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Switzerland: Court rules Muslim girls must swim with boys, government says integrate or leave

Jan 10, 2017 8:47 am By Robert Spencer

“Integrate or leave” shouldn’t be controversial in the slightest degree. Why are only European and North American states not allowed to preserve their cultural identity? It appears increasingly clear that they are the focus of a concerted globalist/internationalist effort that means to efface that identity.

“Court rules Muslim girls MUST swim with boys after Government says integrate or leave,” by Rebecca Perring, Express, January 10, 2017:

SWITZERLAND has won a landmark court case, which has ruled Muslim parents must send their children to mixed swimming lessons.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) said school bosses are justified in enforcing the “full school curriculum” and children’s “succesful integration” into society.

Although the court recognised religious freedoms were being interfered with, judges said there was no violation.

The landmark case comes after two Swiss nationals, of Turkish origin, from Basel refused to send their teenager daughters to mixed swimming lessons.

Education bosses said exemptions were only available for girls who had reached the age of puberty – which the girls hadn’t reached at the time.

The parents were ordered to pay a fine of around 1,300 swiss francs (£1,100) for “acting in breach of their parental duty” after a long-running fued [sic] in 2010.

Therefore they argued this was a breach of article nine of the ECHR, which covers the religious rights.

However the ECHR held unanimously, that there had been “no violation of Article 9 (right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion) of the European Convention on Human Rights”.

Judges said the law involved was designed to “protect foreign pupils from any form of social exclusion.”

Switzerland last year rejected citizenship requests from two Muslim girls for refusing to take part in swimming lessons with boys at school.

The 12 and 14-year-old will no longer be considered for naturalised citizenship because they refused to comply with the school curriculum, officials said. …

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  1. Alien Republican says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 9:17 am

    “SWITZERLAND has won a landmark court case”. The sad thing being that a sovereign state submis to external courts.

    Freedom of religion NEVER included the freedom of practicing what the religion you adhere to demands. Not the “smithing necks” of your enemies, not the ripping out of human hearts as the Great Kukuklan demands.

    • girlgirl says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 9:21 am

      are you comparing not wanting to go to the swimming pool to cutting people’s neck? :/

      • Alien Republican says

        Jan 10, 2017 at 9:36 am

        Are you really THAT stupid or don’t you understand the concept of “ad absurdum” ?

      • Sam Kent says

        Jan 12, 2017 at 12:09 am

        The former may be worse than the latter.

  2. girlgirl says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 9:18 am

    I dont see the point why they have to force kids to frequent exclusively swimming pools as if they are the only way to integrate them. what a joke.
    What if a kid has a phobia of depth water? what if those girls feel distressed at the sight of almost naked people? (i hope they are not that much of a jerk that they pretend the girls to wear the obviously sexualizing female bathing suits)
    this time can be muslims , another time can be conservative christians or even prude atheists.
    I am an atheist myself and I never found appropriate the way people dress for swimming… it slightly disturbed me , not to the point that it prevented me to go to the swimming pool.. but i am sure there is some non-muslim girl out there who is somehow disgusted and disturbed by almost naked guys.
    nothing wrong with that.
    l dont see how being forced to do something that disturbs you might help you appreciating western society or how this activity is somehow fundamental for being a non-demaging member of a western society .
    why dont you want to respect other people “privacy” ?

    • Andreas says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 9:42 am

      Well the idea of the ruling is that you must comply with the school’s curriculum. Those girls did not comply for religious reasons , NOT , for physiological ones. What next, history lessons? Art because it might contain scenes of nakedness that might offend you?
      Central European countries have a long tradition is swimming and sports in schools. You are free NOT to live there if it offends you but NOT to expect the curriculum to conform
      To you. As for the citizenship , great decision as those kids obviously have not integrated to Swiss culture. Back to Turkey with them , ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

      • girlgirl says

        Jan 10, 2017 at 10:13 am

        apparently not wanting to see the ass and not wanting to show it is against european values 🙁

        I wonder if those self conscious swiss school-girls should also be kicked out of their country for not wanting to humiliate themselves in front of their classmates :/ such a danger for western civilization!

        • awake says

          Jan 10, 2017 at 11:24 am

          Since they’re Muslims, the best course of action is to prevent them from entering any non-Muslim countries in the first place.

    • Alien Republican says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 9:52 am

      First of all, I do live in Switzerland.

      “I dont see the point why they have to force kids to frequent exclusively swimming pools as if they are the only way to integrate them. what a joke.”
      —
      Kids are not sent to swimming classes as a means to integrate them. Swimming, gymnastics, sports is part of the physical EDUCATION.

