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Farage: They’re not refugees, they’re economic migrants

Feb 17, 2017 1:25 pm By Robert Spencer

Yes, and many are not just economic migrants, but muhajiroun, emigrants in the way of Allah, coming to a non-Muslim land in order ultimately to conquer and Islamize it.

“And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him – his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah” (Qur’an 4:100).

“‘They’re ECONOMIC MIGRANTS’ Nigel Farage slates misuse of term ‘refugee,'” by Ajay Nair, Express, February 13, 2017:

NIGEL FARAGE offered his take on what a refugee is – before branding “most” of those leaving the seven countries of Donald Trump’s travel ban “economic migrants”.

The former Ukip leader said the word was often “misused” during a TV discussion about a possible second executive order on immigration after a US appeals court upheld the decision to halt the US leader’s ban.

The initial directive saw citizens from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen temporarily barred along with all refugees.

Speaking on Fox News, Mr Farage said: “Be careful about using the word refugees. You know a refugee is somebody in fear of their life because of their race or their religion.”

He said welcoming people from those countries increased the terror threat in Europe and America.

The Brexit campaigner said: “Actually, most people that are coming from those countries, whether it’s coming into Europe or coming to America are basically economic migrants.

“And it’s mixed in with some of those that you potentially get terrorists. I do think the word refugee gets misused.”…

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  1. Face_The_Truth says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    N. Farage: They’re Not Refugees, They’re Economic Migrants

    Absolutely correct sentence!

    Political Parties want foreign-born Muslims to vote for them in North America and Western Europe during general elections.

    So, foreign-born Muslims are coming in waves after waves in order to convert world’s Christian-majority countries into nations of Islam!

    Once granted asylum or when considered as “Refugees”, foreign-born Muslims are put on the path of becoming American citizens within 5 years of arrival in America.

    That means, millions of new voters for the establishment political parties in North America and Western Europe in year 2020 and beyond as establishment politicians will be able to stay in elected offices forever!

    American Senators John McCain, Marcos Rubios, and Lindsay Graham want open-border systems in North America and Western Europe.

    American Senators John McCain, Marcos Rubios, and Lindsay Graham opposed Kris William Kobach, because Kris William Kobach wants national borders be closed.

    American Senators John McCain, Marcos Rubios, and Lindsay Graham said, they would NOT confirm nominees during Senate Hearings if U.S. President D.J. Trump scraps Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).

    U.S. President D.J. Trump succumbed to continuing Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).

    So, American govt. is stuck with bringing in millions of foreign-born Muslims every year.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Feb 18, 2017 at 2:51 am

      I’d add one word: they’re supremacist economic migrants.

      • Fergus 0'Byrne says

        Feb 18, 2017 at 5:59 am

        They’re Benefits Seekers.

    • JUSTICEFORALL says

      Feb 18, 2017 at 3:04 am

      THIS IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE AZTLANERS (THE MEXICANS WHO HAVE A PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE U.S. & KILL AMERICANS CALLED “AZTLAN”) HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR YEARS FOR AMERICANS TO CALL THE “ILLEGAL ALIENS” (CORRECT TERM IN UNITED STATES CODE 8 (SECTION 1325 = DEFINITIONS) FOR THOSE WHO COME IN ILLEGALLY OR OVERSTAY THEIR VISA AND ARE HERE ILLEGALLY) THE RESPECTED WORD “IMMIGRANTS” (WHICH ONLY MEANS THOSE WHO COME IN LEGALLY, PUT THEIR NAME ON THE LIST AND WAIT THEIR TURN! THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE WORD “IMMIGRANT” HAS ALWAYS BEEN A RESPECTED WORD! EVEN OUR MEDIA CALL THE ILLEGALS “IMMIGRANTS” (WHICH IS A LIE!). BUT THEN MANY MEXICANS ARE WORKING WITH THE ARAB TERRORISTS. (A few months back, there was an article that said many Mexican cartel members were found to have brought over Arab terrorists to show them good places in the U.S. to attack our nation!)

