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Australia: Muslim leader admits that Qur’an allows for wife-beating

Feb 23, 2017 10:02 am By Robert Spencer

Why would anyone expect him to say anything different? The mandate to beat one’s wife is in the Qur’an:

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34

Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” — Aisha (Sahih Muslim 2127)

“Keysar Trad: ‘violence is a last resort,’” by Stefanie Balogh and Sam Buckingham-Jones, The Australian, February 23, 2017:

A prominent Muslim leader has apologised for statements conceding his religion allows for a husband to beat his wife as a “last resort”, saying he was “clumsy” in a television interview.

Keysar Trad, the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, said the verse in the Koran that condones domestic violence “plays on the psychology of the man”, who would never resort to a physical beating because gifts like flowers, chocolates or a dinner date would come first.

“I’ve studied that verse in depth and I’ve discussed it with a number of Islamic scholars,” Mr Trad told Sky News’s Andrew Bolt last night.

“What this verse is saying is playing on the psychology of the man saying ‘violence is a last resort’. The first thing you must do is counselling.”

He said while part of the phrase is often translated as “admonish”, the Arabic word is closer to “give advice” or “engage in counselling”.

“What it does is a calming effect before you even consider using your hand, before you even consider any act of violence. Have you checked box number one, which is counselling? Have you checked box two? What does counselling entail?” he said.

“Well, maybe next time you should bring her a bunch of flowers, maybe next time you should bring her a box of chocolates, maybe next time you should take her out for dinner.”

This afternoon, Mr Trad released a statement categorically condemning all violence against women.

“Acknowledging my clumsy attempt to explain a verse from the holy Qur’an, I want to categorically condemn all forms of violence, especially violence against women, I condemn and deplore it and stress my continued zeal to support women against violence,” Mr Trad said.

“I sincerely apologise if my attempt to explain the verse is understood any differently, the Qur’an is a holy book that aims to improve human relations as well as spiritual relations, the verses of the Qur’an must be read alongside other verses and Hadiths that deal with the particular topic.

“For example, the Qur’an encourages partners to live amicably (with love and compassion) or separate beautifully (2:229).” Said Mr. Trad.

“Our beloved prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him said: “The most perfect believer is one who is the best in courtesy and amiable manners, and the best among you people is one who is most kind and courteous to his wife”.”

‘Where are the feminists?’

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has questioned the absence of feminist outrage in relation to Mr Trad’s incendiary comments, accusing them of hypocrisy and describing the Muslim leader as “mad’’.

Mr Dutton described Mr Trad’s views as dangerous and said he should be roundly condemned.

“Where are the feminists? Where is the ABC on this Ray?’’ Mr Dutton said to Ray Hadley on 2GB.

“I suspect they will have nothing to say about it because they’re hypocrites.’’…

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  1. Moses says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 10:08 am

    At least he’s honest about it.

    • Guest says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:41 pm

      Exactly, this is just what the west needs: the truth about islam.

  2. John Hawk says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 10:13 am

    Wow. Keysar Trad does a great Islamic shuffle. Is he a dance instructor when he’s not a Muslim “scholar?”

  3. no_one says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 10:25 am

    I have a friend from Turkey who is a practicing muslim. He doesn’t beat his wife, but often makes decisions “because my wife wants so”. She wears hijab and I have seen him fasting for Ramazan (tried not to eat in front of him). Even in 1999 a US university had a prayer room for Muslim people, I helped him get a job interview once and he returned the same favor when I needed it. So, some are peaceful.

    • no_one says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 10:30 am

      Have to add they my friend has no issue going to dinner with a bunch of Christians and atheist and saying “next time we go to my place”. This time his wife was out of town and he can’t cook.

    • ChzzMokee says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      How does one tell the ‘peaceful’ ones from the ‘non-peaceful ones?’

      • no_one says

        Feb 23, 2017 at 6:32 pm

        This guy respects his wife. He says his middle initial stands for his wife’s name. He is just like everybody else, just fast Ramadan month.

      • Tessa says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 10:59 pm

        There is no difference “they all read from the same book” the Koran

    • C T says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:32 pm

      If they decide not to call their wife’s behavior to them “arrogant,” then they are not under the Quranic injunction to beat their wife. So, yes, they can be peaceful, but it’s their choice to be so and if they chose otherwise, the Quran would support them in that, too. That’s why Quran 4:34 is so problematic to those who think women are people, too.

      • no_one says

        Feb 23, 2017 at 5:49 pm

        When my friend is asked what his middle initial stays for, he answers “For the name of my wife”.

    • maghan says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 8:09 pm

      Fool, the issue has nothing to do with whether Muslim X or Y is a “nice ” guy. The intelligent approach to Islam is to READ and STUDY its doctrinal texts. Read the Qur’an, Hadith(mainly Bukhari and Muslim), and Sira.

      Does the Qur’an advocate wife beating? Yes, it does. Does the Qur’an state that females are BIOLOGICALLY inferior to males? Yes, it does.

