“In my opinion, as long as the spread of the Salafi Jihadi ideology is not stopped decisively by all parties, then the threat of IS and other terror groups with the same ideology will not dissipate. In fact it will grow further.”
Indeed.
“He also warned of so-called ‘religious experts’ who depicted the terrorist group’s actions as justified.”
But what if the group’s actions are indeed justified in Islamic law? That, too, needs to be confronted.
“Ayob Khan: Curbing spread of ‘Jihadi’ ideology critical to stopping IS threat,” Malay Mail Online, January 1, 2017:
KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 1 — The threat of Islamic State will continue to grow if the spread of the “Salafi Jihadi” ideology is not curbed, said the chief of Bukit Aman’s Special Branch Counter Terrorism Division.
DCP Datuk Ayob Khan said all parties must play their part, especially government departments, institutions of higher learning, mosques and NGOs, by vetting those invited to speak on issues relating to terrorism, especially Salafi Jihadi ideology issues.
“In my opinion, as long as the spread of the Salafi Jihadi ideology is not stopped decisively by all parties, then the threat of IS and other terror groups with the same ideology will not dissipate. In fact it will grow further,” he told The Sunday Star in an interview.
He also warned of so-called “religious experts” who depicted the terrorist group’s actions as justified.
“For example, when members of the audience such as college and university students ask whether it is warranted for Muslims to join IS, these experts will often say that if Muslims are being oppressed then it is a must for other Muslims to give assistance.
“Such answers clearly shows that this person promoted and encouraged Malaysians to follow the false ideology of the IS and fight in Syria despite that there being a fatwa (by the National Fatwa Council and international religious scholars) that clearly prohibits Muslim Malaysians from joining IS in Syria,” he said….

linnte says
Salafi ideology? I read the Qur’an and Hadiths and didn’t see any word “Salafi” I think this Malaysian means Islamic Ideology.
Adrian says
Correct, linte…
but it’s up to muslims to clean their own house and do whatever they have to do if they are so desperate to salvage something of a meditative, peaceful and personal “religion”from the insanity of Islam…
imo, their sick ideology is beyond any sort of reformation – i would just send in a battalion of Jesuits with AK-47s
linnte says
Do Jesuits carry AK 47’s? Hahahahaha!
umbra says
Georgetown Jesuits probably carries a copy of the koran instead.
terry says
Umbra–i think that the current pope also carries the koran.
He certainly talks like Islam is OK.
umbra says
@Terry
You are most probably correct. Grant imam francis of Rome would likely be well furnished with various islamic text, including the koran.
Rob says
No – he’s correct in identifying the movement which is most responsible for the spread of this concept – salafism and wahhabism. It’s these which prevent – through brutal reaction to criticism and realism – any hope of reform within Islam.
But Mr Ayob Khan has also just made himself a target for assassination. Anyone who reasons accurately where- and how this movement needs to be confronted comes into the crosshairs of those whose interest lies in promoting jihad and removing its real opponents from the battle.
linnte says
Rob, Islam cannot be REFORMED. It is impossible, unless certain aya are removed from the Qur’an. If the Qur’an is the holy word of Allah, how can it be altered or changed? Reinterpretation is strictly forbidden for this same reason. Even Raheel Raza said she didn’t want to change the Qur’an, because she believes it is the holy word of Allah. And she is a “reformer”. Changing the Qur’an would be like me saying “let’s fix the Gospel to say Love one another as I have e lived you most of the time”. Qur’an commands that it not be altered or changed.
Yes, it has been written and changed as we know it has. But today’s Qur’an is what counts to Muslims, and they deny that it has ever been written differently. (Early versions compared to now.) It’s hopeless to expect Islam to change. It must be eradicated.
carol says
The whole “religion” needs to be scrapped. Who needs the bother?
Vikram Chatterjee addressed reform while studying a little 2015 book Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris co-authored “Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue”.
Chatterjee thinks Nawaz is bogus and explains why by discussing the nature of the ulama. The paragraph begins with “Having done all that…” and continues for about five paragraphs:
https://vkchatterjee.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/maajid-nawaz-stealth-jihadist-exposed/
linnte says
Hadiths says “whoever changes his religion, kill him”. That can mean apostacy or altering the Qur’an.
