“We are 15 years in to what is going to be a multigenerational war, because we are talking about defeating an idea” of jihadism, stated retired Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Waltz during a February 24 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) panel. The former Green Beret and his fellow panelists discussing “When Did World War III Start?” brought stimulating center-stage discussions of Islamic jihad threats to CPAC, where they had often suffered neglect before.
Waltz was one participant in CPAC panels concerning America’s domestic and foreign security challenges on successive days in the ballroom of National Harbor’s Gaylord National Resort & Convention Center near Washington, DC. New Zealand conservative author and filmmaker Trevor Loudon initiated the February 23 panel by noting the “red-green” confluence of seventh-century Islam and twentieth-century Marxism. “World War III started about 1,400 years ago and it got a big boost in 1917 with the Bolshevik Revolution and those two streams, Islam and the Bolsheviks, have never parted company.” Today “you have got the Muslim Brotherhood operating in this country; you have got the radical left, Communist groups.”
Loudon’s fellow panelist, Center for Security Policy Vice President for Research and Analysis Clare Lopez, delineated these Islamic threats. “We are not fighting terrorism. We are fighting the forces of Islamic jihad and sharia to live free.” While terrorist attacks globally are increasing, the “main line of effort here in the United States is the civilization jihad, for which the Muslim Brotherhood [MB] is the vanguard.”
Lopez elaborated upon sharia subversion “taking aim at the pillars of our society,” such as in the American judiciary and with current Canadian legislation condemning and perhaps even criminalizing “Islamophobia.” She similarly warned about how “our government and national security which have been so deeply penetrated by the Muslim Brotherhood,” such as with law enforcement training by Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated groups. In American religious institutions such as churches, there is also “interfaith dialogue, where the bridge only goes one way: towards Islam.”
Lopez described this “civilization jihad” in terms of an insurgency. Thus an “insurgency is won or lost at the local level, and so will be this one.” Accordingly, she exhorted that an “informed, engaged and patriotic citizenry, like all of us here today, is the very best defense to keep America as great as the Founding Fathers ever envisioned it to be.”
Taking the CPAC center stage with Waltz the day after Lopez’s presentation, American Forum for Islam and Democracy President Zuhdi Jasser echoed her ideological concerns. “We see the invocation of blasphemy laws through using the term ‘Islamophobia,’” a term with totalitarian origins often used to silence any criticism, including that of self-professed Muslims like Jasser, of Islamic doctrine. “Don’t use the term ‘Islamophobia,’ because they are trying to shut us all up from criticizing Islamic State ideology.” (Perhaps another CPAC panelist from later that day, The Hill editor Nicholas Hahn, should have considered such censorship concerns, given The Hill’s deletion under criticism of an article by Jihad Watch’s Robert Spencer.)
Like Lopez, Jasser emphasized the broad-based nature of threats anchored in Islamic doctrine, such as the Islamic State (in Iraq and — Greater — Syria, or ISIS). “We could get rid of ISIS tomorrow or next year, and then in a couple of years there will be another radical Islamic group,” he warned. Citing Saudi Arabia’s Islamic kingdom or Iran and Pakistan’s Islamic Republics, he noted that ISIS is “this monster that got created from their ideas.”
Jasser therefore sounded a call for a battle of ideas and advocated an ideological policy shift from “this nebulous, blasé ‘Countering Violent Extremism’ to ‘Countering Violent Islamism.’” Like Loudon, Jasser noted that Islamist groups are “parties that embrace the collectivism of Islam as a faith.” Therefore, there is a “bargain between the Left and Islam; it’s because they are both collectivists.”
Ideology also played a prominent role in the thinking of Jasser’s fellow panelist, Sebastian Gorka, President Donald Trump’s deputy assistant. “The definition for victory for us is a very simple one,” he declared. “We are going to make the black flag of jihad as repugnant around the world…as the black, white, and red swastika flag of the Third Reich. The brand of jihad has to be destroyed.”
In this ideological warfare against jihad, Jasser reprised his description of what he has previously termed an Islamic civil war. This son of Syrian-American refugees judged that “there are Muslims across the world that share our values, are against dictatorship, be it the secular military fascists and the monarchs, or the Islamist theocrats” in the Middle East. Therefore “we need to start taking sides within in the House of Islam, with the Green Revolution in Iran, with the secularists that are fighting for freedom against both the Assadists and the ISIS Islamists.”
