0:29 I seek refuge in Allah from Satan.
0:37 Thanks be to Allah the merciful one. Guide us on the right path
0:40 for those whom you blessed (Muslims), not the path of the ones
0:43 you are angry at (Jews) and the ones who went astray (Christians).
the wrong kind of Muslims and Muslim leaders have been gaining inroads into Christian circles, government circles, education and media circles for years.
Johnson is right. Another example of how Islamic supremacists have infiltrated everywhere and must be rooted out: Imam Mohamed Magid was “one of 26 people offering prayers and reading from Scripture at the National Prayer Service.” There he proclaimed the Islamic call to prayer. Magid is Chairman of International Interfaith Peace Corps and also once served as President of the Islamic Society of North America, which was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas terror funding trial. Federal agents once raided the All Dulles Area Muslim Society Islamic Center (also known as the ADAMS center), where Magid serves as imam. The raid was, according to Discover the Networks, “part of ‘Operation Green Quest,’ an investigation into terrorism financing by large elements of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood.”
More on this story, and this one. “Mystery: Obama’s favorite imam gets to pray with Trump,” by Leo Hohmann, WND, January 23, 2017:
It remains a mystery how an imam with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Barack Obama got invited to offer a prayer at the National Prayer Service Saturday after the inauguration of Donald Trump.
President Trump and his wife Melania were in the audience as Imam Mohamed Magid began praying in Arabic from the pulpit of the National Cathedral. He then cited a message from the Quran and translated it to English before walking over and shaking Trump’s hand.
Magid, born and raised in Sudan, is leader of a Shariah-observant mosque in Sterling, Virginia, and is a former president of the Islamic Society of North America. ISNA was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and works in concert with the seditious international organization founded in Egypt in 1928.
The surprise appearance by Magid at Saturday’s prayer breakfast led to an immediate rebuke by Faith Leaders for America, a group of 78 Christian and Jewish leaders who reject any interfaith dialogue with Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated groups. They issued a statement calling on President Trump to declare the Brotherhood a terrorist organization….

Know Thy Enemy says
Folks, please don’t get caught into this whole “right kind of Muslim” or “wrong kind of Muslim” nonsense. For the long-term good of non-Muslims, the only right kind of Muslims are Ex-Muslims. The only right kind of leaders are the Ex-Muslim leaders….. a leadership that is still in the nascent stage.
Alan Jennison says
Alas, you speak the truth.
Lauri Heikkilä says
Nah, we need the “right kind of Muslims”, because the Muslims are not going to listen to ex-Muslims, let alone people who never were Muslims. Maybe I’m naïve, but I still believe that a reformation is possible, though extremely difficult, given the doctrine’s inbuilt resistance to change. And I definitely believe that there are good Muslims who are able to reconcile being Muslim with being a proponent of secularism, democracy and modern human rights ideals. Tarek Fatah is a great example, you can’t not love the guy, even though he still professes himself a Muslim.
billybob says
Certainly Islam can be reformed. It is easier than one might think. They only need to remove the bad example of Muhammad from the texts and bingo – it will be reformed. Muhammad was a particularly nasty character, who had a habit of torturing and killing people, at least when he wasn’t busy raping and pillaging them. Just take him out of the picture, and his fake revelations from “Allah”, and Islam could be made into a wonderful, innocuous religion.
carol says
I don’t believe that. Rest some sugar sprinkles on doggy-doo and it remains contaminated even after it’s brushed off it’s carrier.The framework of Islam is an ugly skeleton and does not warrant continuation.
linnte says
What you are saying is “there are Muslims out there in our country who don’t follow the Qur’an or Hadiths/Sunna of Muhammad completely”. So, what happens when a “moderate Muslim” decides to become more pious? As long as their “Holy Texts” command Jihad, there can be no such thing as a moderate Muslim. As soon as their numbers expand those moderates will, guaranteed, become more like Muhammad. See David Woods video on the “Three Stages of Jihad”.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Linnte.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Well, there HAVE been 2 islamic reformations in the recent past. First was Wahabiism in Saudi Arabia (I think it was in the 1800’s, but don’t quote me on that). Wahabiism is the current nasty form (is there another kind?) of strict, fundamentalism of the Sunni sect. The other reformation was in Iran in the 80’s, when Khomeini came to power. Again, another reformation, of the Shiite sect, which returned to strict interpretation of the Koran. See! Reform! Ain’t it beautiful!
