Is there any reason why it should stay open? Should any mosque that preaches violence against unbelievers stay open?
“Mosque where Berlin Christmas market murderer Anis Amri prayed to be SHUT DOWN,” by Rebecca Flood, Express, January 25, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
THE mosque where Berlin Christmas market mass murderer Anis Amri worshipped is to be shut down after it emerged he and other Islamic fundamentalists regularly prayed there.
Some 12 people died and more than 50 were injured when the Tunisian ploughed a 20 tonne truck into crowds at the festive market.
Just hours before the massacre on December 19, Amri was captured on CCTV entering the mosque in the Moabit neighbourhood in Germany’s capital.
And another clip emerged of the 24-year-old there five days before the atrocity.
German Interior Secretary of Berlin, Torsten Akmann, confirmed the committee on internal affairs of the Berlin Parliament was under “high pressure” to shut down the mosque….
The move follows a raid on the mosque last week by a special deployment commando of the Berlin police, where they arrested another Islamic fundamentalist.
The 24-year-old was detained after allegedly beating up his younger brother for listening to “Western” music.

PRCS says
RS: “Should any mosque that preaches violence against unbelievers stay open?”
As Qur’an commands such violence, Is there a mosque, anywhere on the planet, where its violent passages are not preached?
What do clerics in U.S. mosques tell Muslim children about those passages?
underbed cat says
Islamic fundamentalist pray in mosques.. some ..not your normal prayers since peace only means when islamic sharia… to replace non islamic governments and are supported in part by the men in suits and covered woman… that appear, calm and peaceful but have two messages, one for infidels and one for fundalmentalist. It can be done thru outreach to clergy, politicians, schools, business leaders or more “stronger methods” when necessary. Either method is not a good choice.
mortimer says
RS: “Should any mosque that preaches violence against unbelievers stay open?”
Answer: No mosque should remain open when most of our society realize that Islam is ABROGATED BY MODERNITY, by modern science, by modern ethics and by modern culture.
There is no room for this intolerant, misogynistic, supremacist, vicious Death Cult anywhere.
Spain only had peace when Islam was forced to leave Spain and after all mosques were closed.
Daniel Triplett says
Ferdinand and Isabella had the right idea. Zero tolerance Inquisition. It was effective and humane. Only 2500 Muslims were killed.
During the Inquisition, however, Muslims (under Islamic Law) were allowed to pretend to be Catholic. They went to Mass. Participated in Christian Rites. They even accepted the Holy Eucharist.
So, how can we possibly vet people willing to do that? We can’t. This whole “extreme vetting” idea is but a foolish fantasy.
Trained liars from birth, Muslims could likely pass any polygraph of questions we could throw at them.
Forced apostasy or death is the only answer. However, I’m not sure how we can devise a Taqiyya-proof method of apostasy.
I’m guessing longtime Imam/Caliph Apostates, along with Robert may be able to develop a method.
ECAW says
“As Qur’an commands such violence, Is there a mosque, anywhere on the planet, where its violent passages are not preached?”
Indeed.
In Britain we are fortunate to have the de facto Islamic blasphemy law called the Racial and Religious Hatred Act to restrain us, otherwise who knows what we might say:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/1/pdfs/ukpga_20060001_en.pdf
I see no exemptions in it for religious texts or speech therefore, since hatred of unbelievers drips from every page of the Koran, I cannot understand why no one has ever brought a test case against a random imam preaching a random Friday sermon. Whenever I ask about it, even with lawyers, I get no answer. Can anyone here explain?
mortimer says
The Koran’s 164 jihad verses are read in every mosque. How can Muslims fail to get the message? ALLAH WANTS WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS and he wants it NOW.
The Koran is filled with more violence than any other sacred text. Allah needs blood. Muslims hear that message on every page of the Koran.
ECAW says
Yeah, we all know that. I was hoping that someone with more knowledge of the British legal system than myself would be in a position to answer my question, but it seems not.