  2. Know Thy Enemy says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 1:59 pm

    Throughout history people have moved for economic reasons. Over the past 100+ years, people have moved from the countryside to big towns and cities. Over the last two decades, as a result of globalization, people have moved to more developed countries, again for economic reasons. I am not sure that this trend can be stopped since the nature of economy itself has changed. Attempts to stop globalization would only result in economic decline. For example, if President Trump deports all those illegals from Mexico, who is going to work in the farms?? The crops will rot if not harvested in the fields, and produce will be significantly more expensive at grocery stores. Prices for any industry dependent on produce would also shoot up. Result: People will have less money to spend elsewhere and there will be economic consequences to USA.

    For this reason, it is unwise to try to stop economic migration. What can be done however, is managing this migration, or controlling who can come in and who cannot, or whose migration to turn a blind eye to (e.g. Mexicans). Needless to say, the worst thing countries can do is to let Islam-followers in. However, stopping migration completely is only going to cause society and businesses (especially tech and agriculture) to fight hard against the policies as is currently happening in the US.

    • Face_The_Truth says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 2:06 pm

      Robots can do the jobs of illegal immigrants, criminal law-breakers.

      Plus, robots do not need sick pays, maternity leave, over-time pays, and robots do not do traditional labor-dispute.

      Have you seen a driver-less car or a driver-less long-haul truck?

      McDonald’s and Wendy’s can install service-machines instead of hiring illegal, criminal aliens anymore!

      • Know Thy Enemy says

        Feb 17, 2017 at 2:14 pm

        Why do you call them “criminal” aliens? Latinos have a reputation for doing hard work. Why such hostility towards hard working people who are not a threat to the country?

        As for robots doing farm work, you will find out in a year when you will be paying double at the grocery store and at restaurants! Also, are robots going to mow your lawn while you watch football?

        • Allan says

          Feb 17, 2017 at 2:37 pm

          Because an alien who is in the USA illegally is a criminal alien. It’s true by definition, so there is no excuse for your PC quibbling and quarreling.

        • Face_The_Truth says

          Feb 17, 2017 at 2:38 pm

          Each illegal aliens cost American tax-payers in higher and higher school taxes, property taxes, state taxes, and local taxes for medical care, hospital visits, subsidized housing, food stamps, and child-care.

          The above did not even include the cost of American tax-payers constantly paying for the incarceration in both Federal and State prisons of all illegal, criminal law-breakers in American heartland.

          The State of California spends in excess of 25 billion U.S. dollars a year for illegal, criminal alien law-breakers and their families.

          That’s an astonishing amount of tax-payers’ money!

          The State of New York is awash with illegal, criminal alien law-breakers, because New York City is full of millions of Jews and Jewish politicians of New York think illegal, criminal alien law-breakers are similar to White European Jews fleeing Nazism of Europe 75 years ago!

          In New York, Jews get elected to political offices by their pandering to the illegal, criminal alien law-breakers.

        • Face_The_Truth says

          Feb 17, 2017 at 2:46 pm

          Correction of typographical error:

          Each illegal alien costs American tax-payers in higher and higher school taxes, property taxes, state taxes, and local taxes for medical care, hospital visits, subsidized housing, food stamps, schooling, and child-care.

        • StacyGirl says

          Feb 17, 2017 at 3:12 pm

          If Mexicans are so hard working, why don’t they work to improve their own country, a place with abundant natural resources? This is a place for too many of them to sneak into , work without paying raxes, assume identities, and commit crimes. Mexico and Mexicans will be made to respect our border. Know the Enemy?

        • David A says

          Feb 17, 2017 at 3:40 pm

          Yes, legal immigration makes sense. Giving entire industry to illegal immigration is not logical. Construction, first the drywallers, then all but finish carpenters, then that as well. Landscape contractors, Ist some illegals used as cheap labor, then other legit licensed contractors forced to do the same or quit. Then tools stolen, jobs underbid by non- licensed illegals paying little to no tax, and the best goes on.

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Feb 18, 2017 at 4:15 am

          @Allan,
          By your logic, someone driving at 60mph on a 55mph highway is also a “criminal”. If someone adopted a fourth cat knowing full well that s/he can legally only have three, CRIMINAL. Give me a break!

          It would only help us if we reserve the term “criminal” for REAL common sense crime: Rape, murder, drug-dealing, etc. We need to refrain from using this term on Hispanics who come from the south only for economic reasons. (I am not saying that we should not build a wall to keep them out. I am saying that those who are present in the US should be ignored unless they commit crime or are deemed dangerous.)