RAB says
As Raymond Ibrahim once astutely pointed out there is a third and final Islamic reformation, it’s called the Islamic State. This is the real Islamic reformation – back to the 7th century. Wake up! Islam is Islam is Islam and it’s all there in the Koran and the Sunnah. The kind of reformation you are thinking of is never going to happen in Islam; it would mean the end of Islam and a blessing for the rest of the world.
linnte says
I don’t see anything but a very very horrendous and ugly end to Islam. It could be the catylist for the destruction of humanity and civilisation as we know it today. I would much prefer all Muslims convert to Christianity, but Imams world wide lie about the Gospel. So sad.
gravenimage says
All true, aDhimmiSaysWhat? and RAB.
Generally, a “reform” of a religion is a return to its roots, not an actual change. Unfortunately, that means that Islam becomes *more* oppressive and violent.
gravenimage says
Lauri Heikkilä wrote:
Nah, we need the “right kind of Muslims”, because the Muslims are not going to listen to ex-Muslims, let alone people who never were Muslims. Maybe I’m naïve, but I still believe that a reformation is possible, though extremely difficult, given the doctrine’s inbuilt resistance to change. And I definitely believe that there are good Muslims who are able to reconcile being Muslim with being a proponent of secularism, democracy and modern human rights ideals. Tarek Fatah is a great example, you can’t not love the guy, even though he still professes himself a Muslim.
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Lauri, with all respect, what you are describing are *apostates*. Even if they do not admit that they have essentially left Islam, no pious Muslim is going to listen to them–they are more likely to declare them Takfir and target them with violence.
As for Tarek Fatah, I’m afraid there is some less than great stuff from him here, where he attacks brave Muslim apostate Ayaan Hirsi Ali:
“A brief debate with Tarek Fatah”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/a-brief-debate-with-tarek-fatah
More on him here:
“Fanaticism: The Moderate Version”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/fanaticism-the-moderate-version
I don’t believe we can rely on such whitewashers of Muslim savagery as these.
Lauri Heikkilä says
Of course they are apostates, doctrinally. In the practical sense, however, Muslims are those who identify themselves as Muslims, regardless of how much of the actual doctrine they follow. The moderates just have to make their moderate version of Islam the mainstream. So far, the attempts haven’t fared very well, all “decent” branches of Islam have been relegated to the fringe, and most Muslims don’t even consider them Islam at all. But the fact is that there ARE religions rooted in Islam which ARE decent and have followers. The Baha’i for example. I don’t know what needs to happen for one such reformation to actually succeed and replace the current mainstreams of Sunni and Shia Islam, but I believe that it is at least a remote possibility. I shudder to think otherwise, because the only other possibility is that this civilisational war will go on for the next 14 hundred years as well.
Lauri Heikkilä says
Also, this information you shared about Fatah is new to me, thank you for sharing them. I may need to revise my opinion of him. Though it’s still a fact that he aggressively speaks against Islamists and cautions the Western leaders against being too trusting of Islamist agencies, as well as taking immigrants from countries where islamist ideologies are strong, so like with Maajid Nawaz, I think his version of Islam is still far preferable to the mainstream.
gravenimage says
Thanks for your reply, Lauri.
Unfortunately, Baha’i are a tiny minority–there are, tops, just over seven million Baha’i worldwide, and even that number is almost certainly inflated, compared to *1.6 billion* Muslims. Most estimates are of just about five million Baha’i globally–less than the population of Tucson, Arizona.
And the Baha’i are so oppressed and persecuted in their native Iran that their headquarters are located in Israel.
And while Baha’i are, thankfully, nonviolent, they are obligated to defend and whitewash Islam, including the foul “Prophet” Muhammed–there was a Baha’i, worldcitizen1919, who posted here quite frequently a year or so ago, who was always trying to convince everyone here that “real” Islam is not violent.
I have to admit my hopes for a peaceful reformation of Islam are slim to none–though I would love to be proven wrong.
I think our chances of isolating Islam is a better plan–Islam was largely isolated from the West for almost two hundred years, and we were quite safe during that period.
I also wanted to ask if you are Finnish? And I wanted to formally welcome you to Jihad Watch; I have not seen your comments here before.
Lauri Heikkilä says
Yes, I am Finnish. And thanks for the welcome. I rarely comment of the articles here, but I’ve been following the site for a while.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Lauri. I will look for your comments in the future.
