Separating ourselves from the hysteria over Trump’s Executive Order on immigration, this is the crucial paragraph if you want to understand what Trump’s Administration is doing (full text of the statement here). At the end of this article I’ll explain it line by line.
In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.
As we find ourselves at the end of the first week of the Trump era, we see this weekend’s screaming press outrage over Trump’s Executive Order and the complete shock that he’s enacting one of the core planks of his campaign. For some reason people have been conditioned to believe that promises made by politicians during election campaigns will all be broken.
There’s only one thing that’s happened this weekend which anyone should be mildly concerned about; it has to do with reports of Green Card holders having issues at airports. It’s reasonably clear from the text of the order that this shouldn’t be happening; either the reports are false or rogue elements in the Immigration Service are deliberately being overzealous to cause public issues. David French at National Review has a very good article on the hysterical overreaction:
However, there are reports that the ban is being applied even to green-card holders. This is madness. The plain language of the order doesn’t apply to legal permanent residents of the U.S., and green-card holders have been through round after round of vetting and security checks. The administration should intervene, immediately, to stop misapplication. If, however, the Trump administration continues to apply the order to legal permanent residents, it should indeed be condemned.
The press have gone into a meltdown over the immediate clamping down on movements of people from seven specific countries. Interestingly, the only country mentioned by name in the order is Syria. Seth Frantzman also noticed this and dug a millimetre deeper than the entire rest of the press:
Go back and read it again. Do a “ctrl-f” to find “Iraq”. Where is “Iraq” in the order. It’s not there. Only Syria is there. So where are the seven nations? Where is the “Muslim ban”? It turns out this was a form of fake news, or alternative facts. Trump didn’t select seven “Muslim-majority” countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries.
The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last few years as countries of concern. In February 2016, “the Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” [read the rest]
Central to what the press and the usual grievance mongers (CAIR, ACLU, ADL and the usual alphabet soup of far left groups) are doing is to draw a false analogy between refugees from the Middle East today and Jews who tried to flee the genocide of the Nazis. Signing the order on International Holocaust Memorial day (and making a mistake by not specifically mentioning Jews) ensured that the press would jump on this bandwagon. This is done with carefully constructed (sometimes faked) photographs, especially of children. Dead child on a beach and dazed child in a hospital: I don’t even need to include photos, these are etched into your heads.
Back when I wrote about this in September 2015, I pointed out the enormity of this false equivalence.
So I was just wondering if I could ask something of all those people quick to claim that Syrian refugees are the new 1930’s Jews.
UNHCR persons of concern refugee numberFor those Jews who managed to escape Nazi Germany, where were the refugee camps, like the ones in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan today hosting 4,088,099 registered refugees (6th Sept). Because I’ve never heard anyone mention them. I’m sure a lot of Jews must have been saved in those camps.
As far as I know, in 1939 there were precisely zero Jewish countries and zero safe and secure refugee camps. I suspect if there had been a Jewish country or even a refugee camp it would have taken in some refugees. Worse: the major nations of the world, especially Britain, blocked Jews from reaching safety and sent them back to be murdered by Hitler.
Interestingly, the UNHCR “Persons of concern” website where I got my numbers from doesn’t seem to be working right now, so I can’t check for new numbers. The main number still stands: there were no refugee camps for Jews in 1939 and there are today many millions of Muslim refugees in (relatively) safe camps across the Middle East.
What has changed since I wrote that post is the seething societal problems currently ripping apart Europe. Every European nation that has accepted refugees is going through huge internal upheavals. I scarcely need to enumerate the problems, ranging from mass groping all the way up to huge mass casualty terror attacks in Nice, Berlin, Paris and elsewhere. Additionally, also since I wrote about the false equivalence, the UK voted to leave Europe and controlling immigration was one of the big factors in that.