Yet the sobering failures in America of the Muslim Reform Movement led by Jasser belie his exceedingly rosy assessment of the 2011 “Arab Spring” or, more accurately, “Islamist Winter.” Contrary to this bitter experience, he concluded that the “Arab Awakening proved that these populations are ready for a revolution, for a grassroots movement against the establishment across the Middle East.” Astonishing also are Waltz’s echoes of President George W. Bush’s Middle Eastern “freedom agenda” and current National Security Advisor Lieutenant-General H. R. McMaster, who has called jihadist terrorists “un-Islamic.” Recalling Afghans who fought against the Taliban, Waltz stated that “they want a better future for their children. They want the ability to have free markets to make a living.” This contrasts with a supposed “bastardization of what is otherwise a peaceful religion” in Islam.
Irrespective of strategy debates over defeating jihad, Waltz struck a more realistic note when discussing the longterm nature of fighting against a faith-based ideology. As an Afghan tribal elder explained to Waltz:
Until you are prepared to commit your grandchildren, not your children, but your grandchildren, to stand shoulder to shoulder with my grandchildren and fight Islamic extremism, then you will never be successful here.
Mac-101 says
Great. True Patriots. Speaking Truth to power.
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We face the Elites attempting to establish a 21st century Totalitarian System on the world that would make Orwell shake his head in disbelieve and Islam will be it’s ruthless enforcement tool!
kessler says
Patriots indeed. And while it’s great to see such a discussion after 8 years of Obama, it’s madly frustrating that they don’t get to the core of the problem; unlike nazism, fascism, communism, Jihadism is rooted in religious theology. It is more than just “a bad idea”.
The war is not 15 years – it is 1400 years. The Jihadists are working towards the same goals as the Jihadists conquering the Middle East and North Africa.
Gorka should know. And I’m pretty sure he does. So I guess they are somewhat hampered by political correctness – threading carefully. But a good start nonetheless.
Mac-101 says
Wait till the next major terrorist attack. I bet ALL H3LL will be unleash.
gravenimage says
Dr. Gorka is pretty clear that it is Islam that is the problem.
Martin Donohoe says
Islam is the problem. Say it again. ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM.
KrazyKafir says
How is it possible to render this ideology safe without gutting most of that same ideology? The problem is that this ideology is hopelessly evil, in its core teachings, and in the founder’s life examples. I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t state the truth about how hopeless reformation is with this horrible death cult. The world firstly needs to understand the absolute truth about how difficult this would be since the ideology itself is so insane, as a whole.
Milo says
Bravo, exactly to the point. there is no possible way to sugar coat islam, it is rotten to the core. a blatant Christian heresy that should be exposed as to what it truly is deep down inside itself. it’s equivalent to dipping animal feces in chocolate and claiming it’s an organic health snack.
as a Christian, I’d love to see all Muslims abandon Islam and turn to Yahushua but, in truth, I’d feel equally safe if they merely turned atheistic.
Savvy Kafir says
Islam cannot be rendered safe … ever. Islam is the enemy, not merely “jihadism”. The stealth jihadis, and the Demographic Jihad being waged in the West are the greatest threats to the civilized world — not terrorists or insurgents.
KrazyKafir says
True. The so called moderate Muslims end up perpetuating this evil ideology, even if they choose to ignore its core teachings of, supremacism, and world domination. How many times have we seen a moderate embrace, fully, this ideology at a later time in their life, or their offspring embrace the Jihad? Moderates at this point are just carriers of the virulent strain.
Shmooviyet says
Agreed… I feel safe here in admitting confusion when it comes to Zuhdi Jasser. I’ve heard him for years calling for reformation. He’s certainly held up by a few members of the “radical Islamic terrorism” media gang.
He comes across as battling ‘jihadism’ but I haven’t heard him on other islamic issues. I’d appreciate opinions from JW regulars and others; am I misjudging him?
KrazyKafir says
I’ll trust Jasser more when he is fully honest about the core teachings of Islam…. and just how bad it really is…..in the Islamic world. Muslims who don’t tell the world just how bad it is are deceivers. Deliberately, or intentionally.
PRCS says
I have never heard him explain which passages from Qur’an he would “reform” or how he’d convince a billion+ other Muslims to go along with his plan.
DFD says
@ KrazyKafir
You got it!
Robert Corrow says
Communism, Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, etc., are standalone “isms”.
Jihad is a core tenet of Islam.
It is NOT an “ism”.
The public is ill served by folks who regurgitate the nonsensical notion of “jihadism”.
Westman says
“..Arab Awakening proved that these populations are ready for a revolution, for a grassroots movement against the establishment across the Middle East.” – Zuhdi Jasser
Didn’t we already experience the results of a similar unfounded statement about being, “greeted as liberators” in Iraq?
Loudon certainly is correct about the communist-thinking left being in collusion with Islam to undermine the constitutional republic of the US and the remaining freedom of Europe.