Know Thy Enemy says
@Lauri
The fact that Islam permits violence makes it very difficult to ‘reform’ it (‘reform’ it the way you are thinking, that is). Take the bloggers of Bangladesh for example, many of whom were ‘reformed’ Muslims. The Islamists murdered a few of them. Result: Everyone who was running anti-religion (read: anti-Islam) blogs in Bangladesh shut them down and no one is thinking of starting new ones. The sword is clearly mightier than the pen when one of the parties is fundamentalist Muslim. And this is only one example.
Something similar also happened in UK last year. An imam was murdered because his murderer thought he practiced black magic, and an Ahmediya was murdered because he rejected jihadist violence. You can bet that these murders caused many British Muslims to put their plans to reform Islam on hold indefinitely.
And this is why people like Tarek Fatah and Zuhdi Jasser don’t stand much chance of reforming Islam. These two guys survive only because they live in countries dominated by non-Muslims. In Muslim heavy localities, areas that actually need reform, they would not even survive for long, let alone propagate their message.
This is why common sense says that reforming Islam is simply not possible. Muslim who want to ‘reform’ need to simply get out of Islam.
A second thing to consider is the judgement of people like Tarek Fatah or Zuhdi Jasser. Knowing what we know about Muhammad, why in the world would any sane person want to call him his/her prophet?? And knowing what we know about the contents of the Quran, why would anyone want to call that book his/her holy book?? Why not study holy books of other religions and simply switch to the one that appeals the most? There are many more useful teachings available in other books than what the Quran offers. What useful message does the Quran contain that is not available in other religions? So why are Tarek or Zuhdi even staying in Islam? Would you join their Islam knowing full well what is in their holy book and knowing full well who their prophet is?
These two guys are delusional and have poor judgement. Yes they aggressively speak against Islamists but we need to be careful not to get ourselves deluded into thinking that Islam can be reformed.
Debi Brand says
Lauri H. , Youy said, ” I don’t know what needs to happen for one such reformation to actually succeed and replace the current mainstreams of Sunni and Shia Islam but I believe ….”
I do: As touched on above, grab Muhammad by the seat of his haji pants and his long flowing beard, hurl him and his sunnah headlong out of Islam.
Burn all Islamic works that point to and expound on him as that which the Qur’an declares he is, then, from scratch, rewrite a new “religion.”
Debi Brand says
Of course it should be “You said,” and by no means, “Youy….” –blame it on my kitty…
Lauri Heikkilä says
Look, you forget that Islam is dualistic: there are two parts to the Koran and they offer radically different worldviews, which, while contrary to each other in many ways, are both technically correct. The Meccan Koran is, overall, quite decent, and there are many quite religious Muslims, not just secularised ones, who simply choose to ignore abrogation and follow the Meccan Koran rather than the Medinan Koran. Genuinely, they’re not just lying to the kafirs (though obviously some Islamist masquerading as “moderates” do lie). Islam would not have such appeal, it wouldn’t attract converts like it does, if it didn’t have a side to it that offers something else than just bloodshed and oppression.
gravenimage says
I think the other appeal of Islam, Lauri, is that it offers a “total way of life”–how a Muslim should deal with virtually every question, even how to go to the bathroom, is codified.
Even a devout Jew or Christian will often agonize over moral gray areas–no such concern in Islam, where its adherents no longer have to think at all.
Know Thy Enemy says
@Lauri
I am full aware of Islam’s dualistic nature and am sure that there is a big chunk of Muslim population that concentrates on following the Meccan portion of Quran. However as I said earlier, these guys are much weaker compared to the ones following Medina verses. They are so weak, they are basically at the mercy of the violent ones. It is possible that some of the Bangladesh bloggers were followers of Meccan Quran. Their blogs were up and running only as long as the violent Muslims were not going after their lives. The moment they did, the blogs had to shut down. Bottomline: The peaceful Muslims are as good as not being there. They have no power, no teeth, and no influence (except on non-Muslims who are desperate to find “moderate”, “peaceful” Muslims).
And don’t forget that the beliefs and actions of violent Muslims too are backed by Islam. So not only are the moderate/peaceful Muslims weaker, they also have no strong arguments against the violent ones when they themselves claim to believe in the same holy book. It is like a Christian telling other Christians that they should believe and live by a few cherry-picked commandments but not others. It doesn’t work that way.
