It’s noteworthy that Bush is speaking out against President Trump, but remained almost completely mum during eight years of Obama. This is because he is an establishment Republican, and the establishment Republicans proved themselves during the 2016 presidential campaign to be partners, colleagues and allies with the Democrats in the Republican establishment, with only Trump and his supporters representing a legitimate alternative. So it is completely understandable that one month into Trump’s presidency, Bush would be hitting him as he never hit Obama; he is on Obama’s establishment Washington team, not Trump’s.
In response to Lauer’s asking him about Trump’s statement that the media is the enemy of the American people, Bush says: “I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy. We need an independent media to hold people like me to account.”
This is not surprising, since this is the fiction that the Washington establishment wants you to swallow: that we have an independent media that holds the powerful to account. In reality, the establishment media is simply a propaganda arm of the hard-Left; it holds Trump to account, or claims to, but wouldn’t dream of holding Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton to account in any similar way. An independent media? Really? Imagine what would happen to a journalist who reported favorably on CNN about anything Trump did; that journalist would be quickly be ridiculed, refuted, repudiated, and forced to resign. Trump is not threatening the freedom of the press; he is calling the media out on its hypocrisy and dishonesty, and unmaking establishment news outlets as the propaganda organs they really are. Bush, who was savaged in the press himself (since the establishment doesn’t like establishment Republicans any more than it likes swamp-drainers, despite the establishment Republicans’ kowtowing), ought to be supporting Trump on this, not attacking him over it.
It gets worse. In response to Lauer’s question about Trump’s immigration ban, Bush says: “I think it’s very important for all of us to recognize one of our great strengths is for people to be able to worship the way they want to or to not worship at all. A bedrock of our freedom is the right to worship freely.”
How does Trump’s ban, which was motivated by national security concerns, threaten anyone’s religious freedom? Bush didn’t explain, and of course Lauer, having gotten the answer he wanted, didn’t ask him to. Does Bush consider the First Amendment’s protection of the freedom of religion to be a license to commit treason and sedition? Neither Lauer nor anyone else will dare ask him that.
And then we get more of the willful ignorance and denial that marked Bush’s response to the jihad threat starting from just a few days after 9/11: “I understood right off the bat that this was an ideological conflict and people who murder the innocent are not religious people.”
He doesn’t explain, of course, and Lauer doesn’t ask him, of course, about how some Muslim clerics don’t believe non-Muslims are innocent. Nor does he explain why these people who are “not religious” are so very, well, religious. The Islamic State, for example, quotes the Qur’an frequently: in threats to blow up the White House and conquer Rome and Spain; in explaining its priorities in the nations it is targeting in jihad; in preaching to Christians after collecting the jizya (a Qur’an-based tax, cf. Qur’an 9:29); in justifying the execution of accused spies; and in its various videos. It has also awarded $10,000 prizes and sex slaves in Qur’an memorization contests. One of its underground lairs was found littered with weapons and copies of the Qur’an. Children in the Islamic State study the Qur’an and get weapons training. One Malaysian Muslim said that the Qur’an led him to join the Islamic State. A Muslima in the U.S. promoted the Islamic State by quoting the Qur’an. An Islamic State propagandist’s parents said of him: “Our son is a devout Muslim. He had learnt the Quran by heart.” A Muslim politician from Jordan said that the Islamic State’s “doctrine stems from the Qur’an and Sunnah.”
But they’re “not religious.” That’s establishment Washington dogma. It is also completely false, and hinders our ability to understand the motives and goals of the enemy.
“George W. Bush critiques Trump on travel ban, free press,” by Abby Phillip, Washington Post, February 27, 2017:
Former president George W. Bush rarely weighs in on current political events, but on Monday, he offered some of his most pointed critiques of President Trump’s statements and policies in an interview with NBC News’ “Today” show.
Asked about Trump’s claim that the media is the “enemy of the people,” Bush warned that an independent press is essential to democracy and that denouncing the press at home makes it difficult for the United States to preach democratic values abroad.
“I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy,” Bush said. “We need an independent media to hold people like me to account.
“Power can be very addictive and it can be corrosive and it’s important for the media to call to account people who abuse power, whether it be here or elsewhere,” he added.
Bush noted that during his presidency, he sought to persuade people like Russian President Vladimir Putin to respect a free press.
“It’s kind of hard to tell others to have an independent free press when we’re not willing to have one ourselves,” Bush said….
Lauer sought to pin Bush down on his position on Trump’s travel ban, which Bush refused to endorse.
Instead, he offered a defense of religious freedom, warning that the terror threat is not a religious war but an ideological one.
“I think it’s very important for all of us to recognize one of our great strengths is for people to be able to worship the way they want to or to not worship at all,” Bush said. “A bedrock of our freedom is the right to worship freely.”
“I understood right off the bat that this was an ideological conflict and people who murder the innocent are not religious people — they want to advance an ideology and we have faced those kinds of ideologues in the past,” he added.
Pressed to state clearly whether he supports or opposes the ban, Bush would only say “I am for an immigration policy that’s welcoming and upholds the law.”
miriamrove says
What is wrong with these people? Besides Trump does not give a …. m
john spielman says
George Bush is guilty of aiding and abetting the enemy- Saudi Arabia! He can’t recognize an islamic fundamentalist, even though one (Bin Laden) bit him on his a**
maghan says
He always came across as dumb. Maybe, he actually is. Rich and dumb–not and oxymoron.