Debi Brand says
Spot on, linnte,
It is Qur’an and sunnah ideology–the reason for the actions of the devotees to Islam.
K. says
Arabic, from salaf predecessor, forebear.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/salafi
Leonidas says
Islam is a political ideology ( >85%) -islamofascism, disguised as a religion ( <15%) ,which is a heresy of Judaism ( mainly from Deuteronomy),according to islam's " holy" book The Koran .Islam must be reformed or perish as president Sisi of Egypt requested of the mullahs in 12/14- see YOU TUBE
TO DEFEAT BARBARIC ISLAM:
1-Ban muslim immigration ,which is HIJRAH to infiltrate ,islamize and impose the barbaric sharia law on the world.Muslim refugees should go to vast , rich Saudi Arabia pending return to their countries.
2-Liberate ALL muslim women from male subjugation imposed by the koran and give them Equality.
3- Protect Apostates from Islam,Adulterers, Blasphemers, Homosexuals ,Hypocrites from death commanded by the koran.
4- Denounce the Medina part of the koran and burn it
as a hate book ,since it teaches the orthodox muslims to become jihadists,never to be friends with infidels, but to kill them ,if they refuse to become muslims or pay to them the jizya dhimmie tax in humiliation.Koran also says women are dumb and they will ALL go to hell , unless their husband says in the Last Day " he was pleased with her!!
5- Denounce " prophet" Muhammad as a bloody criminal, since according to eye witnesses in sira and hadith he was a murderer,rapist,pedophile,bandit,torturer,liar and slave trader.
6-Deny nuclear weapons to the Iranian jihadist government , as they will use them in their jihad to terrorize , kill and conquer all of us infidels ,as the koran commands them.
Then millions of muslims ,especially women ,will abandon evil islam and it will collapse the way the Soviet Union did in 1989!
Dacritic says
Yes. Basically just denounce Islam.
They would call it anything, “Islamism”, “Salafism”, whatever nonsense, just to try their very best to refrain calling it what it really is… ISLAM.
Muhammad’s ISLAM.
ElderlyZionist says
Sounds like a program to me. Beats doing nothing.
Tommy Peters says
Folks, In 2010 Rand Research published a paper entitled “Deradicalizing Islamist Extremists” that appears to embarrass Malaysia if it were true. The report explicitly states that “(Malaysian) government representatives try to convince the detainees that Malaysia is already an Islamic state and that the government shares the radicals’ goal of fully implementing sharia law.”
Excerpted from page 105. “Unlike Singapore, however, Malaysia has not disclosed much information about its efforts to rehabilitate its extremists. What is known is that deradicalization is a government-run effort built around a religious dialogue led by clerics who instruct the prisoners on Islamic jurisprudence and their responsibilities as Malaysian citizens. All Islamist detainees take part in the Tafaqquh Fiddin program which consists of a monthly religious meeting, but only those who do well in these sessions are enrolled in a more demanding deradicalization program, which meets for four to seven days. As part of these discussions, government representatives try to convince the detainees that Malaysia is already an Islamic state and that the government shares the radicals’ goal of fully implementing sharia law. According to the authorities, the militants are told that they need to be patient because the Malaysian legal system is gradually adopting sharia alongside its secular legal code” http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2010/RAND_MG1053.pdf
linnte says
It’s been 1400 years, so what’s a few more years to wait for the Caliphate, right? We impatient Westerners want things done NOW, but Qur’an specifically tells Muslims to wait for the appropriate time.
Timothy Zak says
This is what so many people fail to understand. They think in terms of human life times, where religious thinking thinks in terms of eschatology. I think is why ordinary Christians understand Islam so much better than secular intellectuals.
So long as the west thinks in terms of election cycles, we are doomed to lose. So long as we think of children as a lifestyle choice, we are doomed to lose. The Muslims are banking on the belief that we can’t change course.
