AFDI Unveils Alarming New Video Showing Acceptance of Female Genital Mutilation at Columbia University
NEW YORK, January 3: The human rights advocacy group the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) today unveiled an alarming new video, filmed at Columbia University, showing that at Columbia University, an Ivy League school and one of the nation’s foremost centers of higher learning, most students are willing to condone female genital mutilation.
AFDI President Pamela Geller noted: “Students were asked if Planned Parenthood should fund and support female genital mutilation (FGM). FGM involves partial or total removal of the clitoris causing injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons. It has no health benefits for girls and women, and removes all possibility of sexual pleasure. It is the worst kind of misogyny. Procedures can cause severe bleeding and problems urinating, and later cysts, infections, as well as complications in childbirth and increased risk of newborn deaths.”
Geller explained: “We sent AFDI reporter Laura Loomer to Columbia and found the people there remarkably unconcerned about female genital mutilation. Probably because of fear of being called ‘racist’ or ‘Islamophobic,’ they condoned the introduction into the U.S. of this human rights abuse.”
The video shows the need for honest and realistic education about the crime of female genital mutilation, and the failure of the American academic establishment to provide that education.
linnte says
Oh my God.
Havoc says
“No Muslims. No Mosques”
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It works.
Shmooviyet says
And they hope Planned Parenthood will fund.
What these multi-culti idiots need is to see and hear video of FGM being done.
Maybe even that wouldn’t work in this collegiate world of people more concerned with proving their acceptance of all cultures as equal.
The videos would be banned as ‘phobic, anyway.
Keith Gilbert says
It is no different than cutting off one of the child’s hands.
john spielman says
and then progressing to chopping off the child’s head!
somehistory says
Say it like it is, and some say *no*…add the culture thingy and then it gets *tricky* and *insensitive* to say no.
And mostly because they are not the ones enduring the torment, the abuse, the pain. Children don’t always wish to continue the *culture* of their parents and grandparents…esp when such is painful or hurtful to the one being affected by said culture.
It’s a terrible thing that *culture* can take away God given rights and be the instrument of pain and even death.
gravenimage says
somehistory wrote:
Say it like it is, and some say *no*…add the culture thingy and then it gets *tricky* and *insensitive* to say no.
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Yes–and this was one of the guys who voiced at least some reservations. Many of the rest of these idiots just enthusiastically embraced publically funding these atrocities.
Dave says
Useful idiots about covers it.
rubiconcrest says
Excuse me but FGM should not to be confused with male circumcision as the questioner does in the video. It is removing or mutilating the clitoris, labia etc…. for no medical reason. Obviously, these students don’t know what it is and the questions posed in the video do nothing to solve this problem. It is shocking that the young women especially don’t seem to know what it is.
abad says
Oh they don’t. Please see my above post on just how misinformed so many girls are on their reproductive parts. I mean really misinformed. I swear they don’t know what’s inside their bodies. At least not what should be between their ears.
Apparently biology and anatomy/physiology is not taught in school anymore.
Kepha says
Most EmCeePeeCee is a kind of highly sheltered and deliberate ignorance. These kids look at the “noble savages” and pull the three monkeys trick–see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Then again, back when I was a kid, we weren’t that much more savvy. Had we been so, there would’ve been a few fewer of the girls savaged by all those Iranians and Saudis who were so ubiquitous on college campuses back then.
Achmed says
When I got to the part, in your comment about monkeys, I thought that you were describing mohammedans … until I read the next few words.
That’s a good thing … as I was going to chastise you for insulting monkeys.
Susette says
While I find the responses of most of these university students alarming, I believe that the interviewer misrepresented FGM with the more pleasant term “circumcision”, which it is not. I would have preferred the interviewer first provide the students with a graphic explanation or illustration of FGM, and then solicited their responses. The AFDI should not paint with a broad brush that Ivy League students support FGM. A small, edited sampling size was presented in the video that cannot be generalized to the population. The interviewer also was “leading the witness” by suggesting that opposing it would trample on a cultural practice. Sadly, the AFDI struck out on this one.
Lynne says
I completely agree. They didn’t know what they were talking about so were mislead.
jewdog says
This is the result of intellectual excess: The legitimate censure of racism based on physiological differences is carried to a logical absurdity in censuring any criticism of cultural differences. Putting aside the religious basis for FGM, the fact that it is widely practiced in Muslim cultures means that it will enjoy widespread immunity from the liberal-left thanks to cultural criticism being lumped together with racism. The irony is that the very people who claim the mantle of feminism are excusing the vilest misogyny.
I have no problem criticizing cultures, and leading my shit list is my alma mater, Columbia.
gravenimage says
True, Jewdog–opposition to actual racism is a good thing–opposition to any criticism of ideology–no matter how horrific–is in no way similar, but has often been conflated by witless multiculturalists.
marsfeld says
To be slightly fair with some of these sad little fuckwits, I get the impression SOME of them, despite of it all being fairly obvious, got the idea about FGM being somewhat of an autonomous decision of an adult woman over her own body, like someone getting an extreme body modification or tattoo inflicted on themselves – they seemed a little too dumb to get a grasp on the fact that it’s about parents deciding to destroy the sexuality and often health and life of their infant children.
Then again, some of them obviously DID get a grasp and still failed so disgustingly intellectually and morally. Columbia should cleanse the academic swamp of their students’ dangerous intellectual superficiality and misguidedness ASAP.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, it is Columbia itself that is enabling much of this idiocy.
Mirren10 says
Is this the whole video ?