Shane says
The Bush family has been purchased by rich Saudis, so don’t expect any Bush to label Islam as the religion of War and Misogyny that it is. Better that W. shut up rather than to tell these lies!
Havoc says
Sometimes, I think Jeb! taught W everything he knows – or, vice versa.
mortimer says
The Bushes did not study Islam independently. They merely repeat the DISINFORMATION they hear from MEGA-RICH Saudi princelings who feed them their governments propaganda.
ISLAM MANDATES WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS.
Terry says
Was interesting- during the primaries, ONE OF JEB’S SONS WAS WORKING FOR TRUMP, in Texas.
Possibly he and his daddy, George H. W. were upset that Trump called jeb pathetic. (Living in FL., the best that I could say about Jeb as governor- he was mediocre, but somewhat better than his opponents would ahve been).
bob says
Why would Americans listen to little bush , he declared war on Iraq with lies and phony in-tell and he knew it, this man sent thousands of service personal to their death, and destroyed 100s of thousand of families , this clown should be in jail along with Rumsfeld, Chaney and the last idiot I can t remember his name.
Diane Harvey says
No Islam-aware person will ever forget (or forgive) Bush’s utterly irresponsible statement in the days following 911.
“These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it’s important for my fellow Americans to understand that.
“The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.
The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.”
The full statement of Bush’s deceptive nonsense can be found here,
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
C T says
When will these politicians learn that there is more to Sunni and Shi’a Islam than just the Quran? They look like morons.
john spielman says
that’s because they ARE morons
JawsV says
W is the moron who told us after 9/11 that Islam was the “religion of peace.” Dolt.
Terry says
W is the moron, who also, after 911 STOPPED ALL COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS, BUT LET THE BEN LADIN FAMILY LEAVE THE US, WITHOUT THE FBI QUESTIONING THEM.
And, Both George W & Bill Clinton before him, had opportunities to kill Ben Ladin, and passed them by. (One was in Libya, the other in Afghanistan, as I remember)
Custos Custodum says
Nothing “moronic” about shutting down much of the economy and letting the Saudi bosses fly home.
Bush and Transport Secretary Norman Yoshio Mineta were loyal stooges who did as they were told by their masters.
maghan says
Money talks and Islamic terror walks. Now who said that?
Westman says
” A bedrock of our freedom is the right to worship freely.” – GWB.
That means worshiping whatever, wherever, and whenever we choose. When was that right granted by Islam? Mohammad’s sending muderers to burn people in their homes for not attending masjid prayers is freedom of religion?
Go back to painting and writing books, George. You certainly haven’t spent much time reading books. Ignorance, and believing your Saudi buddies who spread Wahhabism, really does create temporary bliss.
maghan says
Can George write a book without someone holding his hand and dictating to him? Georgie Porgie….
Terry says
Some years ago, there was a cartoon I saw somewhere- ‘ THE GEORGE W. BUSH LIBRARY”.
It had 3 or 4 comic books and about half a dozen coloring books and connect the dots books (I had these when I was about 4 or 5).
Herbert J Smith says
Bush a brainless fool. How he was ever the President I’ll never know.
Terry says
Look who his opponents were.
And, he was George H. W.’s son.
Somebody says
This idiot started “THE GREEN BELT PROJECT”. When Americans stop supporting Islam when mother fuckers when !!!!!!
More Ham Ed says
“When Americans stop supporting Islam…”
Another broad-brush alert. I suspect a russian ip addr. here.
Somebody says
No I am Turkish … Oh meanwhile the most dangerous imam lives in pennsylvania named Fethullah Gulen (Turkish imam). If you want to convince us please send him to the moon. If you keep feeding him and his organisation than do not say the US is against jihad ok.
R Russell says
Do you believe Erdogan is the Mahdi? The media from Turkey gives that impression.
More Ham Ed says
Make sure you get the last word in (every time). A sign of arrogance.
Christianblood says
Somebody
You are right. America backs islamic jihadists worldwide. Fethullah Gülen is an MB islamist and America keeps him in the US hoping that he will one day he will unleash an islamic revolution in Turkey like he almost did a few months ago in the failed Coup in Turkey.
Just yesterday yesterday, jihadist-loving America awarded an “Oscar” to an Al-Qaeda branch in Syria known as the “White Helmets” and this is totally unreported even in Anti-Jihad websites in the West.Please read more of this on the link below and watch the video to know the real identity of the so-called “White Helmets”:
http://theduran.com/oscar-documentary-short-goes-isis-al-qaeda/
Christianblood says
R Russel
Say no evil about Erdogan. He is a Nato member and therefore a US ally!
Christianblood says
Nice cartoon about Al-Qaeda’s “White Helmets” winning an “Oskar” from the US-based pro-jihadist “Holly Wood” organization:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5v-BRCWQAENpZk.jpg
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
You are right. America backs islamic jihadists worldwide. Fethullah Gülen is an MB islamist and America keeps him in the US hoping that he will one day he will unleash an islamic revolution in Turkey
………………….
Good God, what rot. The average American has no idea who Fethullah Gülen is, nor that he is hanging his hat in rural Pennsylvania. Gülen keeps a deliberately low profile, and makes no public appearances.
The idea that the average American is slavering with delight over the specter of Turkey becoming even more Islamist is just grotesque calumny.
Somebody says
One of Pro Erdogan supportwe look what are they planning??
https://twitter.com/tevfik_uygur/status/836995139302264832
Somebody says
Erdogan is the satan, yes 50% of people here believes that he is mahdi or prophet 🙁
Somebody says
Erdogan, Fethullah and all other imams are enemies of humanity, I can swear on that.