I’m not sure that the methods secularists are using to destroy Christianity will work on Islam. This possibility must be explored. However, at this present moment I believe the secularists are more vulnerable to Islam than vice versa. This situation is not good for us. Deep consideration must be made to the ideological battle. There will be war, but the methods of violence will not bring ultimate victory. Religions are destroyed from within.
Demsci says
You argue very interestingly, Timothy; I like to respond.
You say: (I believe) the secularists are more vulnerable to Islam than vice versa””. OK, what if we divide those secularists into a big group with no commitment to an inspiring ideology and those with one? The Non-committed surely are no match to Islam, granted, even if they outnumber the Muslims 10 to 1 or so.
But ….. among the secularists there might be the dedicated followers of ideologies that are so much more true, contemporary, forward looking and beneficial than Islam? So that it should not so much be our goal to let Muslims become “non-committed secularists”. What would be the point if Islam is so much stronger than “non-commitment”? To me, a much better goal is to identify those ideologies that compete very well with Islam and to draw Muslims INTO THEM, and only thus OUT OF ISLAM (which I, as many here do, believe is a non-reformatable lost cause).
Demsci says
So, Timothy, I do not especially believe that “religions are destroyed from within”.
I rather believe sooner or later some OTHER/ not necessarily Better, but hopefully better ideology or religion REPLACES the old religion/ ideology, in big numbers. Granted, after all sorts of problems WITHIN in the old religion.
Right now, Islam’s history is “torn to shreds”by very knowledgeable, logical and eloquent historians, or those who study them very well, like Jay Smith, Tom Holland, Robert Spencer himself. Robert Spencer, David Wood and many other Islam-critics debunk and ridicule so much of Islam and it’s prophet and they are very popular on internet.
New ideologies ARE around, just rather small and still under the radar. But who sees new successful religions or ideologies coming in history? But suddenly they can spring up and erupt; was n’t this the case with Islam as well?
Yuval Harari wrote; Islam, which regards its golden days as in the distant past (in the time of the rightly guided caliphs), which only looks forward to “judgement day”, has next to nothing to offer mankind in the future.
But other ideologies, supported by burgeoning new technology with unbelievable possibilities, say: “The best is yet to come!” Is n’t that much more attractive than Islam?!
And: Do Muslims really have time on their side? Artificial Intelligence is advancing rapidly, with Machine learning. Can the Muslims be sure that AI-robots will NOT get more intelligent than humans and close all possibilities for Islam to win? Can they afford to gamble on this and play the long term strategy?
NabiRasch says
Not really: They scheme to achieve it both ways.
Don McKellar says
The problem for people like him is that the Islamic State and all the rest of them are only following as literally and faithfully as possible the Koran and the examples laid out of the myths about the character Muhammad in the hadiths.
So what exactly is he proposing? That Islam itself be confronted? No. He just doesn’t like the brand name of the same old poison in its concentrated form. Well, you go ahead and try and dilute it all you want, but that poison ends up coagulating and showing up concentrated over and over again, everywhere. All of history shows that.
As Robert notes: “But what if the group’s actions are indeed justified in Islamic law? That, too, needs to be confronted.” He’s never going to do that. That will get him killed by the “moderates” in Malaysia.
Wellington says
Seconded, Don McKellar.
The problem, the real problem, is Islam——all of it.
Frankly, I have become exceedingly tired that so many have, whatever pathetic excuse, not figured this out yet. Or, in the alternative, equally tired of all those who have figured this out but are too weak, selfish or lazy to openly oppose the abomination which is Mo’s creed.
Cowardice and willful ignorance are just about the two best allies of evil. No better example of this can be found in all of history than the way Islam is “prospering” in the West over the last few decades or so.
Mong says
Islam covers one fifth of the planet. To eradicate it outright isn’t possible. But slowly slowly catchy monkey. If Muslim groups want to identify one aspect or “interpretation” of their faith and condemn it, we should support that. We should join them in their condemnation. It’s divide and conquer. Instead of saying ‘no, you’re wrong to condemn just that, the whole thing is rotten’, let’s take the offering and work with it. Bit by bit, they’ll have nothing left.