Again, David French from National Review:
But don’t tell CNN’s chief national security correspondent, who last night tweeted this:
False. False. False. Religious considerations are by law part of refugee policy. And it is entirely reasonable to give preference (though not exclusivity) to members of minority religions. Finally, you can read the entire executive order from start to finish, reread it, then read it again, and you will not find a Muslim ban. It’s not there. Nowhere. At its most draconian, it temporarily halts entry from jihadist regions. In other words, Trump’s executive order is a dramatic climb-down from his worst campaign rhetoric.
So I’ll come back to the very first paragraph I showed you. That is the one that indicates what this new administration is actually thinking. And I believe it indicates that they know exactly what they’re doing. This isn’t something they put together in a week; this is evidence of their entire thinking on Islam and the defence of the west.
They’re going to treat Islam as a hostile political ideology. That is what has been needed for decades. It is the reversal of the “Islam is a religion of peace” doctrine set in place by Bush on September 17, 2001.
In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles.
That statement should, quite rightly, strike terror into the hearts of anyone looking to promote Islamic law above the United States’ existing constitution. That is made even more explicit with the next sentence:
The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law.
This would apply to a communist overthrow of the United States (I guess), but the only real threat on the global stage today is the ideology of Islamic supremacy.
In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.
If you read that paragraph and immediately think #MuslimBan, then you’re bringing your own impressions of Islam. The text doesn’t mention Islam, but we all know that the leading ideology that sanctions bigotry, hatred, violence against women, and oppression is not Buddhism.
This section, again without mentioning Islam or Muslims, arrives at the heart of the problem. Islamic values always lead to intolerance. Islam’s guiding texts are all fundamentally devoted to separating the world between believers and non-believers. All of our liberal freedoms and our equality stem from a Judeo-Christian belief that all men are created in the image of God and are equal before equitable laws. That is not at the heart of Islam.
That same Islamic ideology led 56 member states of the UN to ignore the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and replace it with the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, which opens with:
Reaffirming the civilizing and historical role of the Islamic Ummah which God made the best nation that has given mankind a universal and well-balanced civilization in which harmony is established between this life and the hereafter and knowledge is combined with faith; and the role that this Ummah should play to guide a humanity confused by competing trends and ideologies and to provide solutions to the chronic problems of this materialistic civilization.
The idea that God made Islam the best nation is not a statement of equality. It is a supremacist statement. The Constitution of the United States doesn’t and obviously shouldn’t begin with “God made White America the Best Nation”. Every Islamic nation considers Islam to be superior to any other ideology.
That is what we are dealing with: 56 nation states and millions of indoctrinated followers who are religiously compelled (with a depth of fervour the godless left can no longer comprehend) bound to profess the supremacy of their civilisation, whilst anyone with open eyes knows the United States Constitution is one of the greatest acts of foundational liberal freedom in history.
America is an astonishing social experiment. If it continues to open its borders, it will be overrun like Europe by those who desire its destruction, and could quite literally sink back into darkness. Whilst being so harshly condemned by those whose freedoms they are safeguarding so determinedly, Trump’s team, in its first week, has put out a document the importance of which might not be fully understood for generations.


Guest says
Sad but true. Those who choose to be ignorant remain ignorant.
J D S says
ISLAM’S WHOLE IDEA OF EXISTANCE IN WORLD DOMINATION PERIOD!
NOW BRING ON ALL THOSE NAYSAYERS AND PROVE ME WRONG.
IF ONE CAN UNDERSTAND THE WAY THE KORAN WAS PUT TDOGETHER ONE CAN UNDERSTAND ISLAM…MUHAMMAD HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH WHAT WAS INPUT….BUT A WHOLE LOT OF “OTHERS???” DID AND THERE YOU HAVE IT……A GREAT BOOK FROM A PERSON WHO WAS ILLETERATE AS WELL AS DEMENTED…COME ON PROVE ME WRONG… NOWHERE HAVE I SAID I WAS RIGHTBUT JUST PROVE ME WRONG.