Christianblood says
Somebody
Erdogan may be the ‘satan’ as you say but he is also a Nato member and therefore a US ally and that this why US and Nato keep their anti-Russian nukes at Incirlik air base. Just as the Saudis, Qataris and various other islamic jihadist groups such as Al-Nusra Front are US allies, Erdogan is also a close US ally. Watch:
Eric Jones says
Bottom line both Gulen and Erdogan are not to be trusted. USA and Europe must wise up. Islam must be defeated.
Eric
Somebody says
I am only desperate not arrogant we are stuck with isis, al kaide, all sorts of muslim freaks, erdogan is also leading the muslim brotherhood. Therefore the situation here is unbearable. Maybe that is why I am writing like this. I don’t know, I just want islam to disappear from the face of world. Thinking in my own language and writing in English is also difficult. But in summary I am against islam because jihad is only one part of islam.
Christianblood says
Somebody posted
(..I am only desperate not arrogant we are stuck with isis, al kaide, all sorts of muslim freaks, erdogan is also leading the muslim brotherhood. Therefore the situation here is unbearable. Maybe that is why I am writing like this. I don’t know, I just want islam to disappear from the face of world..)
You are a good human being with good heart and conscience! Keep up the good work and keep posting your beautiful thoughts!
gravenimage says
What is your background, Somebody? Are you one of the rare Christians or other religious minorities in Turkey, or an apostate from Islam?
With secularism eroding under Erdogan, I hope you keep safe.
Somebody says
From us to you 😉
gravenimage says
That is a beautiful piece, Somebody–thank you.
jihad3tracker says
THIS INTERVIEW WILL PROBABLY GET MUCH ATTENTION BY YOUR TOWN’S ESTABLISHMENT NEWS WEBSITES OR OLD-STYLE PRINT PAPERS..
So if a bit of spare time appears, consider a reply to the most-left editorial among those you read. Robert’s pushback points are so on target that they can be used with close paraphrase.
common sense says
Puppet, profiteer, a harvester of sorrow. Just about as bad as Obama.
Some resistance is starting in Europe, I hope these patriots realize that they cannot stop once they start. Islam wont.
Great editing on the world news without the spin, highly recommended.
https://youtu.be/LKXiBS9zuRQ
Mccode says
The missing idiot has returned to his Texas village.
Thank God this maroon is finished.
Too bad Lapdog Lauer missed his opportunity to follow up when the Shrub let out his hypocritical statement of the press needing to hold accountable those in power.
Santiago says
Ted Cruz was far more legitimate than Trump.
Havoc says
GFB has learned absolutely nothing in the sixteen years since 9-11. He is pathetic.
JawsV says
You mean GWB. Maybe he has learned but is too embarrassed to admit the horrible mistake he made calling Islam “peace.”
Havoc says
Actually, I did mean, ‘GFB’.
Dexter L. Wilson says
What country does he live in. The ISIS people are the most religious of the Muslims actually following exactly what the prophet told them Muslims to do!
Jon Sobieski says
George Bush still hasn’t read the koran after all these years. What a lump.
davej says
The problem is that Islamic “worship” includes raping your wife and daughters, killing you and imposing their laws on your country. This is done by individuals who think they are “religious people”. So maybe there should be some limits on freedom of worship, do ya think?
Bush was a traitor to his own country when he misled the American people with his cowardly wishful thinking about the “religion of peace”.
gravenimage says
davej wrote:
The problem is that Islamic “worship” includes raping your wife and daughters, killing you and imposing their laws on your country.
……………….
All too true.
Milad Meah says
Will he with the brains of a fish ever learn
Cretius says
Stupid is stupid does. George W. is another grand example. Bush would not recognise a Muslim Jihadist if it came up and bit him on the arse!
revereridesagain says
Dubya must be afraid his little Saudi friends will be offended. What a tool. Maybe he’d like to argue the point with those imams at Al Azhar University who have certified ISIS as Islamic fresh. I’d chip in to pay for the trip.
mortimer says
Agreeing with Robert Spencer: IT IS A FICTION that the media are independent. They ‘flavor’ the news by leaving out important details and by their COMPLETE FAILURE TO GAIN THE BASICS OF ISLAMIC DOCTRINES more than 15 years following 9/11.
This would be like a medical doctor practicing with learning how to recognize CANCER. In fact, medical doctors can spot CANCER from the smallest bits of evidence in a patient’s health, such as color, temperature, breathing, variations in a blood test.
JOURNALISTS should ALL have enough knowledge of Islam to be able to see MINUTE clues of jihadism.
If journalists cannot detect jihad, THEY ARE USELESS TWITS.
mortimer says
Correction: This would be like a medical doctor practicing WITHOUT LEARNING how to recognize CANCER !
Bush and the media still have not learned about JIHAD/warfare against disbelievers 15 YEARS after 9/11. GROSS NEGLIGENCE !