It is obvious from your posts that you are letting your emotions do the thinking for you. It is hard for you to accept that Islam really is dangerous, that we need to be tough and harsh against it, and that we need to thoroughly defeat it before it defeats us.
And defeat us it certainly can. Just as fundamentalist Muslims shut down the Bangladesh bloggers, they also just as easily had the main stream media censor themselves and stop printing cartoons of Muhammad. And this happened even though Muslims barely make up 5% of western population. That alone should make it obvious that they really CAN subdue the west.
So be smart and don’t take risks with Islam. Do a harsh chemotherapy and get rid of it BEFORE it becomes a full-blown cancer!
Lauri Heikkilä says
Whatever gave you the idea that I don’t think Islam is dangerous? It obviously is. I think the doctrine is absolutely atrocious and that there is a far larger and more powerful bloc among Muslims who follow the doctrine too literally, than the media and the apologist “experts” would let us believe. I’m only trying to point out that we have to have some hope for them. If we abandon hope, there is a great risk that we start seeing Muslims as less than human, which would make us no better than Islamists. We can’t just see Muslims as enemies, we need to see them as victims of their own abhorrent ideology. Of indoctrination from early childhood, in many cases. Not the kind of victims who need our pity and forgiveness, but the kind of victims who need our help. They don’t need us to coddle them, they need us to tell them the truth. They need us to treat them as equals, judge them according to the same set of moral standards that we judge everyone else.
That’s about the extent of help we can give them, the rest is up to the Muslims themselves. We can’t force a reformation, but we can give them a push in the right direction and create an environment that encourages change. Hostility doesn’t help, stripping them of humanity doesn’t help, coddling them doesn’t help… but ending the toxic culture of political correctness just might help.
Know Thy Enemy says
Lauri, I do indeed see Muslims as victims of their own abhorrent ideology and have spent plenty of time trying to make them see the truth. However all my efforts, and the efforts of others like me, have made only a minor dent in the faith and loyalty that Muslims have towards Islam. After this failure, I have studied more and have a fairly good idea of why Islam has such a strong hold on Muslims. But then that is a separate topic.
Fortunately, I have also studied a far more important topic: What happens if we let lots of Muslims into our countries and treat them the way you explained in your post, but the efforts fail and it is Islam that manages to increase its power and influence in society? Then we will be screwed, just the way UK, France, and Germany are getting screwed at the moment. After France suffered multiple terror attacks, its PM Manuel Valls said “Times have changed, and we should learn to live with terrorism. We have to show solidarity and collective calm.” He said the truth. The French have no other option. What else can they do? Deport the Muslims out of France? They cannot, as it is not practical (Muslims are almost 10% of France’s population). The only option they have is to calmly learn to live with terrorism and do their best to not get accused of bigotry or Islamophobia.
I do not want my country to take that kind of risk as the chance of failure is very high. I do not want my kith and kin to end up in the situation that France finds itself in now. Also, there has been no society in history that has successfully gotten rid of Islam. Even in Turkey, where Kemal Ataturk suppressed Islam, secularism only lasted ~50 years. Today Islam is making a strong comeback there despite the Internet.
But don’t get me wrong. I have not lost all hope. I am all for seeing Muslims as humans and would love to watch them change and reform. But they need to do this in their own (Muslim-majority) countries, not where I live (USA). The consequences of failure are dire. I love Muslims but I love my own kith and kin MORE and I will not expose them to the risk that Islam and its followers pose! If you were smart you would do the same. The only Muslims that I am okay with coming to my country is EX-Muslims!
I hope this helped.
Lauri Heikkilä says
I agree with you on many points to an extent. Muslims are a rather small and powerless minority in my country, and I have no desire to see that fact change. If we’re talking about immigration, then I think Trump’s measures may be a bit heavy-handed, and I certainly don’t agree with him on nearly any other subject aside from Islam, but at least he kind of has the right idea about that subject.
Obviously it’s a bad idea to let Muslims gain influence in our society. Time and again we have seen the terrifying results of that. Another reason we need to get rid of political correctness is because it makes us blind to reason, makes us weak to such corrupting influence.
To return to the original subject, I still think that we need the truly moderate Muslims, the few vocal ones. And they need us. They need us to protect them and enable them to operate. And we need them to operate. They are the only hope we have of ever reforming Islam, however feeble that hope is. We also need them to educate us, to act as a counterbalance to those Islamists and apologists who spread lies to make us lower our guard (rather successfully, so far). I reckon when it comes to Islam, people are a bit more receptive when they hear the truth from a Muslim than if it came from a non-Muslim.