Petrouchka Rising says
Well said, Robert!
gravenimage says
Petrouchka, the above excellent article is by contributor Brian Thomas.
Brian of London says
Thanks, yes, this wasn’t Robert, but he could have written this too!
gravenimage says
🙂
dumbledoresarmy says
Brian – thanks. I have read other articles by you, over at New English Review, and also at that excellent blog, “Israellycool”.
Well done.
This piece is one of your best.
Mark Swan says
The entire order seems well thought out, it, appears to remain flexible enough for
adjustment, and the Sec. 10. Transparency and Data Collection portion should be
a means of getting the facts out, in the open, to the public.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. And it is up to all of us jihadwatchers – especially Americans, but not only Americans – to read and re-read Brian’s article, and the clauses of that Executive Order that Brian has quoted, and discussed, and expounded upon, and make sure that we *understand* them fully, so that we are equipped to assist others to understand, also.
somehistory says
It is true. If they see it as banning moslims, it’s because deep down they know islam is the source of the moslims rage, murder, rape, etc. They just don’t want to admit to being wrong and shouting a wrong and stupid bunch of nonsense for all this time.
Phil Copson says
It’s interesting that the very people who deny that Muslims are associated with repression, violence, rape, murder, and terrorism are the ones who immediately connect an order banning those most likely to commit such acts with, er….Muslims.
It’s very much like all the Lefties who were so vociferous in their opposition to the harmless “PG Tips” tea adverts in the UK; they said that the “chimps tea-party” was racist against black people.
Most people of course, don’t immediately think of chimpanzees when they talk to their black friends, neighbours or family members, but evidently socially-sensitive Left-wingers do – funny, that…….
( “I say “rapist” – you think “Muslim” – Let’s Call The Whole Thing Off….. as Gershwin didn’t write.)
j_not_a says
One of the best things about all this is watching these looney tunes leftlib moonbats’ heads explode over Trumps’ crackdown on dangerous ideologies (we know which “one”
and so do they) It’s so much fun to see them go ballistic with impotent rage!
Terry says
What should. Amongst other points
The Obama presidency brought many of these points out and into law
But just ignored the law
Next
Anyone. Native born. Citizen. Green card holder
Visitor. Does not like it here. And the constitution
Can leave
Annie Oakley says
Excellent clarity & logic!
myworld2 says
They aren’t Christians – why are they leaving their own land ??? can’t tell me it’s for any other reason than to “set up shop” and do their dirty work ….irregardless – They are part of the New World Order . SEND THEM HOME ….
davej says
Quite astute of Trump and his policy advisers to never mention Muslims yet make their point crystal clear. The recognition that Islam does in fact represent a fundamental, existential threat to American freedom and democracy (if not today, certainly tomorrow) is an historic turning point.
Particularly coming after 16 years of obfuscation, appeasement and denial.
Also progressive was his emphasis on aiding Assad’s victims in place, from where, in time, they may be able to return to their homes or rebuild them. This carries the unspoken implication that the greatest responsibility for helping these people lies with the other Muslim nations in the area. But who are unfortunately extremely stingy and notably unwilling to help. In fact I’m beginning to suspect them of “Islamophobia”.
Anne Smith says
The other Muslim countries (with the notable exception of plucky Jordan) do not want them and this is partly driven by the desire to spread Islam throughout Europe.
Not one rich Arab country has given refuge to the Syrian refugees but Saudi has generously (!) offered to fund mosques in Europe for them, thus facilitating the practice and spread of Islam.
Adrian says
Wonderful article!! Thank you, Brian!.. should be required reading in every newspaper board room!
Brian of London says
Happy to make you happy.
PRCS says
An apples to apples note:
Shouldn’t the statement “The idea that God made Islam the best nation is not a statement of equality. It is a supremacist statement. The Constitution of the United States doesn’t and obviously shouldn’t begin with “God made White America the Best Nation” be
Judaeo Christian?