Wellington says
Would you, Mong, say the same about Nazism, fascism, and Marxism, or the Ku Klux Klan? Yes, I understand the divide and conquer bit (e.g., during the Cold War playing Tito’s Yugoslavia against Soviet Russia) but one should never lose sight of the fact that evil is evil, and while one can occasionally compromise on tactics, one should never compromise on overall strategy.
linnte says
I wholly agree Wellington. I will condem ALL of Islam, even the so called “Reformers” like Zudi Jasser and Raheel Raza. Nope, it’s all or nothing, because if it isn’t all, this whole horrifying, vicious cycle will raise its terrifying head again.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
Mong says
If Muslims want to not eat pork, I’m ok with that. If they want to pray five times a day, I’m ok with that too. Whilst Muslims are willing to condemn what they choose to believe is a particular sect of Islam, despite the fact that it’s actually core Islam, I’ll join them in condemning it. I’ll just wait till we’re all agreed before pointing out that they too are now condemning Islam itself. The goal here is to stop them killing people. If they have become an intellectual contortionists initially due to the obviously violent and authoritarian teaching of their ‘religion’ then so be it. I’m just saying, you eat an elephant one bite at a time.
ECAW says
Mong – do you eat a live tiger one bite at a time?
ECAW says
Having said that, I tnink it shouldn’t be difficult to identify and proscribe those parts of Islamic scriptures which are inimical to the rest of us and which contradict the laws of host countries. We should follow that up with the ultimatum “If you cannot accept this Islam lite then piss off somewhere else or be tried for sedition”. I think we would find that the proscribed bits are actually the vital parts of Islam and it would soon fade to nothing in the West. No doubt it would intensify in OIC land but we would see how well Islam can survive by itself without kaffirs to prey or parasitise on.
linnte says
Mong, even Raheel Raza, the woman who narrates “By The Numbers” said she doesn’t agree with altering the Qur’an, because she believes it is the holy word of Allah. Raheel is a so called moderate Reformer!
gravenimage says
Mong, few of these Muslims are actually condemning Jihad violence. More often, they are just castigating their rivals.
Debi Brand says
“The problem, the real problem, is Islam——all of it.”
Amen, Wellington, my Friend.
Demsci says
Also seconded, Don and Wellington. Islam is hopeless and unreformable! no matter how much people like Sam Harris, Majid Nawaz, Zuhdi Jasser and even Daniel Pipes believe this.
The only peaceful outcome that’s possible now that militant Islam is so on the rise, in the long term, is definitely not reform of Islam,
And yet, being in a city with an Islamic Mayor, Rotterdam, with Aboutaleb, surrounded by 100.000 Muslims or so in it, many of them working for the municipality and in shops,
I am not prepared to “paint all Muslims with the same brush”. And it is my big hope that a majority of these ordinary Muslims, who seem to have absorbed so much of our values and norms, or who have had to dissimulate to believe them for so long now, decades, many all their lives. Who from being toddler join OUR schoolsystem, in very mixed classes, with # 40 % Dutch maybe and ever so many “nationalities”, who thus …
seem to be “Cultural Muslims”, who genuinely HAVE befriended many Kuffars and who have COOPERATED long time with them, who have served them in shops and services “for ever”,
Moreover; who are heavily depending on Kuffar help and magnificence in social welfare and medical care, especially for elderly parents, their children + other relatives,
that many of those will eventually find a better religion or ideology, one that IS compatible with our Democracy. It’s a long term dream I know.
I wish part of the Western people endeavoured great effort into converting Muslims into something better, religionwise! But to achieve that a lot of pressure on them would also be necessary.
Demsci says
In addition, I get the impression that the 50.000 or so Cabo Verdians in Rotterdam, overwhelmingly catholic, and the even more numerous “black” Caribbeans among us, from the Antilles (Curacao),,
who seem to be either Christian or Agnostic,
do not ALIGN much with the Muslims in Rotterdam against our democracy and values.