Because if it is, whilst these young idiots (except for one) were busy spouting the whole multi culti crap, did the questioner make it clear **exactly** what FGM entails ? Did the questioner make it clear that this mutilation is done to **very young little girls** ? Did she make it clear what the health/sexual/childbirth effects would be ? I believe Ayaan Hirsi Ali was only five years old when this crime was done to her.
If the questioner *did* make clear what FGM does, and its health effects, then yes, I agree, their responses are absolutely horrific.
If she did not, and allowed them to assume FGM was similar to male circumcision, performed on older girls who had made that choice (!), as some of them seemed to think, then their responses, whilst extremely stupid, are not *quite* so horrific.
somehistory says
I wondered those things too. The few who seemed to understand what it is, for the most part, didn’t seem to be cognizant of the fact the *patient* has no choice in the matter.
The one guy was all for not, until she introduced it as a *culture* thing and then he wasn’t so sure. The two young women together seemed to have a better idea of what it was, but didn’t discuss that it is done to those who have no choice and are very young.
People make decisions without enough information. That is one reason the word *culture* can cause one to make the wrong decision. It is a verbal monkey wrench or a shoe of sabotage in the machinery of clear thinking..
PRCS says
I, too, wonder what their responses would have been had she asked about “female genital mutilation” performed–generally–on young girls who did not give their permission.
billybob says
These are good questions that also arose in my mind while watching. However, the point is that these people should know what FMG is and they apparently don’t. They are at one of America’s most prestigious universities and they are not being education about some of the most profound issues of our times???
As the world continues to shrink, and as immigration increases from all parts of the world, cultural practises that were once almost unknown become an in your face issue, and these kids know nothing about it? The educators have failed to prepare them for the modern world.
I first learned about FGM over a couple of decades ago, and I was shocked that such practices were a part of this modern world. FGM to me always represented one of the most horrible things that could be done to a woman – deliberately destroying her sexuality.
I do recall for a time in Britain they were trying to prevent this. I remember listening to a documentary, again maybe two decades ago, where health care workers were watching out for girls that were being taken out of country during school break to have the procedure performed. I remember thinking back then that these caring professionals were on top of the situation, or just about.
Now I look at the world and it seems nobody even tries to prevent it any more. Efforts for prevention are just not much in the news these days. Though I did see a documentary not long ago where a neighbourhood group in India were trying to stamp it out, it seems in the West, in England and North America, there is no more discussion about trying to prevent it. That would be politically incorrect.
So sad feminists don’t take up this issue. These days, they are more concerned about “tropes” in video games (whatever those are) then the health and well being of millions of their sisters.
Donna Maddern says
Why is this tied to Planned Parenthood? I would always be against fgm, but support Planned Parenthood. This vids agenda is unconscionable
miriamrove says
It is not unconscionable. I too support Planned parenthood. Those PC dumb ass students at Columbia are well aware of Planed Parenthood. By asking them weather PP should fund FGM, was meant to bring them into a conversation. What is unconscionable is that their answers should have been: What does FGM has to do with PP? And is more tragic is that those idiots have no idea what FGM is and how harmful and cruel is to those women who have no choice, but to give in. M
miriamrove says
Besides PP is a big opponent of males circumcision let alone FGM. m
Keith Gilbert says
“Saint” Margret Sanger had PP right in the beginning…today though it appears they, PP, have lost their way;
The way to make it all right with islam would be for all islamic men to have their entire penis cut off, not just the foreskin.
billybob says
I thought that was very clever, actually, to ask if Planned Parenthood should provide such a thing that they would be totally against. It was kind of a trick to reveal the ignorance of the respondents, should there be any – and as we saw, there was in abundance!
If I was the interviewer, I would have had a hard time trying to keep a straight face!
gravenimage says
How is this “unconscionable”? It is just proof that many of this twits would, without in many cases even understanding what FGM really is, be enthusiastic in urging us to publicly fund this. I didn’t read this as criticism of Planned Parenthood per se–we have no reason to believe that they are considering performing FGM.
Troybeam says
OK, so they say they support FGM, time to test what comes out of the mouths if ignorant adult children at colleges. Have them experience what they support, all it takes is ONE American female student to have this done and she’ll be screaming NO WAY NO HOW here in America.
billybob says
Neat idea. As some of the women if they would volunteer to have the procedure performed in solidarity with Muslim women. They could wear a hijab while having it done. I’m sure some of these idiots might have volunteered, not knowing what it is!
billybob says
“Ask some of the women” grrr…
Kepha says
In the immortal words of Charlie Brown, “AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGGGGHH!”
I’m afraid Uncle Kepha is the sort of person who feels sorry for a mangled dog lying in the road, even when he knows that the critter wouldn’t have been smashed had it not run out to try to bite the tires. In the same way, I’m horrified that one of these college airheads might actually do what is proposed here.
Lesley says
This is what you get when kids aren’t taught good values and consequences early on. I would bet those students weren’t disciplined as young children, have no idea of consequences based in reality, and seek out safe spaces when someone disagrees with them.
I’ve heard them referred to as snowflakes, but really they’re more like balloons floating where they will in their heads without any concept of what reality is.
Westman says
If this is typical of Columbia students, the parents are throwing away their money – they would be better served by a less expensive state or local college.
When a PC-over-good-sense mind is educated, at a first-rate university, it results in a Prince Charles clone.
Try this poll again by holding up a blade used for FGM and ask, “Do you approve of cutting out a girl’s clitoris with this for religion or tradition?”, and, “Would you allow your own parents to do have this done to you?”
Dan says
Comparing male to female circumcision like comparing clipping fingernails to lopping off the whole dang hand.
maghan says
Both are vile and primitive practices. The probability of death as a result of MGM is greater that 0. In fact, infants have died as a result of the surgery. Nature has structured the human body a certain way; why mutilate it for silly reasons based on superstition? The nations where males live the longest–Japan and Scandinavia do not indulge in such.