      “What if a kid has a phobia of depth water?”
      —
      You don’t need to suffer any “phobia” for getting an excemption on medial grounds. A cold will do. Parents are OBLIGED to send their children to all lessons and may be fined severely for not complying.

      “almost naked people”.
      —
      Where you from peope go bathing almost in full clothes ? You certainly don’t get traumatized by nakedness.

      “I am an atheist myself and I never found appropriate the way people dress for swimming…”
      —
      Not you are not. If you were an atheist out of convictions you would understand that being an A-theist has nothing to do with any other cultural preference.

      “l dont see how being forced to do something that disturbs you might help you appreciating western society”
      —
      Same could be said for adults and being forced to bay taxes of more on the topic, kids being forced to go to school.

      • girlgirl says

        Jan 10, 2017 at 10:23 am

        If you don’t believe me I can say “fuck allah, war mongering mohammed and so on” .. I was not practising taqiyaa 😛

        Maybe the schools should make their kids wear less slutty (this applies to both boys and girls) swinwear.. not to make muslim immigrants happier but to protect children privacy… at least if there is a pedophile in the “school stuff” he won’t have a permanent hard on or if a girl/boy has some deformity or simply doesn’t have a “good looking body” he/she won’t be humiliated in front of his classmates.. I can care less about muslims all I care about is kids’ wellbeing.

        And your comparision with paying taxes is ridiculous , since when showing yourself almost naked is essential for the functionning of the society you live in?

        Furthermore it is unfortunately normal in my country to see adults and children in ridiculous conditions at the beach , one of the reasons why I don’t go there .. they ruin the panorama 😛

        • Lesley says

          Jan 11, 2017 at 12:01 pm

          Look, girlgirl… Westerners have the common sense not to flood into your countries and tell you how to rape your goats– stay in Cr@pistan if you’re against freedom 🙂

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 11, 2017 at 10:18 pm

        Great replies to the meretricious “girlgirl”.

    • Angemon says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 1:45 pm

      girlgirl:

      “I dont see the point why they have to force kids to frequent exclusively swimming pools as if they are the only way to integrate them. what a joke.”

      No one said they were “forced to frequent exclusively swimming pools” or that this was “the only way” to integrate them.

      “What if a kid has a phobia of depth water?”

      Then a doctor confirms the kid has a phobia and the teacher prepares a different activity for him.

      “what if those girls feel distressed at the sight of almost naked people?”

      Then they need to keep their feelings in check and use it as a learning experience – what happens next time they see, let’s say, the Baywatch trailer on TV?

      “(i hope they are not that much of a jerk that they pretend the girls to wear the obviously sexualizing female bathing suits)”

      If so, parents can protest. I don’t know how things are in Switzerland, but when I was in high school there were rules in place for swimming lessons: boys wore swim trunks, girls wore one-piece bath suit. No exceptions.

      “this time can be muslims , another time can be conservative christians or even prude atheists.”

      There’s a difference between being prude and not wanting to mix with members of the opposite sex because your religion says so. How do you think those kids will act, let’s say, on the beach or a public swimming pool where there’s no gender segregation?

      “l dont see how being forced to do something that disturbs you might help you appreciating western society or how this activity is somehow fundamental for being a non-demaging member of a western society .”

      It’s how Switzerland works – there’s no gender segregation and there’s no pandering to people who want gender segregation, because gender segregation is rightfully perceived as a bad thing. If that disturbs them, they should move somewhere more suitable to their special needs…

      “why dont you want to respect other people “privacy” ?”

      Since when was that about privacy? They don’t want to mix with girls because their religion teaches gender segregation.

    • jasnan says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      WHY ISLAMIST FORBID MIXING OF GIRLS WITH BOYS

      Islam has nothing humane / compassionate to offer……….. they only rely on hatred on others/ infidel to feel proud and emancipated

      Anything which fuels hatred between muslims and non-muslims , muslims will love to heart it and relish it…………

      If nothing is available to hate and feel proud, they boast about their womens chastity, their society has no humuscxuals, which is preserved at the cost of honor killing some women who are non-chaste , killing humuscxuals ( pure savages )……….. and they mock at westerners that they are adulterers and humuscxuals………….. which makes them feel superior.

      One more factor is the quran forbids Muslim women marrying non-muslims ( quran 24:3 ), because the infidel is inferior……. koran extremely racist and violent………….ALLAH IS infinite times more violent / fascist/racist than HITLER

      Islam………..pure honor based supermascist Savages……..