Many Caribbeans seem to like America, due to American tourist dollars, for instance. And these people, esp. the women, are fiercely guarding their freedom, including their (often revealing) dresscode. Not to mention that they can be very attractive to Muslima’s, who look down on them as partners, which leads to strife
So, I think it is a numbers game and I vote Geert Wilders because I desperately want to curb Muslim-immigration. Among a Muslim-majority democracy has zero chance.
gravenimage says
Alas, I don’t think many Muslims have adopted our values and norms at all.
Even here in the US, over half of Muslims want to see the imposition of Shari’ah law.
carol says
Islam is a successful formula for brainwashing. Like “identification with the aggressor” the bonds end up being surprisingly strong. Who, other than childhood victims or wicked narcissists, can enjoy and be inspired to consider such a loathsome, ludicrous mind-construct as a ‘religion?
But everything is so COMMINGLED in Islam (especially in more southern realms) that it succeeds in confounding everyone: cultural ties; family ties; political ambitions; little opportunity for freedom and identity for women; social bullying and mutual silencing; spoiled boys becoming frustrated, idle, homosocial men using brutality for sport and grandiosity etc.
And It’s a mistake to view them as reformable versions of would-be Christians. This is the attitude that paralyzes us in our reactions e.g. turn the other cheek. Most are obviously alien versions of humans. Dr. Tawfik Hamad, an expert in cognitive psychology, in his book “Inside Islam”, speaks of their duality as a form of “COGNITIVE DISSONANCE”. They can appear to be your kindly neighbour one moment and just as quickly and easily be your worst enemy the next. All it takes is for “Islam” to snap its fingers.
Wahhabism has to be contained. Maybe a lid on the Sauds would help. then we can worry about the Iranians.
Angemon says
I keep hearing this canard about “salafi” and “wahabi” islam, as if they’re the odd ones out and all other sects of islam are peaceful and harmless. Well, Iran is the leading terrorism-sponsoring state in the world. Are Iranians salafi or wahabi?
Kepha says
Neither. The Iranian authorities support Ithna’ashariyya Shi’ite Islam.
PRCS says
Remember this October JW article?
“Moderate” Malaysia to debate introducing Sharia stonings and amputations in state of Kelantan
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/10/moderate-malaysia-to-debate-introducing-sharia-stonings-and-amputations-in-state-of-kelantan
LR says
So what is happening now in Malaysia with that?
gravenimage says
I believe these savages are still “debating” this.
umbra says
It appears to have been put on hold, indefinitely. That was an attempt by the ruling party to court the support of the PAS. As it stands, that bill debate/vote has been continuously pushed down the ladder as more “important bills” have been added to the parliamentary schedule.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Umbra.
davej says
So the way to de-radicalize them is to claim that their goals have already been achieved? I guess that might work.
citycat says
Ayob Khan seems to infer there is a ‘peaceful’ Islam being obscured by salafi jihadi idealogy.
“All parties must play their part”
Against the evil that is nothing to do with Islam?
This looks like a stage in Islam’s progress.
As Virgil puts it-
“O men, the greatest part of our work is accomplished, away with all fear as to what remains!”
Leading to the type of peace described by CLAUDIAN-
“A more serious war is concealed beneath peace”
Islam is taking hold in many parts of the world of the infidel.
Migrants carrying the seeds of Islam. Rape murder etc is a litmus test.
Attention is drawn by the violence and pretend nice talking, from the incubations happening 24/7.
What’s the next move?
They are trying for the pearl, but as the chinese say,
“sleeping dragon wakes” i hear very recently, stuff from here.
Awareness is suddenly increasing, or speaking out, between like minds, that is.
carol says
They’re “groupies”. They expect a waiting game and nothing will be more meaningful to them than a pat on each other’s head. We appear to be little more than an insect problem to them.
Non-hate-filled extermination may be our only salvation since we don’t have a magic wand. We all know the world would be better off without Islamic ideology and its carriers.
gravenimage says
Malaysia counter-terror chief says Islamic State will grow unless its ideology is confronted
…………………………
Of course, since Ayob Khan and virtually all the rest of Malaysian authorities are Muslims, this will never happen. This is not “Salafi Jihadi ideology”, but mainstream Islam.
Michael Copeland says
“They are doing exactly what this book says.”