John A. Marre says
Not a word from Bush during 8 years of a man who played for the opposing team. Suddenly he finds his voice while the country is governed by a man who fully understands the deadly threat from radical Islamic terrorism.
mortimer says
ISLAMIC CLERICS CONTRADICT BUSH regarding the RELIGIOUS DUTY of HATING DISBELIEVERS :
• “ to show enmity to those who show enmity to Allaah and His Messenger” (i.e. Muslims are to visibly demonstrate their enmity or towards non-Muslims), Khalid El-Gharib, “The Islaamic Concept of al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’”, https://www.kalamullah.com/manhaj14.html
• “The implication of al-Baraa is that one HATES for the sake of Allah (SWT)…Al-Baraa means to recognize who your enemies are and to HATE them and EXTERMINATE them in their Endeavour to get rid of your Deen, al-Islam…Al-Baraa is to HATE the people who propagate Baatil (falsehood)—the Muslim should HATE them and (at least desire to) KILL them when the time comes.” (i.e. al Baraa prepares Muslims to exterminate non-Muslims), Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal, lecture, https://youtu.be/jUgDJmpmj14?t=855
• “The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”, Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), (letter No. 163)
• “… true believers show animosity and hatred towards disbelievers and never support them.”- from ibn Taymiyya, The Book of Faith (“Kitab al Iman”) – ISBN: 9781615842872
• “The Muslim should regard the Kuffaar as enemies and hate them because of their kufr, just as he hates their kufr (disbelief) itself.” – Umar Sulayman ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ashqar, “Belief in Allah”, http://www.kalamullah.com/belief-in-allah.html, (engl.2002)
• “The doctrine of al Wala wal Baraa is the real image for the actual practice of this faith.” Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, (Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca), “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”), https://islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/al-wala-wal-bara-according-to-the-aqeedah-of-the-salaf-parts-123/, (1992AD-1413DH)
More Ham Ed says
“That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace.” – G.W. Bush September 17, 2001.
30388 deadly documented ISLAMIC terror attacks since 9/11.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
“In response to Lauer’s asking him [Bush] about Trump’s statement that the media is the enemy of the American people…”
Trump didn’t say that. He said fake media.
“[Bush] is on Obama’s establishment Washington team, not Trump’s.”
Well Bush wouldn’t wanna’ make the UAE or Saudi Arabia mad now would he, they might be interested in taking charge of some of our [sea] ports!
Good article Robert, maximum detail as always, thank you.
JawsV says
“Islam is peace.” – Geo W Bush
What a joke! Islam is war and conquest, you dunce!
Manuel 2 Paleologus says
I voted fro him but he is better off to take care of his Texas farms.
His time is gone.
He should be quite as he was for 8 years.
eduardo odraude says
Wait — it turns out George Bush is just as stupid as John Kerry.
Ultimately, I don’t think it is the hard left that rules the media. The left could not keep people silent on these issues. Ultimately, people are physically afraid to criticize Islam. Very few people are prepared to be martyrs — consequently very few people spend the necessary time studying Islam so as to be in a position to inform the public that we are dealing with a very dangerous totalitarian movement. Support Robert’s AFDI. Join Brigitte Gabriel’s group.
KrazyKafir says
Wow! Good ole George proves…again… to be a colossal know nothing. This is the simpleton responsible for America’s biggest foreign policy disaster…. ever…. in its country’s history. Here is the fool who thought Iraq was America’s biggest enemy, all the while in reality, it is his two allies, the Saudis and Pakistan. And then thought is was a good idea to nation build where it could never happen. All because when it comes to Islam he is a Olympic class know nothing.
Wellington says
I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Considering the alternatives, Gore and Kerry respectively, I wasn’t really left with a choice. But back then I had respect for Bush and so my two votes here were not just cast against someone but for someone also. I now can see without doubt that any confidence I had in Bush was misplaced. He has learned nothing and a person who has many opportunities to learn and learns nothing is someone whom I can no longer respect. On the most important issue of our time, getting Islam down correctly, George W. Bush has remained willfully ignorant and I am now done with him, with all the Bushes actually, and with a hell of a lot of other Republicans too. The Democrats of course are beyond the Pale and fill me with contempt.
President Trump is correct on many, many issues, and he certainly “gets” Islam better than any of his recent predecessors notwithstanding his appointment of McMaster as National Security Adviser (I use the word “recent” because Thomas Jefferson did call the Koran demonic and John Quincy Adams pegged Islam and Mohammed quite accurately), but what is so disconcerting is that he is largely alone and fighting one uphill struggle after another. Right now, as I opined before here at JW, Donald Trump is the most powerful voice for freedom in all the world and lesser people oppose him, despise him even, and set up straw dogs that they then knock down in order to thwart him all the more, for instance averring that Trump is against a free and independent press when what he is against is a highly biased, many times ignorant and often outright mendacious press.
It’s a profoundly troubling age we live in because truth is becoming a rarer and rarer commodity and little people everywhere continue to chip away at what truth is left. The 43rd President is such a little person. Shame on him. I admire him no more.
gravenimage says
Yes–the alternatives were worse.
Rev g says
Trump should extend an olive branch, provide a forum for islamic religious leaders to address misconceptions about islam, to answer questions and concerns. Of course, by controlling the setting, he could also ensure that the crowd would be peppered liberally with anti-jihadists, and that they were called upon.
Since Trump has a flair for promotion it would be egg on islam to refuse such an audience or to limit certain persons from attending. After all, this is a big chance to educate the world, if they dare.
Frank Anderson says
Can I imagine what would have happened. . .? No, I can remember what happened when the idiot Neville Chamberlain “extended an olive branch” to Hitler: WWII and the Holocaust, which is continuing as a result of Hitler’s troubleshooter Otto Skorzeny training and leading muslim terrorists from Egypt, Why would any arguably sane person add to the deliberate ignorance of some and the utter confusion of others by joining with those who practice lying as a deep and essential part of their “religion”?
