Says the Toronto Star:
U.S. President Donald Trump’s new executive order has created mass confusion around the world.
Trump’s “America first” policy is a decisive rejection of the mess that Angela Merkel and other European leaders have created in Europe. But the same cannot be said for Canada. Trudeau’s reaction:
On Twitter, Trudeau posted photos of himself greeting Syrian refugees, adding the words “#WelcomeToCanada.”
“To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada,”
Trump’s order also applies to Britain. While it led to uproar from British MP’s, Prime Minister Theresa May surprisingly commented: “The United States is responsible for the United States’s policy on refugees.” In fact, she “refused twice to publicly condemn Mr Trump’s ban on refugees from those seven countries earlier in the day during a press conference in Turkey.”
Although May has expressed open support for Sharia courts in Britain despite their shocking abuses, she has also made it clear that she is reserved on flinging open the doors of the UK completely. Some of her stated views:
She warned that “millions” of people wanted to migrate to the UK.
She said Britain should focus on aid rather than helping refugees who had travelled to Europe.
She argued that immigrants could make society less “cohesive”.
She blamed immigrants for pressures on public services.
She blamed unemployment, the housing crisis, and underinvestment in schools on immigration.
She claimed EU immigration was “unbalanced” and “unsustainable” – and that the rules had to change.
She suggested asylum seekers should not even be allowed into Britain before their claims were assessed.
“Trump bans Canadian dual citizens from 7 Muslim-majority countries from U.S.”, Toronto Star, by Daniel Dale, January 28, 2017:
WASHINGTON—Canadian citizens who are also citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries have been banned from entering the United States by President Donald Trump in a massive break from the traditional free flow of travellers between citizens of the two countries.
The countries targeted by Trump’s 90-day ban are Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Tens of thousands of Canadians have dual citizenship in one of them.
Trump’s Friday order even bars entry to the U.S. by permanent residents with “green cards” who are also citizens of one of the countries. That means, for example, that an Iranian-Canadian green card holder who makes her home in Chicago cannot come to Canada to visit her parents and then cross back over the U.S. border.
The order has created mass confusion around the world as governments, businesses and ordinary people attempted to decipher just what Trump meant. It is still not exactly clear. After the Homeland Security Department said green card holders would be banned, a Trump official told U.S. outlets that they could be approved on a “case-by-case basis” and would have to check in with a government official before leaving each time.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his ministers had not commented directly on the order as of Saturday at 5 p.m. On Twitter, Trudeau posted photos of himself greeting Syrian refugees, adding the words “#WelcomeToCanada.”
“To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada,” Trudeau wrote.
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3:20 PM – 28 Jan 2017The order has resulted in travellers with visas to enter America being turned away from their flights and detained at U.S. airports upon landing. One of the people detained, according to multiple U.S. news reports, worked as an interpreter for the U.S. military in Iraq.
Air Canada, WestJet and Porter Airlines are no longer letting people carrying passports from the seven countries board flights to the U.S. All three are waiving their cancellation fees.
The order is a modified version of the “total” ban on Muslim entry that Trump proposed during his campaign. It was greeted with dismay, horror and panic by Canadians from the affected countries…..
“British passport holders in US entry battle as Donald Trump bans travellers from seven Muslim countries and court rules those who arrived with visas can stay”, by Ben Riley-Smith, UK Telegraph, January 28, 2017:
British citizens travelling to America on UK passports will be blocked from entering if they have dual-citizenship with countries targeted in Donald Trump’s refugees banned.
The US State Department said that Britons with dual nationality with the countries Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen will be stopped at the American border for the next 90 days.
The revelation, which broke late on Saturday night, sent Downing Street scrambling for a response and has triggered uproar from MPs.Politicians said tens of thousands of Britons could be caught up in the border chaos as Mr Trump’s new immigration rules impact on holidays and business trips.
It was unclear last night whether Theresa May was aware the rules change was going to affect Britons despite spending hours meeting Mr Trump and his top staff in the White House on Friday.
The US State Department said: “Travelers who have nationality or dual nationality of one of these countries will not be permitted for 90 days to enter the United States or be issued an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa.
“Those nationals or dual nationals holding valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visas will not be permitted to enter the United States during this period. Visa interviews will generally not be scheduled for nationals of these countries during this period.”
Mrs. May had refused twice to publicly condemn Mr Trump’s ban on refugees from those seven countries earlier in the day during a press conference in Turkey….

vladkoval says
Very good!
Muslim countries do not demand giving up their citizenships from those who get foreign (western) citizenships. If you are a muslim from, say, Egypt, and you become Canadian citizen, and you give up Egyptian citizenship – you will lose all property rights in Egypt. (No foreigner can posses anything in muslim countries).
That’s what they are afraid – to give up theit citizenships.
Good for Trump!