Lt-Col. Allen West
gravenimage says
True.
mortimer says
Malaysia’s counter-terror chief wants to confront the IDEOLOGY of ISIS???
This sounds like my idea of DEPROGRAMMING jihadists.
The only protocol that will actually work is to DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS COMPLETELY OUT OF ISLAM.
No half measures.
ECAW says
We’re still waiting for the details Mortimer.
Demsci says
Well, what would that “deprogramming” render with those ex-Muslims? Leftists, Non-committed secularists? The very ones that are now most easily led by a minority of fanatics and the least resisting and most easily converting, into Islam, part of our Western population?
No, the game should be to endeavour for an overarching democratic ideology that itself is or has under it’s umbrella some ideology
finally successfully competitive with Islam and which will draw Muslims out of Islam as well draw all sorts of other people to it.
I myself favor Humanism and Transhumanism, heavily dependent on exhilarating technological progress, in the next 20 years or so.
And it may be a choice for many to, in order to defeat Islam, to endorse new ideologies, previous abhorrent or totally uninteresting to them,
precisely because, it may well be that it is impossible to separate Muslims from Islam by disparaging it only and asking them only for apostasy. But when there is the pull of a really attractive good alternative to Islam, who knows what might happen.
carol says
Demsci…aren’t today’s lefties mainly stupid college kids hoping for free tuition? and doesn’t democracy fail with those who are too stupid to realize the boot on their throat needs to be voted out? And there are worthwhile creeds (if you don’t take them as graven images). Islam certainly isn’t one of them BTW. Most Westerners would probably recommend Christianity *(altho I cringe when I see Islamists try to tuck it under their black wing). No, Christianity is far too subtle and refined to be appreciated by many Muslims. They have an obvious taste for the kickapoo joy juice. It gets them all venting and excited.
Mankind: a failed experiment of nature – too much brain, too little wisdom.
I do hope the Islamists leave some of us behind to inherit the earth.
gravenimage says
With respect, Carol, I do not believe mankind is a failed experiment. Man is capable of greatness and vision and great moral decency.
We are also, unfortunately, capable of just the opposite–and nothing is so symptomatic of this than the foul creed of Islam.
Don’t give up–just keep fighting for the good.
linnte says
I know you put this forward as a remedy, but HOW? Lobotomy maybe? For crimminy sake half of them are interbred already. Intense mind control? Torture? I don’t think it can be done Mort!
gravenimage says
When has this “deprogramming” *ever* worked?
And how are Muslims going to reject violent Jihad? That means rejecting the “Prophet”, which is not going to happen.
linnte says
Exactly. And Happy New Year dear GI!
gravenimage says
Same to you, Linnte–and to all good Anti-Jihadists here! 🙂
Barry says
Islam is Islam, and will never change. It began with violence 14 centuriesago and has continued that way ever since. It has only ever established hegomony by violence and conquest, and is not going to change.
If something has worked for fourteen hundred years why would you change it? The crusaders reversed the tide centuries ago; that is why Islamists rant on about the Crusader nations. We’ve forgotten , but they haven’t.
Les says
My 2017 prayer is for the implosion of Islam and for all civilized societies to mock and condemn Islam so that a swift and decisive end will come to this cult and diseased ideology that is trying to destroy civilization. Islam is the antichrist.
Demsci says
Amen to that!
carol says
They’re just pirates who can’t find their way out of their own trap so they’ve decided to enjoy it instead. (whining, pillaging, swinging swords about, sanctioned rape, drug usage, counterfeiting, hystrionics etc.)
Good news is that modernity isn’t likely to go away and they’ll probably have to take an honest look in the mirror and learn things like e.g. how to make independent working women out of baby machines; how to be decent citizens carrying your own weight and not milking your betters; how to use critical reasoning etc.
Bad news is that numerous generations will likely be afflicted and burdened with the leftover religious inanities of these incredibly shameful representatives of “God’s creatures”.
carol says
They’re just pirates who can’t find their way out of their own trap so they’ve decided to enjoy it instead. (whining, pillaging, swinging swords about, sanctioned rape, drug usage, counterfeiting, hystrionics etc.)
