This all sounds great, and is long overdue in view of the fact that such mosques teach hatred of unbelievers and the necessity ultimately to subjugate them under the rule of Islamic law, but how does Sigmar Gabriel propose to distinguish Salafist mosques from “moderate” ones? Will he monitor the teaching in all mosques? Will he require that mosques institute programs to teach against the jihadis’ understanding of Islam? What will he do if he discovers that a mosque previously deemed to be “moderate” is teaching an understanding of Islam he thought to be uniquely “Salafist”?
Gabriel, meanwhile, for all his tough talk about Salafist mosques, clearly has no clue about the nature of the problem. He called for making sure that “urban areas are not neglected, villages do not fall into disrepair and people do not become more and more radicalized,” indicating that he believes in the oft-discredited assumption that poverty causes terrorism. What will he do when he showers money on Muslim communities and then finds that they’re still preaching jihad and Islamic supremacism?
“German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel calls for ban on Islamist mosques,” DW, January 6, 2017:
Social Democrats leader and German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel has called for tougher measures against Islamist trends in Germany. His demands come just weeks after the “Islamic State”-claimed terror attack in Berlin.
In an interview with German weekly Der Spiegel, German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel said that “Salafist mosques must be banned, communities dissolved, and the preachers should be expelled as soon as possible.”
“Those who encourage violence do not enjoy the protection of religious freedom,” the leader of the Social Democrats (SPD) added, stressing that he had “zero tolerance” in combating Islamism.
‘Cultural fight’
Radical Islamism is regarded as the fastest-growing extremist movement in Germany. Its followers are convinced that Islam and modernity cannot be reconciled.
“If we are serious about the fight against Islamism and terrorism, then it must also be a cultural fight,” Gabriel told Der Spiegel.
This means strengthening the cohesion of society and ensuring that “urban areas are not neglected, villages do not fall into disrepair and people do not become more and more radicalized,” the vice chancellor added.Half of the followers of the so-called “Islamic State” (IS) who have travelled to Syria, are Germans, often with German parents, Gabriel said….

eur says
Salafism and terrorism are the consequence not the cause. The origin of evil is Islam and the society that creates. It is a positive first step to legislate against Salafism … but insufficient.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Salafist” mosques, eh?
Well, it’s a start.
There’s another way of looking at this, perhaps. Think ‘pars pro toto’. Think: synecdoche.
Suppose they follow through on this, and shut down *all* the identified-as-Salafist mosques, and deport all the imams, etc.
And then, having spent some time listening to what is preached and how people behave, they move to the *other* mosques… and gradually realize that they are NO DIFFERENT.
And thus, bit by inexorable bit, they could close ALL the mosques. (Undercover methods, as in the Czech documentary “I’, Muslim”, where an intrepid Czech citizen pretended to be an infidel interested in converting to Islam, and – carrying a hidden mini-camera and mike, managed to get far enough into the confidence of the mohammedan mobsters, that they began to drop the ‘moderate’ mask and speak plainly about what Islam *really* involves, could be deployed to find out what the Muslims in any given mosque say among themselves, as opposed to what they feed to the naive kuffar when engaged in ‘interfaith’ nonsense-and-lies, or in deceitful ‘open days’; and then, on the basis of *that*… shut them down).
IQ al Rassooli says
Dear German (European) KUFFAR, please always remember that as Infidels/ Kuffar/ None Muslims, it is VITAL that you realize that one does not need more than two brain cells of logic to understand Muslims & Islam in a nutshell~
Since every Muslim is Sharia compliant, every Muslim cannot ever be a Law abiding LOYAL citizen in ANY none Muslim nation because these nations do not submit to Allah’s Sharia.