Paulina says
Exactly. Indonesia is not allowing dual citizenship for its citizens. Hence, Indonesians who become US citizen have to give up their citizenships and lose all property rights (estate, land, etc).
t. says
This ban by president Trump is based on nationality, not religion. What will happen to those from these banned countries but they’re Christians? If Christians are included in the ban then it means Trump’s policy will inadvertently victimize those Christians for a second time!
Can anyone shed more light on this point?
vladkoval says
Don’t worry. All citizens of muslims countries have documents where their religion is indicated, starting from birth certificate to travellers’ passport. (muslim or masihi (which means Christian). Unlike of the West, religion is not your personal affair – in Dar-Al-Islam it is public affair.
Thus, if you aply for visa in US Embassy, they know your religion from your papers.
Angemon says
“ If Christians are included in the ban then it means Trump’s policy will inadvertently victimize those Christians for a second time!”
How, exactly?
t. says
Thanks, vladkoval.
Angemon, it should be obvious to as an intelligent person as you are!
Angemon says
t. posted:
“Angemon, it should be obvious to as an intelligent person as you are!”
Humour me. Or at least try to shape your non-response in a way that doesn’t shout “I can’t answer because I have nothing”.
vladkoval says
I need to add.
If you became a US citizen (or any other citizen) and dropped your muslim Citizenship, and then your parents died, you are not allowed to inherit their property, even if you are a muslim. If there is no other inheritors, the property will just go to the Ministry of Waqf.
You see how it works?
And again – Long Live Trump!
Angemon says
That’s Canada’s problem, not America’s.
They’re Britain’s problem, not the US’s.
Angemon says
Well, at least until they drop their other citizenships
Christianblood says
Angemon posted
(..Well, at least until they drop their other citizenships..)
No. At least until they drop islam!
Angemon says
“No. At least until they drop islam!”
Huh, you realize that the ban is based on nationality and not religion, right?
Christianblood says
Angemon posted
(..you realize that the ban is based on nationality and not religion, right?..)
Nationality? Are u kidding me?
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Nationality? Are u kidding me?”
Are you not aware of the subject you’re commenting on? From this very article:
Yes, the ban is based on nationality, not religion. If an Iranian-Canadian muslim dropped his Iranian citizenship but kept his religion, the ban would no longer apply to him. A British muslim is no affected by the ban. Seriously, would it kill you to know the bare bones of what you’re trying to opine on? Do you seriously not realize how ignorant you come across?
Angemon says
P.S.:
“Nationality? Are u kidding me?”
Yes, nationality, and you should know this very well, seeing how you went around saying which *countries*you think should be added to the ban list. Do you have split personality or something?
vladkoval says
Christianblood posted:
(..you realize that the ban is based on nationality and not religion, right?..)
Nationality? Are u kidding me?
CB, you got caught that you are a Russian troll!)))
Only in Russian language the word “nationality” (natsionalnost) means “ethnicity”
That’s why you didn’t get what Angemon said! You must be fired from Olgino!
Angemon says
“Only in Russian language the word “nationality” (natsionalnost) means “ethnicity””
Ah, that explains his weird outburst.
gravenimage says
Of course, it is not an accident that Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen are all Muslim countries.
vladkoval says
They will not. See my post above))
vladkoval says
“Well, at least until they drop their other citizenships”
Moreover.
According to their laws, if a muslim citizen left Islam, he will face problems.
But once he left the citizenship, he can do whatever he wants, and becomes a kafir by default. (even if he is still a muslim).
Conclusion: Muslim Citizenship is equal to Religion!
That’s why they never drop their muslim citizenships.
Angemon says
“That’s why they never drop their muslim citizenships.”
I see your point, and agree with it, but where I was getting at is that there’s always the possibility that they’ll do it on an extreme case. Like, for example, a jihadi with a mission, trying to get to US soil to blow themselves up.
Carolyne says
I do not think the US should allow those who become American citizens to hold dual citizenship. It’s like having two wives. Oops! Bad example.
I read that Dr. Mehmet. OZ left the US to serve two years in the Turkish military so that he wouldn’t lose his Turkish citizenship. The law used to forbid American citizens from serving in a foreign military. I guess that’s changed, too.
vladkoval says
“so that he wouldn’t lose his Turkish citizenship”
You confused losing citizenship with blocking his turkish traveller’s passport. Skipping military in Turkey is a crime, resulting in inprisonment. Thus, he left for Turkey just to serve in the military and avoid negative consequences of skipping it. That’s all.
Christianblood says
May God Exceedingly Bless President! He is the servant of the Truth!
Christianblood says
President Donal J Trump.
abad says
Think I’ll nickname President Donald Trump, Tornado Donald since he moves unbelievably fast. This is one President who has been working his tail off since Day One.
Christianblood says
You are right Abad. Trump is not only a US tornado, he is a global Tornado for common sense and for the Truth!
vladkoval says
I wonder, what you will post when Putin finally declares Trump to be Russia’s Enemy Number 1?
Christianblood says
vladkoval
I love Trump because he is a man of common sense who is totally free from the shit of ‘political-correctness’.
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“I love Trump because he is a man of common sense who is totally free from the shit of ‘political-correctness’.”