Wellington says
Your ignorance, maghan, is showing most glaringly. Male circumcision has many benefits as outlined at a site like that of the Mayo Clinic, among them being easier hygiene, a decrease in urinary tract infections, a decrease in sexually transmitted diseases and less likelihood of penile cancer. Male circumcision comes with no down side while female circumcision comes with loads of problems, among them being a greater likelihood of urinary tract infections and an inability to experience much if any sexual pleasure. As for your implicit claim that males live longer because they are not circumcised I think this is pure rot and I challenge you to provide evidence for this assertion of yours.
Just A Concerned Citizen says
Respectfully, it is now your ignorance that is showing.
A simple Google search for “circumcision harm” would do for starters if you had any intention of learning, although it is quite clear after all this time that you have no intention of doing so and will only continue to parrot this tripe. There is no excuse for ignorance on your part in this day and age on this subject, and all the cognitive dissonance in the world isn’t going to help.
It’s sad that you still haven’t been able to grasp that forcefully cutting healthy erogenous flesh from either gender is wrong. Until you DO, you can expect to be called on your bullshit.
maghan says
Not ignorance at all. I am stating EMPIRICAL facts. On the disease issue: Scandinavians and Japanese males live longest and in much better health than others.
On the issue of fertility, the 2 nations with the largest populations are China and India. The Chinese and non-Muslim Indians do not indulge in MGM.
Follow my argument if you could: I am not saying that males live longer because they are not circumcised. I am saying that the practice does not confer any health benefits on those that engage in that ritual.
I say it again: every organ or structure that has evolved on the human body serves a specific biological function, so why interfere with what nature has evolved with evolutionary and fitness purpose. Dogs, cats, horses, etc. do not undergo that procedure and they seem to be OK without it.
If your issue is disease and infection, then why not advocate the same for females with goal being to remove the external labia altogether. That would certainly cut down on the billions spent on all those pharmaceutical products for females.
Wellington says
To maghan and Just A Concerned Citizen: You either listed no source for your assessments or the generic “Google Search.” Concerned Citizen, you were so sloppy in your response that you didn’t even bother to mention one example of harm while I pointed out several benefits of male circumcision. I referenced the Mayo Clinic site. The American Cancer site is yet another SPECIFC site you might want to take a look at on the matter of male circumcision.
Neither of you have provided me ANY scientific or medical evidence for your grossly negligent assessment of male circumcision. Also, the correlations you stated, maghan, are just that, correlations, and you know or should know that correlation studies do not constitute scientific proof and actually have an atrocious track record where accuracy is concerned.
Your turn, either one, if you care. If you can.
gravenimage says
While no one has brought it up, I thought I would address the issue of ability to feel sexual pleasure and male circumcision. I had a male friend who had the relatively rare experience of being circumcised for medical reasons as an adult (his foreskin hadn’t grown as quickly as the rest of his anatomy, and became quite painful).
He said that there was absolutely no difference in sensitivity before and after. The only negative thing was that he had a bit more scarring than he would have had had he had the procedure done when he was younger.
I am now fairly agnostic on male circumcision. I can see the argument that healthy tissue should not be removed, as well as the argument that this should be a choice made by adults; I can also see the argument for health benefits of circumcision.
Whatever one’s decisions, it is clear that male circumcision is *nothing* like FGM, and it is unfortunate that the same word is used to describe these very different matters.
maghan says
To Wellington,
You are introducing irrelevant ideas into the discussion just to muddy the waters. I stated the empirically proven fact that MGM confers no health benefits on those who undergo the ritual procedure. If it did, then those countries where the procedure is routine would register greater life expectancy than those that didn’t. The opposite is the the case. Japan and the Scandinavian nations don’t indulge in the practice and the males of those nations register the best results for longevity and general health in the world. So obviously, MGM confers no health benefits for males, ceteris paribus.
Co-relations that are statistically accurate often demonstrate close connections between phenomena. Examples: cigarette smoking and lung cancer, levels of education and income, etc.
But all in all, there is the issue of rights. No person has the right to remove any portion of a child’s anatomy without consent. There are cases where individuals have sued their parents for allowing such a procedure to be performed on them. Some research scientists on the matter also claim that the practice destroys huge amounts of sensory nerve endings and is, therefore, medically problematic.
One must be strictly objective on such matters bearing in mind that where human sensitivities enter the picture, passionate arguments could be put forward that are founded on ideological and cultural assumptions that do not stand up to unbiased appraisal. Note that at one time serious and respected medical authorities stated that the benefit of male circumcision was to prevent masturbation. On the face of it, that’s absurd but medical doctors believed it.
Wellington says
Regarding your 6:33 P.M. post, maghan, I find it beyond pathetic. Your stating that male circumcision, which you deceitfully call Male Genital Mutilation (MGM), confers no health benefits is DIRECTLY contradicted by sites like the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic. Or do you know more than they do at these said highly respected medical institutions?
As for your contention that male circumcision has been empirically proven to not confer benefits, you provide zero evidence of this (contra what the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, the American Cancer Society, the US Center for Disease Control {CDC} assert) and you stupidly, yes stupidly, draw a false conclusion that ONLY if life expectancy were longer in countries where male circumcision was routine would this validate male circumcision, never mind that the reasons for longer life expectancy in one country versus another are so myriad that to isolate, as you have, this matter can only lead me to conclude that you’re not very bright.
Equally preposterous is your claim that “Some research scientists” claim that male circumcision destroys nerve endings. No scientific or medical evidence exists to support your absurd claim and you provided no specific research to back up your absurdity. Indeed, as sites like the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic very clearly indicate, male circumcision in NO WAY has deleterious nerve effects. NONE.