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Feb 18, 2017 at 4:24 am

          @StacyGirl,
          Yes I know the enemy. Mexicans (and other Latinos coming from the south) are NOT the enemy. All we need to do is to build a wall to make it harder for them to get here. As for those who are already here, we should adopt the policy of live and let live for reasons described in my comments below.

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Feb 18, 2017 at 4:28 am

          @David A,
          Yours is the only reasonable argument against illegal immigration. If we build a wall, which we should, it should remedy this problem to a great extent. Also, please read my comment further below.

        • Mark Swan says

          Feb 19, 2017 at 9:31 pm

          The U.S. is located just above South America—Mexico its nearest neighbor has over 3 times the murder rate as the U.S.—criminal organizations from South America are very
          active in the U.S. and these come through Mexico, where the cartels rule the country.

          According to the United Nations, 97 percent of the illegal immigrants who enter the U.S. clandestinely do so across the almost 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico, but only 20 percent of those who cross the border illegally are caught.

          Here is a glimpse (below link) of the threat and cost of allowing this to happen.

          http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

    • David E Flandry says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 4:15 pm

      He is not going to deport all illegals. That’s the simple, truthful answer. Others will have to work to get green cards, pay taxes, etc. See, its simple.

    • Ciudadano says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 4:28 pm

      Many Mexican and Central American people migrate to USA not because of war or political persecution, but because they can make more money working as a gardener in USA that an engineer makes in their original country. Many immigrants sent the money back to their original countries in order to buy properties or invest in their own small businesses.

      • Know Thy Enemy says

        Feb 18, 2017 at 4:33 am

        And what exactly is wrong with investing in properties or small businesses in Central America. If they do so, it means that some locals get jobs in those countries which means that their chance of [illegally] coming to the US is greatly reduced. A win-win situation both for Americans and the economic-migrant.

        • Ciudadano says

          Feb 18, 2017 at 11:29 am

          My comment was not a moral judgement. I was trying to explain why many people immigrate from Central America and Mexico to USA even though they are doing relatively well in their own countries.

          Even if people in Central America can get a job, they will immigrate to USA because a gardener in USA makes more money than in Central America. Again, many immigrants move to USA in order to make more money that they could make in their home countries.

      • Face_The_Truth says

        Feb 18, 2017 at 3:58 pm

        But, American tax-payers should not be bearing the costs of higher and higher school taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, state taxes, and local taxes for medical care, hospital visits, subsidized housing, food-stamps, schooling, adult-care, and child-care by bringing in millions of millions of foreigners every year.

        American govt. is currently running 20,000,000,000,000 U.S. dollars of national debt, which doesn’t even include the additional unfunded governmental liabilities of well over 150,000,000,000,000 U.S. dollars!!!

        With this current open-border system, American govt. will go belly-up at some point.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Feb 18, 2017 at 5:59 am

      Folks, we have a situation in the US and economic-migrants coming from the south is barely as important as this one. Let’s review what it is-

      Even though we (Republicans/ conservatives) have won the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, the Left has not accepted defeat and this should be obvious from their behavior ever since Nov 8. The Left believes that they won the Presidency but the unfair Electoral College system stole it from them. The Left also believes, correctly, that if they had a candidate other than Hillary, they would have won the presidency.

      Our enemy/opponent isn’t defeated simply because we temporarily get an upper hand. The opponent is defeated only when he feels defeated and accepts that defeat. The Left is nowhere close to that. In fact they are confident that they can make things ungovernable, and their successes over the past few weeks have only added fuel to their zeal.

      The Left is unlikely to feel defeated until they suffer two or three more election defeats, which means we are in it for the long haul (at least 4 years, maybe 6). Right now they are full of confidence. They know, correctly, that in the next Presidential elections all they have to do is have a candidate who is somewhat more likable than Hillary Clinton, and they will win. (There was an article that said that Trump won not because people liked him a lot, but because they hated Hillary a lot.) They know that all they have to do is to make things ungovernable and to patiently wait.

      They also know that the Hispanics/Latinos usually have more children than Republicans. And since Latinos overwhelmingly vote Democrat, the Left knows they will win.