Hence every Muslim is the enemy of every none Muslim Infidel/ Kafir on planet Earth (80% of current of none Muslim humanity)
Every Muslim is a potential Mass Murderer the instant he/ she decides that he/she is NOT Sharia compliant enough. (Not ALL Muslims are Terrorists but ALL Terrorists against Infidels are MUSLIMS)
Every Muslim is therefore a hair trigger Time Bomb primed to go off
Only in the WARPED imagination of leftists can one find Moderate Militant Radical or Extremist Muslims because in reality Muslims are Muslims just as Nazis are Nazis and no one ever addressed Nazis as Moderate Militant Radical or Extremist
Therefore, because Sharia prohibits them, no Muslim can ever be LOYAL to the laws or the peoples who are Infidels/ Kuffar
All other explanations are superfluous and redundant
It is time for every decent Australian to unshackle yourselves from the DRACONIAN Political Correctness imposed upon you by your Criminally Negligent elites and go out in the streets and declare these TRUTHS in public and always counter attack the apologists for Muslims and Islam with the FACTS above to utterly discredit them in public
Gabriel’s ideas are excellent but not SUFFICIENT since any vestiges of Muslims in Europe will still represent an EXISTENTIAL threat to Europeans
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
http://www.alrassooli.com
Guest says
No, he is a clueless opportunist who has called opponents of the immigration wave ‘haters of foreigners’ and ‘rabble that must be imprisoned. He is not our friend.
Xero_G says
His heart is in the right place but practical implementation of these counter-jihad tactics will be ignored, if not criticized, by the naive majority of cowards who fear the stigma of Islamophobia. We simply need a sustained, public, critical analysis of Muhammad’s life and his violent teachings/revelations to effectively understand Islamic Jihad but it’s being shut down by fear of terrorist reprisals. When will Hollywood make an accurate movie of “Muhammad, Leader of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion”?
Guest says
“His heart is in the right place” – No, it really isn’t. He wants opponents of immigration to be in prison, and has clearly said so.
Rosie says
When will Hollywood make a movie? After Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, and Charlie Hebdo it would take authors, producers and actors with incredible courage.
Angemon says
Wonderful news. I just want to, *ahem*, “nitpick” a few things:
1 – “Salafist” mosques? What about the other ones? How do their teachings differ from “salafist” teachings when it comes to (I’ll just go with three things to keep it short) rights and treatment of women, rights and treatment of homosexuals and rights and treatment of religious minorities?
2 – You dissolve the communities, then what? What do you propose to ensure that their members aren’t just simply moving around and spreading their “salafi” version of islam elsewhere?
3 – Where do you propose to expel native German “salafi” preachers to?
Alien Republican says
Sigmar Gabriel is as opportunistic as Merkel. He and others have started to “demand” changes that have been on the list of their arch-enemy “AfD” for a long time. “Demands” that they were attacking as “populist” when they were in a good mood and much much worse routinely.
You remember the up-roar after HC’s “basket of deplorables” ? He easly set the mark lower by using “riff-raff” (Pack) and “assholes”.
Such a classy guy.
May he be high on the list of Jihadis.
old white guy says
close them all. declare islam to be a danger to the state and send all to an Islamic state in the middle east.
Mac-101 says
Stop ALL Muslim immigration NOW. Anyone calling for the establishment of the Caliphate or implementation of Sharia Law deport immediately or try for Treason. If no Islamic Paradise will take them pay Somalia or Yemen or some other Sharia Compliant Nation to TAKE them!
ibrahim itace muhammed says
it is chritian west in collaboration with world zionism that promoted and sustained evil wahhabism/salafism to creat frictions among muslims to weakene them.see zein n. zein:the emergence of arab nationalism for details. the evil is now backfiring.can the closure of their mosques alone save the west from the menaces of this ideology? i dont think so.the united states is coming with policy of treating all muslims as terrorists under and subject to deportation,which amount to punishing the innocent majority of muslim population in the united states.i said in one of my comments that this will signal economic depression in the united states.this is because muslim nations have to withdraw their assets of over $3 trillions from us’ economy.some ignorant commentaters in this forum who do not know how the united states’ economy operates are saying let muslim nations take such punitive act, it will make no difference to us’ economy with gdp of $17trillions.they dont even know what gdp means.gdp simply means the total operating income without deducting the charges for debt component of your total assets.such operating incomes are the function of both equity and debt component of the total investment in the us’ economy.when you take away $3 trillion out of this investments, many industries who use these assets will have to close,hence economic meltdown again.
billybob says
“The united states is coming with policy of treating all muslims as terrorists and subject to deportation.”
