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Flynn out at NSA, Petraeus could be all in

Feb 14, 2017 7:59 am By Robert Spencer

Petraeus would be a disaster — a stalwart of the old establishment in an administration that said it would “drain the swamp.”

In May 2016, he published what was essentially an anti Trump screed, saying that proposals to restrict immigration from Muslim countries that are hotspots of jihad terror shouldn’t even be made, so as to avoid offending Muslims.

He was in favor of using al Qaeda jihadis to defeat the Islamic State, which would give us a region full of al-Qaeda jihadis with American weapons and materiel who hate the United States and want to destroy it. (This is essentially what we have now in Syria, where Obama armed “moderates” who were really al-Qaeda jihadis.)

When he headed up the international coalition in Afghanistan, he said that Florida pastor Terry Jones’ plan to burn the Qur’an was “hateful, it was intolerant and it was extremely disrespectful and again, we condemn it in the strongest manner possible.” He warned that the Qur’an-burning would endanger American troops in Afghanistan and elsewhere. He issued a statement saying that he hoped “the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the holy Quran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people.”

I opposed the Qur’an-burning, but not for the reasons Petraeus did. I don’t like the burning of books. And I’d rather that the contents of the Qur’an, and the ways that jihadists use those contents to justify violence, be known. However, Jones was free to do what he wanted to do. Petraeus would have done better to have told the Afghans that in America we have freedom of speech and expression, and that we put up with speech and expression that we dislike without trying to kill the speaker.

He has never shown evidence of having a clue about the jihad threat.

“National Security Council’s Keith Kellogg tapped to succeed Michael Flynn; David Petraeus floated as permanent replacement,” by Nicole Hensley, New York Daily News, February 14, 2017:

The man slated to temporarily take over for ousted National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was one of his right-hand men.

Retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg served as the National Security Council chief of staff under Flynn and was tasked with overhauling the Defense Department under President Trump’s transition team.

Trump announced Kellogg as Flynn’s replacement on Monday night following a tumultuous weekend as the White House turned on the adviser for allegedly lying to senior members of the administration, including Vice President Mike Pence, about pre-inauguration talks with a Russian diplomat. He is accused of offering to lift former President Obama’s sanctions against Russia….

Already the Trump administration is floating names to permanently replace Flynn, including Kellogg. The disgraced former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, David Petraeus, is another one of those suggestions, according to NBC News.

Petraeus has about two months remaining on his two-year probation period for mishandling classified documents. He pleaded guilty in April 2015 after giving secret files to his former mistress and biographer….

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  1. mortimer says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 8:07 am

    There are many military officers who are knowledgeable about jihad. They are self-taught and some may have read Robert Spencer to learn about jihad.

    Robert Spencer would probably know of some excellent candidates personally. A former police chief or prosecutor might have the insight. Someone like former-mayor Giuliani.

    • Virginia Apel says

      Feb 15, 2017 at 2:31 pm

      How bout General Hamm? He knows all about Benghazi and infiltration of the ranks for sure! Anyone but Petraeus, please. He has his own sights on a Rino presidency.

  2. David Scoltock says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 8:08 am

    Amazes me that the right trusts Trump

    • More Ham Ed says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 8:40 am

      Go live in yemen. Oh, that’s right, your country is already turning into that. Hypocrisy.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      You’ve already said you hate America. Why are you even posting here?

  3. RichardL says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 8:21 am

    Petraeus will never get any job in a Trump administration. If there is one thing that DJT is incredibly good at it is judging people’s character. He might surprise everyone by pulling a Guliani out of his hat.

    I trust President Trump.

    • Carrie Rinker-Schaeffer says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 8:24 am

      Well said.

    • Christianblood says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 8:34 am

      Very sad to see the man with the best knowledge of the global jihadist threat in the Trump administration leave office. Gen. Petraeus is from the US politically-correct establishment and has NO understanding or appreciation of the global islamic jihadist threats. Newt Gingrich would be the best man to fill Gen. Flynn’s post.