Brian of London says
Arguably so, but there is a further level of obfuscation in Islam as I’m sure you know: whilst they would claim that all *muslims* are equal, the reality is that male Arab Muslims come out way ahead of the rest so I wanted to capture that element of racist supremacy.
Hypocrisy says
So the lefties are upset because this policy will affect thousands of innocent, decent Muslims. The same lefties want gun ownership banned, despite that policy affecting thousands of innocent, decent gun owners. Please explain.
Richie says
Leftists are desperate for things to go back the way they were
More Ham Ed says
Watch a White House Press Secretary who’s actually NOT A josh errrrrnst weasel handle a LEFTIST in journalist’s clothing:
Kay says
Good man. Well spoken.
Jaime Lanndan says
Totally agree, it is ‘right thinking people’ like this that has kept me going, and given me hope, we cannot lose you!
Anne Smith says
Mr Trump is amazing, hope he can keep going. Interview on BBC Radio 4 this morning with one of his colleagues who stated the case for the ban very well indeed. I am ashamed of UK for its pusillanimity and cowardice in protecting its own citizens.
gravenimage says
Anne, I hope patriotic Britons are able to carry through with Brexit and finally be able to start defending yourselves.
dumbledoresarmy says
Anne: if you approve of something Trump is doing – and I certainly approve of this particular Executive Order, especially as lucidly ‘unpacked’ by Brian here, and also in another article by Jewish American feminist Phyllis Chesler, who zeroed in on the clauses to do with the need to exclude those who practise ‘honor’ killing and who engage in ‘gender-based violence’, in a brilliant little article for Israel National News, entitled “Trump’s Executive Order is Quite in Order”, and stating plainly, “‘As a feminist, scholar, and activist I think this Order is long overdue”.”..
then.. **write to the President yourself** – perhaps do it on the back of a lovely English postcard – and tell him so. State that you are pleased to see the United States stepping up to the plate and giving a lead to the rest of the supposedly-free Infidel world.
Also, write to the American Embassy in London, expressing your admiration for the new President, and your disgust with those of your fellow Britons who are currently trying to pressure the government, and the Queen, into refusing to receive him when he visits.
And *then* write to your own PM, Theresa May, referring to this Executive Order, and what it is trying to achieve, expressing admiration for it, and *demanding* that the British Government **follow Trump’s lead** as regards the taking of *real* steps to prevent persons inimical to Britain, from entering the country. Add, for good measure, that you hope to see the American President welcomed with all due courtesy, exactly like any other significant Head of State: formally and officially received by the Queen – with whom he, the son of a Scotswoman, shares a deep love of Scotland; I am sure they would find things to talk about, on that subject – and invited to address Parliament.
Felix Quigley says
I support total ban against Islam
Since Robert referred to it above…it can be visualised…capitalism breaks up and descends into VIOLENCE only a socialist REVOLUTION is mechanism to bring PEACE
Think Germany following Wall St Crash
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wrote:
capitalism breaks up and descends into VIOLENCE only a socialist REVOLUTION is mechanism to bring PEACE
………………………
Right–as though the Gulag and the Killing Fields were “peaceful”–*Ugh*.
Michael Dowd says
Trumps order is being undermined by Democrat members of Homeland Security by means of malicious obedience (intentionally misreading the law). The Catholic Bishops are also in league with the Democrats and do not have the our country’s interests at heart. Trump should stick to his guns on Muslim Immigration as it is a seditious and subversive political philosophy disguised as a religion.
Brian of London says
I don’t think anybody will move Trump away from this course of action.
Myron J. Poltroonian says
I certainly hope not.
gravenimage says
I think you are right, Brian.
dumbledoresarmy says
If you are concerned: **write to your President (I assume you are an American) and tell him so!**
Encourage him to stand firm.
Every person who voted for him needs to stand behind him, on this.