Relax Ibrahim – never gonna happen. No need to get hysterical about it. As much as many here would like to see that happen, The US Constitution prevents anything close to that from happening. Clearly all Muslims are not terrorists. Some are only Muslim in name only. Some are just “cultural Muslims”. Some have little knowledge of Islam, and follow only the parts of Islam from the Meccan peaceful period, before Muhammad became a cruel warlord. Many are “non-practicing” – apostates in your eyes no doubt. Some are Ahmadi Muslims, who you probably don’t consider Muslims at all. All these mentioned groups are no problem to us.
Now, devout Muslims are a concern, and any advocating for Sharia should be jailed or deported, because this is sedition. Sharia is incompatible with the US Constitution.
don vito says
itace, you look like a dot, act like a dot, speak and dress like a dot, if you believe like a dot, you are a dot. You are a dot moslem, and you are apart of the ummha. Therefore, you murder kufr, because you’re a dot, you demand kufrs submission, because you’re a dot, you rape, grope, and molest, because you’re a dot. You demand money from kufr, and demand respect from kufr, because you’re a dot. You demand sharia law to replace secular law, because you’re a dot. You oppress kufrs because of your a dot deen. What would make hufr blood and property safe from the grasping, thieving, bloody evil hands of your filthy prophet?
lagitane says
You seem to be implying that ISIS and Saudi Arabia, etc. with their stoning of women and gay hurling is an anomaly for Islam. I think the rest of us know better. As for a halt on Muslim immigration and it being punitive (boo hoo), the U.S. government must first and foremost protect its citizens. No one has an absolute right to come here as the feds must safeguard private property – ranchers on the U.S. border and my wallet in terms of stopping ALL government welfare redistribution programs. I agree that the U.S. must stop toppling regimes around the world and needs to pressure these barbaric countries to do a better job of protecting its citizens. Therefore, please have Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Yemen and Bahrain take in all of the economic and political refugees. Islam is equal to the Church of Satan with services in Arabic, not English.
LIAR!!! says
Thats only a joke!He say it only because of the elections!Thats normal in Germany,
Also the FDP(small party but most of the time a partner of the CDU/CSU) leader sounds now like the AFD.
Also the famoust DIE LINKE(Communist Party-Die Linke is the same like the SED from East germany,just another name)Politcian WAGENKNECHT sounds like the AFD.
Also the GREEN PARTY now want more Security,Police,Cameres.-all things that they was against it(also a stupid green once sayed we dont need the police).
You can throw it all in the garbage.Only Words-they will do nothing!
The same thing has cancellor Gerhard Schröder(SPD-Socialdemocrat)) done.Before the elections he sayed foreign criminals must be kicked out-and what has he done?NOTHING!Oh yes,he made it easier for Turks to get a german passport!
Also a SPD cancellor sayed lon before him:NO MORE TURKS!
CDU cancellor HELMUT KOHL also dont wanted more Turks.but more and more came.OK he did one thing.HE gave Turks a lot of money if they go back,but only very few take the money.Germany was to great…everything free,even if you dont work.
Karen says
How does one increase social cohesion while also building a multi-cultural society? These seem to be very much at odds. Creating cultural islands within a society must fracture it. By all means, lets celebrate and enjoy the art, music, dance, and food that our many immigrant groups enrich us with. But we must ultimately come together as one people with a shared common culture and set of values to have social cohesion.
Karen says
Apologies RCH, my comment was meant for the main discussion.
Susette says
USA built a multi-cultural society. Of course it has had some troubling times, but nothing compared to the lack of assimilation and ferocious demands of moslems for their host countries to assimilate to them.