      • More Ham Ed says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 8:43 am

        Websites are cheap these days.

        http://www.armchairuscritcizer.com

      • TR says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 9:59 am

        I agree on Newt!
        Would Newt Gingrich take the position?

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 14, 2017 at 10:38 am

          TR

          I think he would if approached respectfully. Newt is as smart as hell and he understands the jihadists threat very well. Colonel Alan West would also be another smart choice!

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 14, 2017 at 10:11 pm

          Yes–Allen West is very knowledgeable about Islam.

      • RichardL says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 2:36 pm

        Newt would be awesome!

        West is too brash. He would offer too big a target for the media pansies. I like him though. A lot!

        • Sam says

          Feb 14, 2017 at 4:15 pm

          How could Flynn be so naïve to let enemies in the WH leak his talk with Russia immediately? Big loss for America, good win again for Islam. Haters of America are all over the place. Trump must clean WH NOW.

        • Sam says

          Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 pm

          Brash is what we need now just like Trump. This is war against communism and Islam. There is no escape but fight. Those days of political correctness are gone. Look at the left. Are they PC. Hell no. PC is only for conservatives to follow and we have to get rid of it regardless what the left call us.

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 14, 2017 at 8:24 pm

          Sam posted

          (..How could Flynn be so naïve to let enemies in the WH leak his talk with Russia immediately? Big loss for America, good win again for Islam. Haters of America are all over the place. Trump must clean WH NOW..)

          Very good points! Very true!

      • EYESOPEN says

        Feb 15, 2017 at 9:05 pm

        “Christianblood”: Perhaps you should see my reply to you posted @ 8:54 on 2/15/17 – that is if you can. Currently my post is “awaiting moderation” – perhaps due to the links to the articles in that post. Forget what Newt Gingrich “plays on TV”. Take a good look at the REAL person behind the “false face”.

        (And anyone automatically saying that they “ignore the article” because its primary source happens to be John McManus of The John Birch Society should rein-in their pre-conceived notions and prejudices and weigh what is said on its merits.)

  4. Carrie Rinket-Schaeffer says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 8:23 am

    This is a serious matter. Mr. Spencer is spot on about Petraeus – total disaster. Is there an organized effort to forcefully, yet sanely, make our concerns known? We have to get this right. Thank you for your immense and continuing efforts Mr. Spencer, you are not alone

    • Christianblood says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 8:46 am

      Carrie Rinket-Schaeffer posted

      (..This is a serious matter. Mr. Spencer is spot on about Petraeus – total disaster. Is there an organized effort to forcefully, yet sanely, make our concerns known?..)

      You are right. This is indeed a serious matter and Petraeus is a total disaster who has NO clue about the nature of global islamic jihadis threat.

  5. vlparker says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 9:29 am

    Too bad about Flynn. He understands islam better than anyone else in Washington, but you can’t lie to the VP and expect there not to be any consequences. Petraeus would be a freaking disaster. I surely hope Trump doesn’t pick him. We need to flood the White House with opposition to Petraeus.

    • vlparker says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 9:30 am

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact#page

      • Christianblood says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 10:46 am

        vlparker

        Trump should pick someone who deeply understands the global jihadist threat for NSA post. Newt Gingrich, Stephen Coughlin and Colonel Allen West would all be smart picks for this post.

        • EYESOPEN says

          Feb 15, 2017 at 8:54 pm

          Newt Gingrich would be just as bad a pick – or even worse – than Gen. “Betray-US”. “Newt” is NOT who he “plays on TV”. For any and all who would like to know the REAL Newt Gingrich:

          http://logisticsmonster.com/2010/08/07/the-real-newt-gingrich-new-world-order-globalist/

          http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh307.htm

          http://www.themoralliberal.com/2014/04/11/gingrich-toffler-gore-a-peculiar-trio/

          As the old saying goes: “Don’t listen to what they SAY – watch what they DO.” OR… one can always do both. Ronald Reagan’s idea of “Trust, but verify” comes into play here. If what you uncover is not a conservative, but a Fabian type of “wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing”, then “trust” comes off the table.