      • Carolyne says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 9:24 am

        While I in no way equate Islam to Christianity, remember there are verses in the bible which are also misogynistic: “Women, be silent in church.” And “The husband is head of the wife just as Christ is head of the church.” There are certainly no instructions to resort to physical violence, but all religious books are misogynistic. They were written by men.

  4. Diane Harvey says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 11:03 am

    “The first thing you must do is counselling.”

    The Mafia has a term of its version of “counselling.” It was called tuning a guy up.

    • Guest says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:35 pm

      Also this assumption that men are automatically smarter just because they are stronger, and thus the wife should obey. Nothing about partners making decisions together, each contributing their own wisdom and ideas.

      • Carolyne says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 9:26 am

        That is because in Islam, women are not smarter. They are on a par with animals and as such, it takes two of them to equal a man in various activities, i.e. testifying in court. I must say I have seen no great wisdom from Muslim men. Quite the opposite.

  5. marina says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 11:28 am

    Koran says “But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance advise them; forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them.”

    Beating is sanctioned in the Koran. Chocolate and flowers. What a pathetic apology!!

    • maghan says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 8:14 pm

      Yes, what the heck did that violent illiterate Muhammad know about chocolate and flowers? He did admit however that the 2 things he liked most in life were women–and very young girls too–and perfume.

      Despite women being inferior and subject to beatings, Muhammad still had a passion for them.

    • Pottering says

      Apr 14, 2017 at 6:13 am

      There’s nothing in the Koran which suggests there is 3 stage approach for a husband to take, it reads as do all three, not first this, then that. That claim is simply trying to weasel out what it clearly says.

  6. Catherine says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 11:42 am

    Backing & filling, backing & filling, to cover up the thing he first said.
    Or is this the kind of lying it’s OK to do with “infidels”?
    Yes, I’ve heard attempts to compare violence prescribed in the Qu’ran with practices of the ancient Israelites described in the Bible. But who actually believes this is appropriate for today, rather than an account of ancient history?

    • Carolyne says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 9:28 am

      The instruction for women to be silent in church is in the New Testament. St. Paul said it in one of his epistles.

  7. Mirren10 says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    “What it does is a calming effect before you even consider using your hand, before you even consider any act of violence. Have you checked box number one, which is counselling? Have you checked box two? What does counselling entail?” he said.

    “Well, maybe next time you should bring her a bunch of flowers, maybe next time you should bring her a box of chocolates, maybe next time you should take her out for dinner.”

    This sort of ridiculous and pathetic tap dancing in an attempt to whitewash the mysogyny of the koran (and muslims) can be quite amusing, if it wasn’t for the fact that so many mohammedans *do* beat their wives.

    It reminds me of Robert’s debate with the idiot below. Hilarious, and very telling.

  8. mortimer says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    The words “last resort” are not in the Koran. No Muslims may be asked why he beats his wife. The ‘last resort’ is death, since wives are the absolute property of their huasbands in this Death Cult.

  9. Angemon says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    “What this verse is saying is playing on the psychology of the man saying ‘violence is a last resort’.

    Last resort when it comes to self-defence in a civilized society. Yeah, drop the “psychology of man” nonsense – some societies/cultures value violence while others do their best to avoid it. If it were really a matter of “psychology of man” then all cultures/societies would act in the same way. Which they don’t – like islamic culture, for example. Anyway, I’m getting sidetracked – violence is the last resort of self-defence, not discussions, marital or not. Assaulting someone someone, whether it’s your wife or a random stranger on the street, just because you don’t like what they say or you’re not getting what you want is an act punishable by law.

    • Angemon says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      What it does is a calming effect before you even consider using your hand

      “Consider using your hand”? Mate, men who “consider using their hand” to have their way with their wives – or someone else, for that matter – are universally despised in Western societies. Go on, ask around – go to the street and start asking non-muslims if it’s ok to “use your hand” to solve “issues” with your wife and see what looks you get.

      • Salome says

        Feb 23, 2017 at 2:43 pm

        If the man is angry because wife has a ‘headache’, then I think he can find good use for his hand if he’s really so desperate. Just not the way Mr Trad is suggesting.

        • Guest says

          Feb 23, 2017 at 4:37 pm

          🙂

      • Carolyne says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 9:38 am

        I like the part about sending them away from your bed. It would be a reward not to have to get in bed with an old Muslim man who smells like a goat.

  10. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34

    Who wrote this crap? This prose would never pass muster in an expository writing class, even in a class for children under age 12. Allah has made the one *what* superior to the other *what*? Who spends whose wealth to maintain whom? “[Good women] guard their [own?] unseen parts because Allah has guarded them.” Allah has guarded *what*? The good women? Or the unseen parts of good women? In what way has Allah guarded these women or their unseen parts? Are the unseen parts of bad women left unguarded? And what *are* these unseen parts? Spleens? Sinuses? What has Allah guarded them from? From disease? From jinns? “As for those from whom you fear disobedience”: Who is “you” here? How is the reader supposed to know who is being spoken to by the speaker (presumably Allah)? It might be argued that this prose is a mistranslation of the original perfectly clear classical Arabic, but surely the omniscient Allah knew this wording would be translated into various languages, and could have written it to be translation-proof.