You are a dealer in vague generalities and overall ignorance. In short, you are a peddler in quack science and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Respecting rights, parents should have the right to make determinations about their children which can benefit them. Considering all the benefits of male circumcision, as outlined at such sites as those of the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic, benefits which you have not bothered or tried to negate by SPECIFIC scientific and medical evidence of your own, your going on about right is risible and irresponsible. Parents must often make decisions early on about their child’s health and overall well being, guided by expert medical care, and the likes of you would take this right away and just expand the nanny state that many Western nations are now suffering from.
Truly, I find your “reasoning” on the matter of male circumcision, if you can dignify it with this term, to be so rooted in ignorance and lack of true medical science, that you invite my contempt completely. You also are guilty of equating a sound medical procedure, male circumcision, with the barbarism that is female circumcision. Profound shame on you for this.
Done here except to say if you mess with me you had better come prepared with facts aplenty to prove me wrong. To date you have done no such thing. Instead, you have promoted ignorance masquerading as knowledge. Yes indeed, beyond pathetic are you.
Peggy says
Unless there is a medial reason for this, there is no benefit at all.
We are told that it is cleaner. If men don’t shower regularly then hey are not clean regardless and if they do they are clean regardless.
Maybe in the olden times in the desert it was viewed as cleaner because nobody really practiced good hygiene.
Some doctors refuse to do it because there is no benefit unless there is a problem and it needs to be done.
Wellington says
Have you bothered, Peggy, to go to the Mayo Clinic or Cleveland Clinic sites I have indicated? Both sites list a multitude of benefits from male circumcision.
And your statement that “Some doctors refuse to do it because there is no benefit……” clearly suffers from vagueness big time. Why not cite reliable sources as I have with the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, the CDC and the American Cancer Society? I say you can’t and thus here you are deficient——-big time.
Why does all this matter? Because accuracy in countering ignorance and malevolence are crucial. And when anyone asserts, as some here on this thread have, that male circumcision is as barbaric as female circumcision (which the latter is), then it waters down the truth and when the truth is watered down it is in greater peril, and God knows even when it is not watered down it is still in peril enough.
Learn, Peggy.
Achmed says
I was somewhat buying into your comment, until you stated that circumcision reduced sexually transmitted disease. Face it, a bald face lie is a bald faced lie … and you just told a whopper.
maghan says
http://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/general/warren2/
http://www.circinfo.org/Warren.html
The above scientific research has been peer-reviewed
Wellington says
Achmed: Both the Mayo Clinic cite and the Cleveland clinic site state explicitly that one of the advantages of male circumcision is that circumcision reduces the risk of sexually transmitted disease. If you have a problem with what I asserted here about male circumcision than you have a problem with two of the most prestigious medical institutions not only in the United States but in the world.
And what is your back-up, what are your sources for your skepticism? You named none. This won’t do.
Wellington says
Maghan: Your first and third articles you provided a link to come form a tendentious site that has an agenda and thus is not rooted in true science. The second article you provided a link to, coming from The British Journal of Sexual Medicine, a journal I am not familiar with, states that it is erroneous that circumcision helps protect against sexually transmitted diseases. This is flatly contradicted by what both the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic have stated. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of medical science as evidenced by the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, the US Center for Disease Control (CDC), the American Cancer Society, et al. are clearly and unambiguously behind the contention that male circumcision provides numerous benefits and does not have downside effects that FGM certainly does like urinary problems and the capacity for sexual pleasure.
At the very least I have confronted you with significant medical evidence backing up my assertion that male circumcision does not constitute mutilation, actually has many benefits and with virtually no downside. You are faced with this evidence, such as that from the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic. Are you just going to pretend such evidence does not exist and continue going on drawing an inaccurate and grossly negligent parallel between the barbaric practice which is female circumcision and the medically sound procedure which is male circumcision? I hope not.
Ashley says
Nature has structured the human body a certain way; why mutilate it for silly reasons based on superstition?
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The only time I ever hear about an appendix is when it ruptures.
My point being that not all elements of the human body serve a function. We don’t need our appendix…but should it rupture, we’re in deep shit. Motherfucker appendix is a walking time bomb in our bodies.
I have to side with Wellington here. He cited the Mayo Clinic and their findings regarding male circumcision. He’s a man (I think).
God…I hope JW doesn’t become a forum for this sort of discussion. I think there is still a mass murderer on the loose for the Turkey massacre. I’LL PUT MY ATTENTION ON THAT MATTER.
Wellington says
For the record, Ashley, the Cleveland Clinic lists even more benefits of male circumcision than does the Mayo Clinic. On the matter of relevancy, I think this issue is important because female circumcision is barbaric and with zero benefits, indeed many negatives, while male circumcision has numerous benefits with zero liabilities. The only possible negative to male circumcision is that it may be performed improperly (which is exceedingly rare), but then many operations that are beneficial can be performed improperly so this objection to male circumcision is mixing apples with oranges. In combatting the many barbarisms perpetrated by Islam, I think it imperative that faux equivalency thinking be absent and this kind of unjustified thinking is exactly what occurs when ignorant people describe female circumcision and male circumcision as equally barbaric.
For the additional record, I am a male. Finally, I would like to thank gravenimage for her input here. Perhaps maghan and Just A Concerned Citizen will learn something from this thread. Let’s hope so.
maghan says
Some scientists argue that the appendix does serve the function of being a “storehouse for good bacteria”. But even if the appendix were a vestigial organ, it would not sensible to subject infants to routine removal of their appendixes–as in the case of male infants and MGM. After all, some die undergoing that procedure.