  6. pdxnag says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 9:54 am

    How many times worse is partnering with Muslim Brotherhood to slay America, from within? Oh wait, Flynn’s error was to oppose it, perhaps even by talking to Russia about stopping them.

    • vlparker says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 12:54 pm

      No, his error was lying to Pence which is just about the same thing as lying to Trump. If Trump had let him get away with lying to Pence it would have made Pence look unimportant in Trump’s eyes and it would have made Trump look like a fool.

      • Baucent says

        Feb 15, 2017 at 2:56 am

        Unfortunately Flynn shot himself in the foot, not once but twice. The first time was taking that ill advised trip to Russia to a RT television event and sit at the same table as Putin. In truth the Russians set Flynn up. Secondly making the phone call to the Russian ambassador was unwise, and he should have guessed his call could be intercepted. both incidents reveal poor judgement, and much as I like him, he had become a liability to the Administration. Third mistake, lying to your boss, never a good idea.

  7. vlparker says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 9:58 am

    Trump needs to start firing State Dept. and CIA employees who oppose him. Whoever is doing the leaking needs to be sent to jail.

    • TR says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 10:11 am

      State Dept has been a swamp of spooks since the days of FDR.
      CIA going back to the days of inception when OSS recruitment included Communists, the natural enemy of WWII Fascist.

      • Kiel says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 1:05 pm

        It goes the other way around too. After WWII old nazis were hired by CIA to do away with Commies. One might say that makes even.

      • Vic says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 7:43 pm

        Excuse me, TR. I used to work for DoS. I take offense at being called a spook. Just kidding. Yes, DTS. Very much needed.
        Robert Spencer is right. Petraeus is not good for the NSA job because of his history. He would rather compromise. Maybe Stephen Coughlin would be a good choice.

    • Shmooviyet says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      Agreed; also too many ‘Obamists’ still floating around.
      Clear the poison from the area nearest you, before draining the swamp.

      • Kiel says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 1:00 pm

        Precisely! All marked persons from ancien regime have to be removed.

  8. Angemon says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 11:25 am

    Already the Trump administration is floating names to permanently replace Flynn, including Kellogg. The disgraced former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, David Petraeus, is another one of those suggestions, according to NBC News.

    The heat is on.

    • vlparker says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      Out like Flynn, in like Petraeus? Scary.

  9. Kiel says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    What’s at stake here is not only sacking of a prof excellent fit for the task at hand but also the new administration’s trustworthiness. The enemies of the new government include internal civil servants and CIA who are leaking to the MSM the news they are waiting for.
    The picture is very clear now, the Globalist Liberal Utopian Elitists are heading for the golden calf itself: President Donald Trump.

    • Vic says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 7:55 pm

      Exactly. For all his faults, let everyone see that DJT’s highest standard for his administration and for himself is being Trustworthy to the American people. A refreshing concept!

  10. Daniel Triplett says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    Maybe Allen West is the right man for the job.

    But I haven’t done enough research on his Islamic views to be sure.

    DJT should definitely let Steve Bannon be in on the interviews. Bannon seems to understand the threat precisely.

    • David Ramseur says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 2:16 pm

      Allen West is solid and unapologetic in regards to the truth about Islam. So is Frank Gaffney.

      • Daniel Triplett says

        Feb 14, 2017 at 2:21 pm

        Good to hear. Thanks.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Feb 15, 2017 at 9:34 pm

        Frank Gaffney is EXCELLENT about the threat from izlam (sic – on purpose). Not to mention the fact that this would enrage Grover Norquist – an erstwhile “conservative” who has sold out lock-stock-and-barrel to the cause of izlam.

        Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy is an excellent place to find information. But the specific item of interest that is essential is a rather LARGE document entitled: “Sharia – The Threat To America: An Exercise in Competitive Analysis – Report of Team B II” that can be downloaded in PDF format for those who have the time to read the entire document. (There is also an abridged version on the Center for Security Policy website itself.)