Frequently forgotten there is a Commandment agreed by Christians and Jews: “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” This directly contradicts M’s commandment, “Thou shalt lie to Infidels whenever advantage can be obtained.” How utterly foolish is it to promote in any manner lies, distortions and confusion with a cowardly and gutless appeasement to 1400 years of evil? Even Chamberlain finally realized how badly he had misjudged Hitler. Too little; too late. Approximately 70 Million people died during the “official” dates of WWII and the slaughter continues. How long before Chamberlain’s copycats get the message? Never in 1400 years has anyone negotiated a reversal of a Muslim conquest. So, what has changed? Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905) “Those who cannot remember the lessons of the past. . .”
Rev g says
Wow, trying to equivocate the ceding of the sudetenland with the holding of a conference to expose the truths of Islam to public purview.
Talk about somebody unclear on concepts.
Frank Anderson says
Your amazing proposal of a “conference” with presidential participation, is an appeasement as thoughtless and absurd as Chamberlain’s idiotic quick flights to Germany that destroyed pending plans to overthrow Hitler by German officers.
By doing what Chamberlain did, Hitler gained respect and dodged the only real chance of overthrow before the war. You could possibly benefit by a more detailed review of events in Germany before WWII. Given that followers of M lie whenever advantage can be obtained, what is the point of providing yet another forum, with presidential support, to tell more lies. “The religion of peace”? Not according to any of the books, and certainly not from any of the 1400 years of murder and conquest.
Is a decision to resist being avoided, practicing Viktor Frankl’s “delusion of a reprieve”? There has been no reprieve from Islam in 1400 years. Back to Santayana and lessons of the past.
Rev g says
I apologize if perhaps the words went over your head. Maybe you should read them really slowly, and use a dictionary. Then you might see that it is an expose’, not an appeasement by any means. Neville Chamberlain had a lot more on the ball than you, it seems.
It would put islam on the spot on a huge forum, and even declining to take part would open scrutiny.
Frank Anderson says
Rev, before we get to arguing who has the smaller and emptier head, why can you possibly imagine achieving any benefit from yet another “conference” to “expose” Islam? Islam has been exposing itself for 1400 years, and there are still many hard-headed dolts who refuse to believe that what is practiced is also what has been taught for the entire time that standard, orthodox Islam has infected the world.
Neville Chamberlain believed falsely in his “great insight” and “powerful negotiating skills”. Hitler intimidated Chamberlain, and the entire British government, Daladier and the entire French government into appeasement, until finally “peace at any price” proved to be a groundless hope. Don’t you think that in 1400 years of Islamic conquest there have been countless and fruitless efforts to “expose” Islam for the evil it is? How much more exposure is needed, or worth the effort?
Einstein’s description of insanity, “Doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result” appears lost in your thoughts. Why do you think there would be a different result now? I’d appreciate your analysis?
Rev g says
Obviously you do not read well. Nor have you heard the treatment Islam is given in today’s press.
I will just cha you up as dense and call it done.
Frank Anderson says
Rev, in over 66 years and 22 years of education I have been “cha” ed as many things; but dense is new. You seem to be too convinced of your own brilliance, much like the late great Chamberlain and the more recent BHO, to accept that someone can see through that brilliance to the ignorance that is in control. You can express no reason why a different result of “exposure” should take place now when Islam is unchanged in its teachings and practices for 1400 years. Dense is too polite a word for some people. Nobody at any time anywhere has ever talked Islam out of a conquest, True or False? If False when and where? Only were resisted by force has Islamic conquest been halted and reversed, True or False?
Hopefully our President has better sense than to follow your advice.
Rev g says
Wow, ding me for the phone dropping letters, how brilliant! The word was chalked, fyi.
Your predilection with Chamberlain is alarming, you seem to want to compare everything to him. Maybe that is the only history you can remember. Was he featured on history channel recently?
Your need to make that seriously invalid comparison must be clouding your reading ability, like I said, go slow, and use a dictionary.
Frank Anderson says
As brilliant as you claim to be you have not answered the simple true or false questions; 1) Has anyone in the 1400 years of Islamic conquest ever talked their way out of being conquered? 2) Has the Islamic conquest ever been halted or reversed by any means other than force?
Shoot at me with words or bullets. Get in line. I am used to it and have done well with those who tried. But answer the questions or be exposed as the ignorant coward that you are. Grow something that matters and show that you can do something besides raving and pining.
Rev G says
Never said I was brilliant, never said words could defeat Islam, or had. So nowhere are playing Goebbels,huh? If the facts don’t fit, make shit up.
Again, read slow and use a dictionary. Maybe even take notes to keep track, ok?
Rev g says
Seriously, are you slow? To draw Islamic apologists into a public Q&A where they do not control the list of questioners/questions would be a coup of information distribution if it could be pulled off. It would serve well to counter the narrative being pushed by media, liberals, the pope, etc….how you could equate that with ceding of territory a la Chamberlain places you somewhere in the far left field.
I am sure Mr. Spencer, Dr. Warner, and many others would relish a chance to participate if such a forum could be set up. Perhaps Trump has the gall to instigate and make such a situation possible.
gravenimage says
Rev G, I get that what you are saying is that such a conference can serve as *an exposure* of Islam.
But I don’t know that Trump’s grasp of Islam extends to Taqiyya–so while I don’t agree at all with Frank that your intention would be the whitewash of Islam, that is indeed what it might end up being, as Imams and other Muslim apologists would lie like rugs about Islam being a “religion of peace”.