Spike1033 says
Yes. It’s called cowardice.
ECAW says
That was a fairly idiotic response wasn’t it? There are plenty of individuals and organisations in Britain which are far from cowardly with regard to Islam. If none of them have done what (in my ignorance) seems like an obvious thing to do, I suspect they must have their reasons. I just can’t find out what they are.
Anne Smith says
Perhaps because no-one but Muslims goes to a mosque and interested observers would not be permitted. Also, is it not right that all readings are in Arabic?
The observers would have to be fluent Arabic speakers or perhaps take recording devices under their voluminous robes.
It is a good idea and one that I would hope the security services are working on.
dumbledoresarmy says
Many escaped Copts, now living in the USA, Australia, Canada and elsewhere – there are Coptic emigres in Germany, I think – are fluent in Arabic, at least in the Egyptian variety of it. Syrian Christians are fluent in *that* variety of Arabic. Lebanese Christians, too.
*They* might be able to sneak in and ‘eavesdrop’. Or eavesdrop via listening devices ‘planted’ … I am sure it is not impossible for our assorted intelligence agencies to arrange for mosques to be ‘bugged’, if they put their minds to it, *without* the mosque attenders knowing it has been done.
Keith Gilbert says
Yes, I understand now…bug them; but, while you are at it wire them for explosives and short delay fuses.
dumbledoresarmy says
I have a very strong suspicion that one of the reasons why the Israelis are so ‘on the ball’ intelligence wise, is because it is very easy for a nice Jewish boy, if dressed in mohammedan garb with mohammedan beard, and with sufficient training in mohammedan texts, etc, to ‘pass’ as an Arab (or other kind of ‘middle eastern’, e.g. persian) mohammedan. There was an Israeli Jew who did a brilliant – and very scary – documentary about the real attitudes and intentions of the mohammedan colonies in Europe; he pulled it off by **pretending to be an Israeli-passport-holding ‘palestinian’ Arab Muslim**. And he fooled the lot of them! They all bared their souls, happily exposing all their evil intentions toward their European hosts, and their vicious Jew-hatred, and all the other horrible things that live in the soul of Islam, and he recorded it all with a perfectly straight face, smiling and nodding and pretending to agree; and *not one* of them suspected that they were talking to .. a Jew from Israel!
f c king says
Very good point about what do the imams teach school children about the violent jihad verses ?
The religion of peace should not be allowed to include this text being used in mosques in any non-muslim country, or any country, for the matter. This is violent, supremacist politics being encouraged.
Islam the religion of killers says
Bulldoze, Bulldoze, Bulldoze, ,,,,,,,,, Bulldoze the building,
if Islam thinks it can make a statement with a truck,
then decent people can make a statement with a Bulldozer ………..
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
Glenn Wilson says
Lock the doors from the outside and burn the Mosque down while the Muslims are having their Friday Prayer. Sorry for a moment I thought I was Vlad the Impaler.
Guest says
You must be a troll, trying to get this site into disrepute! Serious anti-jihadists don’t preach violence.
eduardo odraude says
If we live in a democratic nation and break the law, we make ourselves into little tyrants. Most counterjihadists are what they are because they hate tyrants. So counterjihadists must operate exclusively within the law — with the sole possible exception non-violent civil disobedience. If they don’t like the law, then they must work lawfully to change it.
Daniel Triplett says
It’s not about murdering Muslims.
It’s about fighting back in the war the Ummah long ago declared on us and have waging for 1400 years.
Sitting at a table and talking this out with the Ummah won’t happen and will solve nothing. This conflict will only be reconciled with violence on a Biblical scale.
This is a World War. And since the rules of war are determined by the strategies and tactics our enemy elects to use against us, this war is therefore a zero-sum conflict with only one winner.
It’s us or them. This one’s for all the marbles.