The more positive feedback he gets, the more he will be emboldened to act with confidence.
Les says
Trump over Treason!
The traitors in American are from the Christian hating Demoncrats who are funded by the communist Soros.
In the words of Reverend Wright, may God damn Hussein and the Democrat Party.
Let’s give thanks to God and may God Bless President Trump and may God Bless America!
Marty says
The elected US government is entitled legally & morally to ban anyone from
entering that it wishes. End of.
What’s far more significant, is the rage coming from mohammedan supporting
media.
Notably the BBC, & Independent online, whose front page today is 70%+dealing
with this mild piece of national security.
The scale & volume of protest illustrates the power of islam in the West, & is very
disturbing.
Being a politician, Trump is far from perfect.
To be frank, he’s a hypocrite.
Why ?
Because he has not included Saudi Arabia, the source of 60% of the world’s
mohammedan terrorism.
President Trump has business interests there.
Incidentally, the power of islam is well illustrated by the fact that there have been
no protests about the numerous mohammedan countries that have banned
Israeli citizens for years.
Laura says
Did you not read the article in its’ entirety? Trump mentions ONLY Syria in his EO. Please pay attention!
gravenimage says
Trump’s people have already said the list may well be expanded.
dumbledoresarmy says
I think Brian’s article shows how very easily Saudi Arabia, and persons from Saudi Arabia, might come in under the terms of this Order.
It has been very, very, very carefully worded.
Angemon says
Great article.
Ramos Washington says
It is simply not true that Jews were refused refuge in the Nazi era. 72% of German Jewry escaped before it became impossible, including 83% of all the young people. Unfortunately most chose safe destinations such as France, Belgium and the Netherlands rather than England or the US. German Jews had no problem coming to America under the 1920’s German quota, which favored Western European nations and was not filled until 1939. They didn’t want to go so far to a country which–thanks to the New Deal–still had no jobs.
ermom says
Thanks for your expert analysis, Robert.
ermom says
Should have thanked BRIAN for writing this analysis and ROBERT for posting it.
steven saunders says
This is the way forward.
Islam needs to be described as a political ideology that is antithetical to the US Constitution.
Brian of London says
Exactly what I believe Trump is trying to do.
Christina D says
Seems that a Muslim Brotherhood affiliated group, EADHR, led at least one of the “sudden” “grassroots” protests at Dallas airport. They are professional, paid agitators! http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/surprise-muslim-brotherhood-behind-anti-trump-airport-protests-video/#disqus_thread
overman says
“Starbucks to hire 10,000 refugees worldwide after Trump ban –
Starbucks plans to hire 10,000 refugees worldwide over the next five years in response to President Donald Trump’s travel ban, the head of the US coffee-chain company said Sunday.
“I write to you today with deep concern, a heavy heart and a resolute promise,” Starbucks chairman and chief executive Howard Schultz said in a letter to employees posted on the company’s website.
“We are living in an unprecedented time, one in which we are witness to the conscience of our country, and the promise of the American Dream, being called into question.”
gravenimage says
Oh, great–now I’ll have to worry about what Muslim Baristas are putting in my Mocha Frappuccino…
“UK: Shop-owners sold chocolate cake sprinkled with human faeces”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-shop-owners-sold-chocolate-cake-sprinkled-with-human-faeces
Catherine says
That’s it. I’m done with Starbucks, and I will let them know why.
The paragraph quoted at the beginning of the article is an eloquent expression of why the United States, whose Constitution names freedom of religion as a right, cannot tolerate those whose religion requires intolerance of everyone else.
More than anything else President Trump has done so far, this rather innocuous temporary travel ban, which he has full authority to do, and which is similar to those enacted without a murmur during the Obama, Bush, and Carter administrations, has produced a hysterical overreaction and outpouring of hatred toward him by all kinds of detractors. It’s like the light is shining on a truth they are desperate not to see.