Peggy says
So should be routinely remove the appendix from our young children and call it religion?
Tonsils can be nasty as well but should we all remove them in the name of religion?
Why put children through unnecessary pain if there is no need?
There are billions of men out there who have not been circumcised and they are fine.
I remember a Turkish women saying how she will definitely circumcise her son because not to do so would be really dirty. I just turned to my husband and said “you dirty, dirty man”.
Kepha says
Indeed.
Ella Rogers says
Ivy League? Their ignorance is such that it is surprising that they made it to any university. Do they have any principles? I am lost for words. FGM is one of the most barbaric practices on the planet.
John A. Marre says
This is because most Muslims have dark skin, meaning that they are “oppressed,” and so their religion and inhuman practices are immediately accepted as perfectly good.
miriamrove says
This is because most Muslims have dark skin,
What do you mean by this? m
gravenimage says
miriam, many Western Liberals consider most Muslims to be “people of color”, and hence any criticism of Islam is considered “racist”.
Of course, you know that many Iranians–Iran is the home of the original “Aryans”–are quite light-skinned.
maghan says
Turks, Albanian, Bosnians, Lebanese, and Chechnyans too.
maghan says
Many Muslims don’t have dark skin as in Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Albania, Chechnya, Turkey, etc.
Kepha says
Lipka, Volga, Crimean, Ili, and other Tatars; a good many Uyghurs and Kasakhs; Bosniaks; Pomaks; Muslim Pontics; dotty former British colonial officials and American consuls; a fair number of North Africans…Even Hui sometimes have a pinkish skin (as can be found among other heirs of the Hua-Xia civilization.
Atheist Kaffur says
Amazing, unbelievable ignorance and lack of morality in this generation. Cultural relativism at its best. Thank goodness some of the interviewed had an opinion. There are some cultures that are better than others stand up for moral objectivity. F**k cultural relativism. Bunch of ignorant dumb asses.
Champ says
Have these “students” taken leave of their senses? And have their moral compasses gone haywire? Appears that way …
marina says
Why don’t these kids try to understand what is involved in FGM instead of repeating the same crappy statement “it’s a cultural thing”. FMG is a clear violation of human rights. It’s pathetic to think that these Ivy League students are the future of our country.
Harry Harif says
Parents are paying upwards of $70,000 a year for this so called higher education? I rather send my children to a community college. I am terrified for my grandchildren if this is what education is and becoming.
Angemon says
I’m going to play devil’s advocate for those ignorant millennials and bring forth the possibility that a number of those idiots might have answered differently if the term used was the more blunt and to-the-point female genital mutilation (or not, seeing how the moron who was bright enough to ask if it was the same as FGM didn’t commit to an answer and instead said it was “tricky” because he’d come out as insensitive in either case). Which, all things considered, is no sort of excuse or saving grace because all that proves is that they can virtue-signal and react badly to the words “female genital mutilation” (as opposed to “female circumcision”).
Oddly (or not), the only student saying “No” right out of the bat had a non-American accent my non-American ears can’t identify.
gravenimage says
Angemon wrote:
Oddly (or not), the only student saying “No” right out of the bat had a non-American accent my non-American ears can’t identify.
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Yes, I noticed that, as well, Angemon. I believe she sounded eastern European–although I cannot identify her accent beyond this.
JawsV says
Absolute morons.
LairdKintyre says
Amazing how many of these students are the same who support abortion based mainly on the argument that women should control their own bodies. Yet somehow that argument is not possible in this instance because the students don’t want to impose a judgement on another culture. Bill Maher in one of his few moments of clarity once said, “all cultures are different. But some just aren’t different, they are better”. The problem is due to Multiculturalism, the young in the West have been indoctrinated to beleive they have no culture at least one not worthy of promoting and defending. I’m reminded of the British governor in India 150 years ago when he told a group of men who demanded the reininstated of the practice of widows of high ranking men being thrown on their husbands funeral pyre because it was a great tradition of theirs. The governors reply, “in England we also have a tradition, we hang scoundrels who murder women. Yes please keep your tradition and rest assured I’ll be keeping mine”. When will the West find that kind of courage again? It begins with draining the swamp of these college leftist indoctrination centres.
somehistory says
Your comment reminds me of some years ago, a friend telling me that *white people don’t have a culture.* When I responded, “Yes we do,” she asked, “What is it” as though it could be summed up in a word.
It has come to the point that white people are not allowed to have a *culture* and most conform and give way to anything other races…and include the non-race race of islam…wish to impose.
gravenimage says
Yes–I remember a radio DJ and his co-host a few years ago sneering that white people had no culture–he said, “what would it be? Mayonnaise?”
Apparently democracy and the great artistic achievements of Europe and her cultural heirs completely escaped him…
somehistory says
How hard must they swallow when seeing paintings of Mozart, or Van Gogh, and/or photos of the other unnumbered white people who gave us so much in the way of art, music, literature, and a goodly measure of justice, inventions to make life easier, healthier, etc.
Kepha says
I can’t stand mayonnaise myself–but I love rye bread, salume, corned beef, dill pickles, smoked fish…
To any conservative college students lurking here: find like-minded classmates, develop cell groups, and when you have enough, sit in in the dean’s office, make loud demands, and call the head of the Women’s Studies Dept. a rape-enabler. Be loud, demanding, obnoxious, shut things down, burn a few tires, cynically use the killing, accidental or otherwise, of one of your number in some altercation as a martyrdom, and, in short, generally act like Leftists did back in my day. [sarc] Heck, don’t think for a moment that it was any intellectual rigor that got these tenured radicals where they are today.
duh swami says
It’s disgusting…If you support disgusting you i must be a Muslim or a liberal…
davej says
“It’s a cultural thing” ? Would they say the same thing about beheadings and honor killings?