California is the poster child for paper-pushers and electronic tinkerers who insult the very agricultural enterprise upon which their security rests. If one looks at what is actually produced and manufactured within CA, agriculture outstrips everything. The big electronics firms outsource manufacturing to other countries; ultimately raising the trade imbalance and destroying local employment. It makes their numbers large as they attempt to also keep taxible profits and the money offshore. They are not good citizens.
If the agriculture sector of the US, mostly conservative Republicans, cut back 50% for a year, what would actually happen? If the liberals cut back 50% for a year what would happen?
As comedian Jackie Mason recently said, a plumber is more important than a movie star, and a toilet is more important than a movie. http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/02/24/exclusive-video-jackie-mason-oscars-plumbers-real-heroes-can-live-without-anti-trump-movie-stars/
Robert Corrow says
Re: agriculture.
One almost never hears from politicians, “journalists”, or farmers about the H2A Visa–a numerically uncapped, non-immigrant, temporary agricultural worker program which matches legal, foreign laborers with honest American employers; three groups who prefer instead to speak, write or whine that crops go unpicked–because there’s no program to legally hire legal foreign workers.
A grand conspiracy by those groups who–to steal your line–are not good citizens.
H2A Visa: http://tinyurl.com/h45nnpk
K. says
There is only one way to defeat a bad idea held as a religion: Total annihilation.
gravenimage says
You cannot annihilate an idea. But Islam *has* been isolated successfully before, and this kept us safe.
Jaladhi says
So long as we can on inviting Muslims to come to our countries, we cannot declare any kind of war on jihad/Islam/Muslims. So there goes the third world war on jihad. Stop Muslim immigration and then ask those living the Western countries to give up the jihad ideology. Maybe its too late now and we have to deal with them as they continue the war against all of us.
Tjhawk says
After the annihilation of two cities in Japan and the capitulation of the military, the job wasn’t finished until the Emperor was removed from deity status. He was forced to publically admit that he was only a human and not a god at all. This essentially removed religious supremacism that made Japan so dangerous.
The non muslim world needs to let the muslims know that muhammed and his hand puppet, allah will never be accorded respect as related to God or religion. No physical violence towards living muslims should ever happen in a vigilante sort of way, but intellectual violence to the ridiculous ideology and doctrines of islam should be continually applied by every liberty loving person in every venue possible.
Thank goodness for Robert, Bill Warner, Stephen Coughlin, etc. who are leading the way. They show how intellectual honesty allows islamoresistance to be done without seeming to be an ignorant bigot.
Be informed and say what needs to be said. No amount of physical warfare will succeed without muhammed and his ideas being destroyed as a viable worldview in today’s world.
missinfidel says
“..intellectual violence to the ridiculous ideology and doctrines of islam should be continually applied by every liberty loving person in every venue possible.”
Very well-said. I have been a JW reader for many years but am now actively bringing others here so they can learn about fighting Islam with the truth about Islam. Hate and bigotry are not enough to make inroads among those who have been misled. Truth is the only way to shut them down. And boy do they hate anyone trying to have an intelligent discussion about the basic tenets of Islam. Their tired song about Islam being the religion of peace is easily silenced with the facts about this so-called religion.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
William says
Nuke Mecca and show them their Allah Isn’t real.
underbed cat says
I purchased a copy of the 9/11 Commission Report, edition 1. .Why did these men hijack planes and fly them into the World Trade Center….? Shortly after it was published it was removed from the shelves and the connection to the muslim world deleted, new copies reprinted purged of substance. Just ordinary terrorism…..but think again. Little was known about the doctrine of Islam…Usama Bin Ladin was considered a terrorist from Saudi Arabia…..he was supported financially by the Islamic communities/ imams throughout the middle east, desiring a return for a muslim caliphate, it is fundamental Islam and he was not alone. The charitable donations provided the cash that were needed to help the mujahideen/ warriors and pave a road of acceptance thru deception. The mosques/schools were the recruiting centers funded and built, the information warfare began with the influencing of politicians and leaders, misinformation was given. The migrations began even before the sixties, it continues today as refugees, however this is a insurgency, the migration brings the communities and now soldiers. Basically this is a Islam, fundamental warfare prep stage, silenced by the muslim civil rights organizations that support and deceive to mislead the western world. Riots in Sweden? What riots? Riots in Germany silenced, in Belgium silenced. After the attack the outreach organizations began to control information and give explanations removing the factual basis of terrorism. The purge of 9/11 Commission Report had been achieved early on and files from HLS destroyed it was good to go, nobody knows or if they did they were silenced. The U.N. and the OIC are dictating what we can say, the goal is to criminalize facts and silence free speech. The muslim student organizations did their work to appear peaceful, darwah, present the face of the muslm world as peaceful, tolerant all the while it was already preparing long term for war. The motto, “against them make ready to strike terror into the hearts of the non-believers” and spread islamic sharia law throughout the western world. It is not hateful to tell the truth, it is a fraud not too.