Surely you see this.
underbed cat says
We can’t be violent but we can be smart, I think it is already illegal to call for violence or the replacement of the constitution….according to the Consttiution. So a immediate ban on building future centers with money from foreign or domestic funds could go into effect..some definitions would have to be changed not to be racist, it is not a race, but to know the details about darwah and influence.
Daniel Triplett says
WE can’t be violent?
Of course we can. I personally spent 6 years on the other side of the planet waging war against the Ummah on behalf of the United States of America, alongside with hundreds of thousands of my brothers and sisters in arms, both American and British.
We exercised a shitload of violence there my friend. We kicked a whole lot of ass, killing hundreds of thousands of Ummah. They asked for it, and we handed their asses to them. And we’ll continue killing them until we break their Will to Fight. That’s what war is all about. Six days ago, by the Grace of God, America was blessed with a new CINC who understands this concept well.
We didn’t start this war, but we’re going to finish it by God.
dumbledoresarmy says
Better idea is to *raid* the jihad-associated mosque during Friday prayers, with overwhelming forces. Arrest everyone then *strip-search* … looking for weapons, drugs, etc … and *everyone* in the place gets a good going-over by sniffer dogs that can detect explosives and illegal drugs. And interrogate the lot of them.. individually, and keeping them separated from each other so they can’t confabulate beforehand or find out, before being questioned, what questions you’re going to ask. Cross check everyone in the ‘bag’ for identity, immigration and welfare fraud and run ALL their fingerprints and dna samples past the ‘unsolved crimes’ database.
The mosque itself and all associated premises – including the imam’s house – get searched by sniffer dogs and army sappers, from top to bottom.
*Then*, once you’ve found the tunnel entrances, sub-basements, illegal-drugs-and-weapons-and-explosives manufacturing ‘kitchen/s’, the poisons lab, the stash of counterfeit or real cash, the massive arsenal, etc and so forth… the safes with faked identity documents… the fingerprints and dna of any number of perps who feature on the ‘unsolved cases’ fingerprint-and-dna data base…. THEN you have all the evidence you need, and you can shut the place down and raze it to the ground.
I really do wonder just how many mosques would remain standing, within infidel lands, if ALL of them in a given city or region were given this sort of ‘enhanced surprise inspection’.
Daniel Triplett says
Great plan. Moreover…
connect just the one raid to the ENTIRE network of mosques/madrasas, justifying a MASS conspiracy for all of Islam.
This way we arrest, prosecute, apostatize, or execute ALL of them associated with ANY mosque, which we then raze to the ground.
Keith Gilbert says
Lot of work involved when you can just start killing the low bread MUD scum islamics…all of them, the clit cut burka babes and remember, ‘mites make lice’ so don’t keep any sympathy nuggets! NOW, that would be a good beginning.
Daniel Triplett says
I’m liking you more and more with each post.
You speak like a grandson of Gen George S. Patton. He’d be proud of you.
brane pilot says
Closing a rat-hole mosque in a store front in Berlin is a feeble, futile gesture.
Cut off all Saudi funding for Salafist preachers and Mosques in the EU, and you have taken that first baby step to reclaiming your civilization for your children.
robm says
right on bro
eduardo odraude says
Cut off all Saudi funding? That doesn’t go far enough. Isolate the Saudis internationally. Tell them they must permit Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists to openly proselytize and to build houses of worship. And let atheists teach publicly. Stop killing apostates from Islam. Permit dissidents to speak without being killed.
And when the Saudis say no, start sending government agents to kill or “disappear” the Saudi princes known to be most actively supportive of such totalitarian policies.
Daniel Triplett says
Great idea.
Daniel Triplett says
But we’ll need to nuke one or two of their medium sized cities to get their attention and compliance.
They won’t do what you propose without shock and awe force.