Good news is that modernity isn’t likely to go away and they’ll probably have to take an honest look in the mirror and learn things like e.g. how to make independent working women out of baby machines; how to be decent citizens carrying your own weight and not milking your betters; how to use critical reasoning etc.
Bad news is that numerous generations will likely be afflicted and burdened with the leftover religious inanities of these incredibly shameful representatives of “God’s creatures”.
duh swami says
In the institution, when you confront ideology, you must first remove the savage who is hanging off your arm by his teeth…The remedy for that is not the amputation of your arm…Certainly that would work, but it is the hard way of dealing with it… When it comes to Islam, the west has been amputating its own limbs…while jihad continues…
Florida Jim says
Whom is confronting the foul Islam? If you or Gorka and one of us say anything the a slimy media spews hatred trying to stop all mention of how Islam moves from Caliphate to Sharia to Jihad to Taqiyya to beheading.There is no moderate muslim they are stoned or beheaded themselves by other angry Muslims.
Duncan Thorburn says
How can any so called religion, be peaceful when the Founder was a Mass Murderer, a Paedophile, a Sex Slave Maker, Owner, Trader, and User?
The Quran tells muslims it’s their duty to lie to the Kafir, so they are always waiting to implement Sharia Law. Sharia Law built on the Sex Life of Pervert Muhammad, is the exact opposite of Human Rights, they cannot exist together.
Richard Courtemanche says
All non-Muslim and moderate Muslim leaders must cooperate and get to work immediately to eradicate this insane ideology.
gravenimage says
Which “moderate Muslim leaders” might those be?
Any Muslim follows the same ideology–Islam–that the Jihadists do.
davej says
Islam was designed to be reform-proof, but we must believe that individual Muslims are not. The first step is to make them ashamed of the antagonistic aspects by calling out hate speech for what it is. Rub their faces in it, arrest those who preach it and ban the books that are full of it. Crack down hard and accept no excuses. Put them on the defensive, if their religion has been “hijacked” then they must denounce the hijackers.
Make honor killings, FGM and death sentences for apostasy specific crimes, including preaching or threatening them.
And in the meantime stop all further Muslim immigration until THEY figure this out.
gravenimage says
If the Qur’an and Hadith are banned, I’m afraid it will just make criminals of good Infidels trying to learn about Islam. I have several copies of the vile Qur’an in my home; so do many others here. It would also make much of Jihad Watch–including Robert Spencer’s “Blogging the Qur’an”–illegal as well.
Rich says
There is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim, only Apostate ones, and there is no peace in the Religion of Islam, only a cult of death and ruination….we had better stop this practice of surrendering ourselves to our sensitivities and start acting on our rights to Self Preservation, because we are at war with Islam and despite what you are told, there is no such thing as a MODERATE nor Peaceful Islam…
If you are a Muslim that Practices Quranic, Sharia Law, than you are Devout Muslim. You’re Not a Radical nor have you Radicalized Islam, and you certainly didn’t Hijack the Islamic Faith, You Are in fact a DEVOUT Muslim to your Quran and a loyal follower of your prophet Muhammad.
If You are a Muslim that does not adhere to Quranic Law than you’re an Apostate and many are irresponsibly and dangerously labeling them as MODERATES, of which, they are not. Matter of fact, they are even more dangerous because their actions are the most hidden.
stumpknocker
ibrahim itace muhammed says
mr spencer,you queried what if terrorist ideology is islamic?that is your own school sharing the same view with terrorists who insist that it is islamic. but according to the school of the majority of muslims of about 99.99% of 1.6 billions of muslim population, terrorist school is perverted and isolated version of islam.it is an internationally recognised principle of interpretation that an isolated opinion cannot be relied upon to take a stand on a particular issue.mr spencer,you are an ignorant analyst on islam with sole objective of maligning it.your mission will fail.you are talking to people with critical minds who cannot be expected to take an idea hook, line and sinker.christian evangelists played the same game before you to malign islam,but they woefully failed.where are the orientalists?their distortions and misintertations of islam now vanished.their teachings are no longer in use.your own will soon follow suit and fall like cardhouse.falsehood is alway weak.your target audience will soon look behind the veil you place at the front of their sight and see the truth about islam as they did to obnoxious reading materials produced by evangelist deceivers on islam for their mithraist christianity to get market.
davej says
Perverted – Yes. Isolated – No.