But you’re right about the fact that the reformation, if one were to come, won’t start over here. It will have to happen in the Islamic world. That’s why we need to also protect them in their home countries, hold Islamic countries responsible for all their breaches against human rights. I’m always deeply disgusted when Western countries turn a blind eye to the abuses against human rights in Islamic countries for the sake of maintaining economic and political ties.
The bottom line is, they are our allies. It would not only be inhumane of us to abandon them to our mutual enemies, it would also be foolish, because they are our allies in the battle of ideas.
davej says
The “moderates” residing in this country should be called the pioneers.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, dave, I don’t think there is any reason to believe that “moderates” are gaining any ascendancy here. Even in the US, over 50% of Muslims openly admit that they are for the imposition of Shari’ah law.
James Christopher says
How correct you are!
I wrote the president two days ago concerning this matter. Be very careful and vet any/all of these Muslims, making certain they have no terrorist ties and are, strictly, loyal to the preservation of Western, Judeo-Christian civilization.
Benefit of the doubt should never be granted! Double-check all their history. For, they have been religiously and politically granted permission to LIE! Taquiya!!
Herb says
The deafening silence by “moderate” Muslims, whenever Muslims commit atrocities, means there are no real moderates. FARCE.
Salome says
Indeed, the problem should have been expressed as ‘Muslim leaders have been gaining inroads into government circles’ or even ‘Muslims have been gaining inroads into government circles’.
Choi says
Somebody from the LEFTY Mainstream Protestant Churches must have Slipped this Imam into it,,putting everybody on a Day 2 Spot.
Pere LaChaise says
YOU HYPOCRITES!!!
The dolt YOU elected to “lead” this nation just listened to the imam elliptically curse Jews and Christians and the SHOOK HIS HAND and you blame the party who is out of power for it?
You are without hope, a blind mouth uttering meaningless gibberish amid a roomful of zombies.
gravenimage says
So far, this has been his only misstep–and was likely set up by someone without his knowledge. So far, I have been *very* heartened by Trump’s actions. I don’t think we can expect *anyone* to fix everything all at once.
carol says
Sometimes it’s best to walk around doggy-doo rather than through it.
patriotliz says
Even Sebastian Gorka says we are at war w/ Jihadists but not w/ Islam (he had blocked me on his twitter account, now I don’t think he even has a twitter account–used to be @SebGorka ) So-called reformers like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser (who also blocked me) and Asra Nomani (who hasn’t blocked me ….yet) do more harm then good by pretending that their heretical version of a civilized, Westernized version of Islam is possible. ISIS is the real “reformer” of Islam bringing it all back to its roots and are out to murder not only the infidels, as instructed by the Koran, but all unbelievers including heretical Muslim “reformers.” Muslims have been doing that since the pedophile Prophet invented Islam. I really can’t tell the difference between a benign heretical Muslim vs. a “Real” Muslim. That’s like figuring out which Klansman will kill blacks and which one won’t.
It’s the supremacist ideology, Stupid!
Angemon says
Is there something as a “right” kind?
rubiconcrest says
Yes there are. In a purely orthodox sense, probably no, because they would be apostates but the many who want nothing to do with political Islam,yes. They currently have no cover since the majority of Mosques in the country are run by the orthodox Muslims. We have to give the majority who want nothing to do with political Islam a way forward without calling them terrorists. They may be sheep but most of us are as well. No one has been speaking for them.
gravenimage says
rubiconcrest, with respect, what makes you think that the majority of Muslims “want nothing to do with political Islam”? “Political Islam” is part and parcel of orthodox Islam; there is no separation of mosque and state in that creed.
Veka Fitzfrancis says
I can personally attest to working with a Muslim woman that wants nothing to do with political Islam. She is a proud Somali American who came to the US in the early 90s as a child. She loves the US, the flag and the liberties she has in this land. She has also recently moved out of her parent’s neighborhood, because the imam has told his congregation that women who do not wear the headscarf deserve to be raped. She is adamant that the Burka is not part of Somali culture and moved out of her old neighborhood because she no longer felt safe surrounded by the new influx of Somalis. Does it tell anyone anything that she has moved into the predominately Jewish neighborhood?
Debi Brand says
Amen, g.i.
gravenimage says
That’s great, Veka. But I wonder how many are like her? From polls, not many.