        Among its authors are:

        LIEUTENANT GENERAL WILLIAM G. “JERRY” BOYKIN
        US Army (Ret.), former Deputy Undersecretary of
        Defense for Intelligence

        LIEUTENANT GENERAL HARRY EDWARD SOYSTER
        US Army (Ret.), former Director, Defense Intelligence Agency
        Associates

        CHRISTINE BRIM
        Chief Operating Officer, Center for Security Policy

        AMBASSADOR HENRY COOPER
        former Chief Negotiator, Defense and Space Talks, former Director,
        Strategic Defense Initiative

        STEPHEN C. COUGHLIN, ESQ.
        Major (Res.) USA, former Senior Consultant, Office of the Joint Chiefs
        of Staff

        MICHAEL DEL ROSSO
        Senior Fellow, Claremont Institute and Center for Security Policy

        FRANK J. GAFFNEY, JR.
        former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy
        (Acting), President, Center for Security Policy
        JOHN GUANDOLO
        former Special Agent, Counter-Terrorism Division, Federal Bureau of
        Investigation

        BRIAN KENNEDY
        President, Claremont Institute

        CLARE M. LOPEZ
        Senior Fellow, Center for Security Policy

        ADMIRAL JAMES A. “ACE” LYONS
        US Navy (Ret.), former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet

        ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
        former Chief Assistant U.S. Attorney; Senior Fellow, National Review
        Institute; Contributing Editor, National Review

        PATRICK POOLE
        Consultant to the military and law enforcement on anti-terrorism issues

        JOSEPH E. SCHMITZ
        former Inspector General, Department of Defense

        TOM TRENTO
        Executive Director, Florida Security Council

        J. MICHAEL WALLER
        Annenberg Professor of International Communication, Institute
        of World Politics, and Vice President for Information Operations,
        Center for Security Policy

        DIANA WEST
        author and columnist

        R. JAMES WOOLSEY
        former Director of Central Intelligence

        DAVID YERUSHALMI, ESQ.
        General Counsel to the Center for Security Policy

        The down-loadable report can be found here:

        https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/upload/wysiwyg/article%20pdfs/Shariah%20%20The%20Threat%20to%20America%20(Team%20B%20Report)%20Web%2009292010.pdf

  11. David Ramseur says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    Frank Gaffney would be an excellent choice!

  12. Transmaster says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    I think it is going to be Vice Admiral Robert Harward. He is and understudy of General Mattis the Secretary of Defense. President Trump takes great stock in “Mad Dog” Mattis advice.

  13. annmarie says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    Clare Lopez, intelligence expert on middle east, former CIA. .

    • Christianblood says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      NSA post should be ONLY be filled by someone who has in-depth understanding about the nature of the global islamic jihadist threat. The smartest choices for this post would be Newt Gingrich, Col. Allen West, Stephen Coughlin and Frank Gafney.

      • Transmaster says

        Feb 15, 2017 at 1:52 pm

        No they are not the best choice as I predicted Vice Admiral Robert Harward has been offered the job, He is eminently qualified he grew up in Tehran, Iran his father was a Naval attache at the American Embassy. His went to school at the American University of Tehran and was forced to leave the country when the Peanut farmer pulled the rug out from under the Shah of Iran. He remembers being able to travel through the region without the worry of being killed.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 14, 2017 at 10:20 pm

      annmarie, I was not familiar with Clare Lopez. She seems very good, though. More here:

      https://counterjihadreport.com/category/clare-lopez/

      Christianblood, why would you assume Lopez is ignorant?

      • Christianblood says

        Feb 15, 2017 at 8:52 am

        gravenimage & Annmarrie

        Graven, I forgot who Lopez was but when I read your link and watched the clip I immediately remembered her because I saw her speak about these issue some years back and she is really, really terrific! I agree with you and Annmarie that Lopez will just be as good as any of the other names mentioned above, may be even better! Thanks for the link Graven and I do apologize for my sloppiness!

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 15, 2017 at 3:21 pm

          No problem–I was glad to learn about her, as well.

  14. Kepha says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    In the immortal words of Charlie Brown, AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHH!