Rev G says
Trump doesn’t need to be an Islamic expert, his task would be to bait Islam into being confronted by those who are.
mortimer says
BREAKING NEWS !!! BUSH KNOWS ISLAM BETTER THAN PhD ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO STUDY ISLAM THEIR WHOLE LIFE !!!
Caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, who is the ISIS chief and the caliph of the Islamic State, is apparently the first Islamic Studies PhD from a Muslim background who has no idea about Islam.
Al-Baghdadi, who has obtained BA, MA and PhD degrees in Islamic studies from the Islamic University in Baghdad, has been condemned as a person who knows nothing about Islam, and as the head of an organization that has nothing to do with Islam.
The professors from the Islamic University of Baghdad, however, do not agree. They taught the caliph and believe his credentials and doctrines are sound.
“If a person who has a PhD in Islamic studies and does nothing but study the Islamic scriptures knows nothing about Islam, then who does?” questioned al-Baghdadi’s main teacher from the Islamic University, preferring to remain anonymous since the fatwa against ISIS and its chief puts his reputation into jeopardy.
“The wine-sipping Muslims, those hedonistic adulterers will tell the world what true Islam is? Obama and Cameron know more about Islam than the faculty of Islamic studies at the Islamic University in Baghdad?” the professor bellowed with rage, while talking to a journalist.
Another professor, who had taught al-Baghdadi for his BA, said off the record that the ISIS caliph was an ardent student.
“He had this obsession with Islamic studies. I used to tell him to go out and have some fun sometimes. But his idea of fun wasn’t too human friendly,” the professor said. “In any case he was a top student. One of the best I’ve ever had. Had the entire syllabus on his finger tips – to be honest, he knew more about Islamic studies than most of the professors.”
“While you can question whether they are humans or not, there is no doubt that ISIS, including Abu Bakr (al Baghdadi), are indeed bona fide Muslims,” concluded the ISIS caliph’s PhD professor.
no_one says
PhD in Islamic studies sounds really weird. Like it can compare to a PhD in STEM. It is a bit strange to call these “scholars”.
Rev g says
Yet somehow these not very religious people have the complicity of mosques around the world in recruiting and supporting their actions.
Doesn’t pass the sniff test, huh?
gravenimage says
Indeed not, Rev G. On the few occasions this has actually been properly investigated, it proves that the Imam is preaching Jihad. Of course, this is mainstream Islam.
Lady fair says
Did we ever consider that this country has already been. Taken over by Islamists? Muslims have been waging jihad since Mohamed….. I think the globalist are using Islam for the takeover. Why do we even care about how our citizens view Muslims and why would we just open our. Borders to them?
StacyGirl says
I get the feeling often- the groveling media, politicians of all stripes, and Christian as well as Jewish leaders. The clear majority support Muslims and the idea that they have rights here. The hugely unsuccessful war: Bush said “we have to fight them over there so we won’t be fighting them over HERE.” He let millions of them over HERE. it’s sickening.
gravenimage says
This is the scourge of “political correctness”, and denial over the threat of Islam. Muslims themselves make up less than 1% of the population here.
JayT says
On principle I prefer conservative ideals over liberal and progressive. But the Bush brothers have been a hard pill to swallow with how simply dumb they are on Islam.
This is the guy, George Dimwit Bush who parked the original Somali Muslim horde in the U.S. and subsequently within Minnesota. Did he ask the American people if he could do this? Yes, legally, he doesn’t have to, but look at how predictable it was to see how that gift that keeps on giving worked out?
Then, of course, was this useful idiot’s speech after 9/11 which you could almost swap in Obama for all the difference one would notice. And wasn’t the bearded smiling devils standing behind Bush the CAIR members?
Maybe Bush and John McCain and Pelosi should have a contest to see who can get the most Jihadis in the background of a smiling photograph of themselves?
Angemon says
Ha! Bush, what a joker! 🙂
Michael Johnson says
This from the man that said Islam is a religion of peace it doesn’t shock me really it doesn’t these people have no clue about Islam at all
Steve Klein says
OT but not unrelated, speaking of George W. Bush:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/321605-trump-pitches-37-percent-cut-to-state-budget-reports
‘Trump pitches 37 percent cut to State Department budget
BY MARK HENSCH – 02/28/17 02:16 PM EST
Custos Custodum says
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of pinstriped pantywaists.
Sam says
How can presidents of USA not know what Islam is? Look at Obama, Jimmy Carter, Bushes, Reagan, and maybe Trump. How can this be with all the information at their disposal?
Pong says
In my opinion George W. “Nucular” Bush was the worst presidenr in the 20th century. Most people put him at number 3 after Obama and Carter, but I think he is worse. Carter, as pathetic as he was, paved the way for Regan. Bush gave us obama. Obama’s support for islam came from conviction, Bush’s from stupidity and greed. Bush is responsible for the failure of american foreign policies in the ME, economic collapse, moslem invasion and the loss of many lives.
This interview is nauseating. Both Lauer and Bush are two individuals only mothers can love.
Mark A says
Shortly after 9/11, George W. also called Islam a “religion of peace” which it clearly is not.
I don’t think George W. can be taken seriously in his views of what Islam is or is not.
somehistory says
Semantics. The word *religious* has been used to describe a guy (or gal) who does something every day, day in and day out, without fail. Such as, “Bob exercises religiously.” “Nancy brushes her teeth religiously.”