And I wonder if even she would stand with us Infidels if Muslims tried to take over, or if she–regretfully, perhaps–wouldn’t just go along with her more orthodox coreligionists?
gravenimage says
Thanks, Debi. 🙂
Guest says
I searched “Prayer Service” + “verse 7” and other searches, and there seems no sign at all that the POTUS staff have caught on to the nasty facts of this verse. Trump is not being informed about this.
Salome says
If this multifaith nonsense must continue, then the next presidential prayer service should be conducted in a mosque, with Christian, Jewish, Hindu and other faith representatives all being able to get up and offer a prayer.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
The more I think about your statement, the better it sounds. That is a GREAT idea! What would happen after Jews and Christians said their own prayers inside a mosque? Clearly there would muslim outrage across the Muslim world. What a great way to show how intolerant they are of other religions. Let’s do it! Start a petition!
linnte says
I think it’s a great idea too! Maybe Mr. Spencer could lead the way or David Wood? I have no clue how to start a petition!
gravenimage says
All of this “interfaith” stuff goes one way. So far as I know, No Jew or Christian has ever spoken formally in a Mosque.
linnte says
Graven hello! How are you?
gravenimage says
Apart from dealing with the Jihad, Linnte, I am fine. Great to see you posting, and hope you are well!
linnte says
You’re on my prayer list. Your strength amazes me.
gravenimage says
🙂
Pere LaChaise says
“Not informed” is sure a blithe way of saying THEY DONT CARE A RATS ASS ABOUT THE PROBLEM. If this was Obama you’d all be blaming him in apoplectic rage. What a bunch of simps you all are.
gravenimage says
As I said, this has so far been Trump’s *only* slip that I know of.
carol says
I believe this is what praying Muslims around us repeat five times per day and yet many Westerners do not realize this “religion” is different.
carol says
Pere LaChaise shouts: THEY DONT CARE A RATS ASS ABOUT THE PROBLEM
It seems actions speak louder than smooth words and Pere has not yet read this article:
http://pamelageller.com/2017/01/president-trump-true-word.html/
vlparker says
“The wrong kind of Muslim leaders have been gaining inroads into government circles”
There are no right kind of muslim leaders.
Jaladhi says
There are no right kind or wrong kind of Muslims – they are all the same and will behave in the same wy sooner or later. A study of Muslim history of last 1400 years shows that no Muslims should have been admitted to the West or in any non-Muslim country. Even when you don’t allow them to come, they invade by any means and then they show their true colors once settled.
linnte says
So just HOW did this Imam get invited to “pray” at this service? Someone had to do the inviting, he just didn’t walk in of his own volition. I hear people saying he was there, but not How he got there. I’d like to know!
gravenimage says
I think this stupidity has been pretty common for the last few decades, Linnte, and that no one on the Trump team caught it. Probably whoever invited him had no idea that the line those “you are angry at and the ones who went astray” is a curse on Jews and Christians–especially since this was read in Arabic.
Imam Mohamed Magid is also involved with the Muslim supremacist and Shari’ah enabling ISNA (Islamic Society of North America)–and he did “interfaith” stuff with Obama for years.
Here’s some welcome pushback, though:
“Faith Leaders For America Denounce Imam Mohamed Magid; Call On President Trump To Designate Magid’s Terrorist Muslim Brotherhood”
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/01/21/faith-leaders-for-america-denounce-imam-mohamed-magid-call-on-president-trump-to-designate-magids-terrorist-muslim-brotherhood/
marina says
Islam cannot be reformed. If Islam needs reformation then the majority of the koranic verses has to go. The verses that remain will be meaningless. Plus Mo needs to be toppled from the pedestal. The so called good muslims are the ones who are humane enough to reject the violent verses or have little knowledge of the koran.
gravenimage says
“The wrong kind of Muslim leaders have been gaining inroads into government circles”
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It would be hard to imagine what the *right* kind of Muslims might be…
As for this appalling reading, cursing Jews and Christians is mainstream Islam.
I’m sorry that Trump and his people missed this–bu there is such infiltration of Muslims into our society at this point that I am not surprised. I just hope he learsn more about the threat of stealth Islam as he goes.