Yes, I bet some of them do. They are taught that “diversity” is an absolute good, so the wider the diversity and the more bizarre the cultural norms the better. They think it makes them “enlightened” when it actually demonstrates they have no moral discernment or firm principles.
Their guilt response to historical colonization and exploitation of the 3rd world has been manipulated so they think that civilization should now bow down to savages.
R Russell says
I hope the ones who approve are first in the queue to have the procedure – in the same way it is done overseas – no anaesthetic and no sterile instruments. And when they have their urethra torn during childbirth and suffer permanent urinary incontinence they realise what it is like to smell of stale urine 24/7. Some people just don’t learn until they have learned the hard way.
miriamrove says
@Meghan and Concern Citizen: Both of you like Wellington said are ignorant. The reason the started MGM was because of Hygenes and back then they were getting a lot of infections. Even these days there are scientific research that men who have not MGM are at the bigger risk of Aids. That is why centuries ago men shaved. That reduced the likely of lice etc….and youe analogy about the Indian population is far off it is not even funny. Hundreds of thousand infants die a year in India. They are back wards and have yet gotten the concept of birth control.. you throw enough shit to wall some of will stick and that is what is happening in India. m
gravenimage says
True–just having large populations is not proof of advanced medical standards.
maghan says
I state empirical facts and the uninformed and non-reflective response is to say “ignorant”. My point is that Scandinavian and Japanese males are the most long-lived and the most healthy of all the world’s males. And they are much too sensible to take a knife to the genitals of male infants. In fact, only about 20% of the world’s population practices MGM–and it’s mainly with the world’s primitive peoples.
Kepha says
It’s not MGM. It’s circumcision–the loss of a little bit of skin that helps make keeping clean a little easier, doesn’t slow guys down or hurt their wives; and some generally honorable people say it’s a covenant with God. God himself, when he became man and dwelt among us, underwent it (Luke 2).
MGM is how you get eunuchs. I’ll stop here.
maghan says
To Kepha and Wellington:
http://www.circinfo.org/Warren.html
A useful paper on the topic.
Morbidity rate for neonatal circumcision:
At least 100 annually
http://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
Peggy says
That is my take on it as well.
We are civilized and keep clean. There is no difference between a clean circumcised man to a clean uncircumcised man.
As far as diseases are concerned, anyone can get STI including circumcised men. I don’t see any reports stating that males should have it done. If it made a difference I am sure that our health department would recommend it just like they recommend vaccines.
Also, many men would circumcise their sons because they wanted them to be the same as them so it went on like that but it has slowed down quite a bit.
Peggy says
From what I’ve read there are only slight benefits of circumcision and slight risks.
According to the Australian Medical Society the benefits are not enough to warrant for circumcision to be advised for male babies.
STI can still be caught either way so it is advisable to use condoms. If good hygiene is practiced both are good.
I really don’t see a reason for putting a baby through unnecessary pain.
AuthorLee says
Demonstrates that spending tens of thousands of dollars on an Ivy League education is a total waste of money. Send the little darlings to nursing school, that is if their IQ is high enough to be able to do the work.
But wait, gee wiz. They don’t want the procedure, but it is okay for young Muslim girls to be butchered in the name of Allah. Wouldn’t want to be an Islamophobe would we.
gravenimage says
Exclusive AFDI video: Columbia students support female genital mutilation
…………………………
Given the trends, I was afraid we might someday see this sort of insanity on college campuses.
That we only saw one firm “no”, and a couple of people who rather weakly expressed some reservations is deeply alarming.
Most seemed to just glibly chalk up their support to “choice”–even when, as one man happily embraced there being “no age limit”. Didn’t this fool realize that this meant families doing this *to young children*? But he didn’t appear to grasp that this is what this would mean–instead, he just seemed to consider it somehow more “inclusive”.
Thanks to Pamela Geller and AFDI for exposing this madness.
Ashley says
I liked the dude who thought FGM was somehow associated with an IUD.
🙂
gravenimage says
Yes–I noticed that, as well, Ashley…
Ashley says
With all due respect to Pamela Geller and Laura Loomer…I have a very hard time believing that only one in 20 Columbia University students adamantly oppose FGM. Just how many students were asked their opinion on the matter to come up with this shocking and grotesque”one in 20″ ratio?
I feel this piece may have been heavily edited. I’m sorry…I just do. I strongly believe voices of dissent re: FGM were deliberately edited out to paint a particular picture and advance a particular agenda.
I “hang” with a pretty liberal and educated crowd…I do NOT know a single man or woman who believes FGM is a cultural ritual deserving of respect. Good God…what about the very word “mutilation” is there to respect????
Again…nothing against Pamela and/or Laura. It is just that I’m just questioning the “slant” delivered in this video and I’m curious about this “one in 20” shit.
Of course, it is entirely possible that I’m hopelessly naïve…
Fuck…honor killings are a “cultural ritual.” I doubt if these Columbia students endorse such behavior.
End of rant. Thanks for listening…
Mirren10 says
I agree with your reservations, Ashley; it would be useful to know, as I said in my earlier post, if these students were aware of what FGM actually involves. Some of them seemed to think it was a choice made by adults to have * it done to themselves*.
One could argue, I suppose, that they **should** be aware of what FGM involves, but what percentage of the adult population at large is aware of this ?
billybob says
You may well be right. I think first and foremost the objective of the video was to provoke discussion, and it was considered that the means justified the end. These days this particular format is quite common on YouTube. For example, there is some guy down on the beaches in SoCal asking the stupidest questions, like “Do you think the second amendment should be repealed”. They can always find some idiots, or more likely, catch people totally off guard, to be entertaining.