President Trump, his family, his associates, and our country need our prayers.
Myron J. Poltroonian says
A little perspective, if Obama’s immigration policies had been in force when my grandparents (from the first nation to become a Christian one in 301 AD) on my father’s side came legally to the United States to escape the tender mercies of the Ottoman Empire, none of their children (if they’d lived long enough to have any) would have been born as Americans and their grand children would not be who we are.
gravenimage says
Myron, you are mistaken–haven’t you read this part of the story?
“Trump says Syrian Christian refugees will be given priority”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/trump-says-syrian-christian-refugees-will-be-given-priority
He has vowed to make exception from the bans for those who are directly threatened–and that includes Christians and other religious minorities.
Like you, Robert Spencer’s grandparents fled to the United States from the Ottoman Empire.
Kiel says
Here it is, black on white, the executive paper banning a subversive ideology to enter the United States of America. The least you could expect from the “gentlemen of the press” is reading the text. Obviously, it’s too much to expect.
Myron J. Poltroonian says
I would add this insult to the mainstream media regarding their willful misreporting: There are, “None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.” (It’s an insult to them, because it comes from the bible.)
Kiel says
Agree!
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam all,
Indeed I will say that Mr Trump has been quite clever about all this polava. I have seen on the television today that a senior Iraqi official said that “no Iraqi has committed any terror in Amrica” but they are listed yet the Saudi, Egypt or UAE were not on that damned list. This is an act of a criminal (his words not mine).
In other words a war of words has broken out between Middle East countries in a manner that has never happened before. i.e.
Openly they are accusing each other of sponsoring terrorism.
Asked if it means that US soldiers will be booted out of Iraq in the fight against IS… he could not confirm (but did utter something in Arabic under his lips, I could faintly make MFker or something like that., Being brought up very decently I do not understand what this means).
They are beginning to fight each other to remain off the list … who would have believed in this type of underhand kaffir success.
Also as a matter of decent courtesy, can you please desist from asking my beloved Pakistan to put on that list. Your universities have a great many Pakistani students, taxi drivers , butchers, umma retailers. These are important businesses to America. Also a number of peoples who would have gone to Pakistan are now cancelling, affecting airline profits.
I know that to save face Mr Trump can not lift the ban for 90 days , but please can you all help by asking for this ban to melt away after 90 days … and Pakistan’s good name is not to be on the radar so to speak.
More Later …
Rezali
gravenimage says
Foul Muslim apologist Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam all,
Indeed I will say that Mr Trump has been quite clever about all this polava. I have seen on the television today that a senior Iraqi official said that “no Iraqi has committed any terror in Amrica (sic)” but they are listed yet the Saudi, Egypt or UAE were not on that damned list. This is an act of a criminal (his words not mine).
………………………………….
Of course Rezali Mehil considers it criminal for Americans to attempt to protect themselves from her murderous coreligionsts. Why should this surprise?
Note that she–and the Iraqi official–ignore the 4,486 Americans killed in Iraq.
As for other Muslim countries, they should indeed be added to the list–and probably will be:
“Priebus says more countries could be added to the immigration ban”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/priebus-says-more-countries-could-be-added-to-the-immigration-ban
More:
In other words a war of words has broken out between Middle East countries in a manner that has never happened before. i.e.
Openly they are accusing each other of sponsoring terrorism.
………………………………….
And why are we supposed to care about this? All Muslim countries support Jihad terror.
More:
Asked if it means that US soldiers will be booted out of Iraq in the fight against IS… he could not confirm (but did utter something in Arabic under his lips, I could faintly make MFker or something like that., Being brought up very decently I do not understand what this means).
………………………………….
Rezali Mehil claims she was brought up decently? How *utterly grotesque*. This is someone who has openly said that the rape of little children is “ordained by Allah SWT”–what is decent about this? She also wants to see our conquest by Islam and the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law throughout the West.