      Except we cannot afford the Left to win. They will ruin everything that Trump/GOP may achieve, and will make it difficult as impossible for another Trump-like figure to run for election. They will bring in a million refugees simply to insult us. And that would be the beginning.

      The Republicans only have one way to stop the Left and to win- bring more members. But how? And from where? My answer: the Latinos (the ones who are citizens of course).

      The Latinos are Christians, have good work ethics, and are family oriented, and these are values fully compatible with being Republican/Conservative. They should not be Democrats. They should be Republicans! We need to remind them of this fact and invite them to become Republicans.

      Except they will not join if we have a bad image, that is, if they think we have been too mean to their community. We need to present an image of being the party that is responsible (that is, we take the action needed to halt illegal immigration) but at the same time not mean and heartless.

      Yesterday there was a report that a woman went to a shelter for protection against domestic abuse, except she was arrested and is now being deported. This is extremely damaging to Republicans’ image. People are not dumb. They know that if women are afraid to report domestic violence (for fear of deportation) they will continue to suffer. They know that an economic migrant isn’t automatically “criminal” alien. They will not join our party if they believe that we are the ones responsible for such hate and suffering. And the Left will always be reminding them that we are!

      Without the Hispanic vote, we are unlikely to win more elections.

      The gain for being a little nice to Latinos is that we will successfully make the Left feel defeated. The cost: Slight lowering of the wages. This cost is nothing compared to the cost that our future generations will be paying if the Left wins.

      For this reason we urgently need to change our attitude towards Latinos.

  3. Richard Paulsen says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    If I am not mistaken, former UK PM Tony Blair said something like, that he respected “Brexit”.
    However he thinks voters did not know what they voted for, therefore a new referendum should take place.
    And what do voters know about that resulting in? Things being the same as before? No good future.

  4. John A. Marre says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 2:21 pm

    No. They are there to reproduce and ultimately convert the country to Islam.

    • Face_The_Truth says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      Faithful Muslims practice child-marriage and polygamy.

      Child-marriage and polygamy allow world’s Muslims to reproduce Muslim population at a faster rate than any other ethnic group.

      Also, Islamic divorce-system plays somewhat smaller a role in increasing Muslim population worldwide where a faithful Muslim man can divorce one of his multiple wives just by uttering “I divorce you!” 3 times in a row.

      • StacyGirl says

        Feb 17, 2017 at 3:15 pm

        Good point. Letting 1,000 in today equals 2,000 next year, and so on. They. bring nothing of value as an immigrant class. Quite the contrary. They are here to take.

  5. salim says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    {…Yes, and many are not just economic migrants, but muhajiroun, emigrants in the way of Allah,..}
    Actually the word muhajiroun is the Arabic for migrants. Robert probably meant to say mujahidoon (i.e. who practice, holy war known as jihad)

  6. Lesley says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    The term, “economic migrant” implies that they intend to work and contribute to society. The aim of draining our social welfare funds and working under the table, if at all says, “parasite” would be more appropriate, and is the best case scenario.

    There were 500 African “refugees” at the border in Spain armed with clubs and tools. Really, these folks are invaders, plain and simple… Invaders!!

    Islam creates a crisis, then makes a ton of money off of smuggling people fleeing the crisis, and sneaks in their fighters to attack us, and their lazy counterparts to drain us.

    My heart aches for the poor souls who really want to leave the insanity of Islam and join civilization. This must be their worst nightmare.

    • Salome says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 4:44 pm

      Indeed, the new economic immigration characterises itself by a seeking out of the countries with the best welfare. these invaders are welfare-seeking muhajiroun, taking down the kaffir for as much as they can extract from him while biding their time pending the takeover.

    • overman says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 8:55 pm

      “The term, “economic migrant” implies that they intend to work and contribute to society. The aim of draining our social welfare funds and working under the table, if at all says, “parasite” would be more appropriate, and is the best case scenario”

      Exactly, Leslie, at least in reference to muslim refugees/migrants. A truer description would be ‘WELFARE PARASITES’.

  7. Ciudadano says

    Feb 17, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Correct. And pro-immigration politicians like Merkel want immigrants to replace aging, steadily declining native European populations.