    • Themistocles says

      Jan 11, 2017 at 1:29 am

      Surely the solution is just to enrol the children in a some privately funded Islamic school. They are now all over the place in Western countries. A lot of those schools, probably most, actually get Government funding (see the news about a Sydney Islamic “private” school -$70,000,000 a year now cancelled because of fraud).

      These people have entered Western secular society but want their particular idiosyncratic values publicly affirmed while taking everything they otherwise want from the public common wealth.

      No, non, nyet. Nada, zilch, rien. Nothing. Not any more.

    • dwight hogg says

      Jan 11, 2017 at 7:23 am

      Time to accept the human body as normal – not something that creates an out of control crazed lust – the problem is Islam and its commitment to its misogynistic culture/religion. Incredible that the horrific number of sexual assaults has not created a backlash and that the political elite are silent about their citizens being victimized

    • Lesley says

      Jan 11, 2017 at 9:26 am

      @girlgirl: That is the way they care for children in Switzerland. If they, like you, aren’t comfortable with that, then it is more reasonable to go somewhere else rather than expect their host country to conform to their sensibilities.

      I was tired of living in the city; tired of the noise, the lack of parking, the rudeness of people, the high cost of living. I moved to the country where I am much more comfortable. It would have been silly for me to demand that everyone around me change just to accommodate me.

      If I decide to book a flight to Saudi Arabia, and walk around in a bikini because it’s just so hot, what do you expect will happen? Should I demand that everyone humor me and treat me gently because people in Hawaii walk around in bathing suits and I’m very comfortable this way?

    • Carolyne says

      Jan 11, 2017 at 11:27 am

      @girlgirl (Sort of repetitive, but whatever) Why don’t you want to respect other people’s freedom? It is none of your business how others dress, for swimming or for everyday life. In fact, I suspect your “Atheism” to be a covert Islam and you are trying to make a point when you actually have no point. No one and nothing guarantees that you or I, for that matter, will never be offended. Get over it. I consider you to be just another snowflake. Melt at the slightest upset.

    • Historian says

      Jan 24, 2017 at 12:57 pm

      If you find the human body disturbing, you have major issues.

  3. T DEVERS says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 9:21 am

    integrate or leave seems totally fine and just no more giving in to their barbaric customs

  4. concerned canadian says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 9:39 am

    I cant stand Islam. I TRULY find it a curs eon humanity.
    This issue I am mixed but defeated and here is why.

    I sort of like Boys and Girls separated for modesty reason’s.
    Like the fiction in my mind from say 1950. When life was “great”

    HOWEVER , what happens when some little twerp says
    I am NOT a boy , I am NOT a girl.
    Don’t disrespect my snowflake pro nouns.

    Then what? Cement the pool in ??!! Or have 35 of them ?
    I suppose one answer is a modest swimsuit for all ??
    Better option………..tell them all to GO BACK HOME !!!!

  5. Issa says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 9:54 am

    I had a look at the names of the judges on this case and half of them sound very Eastern European which probably explains this sudden outbreak of Islamophobia at the ECHR.

  6. Hugh FitzgeraldI says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 9:56 am

    “Integrate or Leave” is the seniible no-nonsense conclusion reached by the Supreme Court of Switzerland. One wonders how much time, and money, went into this case.
    And why did Switzerland feel it had any sort of duty to admit Muslims in the first place? Couldn’t those in authority have schooled themselves in what Islam=iinculcates, and pass legislation that would simply bar anyone who subscribes tto the Jihad verses in the Qur’an, or who regards Muhammad as the Perfect Man,and Model of Conduct, an ideal to be emulated, given what we know about him(little Aisha, the Khaybar Oasis raid, the murders of Asma bint Marwan and Afu ‘Afak) from the Hadith and Sira.

    Have those passages taught in Swiss schools, read out on the radio, recited on television.. Force-feed the Swiss public with what Islam teaches. And then ask Muslims ;point blank, at every open forum, whether they believe that 1) Muslims are the “best of peoples” (3.110) and Infidels the “vilest of creatures” (98.6), whether they agree with the Verses of the Sword (9.5 and 9.29), whether they believe Muhammad was right to approve the murders of Asma bint Marwan and Abu ‘Afak (120 years old!), and whether Muhammad’s keeping of slaves explains why there was never a Musllim William Wilberforce. Keep your Musilim interlocutor tongue-tied, bewildered, frustrated, angry at your steady assault of quotations from the Islamic texts, and don’t let up, ever.