Same with any other OIC sovereignty. However, I estimate glassing just 15 – 20 Dar al-Islam targets, broadcast Worldwide in 4K HD video on all social media, would scare the rest of them to surrender Islam without having to harm them.
dumbledoresarmy says
Not just Saudi funding. Because it isn’t just ‘Salafists’. It’s the whole damn thing: Islam, straight up. And Shiite as well as Sunni. Shiite Islam is *just* as deadly to infidels.
*Any* funding from *any* Mohammedan country – e.g. Qatar, the Emirates, Turkey, Indonesia, Islamic Iran, you-name-it, must be denied to any mosque-builders anywhere in the Lands of the Infidels. Once a ban was put in place, of course, they would try to get around it… so authorities would have to be awake up, in order to detect and stymy the attempted ‘work-arounds’.
Daniel Triplett says
Watching their neighboring cities get vaped on YouTube will help to assuage any dissenters.
The Japanese were ruthless, tough-as-nails, “never surrender” types of people.
But we changed their minds in three days, with just two atomic strikes.
The strategy worked for our grandfathers, and will work for us too.
robm says
Raze the mosque…..and erect a Large Cross on the site….
eduardo odraude says
Christianity is never to be imposed by force. Christianity worthy of the name leaves war and security to secular government, and acts as critic of the government when the government is wrong. “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s…” “My kingdom is not of this world.”
Salome says
No, just sell it to a pork butcher to set up shop in.
andra says
I have not heard of that yet in German media.The more I am deeply surprised that the shut down is going to happen. The mosque where Atta and his fellow terrorists prayed is still open today and the designation of many pilgrimages.
dumbledoresarmy says
Well, write to Alternative fur Deutschland and *demand* that they publicly call for mosques such as this to be shut down.. permanently.
That they demand that the mosque where *Atta* ‘prayed’ – and plotted – and got all fired up for jihad – be shut down, too.
And then the rest.
One by one by one.
andra says
To be honest, I don´t trust the AfD. I am engaged for this party and I will vote for them. But I am afraid that Germany will have to learn that the AfD – as all other parties – will let the Germans down.
Daniel Triplett says
ALL mosques are meeting houses for the Conspiracy. 80% admit to it. The other 20% are just lying.
We’re all fools to allow this to continue right in our own neighborhoods, let alone anywhere else on Earth. It’s really not the fault of the Ummah. Or better to say, we SHARE the fault.
“All that’s required for evil to flourish is for good men to stand by idly and do nothing.”
We are the good men, and we’re doing nothing. As we watch the genocide of Christians and Jews in the Middle East and do nothing, NONE of us is allowed to ever again criticize our grandparents about their complacency toward the Holocaust. We’re no better, and in fact are worse. The Internet puts it right in front of our faces in full HD video 24/7. We haven’t the excuse of “ignorance” that our grandparents had.
B U T…with our new leader, the venerable President Donald Trump, the good in all of us, men and women, is awakening, and we’re finally taking the fight to the evil in the World.
davej says
If the Islamist teachings were purely rhetoric and the jihad really was a personal struggle for spirituality and clean living we might put up with it. But since it has been amply proven that this is dead serious, militant and violent Supremacism there is no onus on us to tolerate it at all.
I vote for the bulldozers.
Daniel Triplett says
Required equipment will be bulldozers and nukes, IMHO.
Nukes first, forcing them to apostatize, so they don’t kill our bulldozer drivers. Better yet, we make the Apostates bulldoze the mosques/madrasas down themselves. Like rubbing a puppy’s nose in his own pile of shit.
Milad Meah says
Should any mosque that preaches violence against unbelievers stay open?
SHOULD A MUSLIM THAT SAYS AL-FATIHAH IN CHURCHES OR ANYWHERE AT CHRISTIANS BE ALLOWED TO DO SO.
Angemon says
What became of those “other Islamic fundamentalists”?
Voytek Gagalka says
Wow! So, after all, his action must have something to do with Islam, did it not?
nicu says
There are elections this year – that’s why they say it : they never would harm any Muslim feeling !