    It was baad enough that Shrillary Shroooooo could care less about the proper handling of classified info, and smashed machinery to avoid having her carelessness come to light; and Trump and Abe could’ve chosen a more secure location to discuss sensitive matters. Now it’s Petraeus again, who will drop classified info when his membrum virile and 外卵 get itchy.

    I fear for my country.

  15. gravenimage says

    Feb 14, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    Flynn out at NSA, Petraeus could be all in
    …………………

    Oh, *this* is not good.

    Here’s some important stuff from Hugh Fitzgerald on Petraeus. This is from 2010, but the wisdom still holds today:

    “Fitzgerald: Arabia Petraea, Or General Petraeus’ Middle East (Part I)”

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/fitzgerald-arabia-petraea-or-general-petraeus-middle-east-part-i

    “Fitzgerald: Arabia Petraea, Or General Petraeus’ Middle East (Part 2)”

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/fitzgerald-arabia-petraea-or-general-petraeus-middle-east-part-2

    I had never gotten a clear sense of how much Flynn understood about Islam, but Petraeus is an utter ignoramus.

    At best, we may spend the next four–or eight–years taking and losing places like Raqqa, over and over again, at great loss of American lives–not something to look forward to…

    • Daniel Triplett says

      Feb 15, 2017 at 1:21 am

      “At best, we may spend the next four–or eight–years taking and losing places like Raqqa, over and over again, at great loss of American lives–not something to look forward to…”

      Or we could start using the big guns.

      Regardless of who’s calling the shots, these are really our only two choices.

      We just spent 16 years, $6.5 Trillion US, and sacrificed over 6500 Patriots learning that the first method was never going to work.

      • gravenimage says

        Feb 15, 2017 at 3:34 pm

        True, Daniel.

  16. Kay says

    Feb 15, 2017 at 3:04 am

    Sometimes it sounds like we live in a Dickens novel. What names! Betrayus. Hellary. Obamination. Sore-us. Trump.

  17. Debi Brand says

    Feb 15, 2017 at 4:14 am

    “Petraeus would be a disaster — a stalwart of the old establishment in an administration that said it would ‘drain the swamp.’”

    Indeed. In brief.

  18. gravenimage says

    Feb 15, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    Apparently Trump has asked Vice Admiral Robert Harward to take the position. He is a former Navy Seal. He has a lot of counter-terrorism experience–given the uneven quality of anti-terrorism, and its frequent appeasing of Islam, that could be a good or bad thing.

    From what I do know of him he seems at least to be a good guy and a genuinely patriotic American–a good first step, at least, and by no means a given under the Obama administration.

  19. EYESOPEN says

    Feb 15, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    Gen. “Betray-US” would indeed be a disastrous choice to replace Mike Flynn. This might be of interest to any who wonder why “Betray-US” was so against ANY ban on muzlims (sic – on purpose) coming into the U.S.:

    “Why David Petraeus Really Wants You To Shut Up About Islamism”
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/18/why-david-petraeus-really-wants-you-to-shut-up-about-islamism/

  20. EYESOPEN says

    Feb 15, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    *** possible dup posting (My other attempt failed to post) ***

    Off-topic on the issue of Mike Flynn’s ouster; but of interest nevertheless. This latest from Frank Gaffney:

    “How Can House Democrats’ Muslim IT Scandal Not be News?”

    Imagine the following: A small group of white supremacist computer geeks were discovered to be stealing government property from dozens of Republican congressional offices for whom they provided information technology services. They are also suspected of stealing legislators’ emails and other House communications – possibly including traffic involving the most sensitive national security-related committees on which some of their employers served.

    Think this story would be basically ignored by the mainstream media?

    Well, that is exactly what is happening to an actual scandal with all these features – only the congressmen are all Democrats and the IT contractors are all Muslims, originally from Pakistan. And with the notable exception of the Daily Caller and a few other, online publications, all we’ve heard from the press has been crickets.

    This travesty demands a rigorous damage-assessment, an overhauled counter-intelligence capability and a truly free press.

    source: http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/02/15/how-can-house-democrats-muslim-it-scandal-not-be-news/

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