DFD says
Hi Graven,
Greetings and shame on you! 🙂 You said: “…“The wrong kind of Muslim leaders have been gaining inroads into government circles” … it would be hard to imagine what the *right* kind of Muslims might be…”
You took the wind out of my sails. I was going to post the same, nearly word for word, including the header quote. Oh well…
gravenimage says
So sorry, DFD! 🙂
mortimer says
Most Muslims in the USA do not think of themselves as supremacists. Part of bridge building is working with Muslims who are not supremacists.
This is prudent for a politician. However, Islamic theology is supremacist, even if non-supremacist Muslims want to deny that.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, more than half of Muslims in the United States say they want the imposition of Shari’ah law. That by its very definition is supremacist, I’m afraid.
George says
And the remaining half are liars.
gravenimage says
Probably largely the case. George.
yonason says
ANY mooslime “leader” is the wrong kind of leader. None of them are any good!
How do I know this? Because after the first “intifada” in Israel I started looking at mooslime websites. THEY ALL either had horrible jihadi violence on their web site, or links to sites that did. EVERY DAMNED ONE OF THEM!
So, whey don’t you see that now? Because after 9/11 the rats erased it, and began pretending to be nice. But they are NOT nice. They are all evil. Every effing one of them!!!
dumbledoresarmy says
At the time, did you keep records? Screen shots? Copypaste of articles? Copies of video? Even just written notes transcribing what was said on a range of those Muslim websites – and the names of the websites and of the persons or organisations running them. *Before* they did the ‘redecorations’ you say that they – or many of them – did.
It would be very useful if you have that info tucked away somewhere.
gravenimage says
Very true–Muslims only pretend to be nice to the Infidels, but so often reveal their real views and intentions when they believe the only audience is other Mohammedans.
Joel A Tompkins says
We need to get everyone of these people need to be removed from this country they will always pose a threat to our safety until they are gone.
Jean-Francois Morf says
Google: 669 million non-muslims massacred
Google: muhammad antichrist
Google, in picture: Allah Satan
AntiChrist was predicted in the new testament: false prophet of God, right prophet of Satan
What shall we do with a billion satanic peoples?
dumbledoresarmy says
John Quincy Adams, sixth President, knew *exactly* how nasty the Fatihat is.
He had really done his homework, because he refers to it at the end of his essays on the Russo-Turkish war, that were published in 1829, and he calls it ‘ferocious’ and explicitly contrasts it with the Lord’s Prayer.
In fact, in that group of essays, Adams begins and ends by contrasting Islam with Christianity. He opens with a discourse contrasting the founders – Jesus and Mohammed – and their core teachings, and then at the very end (after lots of politics and history with interspersed commentary) he comes right back to that contrast, by contrasting the aggression of the Fatihat, with the tone of the Lord’s Prayer.
“..We fervently hope that he [the Tsar] will compare the prayer dictated by our Lord and Master, which he, like every christian of every denomination, has been taught from infancy daily to repeat, with the ferocious Fatihat of the Koran; for the whole essence of the two religions is in those two prayers…”
You can read all the JQA essays in digitised form here:
Blunt, Joseph (1830), The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9 (New York: E. & G.W. Blunt), 29:267-402, [On-line], URL: http://www.archive.org/stream/p1americanannual29blunuoft.
carol says
Excellent! It seems we have more than Thomas Jefferson to go on.
Florida Jim says
Step by step muslims enter a country by any means possible and at once begin the long, slow march to domination. Bridgeview Illinois, Hamtramck, Michigan “Becomes First American City with Muslim Majority on City Council. Sharia Law Begins in America. First thing council does is implement a religious law.”
It is happening all over America, Canada and Europe the snake of Islam strikes you and slowly begins swallowing the victim bite by bite. It is true to stop it deport all muslims at once.It is happening at every miosque built as every Imam silently promotes the Caliphate, Sharia, Jihad and Taqiyya to cover the lies.
You can’t be a muslim and not follow these rules they excommunicate you by beheading.
ploome says
there is no ‘right kind’ of muslim leaders
islam is a vile subversive violent cult and should not be allowed
sharia is the cornerstone of islam, and any muslim who rejects sharia is no longer a muslim
all muslims should be denied entry to USA
Ken says
America has cancer and it’s called Islam. It’s going to take a Doctor with eyes like a flame of fire, hair like wool a robe dipped in blood and on His thigh written King of Kings and Lord of Lords to tread these anti-christ cancers in the winepress of the wrath of God.
The God of the Quran is not the God of the Bible. The only way to reform Islam is to get rid of Muhammad and the Quran……but then what’s the point.