    And again I come back to the ever-puzzling question: when did the nations of Western Europe decide they had a duty to admit people into their midst who, if they are True Believers in Islam, must perforce be a danger to all non-Muslims? Why is keeping them out considered by a some a violation of human rights? Does everyone possess some kind of inalienable right, no matter what they believe, to be taken in by peoples whose laws and mores are completely at odds with those of the would-be Muslim migrants? .

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 11, 2017 at 10:22 pm

      Good points, Hugh.

  7. gungfugilman says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 11:04 am

    I love Switzerland.

  8. Crusades Were Right! says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 11:37 am

    Here’s a riddle:

    Q. Is it religious persecution if Western countries prevent Devil worshippers from sacrificing virgins at black masses?

    A. Only if the Devil worshippers aren’t white!

    • JayT says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      And if you cannot afford an attorney, should you be arrested for sacrificing virgins as a Satanist, the ACLU will work pro bono for you……

      • Carolyne says

        Jan 11, 2017 at 11:55 am

        It would probably be hard to find a virgin, though.

  9. pdxnag says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    As always, exclude just the Muslim boys who represent a threat of violence – precisely because of their enforcement of evil Islam. The complaining girls, or their parents, are asserting the evilness of Islam.

  10. Angemon says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) said school bosses are justified in enforcing the “full school curriculum” and children’s “succesful integration” into society.

    Well, this is genuinely surprising – and for the right reasons, for a change.

  11. Singh the Sikh says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    If you want segregated swimming pools why not return the bosom of a Muslim country that might have them, such as Pakistan perhaps, or homeland Turkey, where you are free and welcome to practice your religious rights fully in your rightful and natural environment. You can feel at home surrounded by co-religionlists.

  12. jasnan says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    WHY ISLAMIST FORBID MIXING OF GIRLS WITH BOYS

    Islam has nothing humane / compassionate to offer……….. they only rely on hatred on others/ infidel to feel proud and emancipated

    Anything which fuels hatred between muslims and non-muslims , muslims will love to heart it and relish it…………

    If nothing is available to hate and feel proud, they boast about their womens chastity, their society has no humuscxuals, which is preserved at the cost of honor killing some women who are non-chaste , killing humuscxuals ( pure savages )……….. and they mock at westerners that they are adulterers and humuscxuals………….. which makes them feel superior.

    One more factor is the quran forbids Muslim women marrying non-muslims ( quran 24:3 ), because the infidel is inferior……. koran extremely racist and violent………….ALLAH IS infinite times more violent / fascist/racist than HITLER

    Islam………..pure honor based supermascist Savages……..

    Reply

  13. Gast says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    There is nothing wrong with the human body, and the sooner children get used to it and relaxed around the other gender without sexualizing, the better.

    • Themistocles says

      Jan 11, 2017 at 1:58 am

      Yes, let’s not get too excited by the opposite sex.

      Fill in the form (one for him, one for her).
      Attach sperm deposit.
      Wait until you are called.

      Feeling better?
      Much better. Aren’t we feeling much better? Yes we are.
      Oh Tom?
      Yes darling?
      I can feel nothing at all. It’s wonderful.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 11, 2017 at 10:36 pm

        This is not about “not getting too excited by the opposite sex”. It is about not considering any glimpse of a woman’s body grounds for rape–which is what Muslims do.

  14. Arthur says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    Honestly, I think this is the problem with these socialist countries: the high European Court must decide if little girls have to go to swimming lessons; French cities declare what kind of swimsuit you can wear on the beach. The government must impose its decisions on every aspect of life–kind of like living under Sharia, actually.

    I like the (original) US ideal better: do what you want as long as it doesn’t threaten the life/liberty/pursuit of happiness of others. But no free handouts: to eat, expect to work. How many migrants would we see if the reward for laziness and lack of skill was starvation? Conspiracy to commit murder, and other crimes punished. We don’t need to dictate everyday life, and legally define every aspect of our “culture.” We just need to stop the free rides, stop importing unskilled militants, and enforce existing laws.

    • Historian says

      Jan 10, 2017 at 8:31 pm

      Your statement about refugees to the US and handouts is hopelessly naive.. So-called “refugees” from the Middle Easter and elsewhere get PLENTY of handouts in the US. It’s one reason why so-called “refugees”–many of whom do not even qualify by definition–hey are so fiscally expensive: unlike the native American who goes on welfare, but who has either worked before hand or whose parents have–thus paying into the system, and unlike most other legal immigrants, who are theortetically barred from welfare for 5 years upon entry into the US, refugees get welfare, food stamps, Medicaid etc. from day one. And neither they nor their parents have paid anything in yet.

      http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettling-Middle-Eastern-Refugees
      ”
      Those who have recently objected to localities taking in Syrian and other ME so-called “refugees” have been shouted down with “that’s not who we are.” The “ideals” that you think the US has died some time ago. The government is never going exempt so-called “refugees” from welfare when they first get here, which is why it is IMPERATIVE to limit their overall numbers.