  11. mortimer says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    IDOLATRY OF MOHAMMED means that whatever Mohammed does from GENOCIDE, to RAPE, to BEHEADING PRISONERS OF WAR is just PERFECT.

    The Australian Immigration Minister Peter Dutton seems the only person left who isn’t CRAZY.

    Dutton’s question about the absence of feminist outrage in relation to Mr Trad’s incendiary comments, accusing them of hypocrisy is totally sensible. Why has no other politician talked like him before?

    Why do the ABC not realize the Muslim leader is “mad’’? ABC doesn’t get it. They are AUSTRALIAN, not KISS MY SHARIA Broadcasting.

    • JMB says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:35 pm

      Yes Mortimer,
      IDOLATRY OF MOHAMMED is a very interesting way of looking at all of this, I don’t think I have eve heard this term before.

      Kaiser Trad is the face of “moderate Islam” (repeat, MODERATE) here in Australia and as far as the media is concerned he is the media spokesman and PR Front Man for Islam in this country.

      Note, the ABC is the government owned public broadcaster, it tends to be very politically correct.

      Now this is my observation, I feel that there is a huge undercurrent of anti-Islamic feeling here in Australia and this feeling is getting stronger all the time. The major political parties are very concerned as they see votes going to the openly anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim parties such as One Nation and the way our political system operates these smaller parties often hold the balance of power in our parliament.

    • Guest says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm

      Yes, fantastic that the *immigration minister* is criticising feminists in this case. Where else in the western world do immigration ministers still care about their country’s values?

  12. davej says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    Muslims can unilaterally divorce their wives just by saying so, they can take “temporary wives”, all wives must never refuse sex, they can strike or KILL their wives and their daughters if they feel dishonored, so yeah it’s a feminist dream.

    • JMB says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm

      But perhaps this is why Islam, often described as a religion created for desert dwellers, is so popular among its followers in a society that has always been so fundamentally different to ours.

  13. shoehorn says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    Look at Andrew Bolt’s reaction, especially from 52 secs, as Trad talks taquiyya bull.

  14. Guest says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    LOL, check out this bunch of apostates, basically denying sura 4:34: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/02/24/keysar-trad-apologises-clumsy-domestic-violence-comments

    Why don’t they find a nicer religion, in which wife beating really isn’t promoted?

    • Guest says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 4:51 pm

      SBS was too stupid to show sura 4:34, so that people can simply make their own minds up about this ideology. Daily Mail did a better job: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4248716/Muslim-leader-Keysar-Trad-says-wife-beating-resort.html

  15. simpleton1 says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    Interesting Trad had to lie in an interview and says Mohammad never hit a woman.
    Plus these disgusting incidents.

    Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2127
    He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain , and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it.

    Mohammad listens to Umar tell him about slapping the daughter of Khadija –Khadija was Mohammad’s first wife who died so the daughter was his step daughter (Sahih Muslim 3506)

    Mohammad watches Abu Bakr slapping Aisha -one of Mohammad’s own wives (Sahih Muslim 3506)

    Mohammad watches Abu Bakr slapping Hafsa- one of Mohammad’s own wives (Sahih Muslim 3506)

    Ali violently beats a slave girl in front of Mohammad (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq 496)

    • Gwen says

      Feb 23, 2017 at 9:00 pm

      Thank you for the information. What a repulsive, degenerate religion.

      Is this the only senior government minister in a Western country who has been this publicly strong and clear in not tolerating and denouncing a specific part of Islam? I mean how wonderful for Australians!

  16. simpleton1 says

    Feb 23, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    Keysar Trad forgot one of the other options he believes should happen.
    That is polygamy.

    • simpleton1 says

      Feb 25, 2017 at 12:14 am

      In 2010, Trad advocated Shari’ah courts for Muslims to deal with matters relating to divorce and inheritance.
      He has also supported polygamy as an alternative to extramarital relations.
      In September 2016 Trad said he wanted a second wife, with his current wife of 30 years being supportive

      From wikipedia

      His wife seems to be a very devout and obedient muslim

  17. RichardL says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 8:49 am

    I must say, I liked this conversation. Ozzies are great debaters. The interviewer is clearly unhappy about that bit of islam, but he still calls the guy ‘mate’. And Trad is clearly embarrassed. That is much better than what Hannity does.

  18. Tessa says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    This Muslim has two wives in Australia and probably three and he is paid lots of money from we tax payers. He runs a Muslim school for girls in Brisbane and some grave fears about this school have recently surfaced in our media. He has purchased several houses when most of us cannot afford one house to live in.

    His first wife is famous for telling the world that she had to beg her husband Keysar Trad to take a second wife. So they all live in these houses Thanks to the working person in Australia.

    More Power to Pauline Hanson. If our leaders knew that we are moving away from the two parties, it is because of the Islamic takeover.

    I have been a victim of these terrorists. I had my own personal Islamic terrorist.who bashed and robbed me for four years. He took everything I ever had.and was reduced to the pauper I am today and simply because I was deemed a racist wherever I went for help. Thanks Australia. Hope you learn better than that.

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