Indeed. Compare Trump’s “We must take on the ideology of radical Islam” with, for example, Putin’s “I would prefer Islam not to be mentioned in vain alongside terrorism”.
Adrian says
Christianblood and his bosses at Savushkina Street will have a major meltdown when Daddy inevitably throws Putin under the bus… time for the coloring books and Play-Do for Christianblood then
Carolyne says
Your point is, vladkovel?
vladkoval says
Christianblood posted:
“I love Trump because he is a man of common sense who is totally free from the shit of ‘political-correctness’.”
OK. But what about Kadyrov? Does he know you are here bashing Islam? He will be angry at you
gravenimage says
True–Russia has insanely allowed Shari’ah law to be imposed in Chechnya. Not a good move.
Angemon says
XD
Eovar says
Being from continental Europe, I’m almost jealous what seems to be possible in the US. In the countries where I live and work, I am still bound and restricted to one nationality only. Simultaneously, muslims get to keep their double nationality and passports. I’m harassed and discriminated because of my sexuality and political beliefs while the very people who wish me dead get their houses of prayer paid with my tax money. It’s a world upside down and I wish for the entire world population to wake up and stand up against what is a GLOBAL islam menace. It doesn’t matter what creed, race or culture. Anything that isn’t islam, islam wants to destroy and the political correct crowds in the west help them reach their destructive goal.
Westman says
It’s amusing to hear that British MP’s are in an uproar. They certainly didn’t have any problem banning the travel of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and other Americans who posed no undermining of the UK’s limited democracy.
Hypocrites.
Christianblood says
Westman
The Brits are very stupid for banning Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and Geert Wilders! They should be made to pay the price of that stupidity!
Kay says
Ignorance has a cost. They may be paying already.
Angemon says
“The Brits are very stupid for banning Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and Geert Wilders! They should be made to pay the price of that stupidity!”
Really? The Brits as a whole should “be made to pay”? Tell me one thing: was, for example, Tommy Robinson, behind the ban of Robert, Pamela or Geert? Should he “be made to pay”? And how do you propose the Brits “be made to pay”?
Carolyne says
I think they are already paying the price when military men and old ladies are beheaded by their pet barbarians, one of them in the middle of a London street.
Kay says
How is it that people have dual citizenship?
I thought that when they reached adulthood, people had to choose one or the other country to be loyal to.
gravenimage says
Britain allowed dual citizenship early on largely so that Britons abroad could participate fully in the countries where they resided while still retaining British citizenship. But now this is often used by Muslims to keep one foot in Dar-al-Islam.
Dan says
As a Canadian, all I have to say is GOOD!
If we can’t sort wheat from the riff raff chaff, why should the U.S. be expected to clean up our mess?
The only way to learn something is to LISTEN to people who’ve learned from personal experience, or to learn from personal experience.
And the latter tends to require experiencing pain.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Dan.
Shmooviyet says
Spot-ON, on listening to learn, and pain in experience.
How tragic that so many find ‘listening and learning’ to be the painful part.
OTOH, like your “riff raff chaff”– rather musical! ?
overman says
Today in Britanistan,100,000+ signed a petition to keep Trump from making a state visit to the UK – now it has to be debated in parliament. Probably, 90% of those who signed were moslims and 10% lefty morons..
“More than 100,000 people have signed a petition to stop Donald Trump making a state visit to UK
Organisers say it would be embarrassing for the Queen to meet the new president”
Truth says
Canada and the UK better wake up about what the Koran says , or their countries will sink.
billybob says
Why target dual citizens from Canada and the UK? Are there not potentially many more from European countries? Is this a message to Canada and the UK, because they were among to first to react to Trump’s new immigration policies? I hope so.
Dov Berrol says
Because a Lebanese Canadian Muslim with dual Canadian and Lebanese citizenship who supports Hizballah could travel to New York and drive a truck into crowds in Manhattan, that’s why. This regulation makes it more difficult for him to enter the USA.
billybob says
Makes sense.
Carolyne says
Brits and Canadians aren’t targeted. Only those of dual nationality who happen to have one nationality from a prohibited country will be affected. We do not consider them to even be British or Canadian, but a wolf in sheep’s clothing. One cannot serve two masters.
Dual citizenship should not be allowed.
Zammana says
Well, you know that after we build the wall on our southern border what’s going to have to come next…
Dov Berrol says
Yup. The wall between Canada and the USA will be very expensive: it will have to be 4,000 miles long!
Eric Jones says
First the US State Dept. is not a visa processing agency. The safety of Americans come i. From this moment on the USA should ban dual citizenship. Be loyal to this country only. The USA has every right to control its borders. If we choose not to let anyone in so be it.
Eric
Carolyne says
So far as I know, there has not been an influx of illegal aliens from Canada. The problem is those arriving from the proscribed countries by air and those claiming refugee status. In the case of our southern border, and the reason we need a wall is the hordes of Latin Americans illegally entering from the south.