John A. Marre says
They should all be shut down.
RationalVoice says
The video says it all. Those failed politicians have led us to this point .Lets hope Trump can do a lot better.
No further Islamic immigration at all into non-Muslim countries should be permitted but that is only the starting point to cleanse our societies of this blatant impudent evil whose aim is to destabilise our societies and create hell on Earth like Daesch have in Syria and Iraq. The elections this year in Europe must be used to get the right people in power. This is a very critical time for freedom and democracy
We have the power but do we have the will ?
Walter Sieruk says
First, that December jihad truck attacks the city of Berlin is tragically may not ,at all, the last Islamic terror attack . Sadly because the German people were so very kind yet very so extremely foolish as to allow all those Muslim male who said that they were afraid of ISIS to find safe haven n Germany . The results of the Merkel policy of folly was that vicious and murderous jihad attack in Berlin last December.
Therefore ,Merkel is as guilty as sin regarding taking part of the blame for that Islamic terror truck attack in Berlin last month. For her PC politics and polices led to that murderous jihad murder disaster. Furthermore, is should be made clear that the “holy book” of Islam, the Quran, [the Koran] gives instruction in the ways of the violent and deadly jihad. To give only one out of many examples of this from the Koran is Sura 47:4. Which teaches “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…” Let’s face it, using a large truck as a weapon, as the Muslim /jihadist did, can sure make a greater “slaughter among them” than a sword can.
Furthermore,there’s a strange but common phenomena in America’s and Europe’s modern PC culture that when it comes to Islamic terrorism there are many people who are afraid to call it what it is. That’s odd because no one is afraid to call a person who engages in violence for anarchy and “anarchist terrorist”. Nor are people afraid to call a Marxist who engages in violence for the ideology of communism a “Communist terrorist.” Likewise, a person who commits violence for Environmentalism an “Environmentalist terrorists. “Nevertheless, when it comes to a Muslim terrorist who engages in deadly violence because of the theology and ideology of Islam, many people fear to call that person an “Islamic terrorists.” Strange but true.
Keith Gilbert says
Even if they shut down ‘all’ of the mosques the vile islamic head bangers will just take it to the streets…they are such good targets with their asses in the air!
abad says
Mosques (terrorist training centers) have no place in the western world, they should be confined to the Middle East.
somehistory says
If a general came to the country with his soldiers, and he and they attempted to build a fort with gun turrets and buildings to house more soldiers, and stockpiles of guns and ammunition, what would the government do?
A devoted moslum said that the mosques are their barracks and the individual moslims are their soldiers. What is the difference?
Do they not get grants to build their *centers* that supposedly *educate* and inform about the *culture* of islam? Who attends those centers? Surely not the general public, members of which could report on what was going on inside the walls.
mortimer says
The TRUCK OF PEACE is comin’ your way.
Who do you think they’ll ‘bump into’ today?
dumbledoresarmy says
Useful book is by an ex-Muslim, one Sam Solomon – “The Mosque Exposed”. (Originally published under a nom-de-plume as “The Mosque and Its Role in Society”; I have read it. Very informative, very thorough, lots and lots and lots of references from Muslim texts and Muslim history).
Get it, read it, share it around.
Mosques are military bases/ forts/ arsenals/ weapons-and-explosives-manufacturing centres/ jihad recruitment-and-incitement centres, by any other name.
Take out the mosques and you deal the Ummah a *real* whammy.
If 1/ Muslim immigration into *all* currently majority-non-Muslim countries were STOPPED, tomorrow, and the borders resolutely policed and patrolled and fortified and 2/ ALL mosques within non-Islamic countries were raided – and razed – and no more mosques permitted to be built, then the Ummah’s grand World Domination project would be dealt a substantial setback, right there.
ploome says
close the mosque, another will open
Daniel Triplett says
Not if we force the prohibition.