    Birth rates in the rich western countries are falling below replacement rates necessary to keep population levels. This means that these countries are aging and rapidly depopulating. http://tinyurl.com/jbk76ss

    This situation is a direct result of the so-called culture of death that has taken root in the West: contraception, abortion, late paternity, family disintegration, divorce, feminism, homosexuality, drug addiction, unbridled sex, euthanasia, etc. Of course these phenomena have a deeper cause that has to do with the abandonment of the Christian faith and its replacement by the idols of material and intellectual success.

    This situation also explains why Western leaders are promoting the PERMANENT arrival of millions of mostly Muslim immigrants. It is no coincidence that in the countries with the lowest birth rate, immigrants are provided with roofs, food and money for child support. The governments of these countries want immigrants to stay permanently in order to keep or increase necessary population levels.

    Always wonder myself why Western governments have chosen to permanently bring in millions of Sunni Muslim immigrants (many times from countries that have no conflicts) over other ways to help people in war torn countries, such as refugee camps, temporary shelters, exclusion zones, etc. Well, I think the answer is that immigrants are the politicians’ solution to the problem of low birth rates and aging populations in Western countries.

    What 1400 years of failed Islamic invasions couldn’t achieve, is being achived by the culture of death born within the same Western countries. The Islamization of the West is the inadvertent consequence of the rejection of the Christian faith.

    • Angemon says

      Feb 17, 2017 at 5:56 pm

      “This situation is a direct result of the so-called culture of death that has taken root in the West: contraception, abortion, late paternity, family disintegration, divorce, feminism, homosexuality, drug addiction, unbridled sex, euthanasia, etc. Of course these phenomena have a deeper cause that has to do with the abandonment of the Christian faith and its replacement by the idols of material and intellectual success.”

      Or maybe, you know, things are not the same as they were, let’s say, 50 years ago – the advance in technology means that there’s less need for human labour, the average education level increased and parents have less kids but plan to send those they to to college, etc.

      • Ciudadano says

        Feb 18, 2017 at 11:38 am

        “the advance in technology means that there’s less need for human labour”

        Well, I refer to the evidence:

        Labor Shortage: Germany Needs More Immigrants (http://tinyurl.com/zyxmymn)

        Tapping refugees to combat Germany’s labor shortage (http://tinyurl.com/hfxze8f)

        I’m convinced that many Western Countries are in suicidal mode: contraception, abortion, euthanasia, late parenthood, family disintegration, etc. Islam is taking Europe easily because Europe rejected christian values.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 20, 2017 at 2:46 pm

          “Well, I refer to the evidence”

          How many people are required to operate a farm – work the fields, take care of animals, etc. – when compared to 50 or 100 years ago? I stand by what I said: there’s less need for human labour nowadays. The first of those articles mentions a need for 400,000 skilled workers every year while the other states Germany’s unemployment is 6.4 percent. 6.4 percent of 80 million people is a little over 5 million people – 5.12 million people, to be exact. Why should Germany be taking in “migrants” for those skilled job vacancies – and forgive my scepticism, but I doubt that muslim “refugees” have the required skills – when they have enough manpower to last them for at least the next 13 years? If German corporations are going to have to train people for those vacancies, why not simply train the locals?

        • Ciudadano says

          Feb 20, 2017 at 3:17 pm

          Angemon,

          Maybe some tasks are not as labor intensive as they use to be, but there are other tasks that still require labor and European countries are unable to satisfy labor demand just with natives, as the articles show. Maybe the problem is that some jobs/wages are unattractive for natives.

          Decline of European populations have being going on for decades. I don’t think that tendency is going to change any time soon. The worse part is that liberal politicians are doubling down on policies and causes decreasing birth rates. My guess is that progressive/liberal politicians consider that native population decline is irreversible and immigration is the only long term solution to labor shortage.

