, the two state solution is just another final solution. But nobody, not even Greenfield, takes it further. What does that tell us about those advocating such a solution, the liberal and yes conservative Jews among them? Does it not mean that they are genocidally anti-Semitic, just like the Nazis? How does it not? Are we going to say they are just naive and clueless dhimmis and leave it at that? It is worse than that, it is a genocidal Jew-hatred, clearly in effect. And if in effect how can it not be in intent, at least a lot of the time, from most of those advocating such a plan? Sure a lot of Jews are just hoodwinked here, but hoodwinked by a plan for another holocaust. To continue to push for the JEWS to surrender territory that cuts them near in half to the jihadists of the PLO and Hamas (and NOBODY else is being pushed to surrender territory to the Jihad), even after the Gaza and Lebanon experience, even after the last four wars Israel has fought as a consequence, can only be explained as a genocidal Jew-hate death wish. There is no other answer. I mean you have to willfully ignore Hamas ruled Gaza, aside from all the jihad against Israel coming from there.
That means that liberals especially, including Jewish liberals, are no better than Nazis, whether they succeed in their endeavor of getting Israel destroyed or not. Their mindset is the same as Nazis – a genocidal Jew-hatred. It is just disguised from itself by deceptive and dishonest cover terms and narratives such as peace, justice and dignity blah blah. Even authentic Zionists do not face up to this, because it means facing up to the fact that most of the West, and millions of Jews, are pushing for another Holocaust whilst simultaneously talking about how terrible the Nazis were and how much they love the Jews etc. I don’t know one scholar or commentator who is pointing this out, because it is too terrible to face up to. You could go mad thinking about it even. And yet until we face up to it, we are not getting to the heart of the issue, we are avoiding the terrible madness at the heart of all this two state final solution blather.
Mr. Maky Lemur says
The so called Palestinians must be resettled outside of Israel (including the “west Bank and Gaza). There is no other solution. I will repeat my usual comment: ISLAM DELENDA EST.
Keith Gilbert says
Actually there is one other solution, one more desirable in its permanence; we, all of US & Israel, must kill the enemy, begin and don’t stop until the job is finished…and they are all dead!
RonaldB says
We have met the enemy and he is us.
manu lui says
TWO STATE SOLUTION? I SAY THAT IT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ISRAEL. THIS KOCAMEMI COCK UP IDEAL THAT THE JACKASESS LIKE OBAMA AND BUTT KISSER JOHN KERRY COOKED UP KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT THE MURDERER SO CALLED PALESTINIAN,THE MUSLIM ARABS IS NOT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM WILL HONOR. AGAIN, KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT THE MUSLIMS ARE AIMING TO DO TO THE JEWS. I SAY THAT ALL WHO HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THESE MUSLIM MURDERERS, THE EUROPEAN UNION, OBAMA, KERRY AND BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE MURDER OF NUMEROUS JEWS/ISRAELIS. THESE ARE THE SCUMS OF THE EARTH. ISRAEL SHOULD BE SWAYED INTO THIS . IT IS SUICIDAL AND IT’LL NEVER WORK, NOW, TOMORROW OR EVER ANY DAY AND ANY GENERATION TO COME. MAY GOD BLESS THE JEWS/ ISRAEL..