It’s in the book and it is acted out daily around the world.
Over 30,000 Islamic terror attacks since 9/11 proves it is not “isolated”. The only “deceivers” are people like you and the Western leaders who spout the “religion of peace” nonsense.
gravenimage says
Appalling apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
mr (sic) spencer,you (sic) queried what if terrorist ideology is islamic (sic)?
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Robert Spencer was not “querying” this–it is clear that Jihad is Islamic. There is, in fact, nothing so Islamic as violent Jihad. The “Prophet” Muhammed himself was a Jihadist, and he affirmed that the highest goal in Islam is dying while slaughtering Infidels.
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that (sic) is your own school sharing the same view with terrorists who insist that it is islamic (sic).
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This is like saying that Winston Churchill was just like the Nazis because he said that Fascism was violent…
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but (sic) according to the school of the majority of muslims (sic) of about 99.99% of 1.6 billions of muslim (sic) population, terrorist school is perverted and isolated version of islam.it (sic) is an internationally recognised principle of interpretation that an isolated opinion cannot be relied upon to take a stand on a particular issue.
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What school might that be? The fact is that none of the four main schools of Sunni Jurisprudence rejects violent Jihad, nor does any mainstream Shia school. And how could they? That would mean rejecting the Qur’an, Hadith, and model of the “Prophet”.
Ahmadis reject violent Jihad, and they are considered heretics and are oppressed and murdered for it in the Muslim world.
Moreover, muhammed himself said just two days ago that Muslims will invade the West, conquer it, and force Christians to convert to Islam.
If this is not Jihad, I don’t know what is–so muhammed does not actually reject Jihad at all.
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mr (sic) spencer,you (sic) an ignorant analyst on islam (sic) with sole objective of maligning it.your (sic) mission will fail.you (sic) are talking to people with critical minds who cannot be expected to take an idea hook, line and sinker.christian (sic) evangelists played the same game before you to malign islam,but (sic) they woefully failed.where (sic) are the orientalists?their (sic) distortions and misintertations (sic) of islam (sic) now vanished.their (sic) teachings are no longer in use.
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Again, muhammed does not actually say what Robert Spencer has supposedly gotten wrong, because there is nothing he can point to.
And the idea that Robert Spencer’s purpose is maligning Islam; it is not. Instead, it is to warn Infidels about the increasing threat of Islam.
Besides, Islam is so appalling that it cannot be maligned, as anyone who has studied it knows.
And the idea that the illiterate muhammed has a “critical mind” is simply laughable. He has stated numerous times that he believes that converting to Christianity renders a man’s foreskin infested with maggots–hardly an indication of critical thinking.
His idea that the Orientalists were particularly critical of Islam is ridiculous, as well–many of them were romantics who tended rather to whitewash Islam.
As for his claim that critics of Islam have been proven wrong, note that he does not say how this is the case–which criticisms were proven wrong, and in what manner? But given his lack of rational argument, this omission should not surprise.
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your (sic) own will soon follow suit and fall like cardhouse.falsehood (sic) is alway (sic) weak.your (sic) target audience will soon look behind the veil you place at the front of their sight and see the truth about islam (sic) as they did to obnoxious reading materials produced by evangelist deceivers on islam (sic) for their mithraist (sic) christianity (sic) to get market (sic).
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Yup–still no details. But muhammed is right on one point–falsehood is indeed “alway” weak. He might want to start with his ludicrous reference to “mithraism”–but he won’t.
So–what is the truth about Islam? If you can believe that Islam rejects violent Jihad while being intent on conquering us and converting us to Islam, then this is the creed for you…
terry says
Isn’t the Malaysian government now involved in a Billion or so dollar scandal–called ripping off the government, by the few?
or, is that another Muslim area in Asia?