Chintamani Patwardhan says
There shall be no peace to other communities till there is existence of Koran on this earth because violence against non-Muslims is the essence of Koran. A day shall come soon that whole Europe shall be put on fire by Muslim refugees. God save the world from Islamic terrorism.
underbed cat says
The warfare is from the global islamic world…ummah..there is no reform possible since they are not allowed to change one word of islam doctrine. the Koran, the Hadiths and Sharia law. It is a global network approximately 57 countries. A faith? Islam is Islam and it’s goal is world domination. Muslims only want sharia. The vetting has to take this in account.
underbed cat says
Where are the experts..Stephen Coughlin, Robert Spencer, Clare Lopez, John Guandolo….Trump needs these people….and many more. What happened to the information gathered by the 9/11 Report. As Stephen Coughlin says we need to know the enemy.
Angemon says
More like “a war that’s been raging for 1400 years”.
RCCA says
I’d caution some of those gentlemen to be a little less simplistic about violent “jihad” being the only oppression in Islam. What especially hit me was the statement by Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Waltz referring to jihad as the “bastardization of what is otherwise a peaceful religion.” There’s nothing peaceful about a religion that prescribes wife beating and allows for honor killing, killing of homosexuals, consigning non-Muslims to second class status. A multi-generational ideological campaign certainly needs to include equality and human rights and not simply eliminating jihad.
RationalVoice says
Yes Waltz is making the mistake so many in high positions make. Muslims believe the Qur’an is the actual word of Allah and can’t be reformed. Unlike Roman Catholicism there is no Pope like figure in Islam with a “hot line to God” to say this nasty bit of the Bible was not “inspired” by the bearded boss man above the clouds.
Not all Muslims follow the strict word of the Qur’an but there will always be some who will and will conflate their literal belief in it with political objectives in Islamic countries and around the World via Islamic immigrant populations to advance their global ambitions.
The only solution is to eradicate this toxic religion from the face of the Earth by exposing the fiction and falsehoods of the Islamic texts and to deprogram those who have been fooled and brainwashed into believing it.
We can defeat Daesh but Islamic terrorism is a many headed snake which will come back again in another form until we stop people believing in this false, ignorant barbaric hangover from the dark ages.
Geoffrey Britain says
Well, they’re half way there which is better than “Islam is a religion of peace”. But the speakers mentioned here talk around the main point. Allah in the Qur’an forthrightly and unequivocally proclaims it to be the duty of every Muslim to wage jihad on all non-Muslims. Period, end of story.
Defeat ISIS and al Qaeda. Defeat and invalidate jihad and ‘radical ideas and interpretations’. It will all be for naught in the long run, as long as the source of those symptoms are left.
“Jasser emphasized the broad-based nature of threats anchored in Islamic doctrine… “We could get rid of ISIS tomorrow or next year, and then in a couple of years there will be another radical Islamic group,” he warned. … there is a “bargain between the Left and Islam; it’s because they are both collectivists.”
Islam will ensure that ultimately, “Carthago delenda est” Carthage must be destroyed…
Troybeam says
Islam has not changed in centuries so what makes anyone think it can be changed at all?
Perhaps it’s time to reverse the Islamic play book of destruction of all that is not Islamic, perhaps its time we hit Islam the way it hits against nations and begin to destroy their places of worship as they destroy churches, historical buildings,
even Mecca is a choice we could make, perhaps then Islam will understand that people will not submit to their theocracy. Maybe then Islam will leave all non Muslim nations alone. Remember people: Islam knows no boundaries when it comes to destruction or taking any life human or animal.
William says
Nuke Mecca, spray the whole ME and Muslim countries with chemical weapons that render the men infertile, build a sewage plant where Mecca used to be, start destroying all mosqes worldwide.
gravenimage says
CPAC Declares World War III Against Jihad
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This does sound good–I suppose it will come down to how this actually plays out. At least they are acknowledging that it is a real threat, which is better than many RINOS.
vlparker says
You’re joking, right? Every speaker in part 1 hit a home run. But part 2 was an utter disaster. Mike Waltz and Jasser were spewing nonsense and Gorka wasn’t much better, saying that we are not at war with islam. Well, islam is certainly at war with us. And Gorka did nothing to challenge the drivel that Waltz and Jasser were spewing. Part 2 was very disappointing.