More:
They are beginning to fight each other to remain off the list … who would have believed in this type of underhand kaffir success.
………………………………….
Again, who cares what these Mohammedans do? We just want to be safe from homicidal Muslim invaders.
More:
Also as a matter of decent courtesy, can you please desist from asking my beloved Pakistan to put on that list. Your universities have a great many Pakistani students, taxi drivers , butchers, umma retailers. These are important businesses to America. Also a number of peoples who would have gone to Pakistan are now cancelling, affecting airline profits.
………………………………….
And don’t forget Pakistanis slaughtering people at a Christmas party in San Bernardino and attempting to blow up Times Square. Really, we can’t live without this contribution to the US, can we? sarc/off
And if Rezali Mehil considers Pakistan so “beloved”, why are she and her relations currently infesting England? Might it have something to do with Pakistan oppressing and murdering Shia, or is it just that she wants to conquer the civilized Infidels there?
More:
I know that to save face Mr Trump can not lift the ban for 90 days , but please can you all help by asking for this ban to melt away after 90 days … and Pakistan’s good name is not to be on the radar so to speak.
………………………………….
Why would Rezali Mehil think this ban is going away–or perhaps she just desperately hopes that it will?
And Pakistan has no “good name”, but is a watchword for Muslim hell hole everywhere.
dumbledoresarmy says
The wording of the order is such that, as and when it is deemed convenient, Pakistan and Muslims from Pakistan will qualify for exclusion. Ditto Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Afghanistan, you-name-it, the whole boiling of the world’s mohammedan countries.
dumbledoresarmy says
I mean, ‘qualify for exclusion from the USA”, that is, persons from those countries will not be allowed in.
billybob says
Rezali – though I have known several Pakistanis who were good people, you needn’t fear, Pakistan doesn’t have a good name to lose. From all reports, it is 99% Islamic, and has a tremendous number of fundamentalists who form into crowds so filled with rage they foam at the mouth at the slightest hint somebody may have slandered their dreadful prophet. Your country cannot even enact laws to protect women and girls from honour killing because you shura council say that is against Islam and would destroy family values. What kind of family holds values that a daughter who transgresses can be killed is never explained, but you must have families spawned by the Devil over there.
Cecilia Ellis says
Billybob wrote: “Pakistan doesn’t have a good name to lose.”
Perfectly stated, Billybob!
gravenimage says
Spot on, billybob.
Felix Quigley says
The Trump team needs to stand strong and deepen their struggle.
In October 1986 Soviet General Secretary
Mikhail Gorbachev and U.S. President
Ronald Reagan met in Iceland
At stake was the possibility of doing away completely with nuclear weapons in the world. It is true that the Reagan idea of controlling space outside of the earth was also really a threat to Russia. But the idea of mutually assured destruction was no longer holding water, and as time would prove and the growth of the Pakistan nuclear arsenal (a Jihadi can be a sleeper! despite the Pakistani military being ultra careful, or can become one “overnight”) was no longer becoming viable. Time passes things change.
They fell out at Reykjavik. Stalinism was to collapse inside a few years(as had been predicted by Trotsky anyway) and a reminder to the weak of mind stalinism was never communism. The EU and NATO (Globalism?) went to town on isolating Russia by expanding NATO into every god-forsaken corner surrounding Russia and China, the Yugoslav war was part of this. A new era.
The point of this is that my reading of this is that the “great friend” of Reagan Margaret Thatcher was the one who really worked to block a nuclear free world “dream” held by those two in Iceland and indeed something similar exists today as Trump bravely faces up to the real implications of Islam in the world and which is far wider than America.
And my explanation of this again is that the British ruling class seeks to be a “friend” of America but is it? Is it a friend of the American Great Revolution and Great American Constitution which kicked the imperialist Brits out on their backsides?
I do believe that Britain since that time has harboured a deep resentment against America.