In the case of this video, I have no doubt it was heavily edited. Once I consider that, I ask myself, to what end? For me the answer is to provoke discussion and spread awareness, and that can’t be a bad thing. It doesn’t pretend to be a scientific poll after all, and any fool knows, or should know, you can’t believe everything you see on the internet.
Thinking a little further about the possible motive for making such a video, it seems to me that is a direct attack on cultural relativism, and thereby an attack on the PC progressive left who would ruin our country.
Achmed says
How many years have passed since you visited an Ivy League school, or a state university for that matter?
Around one year ago, I was fortunate to be able to meet and have discussions, with undergraduate students, at the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis. I was shocked … and, no exaggeration intended, shocked at how uninformed these people were. Moreover, I was exceedingly shocked by conversations with some of their graduate student T.A.s
History majors AND their doctoral candidate T.A.s did not know that there was not even the name “Palestine”, until the Emperor Hadrian. When shown quotes from Arafat and his proteges, wherein they made statements that “The Palestinian People does [SIC] not exist.”, they were in complete denial. One doctoral candidate (T.A.) asked, “Who was Arafat?”. It was bad enough that the undergraduates were so ill informed. However, some of their teaching assistants … most doctoral candidates … that was beyond the pale.
Just the attitudes and seemingly complete lack of knowledge of their areas of major study … it was beyond belief.
I don’t believe this video was heavily edited. Moreover, I would be willing to give odds that the twenty to one figure is accurate.
gravenimage says
Ashley and Mirren, I think it was because it was described as “female circumcision”, rather than as “female genital mutilation”. But considering this is how it is characterized by Muslim apologists, I think this was quite valid.
I don’t believe that only one in twenty students actually oppose this–but I do believe that only this many either knew anything about it or were willing to ask before spouting off. Most university students have had their opinions–no matter how ignorant or ill-informed–treated as sacrosanct since toddlerhood.
I still live not far from UC Berkeley, where I went to college–I imagine the results would be quite similar there.
Peggy says
Whatever the reasons are, these are our next leaders. How scary is that?
Mirren10 says
”Ashley and Mirren, I think it was because it was described as “female circumcision”, rather than as “female genital mutilation”. But considering this is how it is characterized by Muslim apologists, I think this was quite valid..”
I have to disagree with you on this, graven.
Naturally muslim apologists will try to put a gloss on **mutilation**, and instead use the word ”circumcision”. FGM is, of course, as we all know, radically different from male circumcision.
We, however, should not copy them; we should describe the process exactly as it is, without mealy mouthed euphemisms.
As I said in my earlier post, the video doesn’t make it clear whether or not these students were told exactly what FGM involves, and to whom. If they were, then their responses are indeed horrifying; if, however, they were given a euphemistic gloss, as it would appear from what the interviewer says, then their responses, whilst typically PC/MC idiocies, are marginally less horrifying.
gravenimage says
Mirren, I believe that this video is extremely revealing, and is useful for that reason. Many *will* describe FGM as “circumcision”–out of ignorance or deliberate Taqiyya–and it is important to know if people are savvy enough to see through that–obviously, few here were.
I agree that these twits missing this renders their reaction marginally less horrifying–in fact, I noted that elsewhere on this thread.
Personally, I think that revealing endeavors like this one *and* earnest attempts to educate are both very important.
Mirren10 says
”Personally, I think that revealing endeavors like this one *and* earnest attempts to educate are both very important.”
I agree on both points, graven.
Peggy says
Maybe many of the students asked have the same opinion but are too scared to say so publically.
It’s like Trump not leading in the polls and then just being narrowly ahead. Then we find that he had a pretty good win.
Too many people are too scared to be open about some things.
JEROME HENEN says
Helloooooooo, are these people insane or what. First off there is no benefit to FGM. Secondly it is usually performed in barbaric unhygienic ways and there can be lasting negative results like incontinence. Thirdly, unlike male circumcision , it denies the affected female any pleasure from sex at all. And for people to say its their choice, well it is not , it is imposed on them and it is yet another an islamic backward activity , like stoning or beheading.
billybob says
Stoning will be next weeks video. “Do you think Planned Parenthood should support the stoning of rape victims?” duh…
1reader says
I am disgusted at the total inability to determine the difference between good and evil, in this generation! FGM is ABUSE. IT IS HATRED OF WOMEN. – Anything less than THAT from any educated person is pure delusion, which is at its heart, evil.
Achmed says
Good grief and a “Judas” thrown in for good measure … An “innie”, something every SJW third wave feminist wants one … it’s the new cultural diversity thing to do.
August West says
This is a very effective video.
The idea of mixing text based facts in with the interviews is exactly the best way to narrate these videos. Doing it on an ivy league campus is also a very good way tof add credibility to the study.
Providing a chart of statistics at the end would be even better. An indication of the sample size would also help.
This was far and away superior to the grand central station video.
linnte says
After thinking long and hard about this video, I have questions for the questioner and I’d like to make a statement. First, how could she know if the students understood what FGM/female circumcision is and who it is normally done TO?. Second, where did the video maker get the idea that Planned Parenthood was going to bring in FGM as a medical procedure?
Wouldn’t it have been more productive to perhaps create flyers on the subject, pass them out, give students a chance to answer questions like in the above video a week after distributing the flyers? Of course the information in the flyer should have as many proven truthful links as possible. And photos, AND a person to reference, like Hirsi Ali.
What is the goal here? To show US HOW IGNORANT the students are, or to get them educated about a profoundly serious subject that they could possibly affect change in FGM reporting or stopping? Sometimes I think we hang ourselves by mumbling and groaning about the Left/progressive people, when we could ourselves be affecting change by producing evidence. Just sayin’.