          In the more speculative side maybe liberal politicians expect they constituencies will grow allowing in more immigrants. Maybe there is a globalist/elitist alliance between politicians and big corp to bring in more immigrants to bring wages down. Perhaps that explains the reason why liberal politicians and media are so eager to stigmatize and penalize opposition to Muslim immigration.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 21, 2017 at 6:49 am

          “but there are other tasks that still require labor and European countries are unable to satisfy labor demand just with natives, as the articles show. ”

          If anything, the articles show the opposite. One says that Germany requires 400,000 skilled workers per year and the other says that Germany has a 6.4% unemployment rate. That’s a little over 5 million people unemployed. The “refugees” or “migrants” from places like Afghanistan, Iraq or Somalia will require training not only in the skills they’re expected to do – and the unemployment among muslim “refugees” and “migrants” is well documented, the narrative that Germany or any other Western nation benefits from muslim migration is mostly parroted by left-leaning media outlets trying to offer a rational explanation to feeling-based actions – but also on the language and culture of the host nation. The available manpower in Germany is enough to fill those yearly 400,000 jobs for the next 12-13 years, even if no one else enters the German workforce in that period of time.

          “Maybe there is a globalist/elitist alliance between politicians and big corp to bring in more immigrants to bring wages down.”

          Or maybe those two groups have completely different goals and mindsets that serendipitously overlap on a few specific points. Take, for example, the scenario described by Ann Coulter in “Adios America”, where she criticizes both Democrats and Republicans for their role in illegal migration from third world countries. Democrats like said migration because they’ll vote majoritarily Democrat, Republicans like the cheap labour. There’s not necessarily an alliance, they simply agree on one point, although for different reasons. In any case, “politicians” is not a homogeneous group, especially in Europe where most countries are not limited to two political parties.

        • Ciudadano says

          Feb 21, 2017 at 9:34 pm

          Angemon,

          You have a good point. How come there is 6% unemployment and labor shortage? My only explanation is that there are jobs that natives don’t like or some people prefer to live from welfare.

          However, if labor shortage due to population decline and aging is not an acute problem now, it will be sooner or later.

          One of the articles says this:

          “According to a 2011 study conducted by the Nuremburg-based Institute for Employment Research, given the current shortage of skilled labor and the shrinking German population, the country’s labor force is expected to drop by almost 7 million by 2025.”

          The population decline and aging is a long term problem. Probably you are right about immigrants not having enough skills, but in a few years they or their dependents will acquire the required skills, thanks to government supplied training.

          My guess is that that’s liberal politicians plan for fighting population decline and labor shortage, not mine, by the way.

    • WTF is wrong with people says

      Feb 18, 2017 at 3:43 am

      If these governments really wanted a fix other than immigration they could do it. So don’t kid yourself into thinking they have no choice because they do. But that isn’t part of their agenda. You talk about people not reproducing enough…the fix would be stop funding abortion. Geez my leader, Trudeau is now funding it internationally. $600m for abortions worldwide. Meanwhile we have reservations for our natives that don’t have clean, running water. But I understand abortions are so much more important. Another fix to help with reproduction would be to quit supporting this feminist crap. The government could give financial incentives to families to help pay for extra children. Alot of people don’t have more kids because everything is way more expensive and in no way are wages rising to match. If the Western governments would give higher monthly payments to families having children it would help and it would be cheaper than paying for all these immigrants that have no skills, don’t know the language and the high number of them that just want to live off everyone else. But let’s really look at where all these stunted reproduction numbers started and that was the baby boomers. There was loads of them and they didn’t have enough children and with the children they did have they piled on the debt and the ridiculous inflation. Bottom line our government leaders are doing this on purpose to further their agenda. A person only needs to look at all the facts.

      • Ciudadano says

        Feb 18, 2017 at 11:51 am

        I agree with your sentiment. The problem is that Western governments have sold off to the LGBT+abortion+feminazis+anti-christian causes. In one hand liberal politicians support policies that cause decline of native populations and in the other hand they support bringing muslim immigrants to replenish population levels. Come on, some goverments even give away contraceptives and abortions.

        But I don’t think it is politicians fault exclusively. I know many Europeans and Americans who decide not to have children in order to be able to persuit their dreams: Phds, bussiness success, travel, etc. Some wait until they are in their fourties to hardly have 1 child.