I see this British ruling class now in direct conflict with Trump on the issue of Islam. Teresa May clearly is so and evades the central issues in the Donald Trump call on immigration concerning WHAT IS THE NATURE OF ISLAM.
The British say one thing but hide their real views. the real views of Teresa May are what is churned out by the BBC which in turn and at the service of Teresa May every minute acts as a propagandist for Islam.
This is also the root of the problems which the Jews had in setting up their Homeland. The Jews realized too late that the British were always the mouth of Islam and the “Palestinian” Arabs are really the forces of Islam on the conquest path, the only game they have.
Call to action! I believe that the working class who supported Donald Trump to be President and the working class in Britain in the North and Wales also will fight to the end against Islam. But it will be decided by leadership and I believe that will be Marxist as I am.
I suspect that if you scratch Nancy Pelosi and others (dreadful thought!) you will find a British Empire medievalist who does not want the world to advance.
gravenimage says
The British and the United States have been staunch allies for almost two centuries–this was most apparent during WWI and WWII. This is true despite the awful current Prime Minster of Britain.
As for your lauding of the horrors of Communism, this is almost as appalling as Islam.
Demsci says
Very good article! I realised that this article gave me much more understanding of what the Trump team is thinking and doing. And that made me so glad and energized!
“They’re going to treat Islam as a hostile political ideology.” Was thinking much about this one great phrase.
But the Trump team couched it’s language in a assortment of Tenets and characteristics of Islamic doctrine, yet without identifying these AS definite Islamic doctrine.
This seems to leave open the narrative that only a big but unknown part of Muslims embrace all the named supremacist Tenets/ characteristics. Meaning that another big part does not.
So this could well be about the idea that Islam is unclear and Multi-interpretable. Leaving open the possibility that SOME Muslims might be OKayed to enter the US, after “extreme vetting””
The Trump team has not yet determined that Islam is ONLY CLEARLY a hostile political ideology. That would have opened them up to the the accusation of ” Painting all Muslims with one Brush” and to that vehement implacable and widespread protests would come quickly and massively.
But the Trump team seems to indicate that Islam is INTERPRETED in that hostile political way by way too much of Islamic Clerics, leaders, governments, organisations and hundreds of Millions of followers.
Demsci says
‘/America is an astonishing social experiment. If it continues to open its borders, it will be overrun like Europe by those who desire its destruction, and could quite literally sink back into darkness.”/
I was also so deeply impressed, happy and energized reading this “gem-formulation”
So protection of this astonishing social experiment, the democratic system, is the underlying goal and desire! the only question is how?
This is the positive counterpart of defending against, and so fighting against Islam; preserving the beautiful democratic system of the West. It is much better than ABI (Anything But Islam).
We could experiment with the phrase and loose Alliance of: “Democracy 2050” as THE movement that is the great competitor of Islamic ideology for the hearts and minds of humans. It can have as goal to have 90 % of mankind living under democracy in 2050.
How could liberals be against such a common positive goal? They could only disagree with the Trump Team about the methods and their moral quality to reach this common goal.
Brian of London says
Thank you, America is something special. A creation in law of a pluralistic nation but with a strong foundation in the best value system man (or God) has ever expressed.
Islam is set on destroying this.
gravenimage says
Demsci wrote:
So protection of this astonishing social experiment, the democratic system, is the underlying goal and desire! the only question is how?
This is the positive counterpart of defending against, and so fighting against Islam; preserving the beautiful democratic system of the West. It is much better than ABI (Anything But Islam).
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Exactly, Demsci–I have always said that it is not just that we oppose the horrors of Islam, but that we recall what it is we are fighting *for*–our civilized Western values. We have a lot to be proud of, and great deal to lose if we do not defend what we stand for.
All too many in the West have forgotten this–or never learned it to begin with. We have created not just the most civilized societies in the world, but the most civilized societies in the *history* of the world. *This* is worth fighting for.