      • Themistocles says

        Jan 11, 2017 at 2:06 am

        He lives on Guam.

  15. theendofthedemonrat says

    Jan 10, 2017 at 11:19 pm

    Great to see Switzerland standing up for their values. On another note, Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau just appointed a somali moslem for “immigration minister”. If there was a vote today in Canada, he’d be gone. Their shiny pony isn’t shining anymore.

  16. Rotten Eye says

    Jan 11, 2017 at 3:14 am

    And the Earth became infected with the vile Muslim.
    The skies were dark with soot and the smell of death.
    And people lived in fear.
    Grain did not grow and the animals were sick.

    And it came to pass, the Earth saith:
    “I am sick and my life is unhappy when the Muslim walks on my land and breathes my air.
    All good men, find the Muslim and strike him at the neck, of all Muslims!
    Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
    Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the vile Muslim.
    Some ye slew, and some ye make prisoners.
    Destroy their dwellings!
    Destroy their seed that no Muslim shall be born unto the Earth.”

    If the dirty Muslims hides behind a rock or tree, the rock or tree will cry out:
    “Come! Look here! See the dirty Muslim hiding! Come and smite him.
    For surely they are sons and daughters of Pigs and Monkeys!”

    And the Muslim fled like a crazy man with fear in his eyes and terror in his mind!
    But he was not swift enough.
    For the Earth found and catch every one of the vile Muslim.
    And the Muslim was struck at his neck.
    And the Muslim blood flowed like the river Nile.
    Until all Muslims on Earth were smited.

    And Lo, Behold.
    The world became clean and fresh when the Muslims were no more.

    And the earth was happy.
    And people lived in peace and the Earth was good.

    In the name of Jesus Christ our savior,
    Amen

  17. Carmel says

    Jan 11, 2017 at 3:27 am

    Follow the waves or leave !!!

  18. patriotliz says

    Jan 11, 2017 at 11:35 am

    Muslim girls AND non-Muslim girls should NOT be “FORCED” to swim w/ any Muslim boys. They don’t want to be harassed or violated. Not until Muslim culture invaded Europe, was there any issue about community or school swimming pools being used by both sexes.
    Muslim women apparently need burkas and segregation to protect themselves from the unbridled sexual predatory practices of their Muslim male counterparts.

  19. Gen Jones says

    Jan 11, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    The article is a little confusing. If I’ve got this right, the girls are now teenagers but were 6 and 8 years old in 2010 when the parents sued. This was a grammar school environment with little kids in a mixed gym program. Later when students have reached puberty, swimming classes are divided as they seem to be for most sports in Western countries. This seems to be a sensible understanding of the differences in male and female performance and privacy concerns for kids going through puberty. But ultimately what the parents were saying by suing the state was that 6 and 8 year old girls are already sexual commodities. Bravo on this decision by the ECHR.

  20. gravenimage says

    Jan 11, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    Switzerland: Court rules Muslim girls must swim with boys, government says integrate or leave
    …………………….

    A welcome modicum of common sense. Glad to see it.

  21. Sam Kent says

    Jan 11, 2017 at 11:30 pm

    It is perfectly correct and justified for a sovereign nation to deny citizenship to any who reject the law of the land. This specific issue in Switzerland of compelling these two teen-aged Muslim girls to participate in a school program should send a strong message. The problem is not so much the specific issue of being forced to swim in the same pool as the boys as it is the dis-allowance of a foreign culture dictating to citizens just exactly how they are to run their country. This is also an issue of separation of religion and state, the more fundamental principle. That same principle also protects a religion in its privacy, in so long as that religion is not breaking the laws of the land. Religion may be practiced in private, for which reason we have churches, synagogues and mosques [although I must confess I am becoming biased against the last for reasons that will be obvious to the reader]. The Swiss are standing firm. All of Europe needs to stand firm, and as an American citizen I will not yield. If I am called an islamophobe for these freely spoken words, then I can only remind myself that the charge comes from the lips of traitors. We are a nation of freedom, and by damn we will remain so!

    • Sam Kent says

      Jan 12, 2017 at 12:06 am

      Correction on the above. It happened when they were pre-puberty. The response is the same.

  22. Dacritic says

    Jan 12, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    Thumbs up.

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