        • WTF is wrong with people says

          Feb 18, 2017 at 5:54 pm

          Exactly they promote and popularize anything and everything against the traditional family. Females that choose to be stay at home moms are looked down on by feminists. In my opinion nothing is more feminine than having and raising children that care about others, are critical thinkers and will contribute to society in a positive way. So yes they do it on purpose, it is a war on the traditional. These leftists say they want diversity, but to them diversity means death to traditional, middle class families. Feminists don’t even know what they are fighting for anymore. They certainly aren’t fighting for the rights of women in 3rd world or even western countries anymore. Their agenda right now seems to be celebrating how many abortions they’ve had and emasculating men. It just about seems that they despise being women at this point and instead of embracing it they belittle anything that remotely resembles it. It is shameful, tragic and has done nothing but wreak havoc on society. We have all ultimately contributed to the destruction of our society. Geez I hate feminists! They spout their propaganda telling women they will only be happy if they put off having children (way longer than they should) and pursue a career. My question is are they really happier? They sure don’t seem like it. Sounds very lonely and goes against the nature of what being a woman is about. I’m not saying all women should stay at home and have babies but I’m sure a majority would be happier if they did instead of walking around an empty shell from all their abortions, self hate and loneliness.

  8. WTF is wrong with people says

    Feb 18, 2017 at 3:23 am

    Definately have to agree with this guy. I support immigration when it is done in a controlled, rational way. I do not support immigration in the masses from one specific group or from people who have no intention of ever integrating or working. Especially with people whose ideology isn’t compatible with ours. These mass immigrations are going to be a huge problem. There has never been a peaceful cohesion of two such opposite groups in all of history. It isn’t possible. And all these politicians are endangering the lives of everyone. It’s madness and they are so narcissistic that all they care about is their political open borders and not the human lives that will be lost. This is what happens when greedy people rule the world. We are just pawns in their sick, twisted game. They have no respect for human life.

  9. JOEL A TOMPKINS says

    Feb 18, 2017 at 3:45 am

    You are going to need to fight and kill them if you want to save your country they are there to take it from you and turn you or kill you one or the other . Be prepared who knows when this will happen but have you army ready for it.

  10. Kathy says

    Feb 19, 2017 at 12:15 am

    They are not actually coming there to work, because they DO NOT WANT to work – they want everything for free and someone else to work for them!
    Actually they are RELIGIOUS FANATIC MIGRANTS.

  11. dumbledoresarmy says

    Feb 19, 2017 at 6:03 am

    Polygyny in and of itself does not make a social group more populous than a social group that does NOT practise polygyny.

    Four women married to one man can still only have as many babies, individually, at a certain lower-limit interval, as four women who each have one husband only.

    If each woman has five babies, then in the next generation, in polygynous society A, there are twenty children: but those twenty children represent *only one* male genetic line. Whereas, in monogamous society B, there are *also* twenty children… representing *four* different male genetic lines.

    Women can normally only have one baby per year per woman.

    You don’t necessarily get more people in the next generation, if you have polygyny (all that does, is reduce the number of *male* genetic lines that get to continue over time); it’s only if you are ‘force-breeding’ each individual woman, by forcing her to have a baby every year from menarche to menopause. And even the most strongly ‘conservative’ western country today would balk at *forcing* girls to marry the moment they got their menses, whether they wanted to marry or not; and I doubt you’d find many midwives willing to demand that every married woman should give birth to a baby a year for thirty years.

    PS
    For those deploring the supposed influence of irreligion and Evil Wicked Wimmens, and abortion, and contraception, bringing about the reduction in family sizes, in the modern West:

    Once infant mortality rates dropped, around 1900, and then even further, around 1920s, with modern medicine and sanitation and then with immunisations against lethal diseases like diphtheria and whooping cough that used to kill off babies and toddlers in large numbers, family sizes across the West got smaller… and this happened *before* the drift away from the churches, and *before* the average couple, whether religious or not, had access to anything like the most simple and basic of contraceptive methods (notably, the humble condom), and *before* abortion and *before* the 1960s ‘sexual revolution”, etc.

    People just… had fewer babies, because they knew the ones they were bearing would likely live to adulthood.

    So the people who had been born into huge families of fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen kids (but who had numbers of siblings die in infancy), themselves had families of eight to ten… and then *their* children had families of four or five.

    I’ve done family history. I can see this progression in five or six generations of about a dozen different family lines; and I *know* that all the couples concerned, were devout churchgoing people, of various traditions (Catholic, Methodist, Anglican, Lutheran, Salvation Army). Yet, mysteriously, between the 1850s and the 1930s-1940s, the family sizes get smaller, exactly in synch with the drop in infant mortality rates.

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