Kay says
I want to vomit and scream and cry all at once!
How can this be? Understanding is beyond me!
Decades ago I heard about this atrocity, this mutilation, apparently culturally sanctioned. It was so suckening to me and holds so many health and other risks for women that when I even first heard about Somalians coming here, I remembered this horror.
Sorry– I couldn’t even watch the video. The very thought that bright young Americans wouldn’t be similarly horrified is too much!
(I’ll go scream and cry and vomit in succession.)
Sick! Sick! Sick! Sick! Sick people!
Peggy says
Maybe these “enlightened” and “educated” females should be asked what benefits are obtained from FGM.
Also, would they like to have it and if not why not?
Sibila says
Generation lost in translation.
Media keeps with “Girl dies from FGM” so the people rightly conclude ‘that whatever crappy cultural thingy’ is better to be done ‘properly’ and in a controlled condition, and for that reason, they support the funding.
People have to be educated on an issue: and cultures in question (for their sake), and the public – for Goodness sakes!!
Baucent says
This is a good example of how political correctness indoctrination makes people avoid making the common sense choice, for fear of appearing insensitive to “diversity.” These same people on another subject would defend the child’s “right to choose” as it’s “their body”, But not with FGM, on this issue the parent’s cultural beliefs are deemed more important.
billybob says
Right on!
Troybeam says
FGM is not a cultural belief: Sharia law states on page 59 e43, Arabic version is as written:(Book Reliance of the Traveller: Islamic Sacred Law
“Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glands of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called HufaaD)
The English version is the same for men however for the women its states that the prepuce of the clitoris (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris/foreskin of penis) be removed, not the clitoris. while stating it is a courtesy to the husband.
The conflict from the Arabic reading and the English reading is to make the English reading less threatening. Listen People, No one should trust Islam, period.
f c king says
While they’re down there, they should do tubal litigation.
Paul Ashley says
What this really shows is how ignorant the young are of this practice in particular, and the world in general. Had they used the term Female Genital Mutilation, they may have gotten more negative responses. .
Peter Ahlskog says
In some Muslim countries the highest sexual pleasure for men is anal sex . A woman gets – after this disgusting cutting and sewing – in fact to wholes which feels like anus for the man to penetrate. And when one baby has been born with incredible pain for the FGM-woman, they sew it tight again for the husband’s pleasure. For her every intercourse is torture.
Well, it’s not possible to get any true statistics from Mohammadan countries, because they smile all lie too us kafur, (kafir in plural), just has the Koran instructs them to do. The statistics is probably best in North European countries, and in Denmark, Norway and Sweden there are hundreds of discovered cases every year. We all read or see stories about how little Fatima is taken on holiday to grandma in Sudan, and comes back with FGM performed and a nasty infection från a dirty peace of glass (that’s how most cases are discovered).
FGM and forced marriages are the highest reasons for teenage suicide cases among Muslim girls in Europe. The third highest reasons are honor killing (the girl jumped from the balcony, the girl throw herself in front of a train och a car, Fatima hanged herself in the apartment, it were 12 people there but nobody heard or saw anything. Etc).
The police cannot do proper investigations. These crimes are performed on holidays in the MENA-area and the real and faked girl suicides are taking place in Europe. In the No-Go Zones from Milan in Italy up to Narvik in Norway, From Dublin to Moscow. Nobody will tell the police anything. And usually they start throwing stones on the police and beat them up. On the way to East End in London there is a big home-made sign telling: HERE ENDS BRITISH LAW. HERE STARTS SHARIAH LAW. They have a similar sign in ROSENGÅRD in Malmö in Sweden too.
My dream is that Trump and Putin very soon will have a meeting about how to force the Muslims back to their home countries. If not, USA and Russia will get a hell in a few years from an Europe with the fascist ideology Islam.
Richard Courtemanche says
Most interviewees were not really aware of the issues and responded accordingly. Well-informed people would not agree otherwise unless they’re stupid.
DiogeneUSA says
I don’t imagine that very many American girls will be lining up for their turn under the knife!!!
Peggy says
At least as many as are falling in love and marrying these savages.
Screeminmeeme says
Odd that Allah would create women with a clitoris and then demand that men cut it off.
Could be that there is no ‘Allah’.
Could be that the Quran is lie.
Could be that Islam’s systemic misogyny is the creation of Satan, the Despiser of mankind.
#BanIslam
billybob says
…or could it be that Allah just hates women? That he created them to kick around? In many cultures, when somebody has had a bad day, they kick the dog. In Muslim countries they don’t have dogs. For that reason, Allah created women.
bobm says
islam is a cult … hates blames EVE to this day… dead in trespasses and sin… under the curse of the law … insanely proud of their denial of the solution.. (The Lamb and Son of God).. and pathologically hateful in envious rage of the carriers of the Promises of Salvation (Jews)….. and those wo have believed)….the are antichrist…1 John 2:22…. he that believes not in the Father and Son is a LIAR….. he is antichrist
Eric Jones says
I watched video and in all fairness the questioner did not clearly describe what FGM is. Using the term female circumsciscion underplays the issue. There should not be any govmt funding for FGM. Its mutilation plan and simple.
Eric
bobm says
any male .. family or “.physician”.. shall be penis decapped in response… then deported .. any female …deported if involved….
Keith Gilbert says
I have said as much myself…otherwise all islamic males are in violation of their very own strictures that prohibit pleasure for women…the pleasure prohibition must be universal between both islamic men & women…allah would want it so. This would not prevent ‘reproduction’ but it might slow it down a bit.
bobm says
bingo