The definition of ideologies: the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual or a group
This definition fits islam, which its adherents follow *religiously.*
islam, whether it is said to be a religion or an ideology, is evil. islam is the core of the motivation of the terrorists. islam is the reason for the terrorism, the mass murders, the beheadings, the rapes of children, the institutionalized rape of children through the selling of babies to dirty, filthy, nasty old moslim creatures of demon heritage. islam is the reason for the terrorism.
mortimer says
BUSH thinks he knows more about JIHAD than MOHAMMED!
Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in JIHAD, RELIGIOUS FIGHTING in Allah’s Cause.'”
BlueRaven says
I don’t see any difference between an ideology and a religion – can anyone, except Bush? – a pathetic moron.
Voytek Gagalka says
This man should be held PERSONALLY accountable for completely misguided and unnecessary Iraqi war which cost TRILLIONS and over 4000 lives of well trained American soldiers. SHAME on him! He cowardly kept his mouth shut during Obama regime; he should better keep his lying mouth shut today and beyond. Whom he desires to convince, idiot? Leftists despised him always before (called him “moron,” fantasized about his assassination) and will continue to do so in the future, too.
David M says
I 100% agree. Bush & Blair are both war criminals who started an illegal war in Iraq, & both should be in an international court answering charges.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, & there were no weapons of mass destruction. Bush had an agenda he pursued, while ignoring his buddies in Saudi Arabia who provided the hijackers. Bush was told months before 9/11 an attack was imminent, possible using planes, & he completely ignored it then lied about it afterwards.
mortimer says
People like Bush who say ‘jihadis are not religious’ people’ are CLUELESS about JIHAD//warfare against disbelievers.
““I have been ordered to fight (and kill) the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah.”” – “Sahih Bukhari 1:2:25”
vlparker says
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it. – Vladimir Lenin
The Bushes are really Democrats just pretending to be Republicans. Big spending, big debt Democrats.
Mateen Elass says
The “free press” and “moderate Muslims”: two groups that George W. Bush seriously misunderestimates…
Craig W says
Whatever George … they just happened to meet a radical Mullah who pushed them along their path of becoming atheist, who’s last words are to take Allah’s name in vain!
Ralph says
George told us after 9/11 that Islam was the religion of peace, all the while his administration facilitated the escape of Saudi agents responsible for supporting that atrocity. Was this because of his families position in the Middle East, or was he just plain stupid. I’m glad to report that with this piece of information, stupid seems far more likely.
gravenimage says
George W. Bush hits Trump, says Islamic jihadis “are not religious people”
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Clearly, George W. Bush has leaned nothing since he was president.
I was going to note that he said almost nothing over the eight years the egregious Barack Hussein Obama was in the White House, but he has to ring in here with whitewash for Islam. Absurd.
Eric Jones says
Somebody go to the state store and get George W Bush another gallon of vodka so that he can disappear for another eight years.
Eric
brane pilot says
This common drunk is a war criminal and traitor who spent over a Trillion dollars to set the world on fire, for no reason.
He should hang by the neck until dead, not be quoted when he ‘breaks his silence’.
common sense says
Voting for those who have held office due political leanings is fine if I can say.
In 2008 I warned people of Obama’s treachery and that of the so called progressives, even after 6 years I held nothing against democrats. We all do the best with what we are offered I get that. Then came the Iran nuclear deal, all bets were off. Many Dems in Cali understood how bad that deal is for the world and were not happy they voted for him the 2nd time, among many other things. (And somehow I need approval to vote for and stand with Trump) HYPOCRISIZERS hah!
A lot of people that voted for W were not happy either but thats ok you DO NOT still cherish him just because he puts an R by his name. That’s the dif. We learned, W did not.
Those miscreants that still tout Obama as a savior NEVER will admit his treasonous behaviour. I throw glaring red hot facts in the face of Cali libs and they don’t even flinch, they are trained puppets incapable of individual thought and critical thinking. Most times they lack the most basic fundamental historical back drop and common sense.
This is why Trump is our President because too many of us saw what happened and do not abide by the dark dealings in DC. We can EASILY see what is wrong. No leadership, a lack of energy, daring to speak about that which ails us and everything else that President Trump is that noone else has been in 30 years.
Libs always love it when I say Trump is actually the most legit POTUS since Regan. He understands working for success not just getting there and imbibing in the political drunken debauchery of Washington DC, which has not deserved to to carry president Washingtons name for quite some time.
Frank Anderson says
My uncle loved to tell a story about a boy who spent a hot morning with his father loading a wagon with watermelons. The horse pulled the wagon into town where the father left the boy on the wagon with the watermelons and the instructions, “Keep quiet and nobody will find out what a fool you are.” A man approached the boy asking repeatedly how much were the watermelons. The boy followed father’s instructions whereupon the man walked away saying, “I’m sorry son. You must be some kind of fool.” Father comes back to crying son. “Daddy, I did just like you said and he found out I was a fool anyway.”
Could GW be demonstrating that fools just can’t get it right either by keeping quiet or speaking out? He keeps quiet 8 years and allows without comment the greatest betrayal of national interest in the history of the US (can anyone name 1 single issue where the US is stronger, safer, more secure or respected as a result of any action by the previous administration?) and then speaks when someone, with the approval of the voters, undertakes to correct the treason? if ever where there an appropriate time to shut up, this is it.
Frank Anderson says
Grammatical error: in the last sentence “where” should be “were”. sorry!