Phil Copson says
Thought for the day: “A politician is simply a man who knows less than the people he represents whilst loudly declaring that he knows and cares more.”
Alien Republican says
Well said.
DFD says
UTTER BULLSHIT!
===============.
Elections are in the 2nd half 2017. That’s all there is to it.
Sigmar Gabriel is to the left of Merkel. That f..n sleezo is the one who said that to the Germans that they are “Mishpoke”, and “Pack” and similar such wonderful statements.
Der Spiegel? Degenerated into a left wing rag, they probably have a company outing on Karl-Marx’s birthday.
The CDU and the SPD had together between 80% and 90% of the votes, for most of the time the federal republic existed. Now the SPD is at 20% and sinking, since the likes of Gabriel, and other 68ters (School of Frankfurt) have taken over.
Sigmar Gabriel? Merkel makes one vomit, Sigmar Gabriel makes one vomit sh..t through the mouth!
Now you know who, and **WHAT **, he is and what he’s up to.
andra says
You got it. Gabriel is just trying to get back grounds with the German voters.
He is one of the worst hate speakers Germany has got.
lagitane says
Most people are coming at this evil from the wrong angle. The only way to stop this cancer and not violate the Libertarian non-aggression principle is to immediately curtain all government welfare payments to anyone. No person should ever be coerced to support another person. Period. These functions must be voluntary and given over to private charities. If tomorrow all of the welfare parasite imans and morally challenged riff raff are kicked off the dole, they will leave quickly! Few of these whacko imams and slimeball Muslim guys with a zillion kids are productive members of society. We cannot solve this problem until we challenge and condemn all coercive redistribution of the wealth policies. That is the essence of the problem.
lagitane says
Sorry, curtail.
Rob says
“…Few of these whacko imams and slimeball Muslim guys with a zillion kids are productive members of society. We cannot solve this problem until we challenge and condemn all coercive redistribution of the wealth policies. That is the essence of the problem…”
I’d say “NONE” – not few. There are indeed productive people with Muslim backgrounds, but that the point – it’s their “background”. No-one who believes- and follows the Quran’s edicts is productive in the Western sense of the word.
And I agree – make them work, or boot them out… and at ANY sign of anti-Western sentiment (like “British Police, Go To Hell”) – boot them out without trial – let Arabia look after them
Your idea: “If tomorrow all of the welfare parasite imams and morally-challenged riff-raff are kicked off the dole, they will leave quickly!” might not work.
The Saudis would probably start funding them, like they fund Western mosques. While the insane West funds the parasites, the Saudis keep their funds, but if the West starts to de-fund the creeps, the Saudis will cough up. This must never be allowed. If the Saudis want to fund them, let them do so, ONLY in Arabia or the other Muzz-Majority regions.
We all need to elect governments with balls… Leaders who aren’t embarrassed to promote free speech and stop creeping Sharia.
Elect strong, unafraid, unembarrassed, politically-incorrect leaders; and the “problem” will cease to be a problem.
mortimer says
With the vice chancellor Sigmar Gabriel speaking like this, it is clear that Merkel’s days are now numbered. She will be out of office soon, like Obummer the Crypto-Muslim.
Savvy Kafir says
It’s a start!
davej says
I have a strong sense that most of the moderate-appearing Muslims now quietly living in the West will, when their numbers rise to a majority, rejoice and embrace the true Islamic teachings. The Islamic brain worm has a way of emerging when conditions become favorable.
One of the greatest ironies in this whole business is that the leftist/progressives who promote their vision of multiculturalism wish to do so by importing millions of people from a culture that is about as mono-cultural as you can imagine, where other cultures are forbidden and exterminated.
There are advantages to diversity but all must share a bottom line belief in tolerance, freedom of speech and democracy. Most immigrant groups do endorse these principles, they are part of the attraction of America. Yet there are a few who do not, who are opposed to them and wish to remake America in their image. Liberals need to be educated to this fact, ASAP.