Troybeam says
If only our elected officials would read for themselves the Koran, Reliance of the Traveller aka sharia law rather than listen to some groups like CAIR and ISNA than they would understand that Islam does not have radical followers.
The people who follow the exact words of Mohammed are not radicals they simply are doing what the Koran instructs per the directions of Mohammed. George W Bush has kept quiet these last 8 years when Obama was in office, now he suddenly opens up and speaks, sounds like he’s listening to his liberal daughters, sad so sad disappointing really.
Yorkshire Kufir says
Dubya’s lack of knowledge, insight and intelligence just shown into sharp relief. Here’s the man who read my little goat while he knew his country was under attack. Evacuated the Bin Laden tribe from USA over the next few days, Then launched what he called “A CRUSADE”. No wonder this bloody war is dragging on, he doesn’t understand what he declared war on.
August West says
When Bush says jihadists are not religious he is either wrong or he is a liar.
Either way his policy was, therefore, based on a incorrect understanding if Islam.
This is proof that policies based on an incorrect understanding of Islam lead to disastrous results.
To see the clear links between Jihad and Islam one need only look at the Iranian constitution. The nature of their Islamic faith is clearly articulated there complete with references to the Jafari school, Twelvers, Jihad, and a direct quotation of Koran verse 8 60.
Are Iranian mullahs not religious either?
Since Bush has had ample opportunity and reason to read this document we can only conclude he is a liar and in the pockets of Islamic interests.
In retrospect, all you really had to do was “read his lips” when he told us how peaceful Islam is to know this obvious fact.
We have learned that oil money has a very far reach.
Bush and Obama show how pervasive and disastrous the lies about Islam are.
duh swami says
Geo does have some art talent, but that’s about it…What he doesn’t know about Islam could fill a book…The Quran…He is an authority on nothing Islam…
John A. Marre says
Bush should go hide under a rock. He destabilized Iraq, leading the way for the formation of Islamic State. He has nothing useful to say to this country and needs to go into hiding.
james cavalieri says
So Robert, are you for shutting up the liberal, main stream media, and just allowing fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Brietbart, Drudge, Jones and Ingram, give us the fair and balanced truth?????
Frank Anderson says
James, Dr. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of the idea that whatever the lies told in the media, they should continue telling them because that’s the price of a “free” press. I believe there is a US Supreme Court case that says, “Free speech does not include the right to shout ‘FIRE’ in a crowded theater.”
The lies, distortions and bias of liberals, including most in the media, are intended to create chaos, which liberals and especially Communists have used as their primary weapon for over a hundred years. But moslems beat them to it by more than a thousand. Free speech does not include the opportunity to present false reports creating conflict and undermining the ability of the people to direct the government that they rightly control.
Considering the disappointing intellectual level repeatedly displayed by former president GW, “nucular” and “religion of peace” I agree with many responding to this article that it is time for him to be silent, He has done too much already to confuse and misdirect us.
Rev g says
Actually the “fire” in a theater was part of a dissenting opinion by OWH, and he was wrong in his assertion.
What is it with you and the inappropriate historical allusions?
gravenimage says
The witless james cavalieri wrote:
So Robert, are you for shutting up the liberal, main stream media, and just allowing fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Brietbart, Drudge, Jones and Ingram, give us the fair and balanced truth?????
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What utter rot. Pretending that being critical of a dishonest news source is the same as a demand for censorship is itself completely meretricious. Robert Spencer has *never* called for such censorship.
He has also, on quite a few occasions, been critical of ‘conservative’ news sources.
Criticism of others’ speech, in fact, is a significant *part of free speech*. No surprise that you appear to be unclear on the entire concept.
Dale Netherton says
The solution? Here it is http://ipatriot.com/what-to-do-with-islam/#dqcomments
Chuck, N says
Terrorists who are Christian are Christian terrorists. Terrorists who are Hindus are Hindu terrorists. Terrorists who are Islamic are Islamic terrorists. There are also terrorists who commit terrorism by means of hypocrisy. They are called hypocritical terrorists. G. W. Bush, Obama, the current Pope, and Ms. Clinton are at the top of this list. We cannot accept that they do not have to think logically. Will they eat some non-human food?
Mitchel says
Any vestigial respect I had for Bush has been removed.
solange silverman says
Bush is on the globalists’ team, just like his entire family, who may or may not have carried out the assassination of JFK, but that’s another story.
steve says
Forest Gump Bush. The libs berated him as retarded while he was in office, used him as a stooge for the 2008 bailouts and are now “quoting him” as some sort of intelligent thinker…George, go back to painting your crap pictures and come back when you grow a spine and see Oz about getting a brain and then stand up for what Trump is doing, call bo and hillary out for pigs and traitors they are yes, George, your paintings are shit.
Bill Crumrine says
It should be remembered that the Bush Family’s public relations image is slightly a hair’s breathe better than what they are truly, an Eastern Establishment elite, as the family patriarch Prescott Bush was a Rockefeller protégé. The Bushes are in the same category as the Rockefellers, Averill Harriman, the Hyde Park Roosevelts, in many ways the Oyster Bay Roosevelts, the Lodges, Vanderbilt family, the Kennedys, J.P. Morgan and his bunch, and a host of others too numerous to mention. As Jesus said, Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing or as Shakespeare wrote, Beware of the Ides of March and Greeks bearing gifts.
Matthieu Baudin says
Mr Bush Junior, your time has come and gone. Your finest moment was when you showed dignity and resolve immediately following the 9/11 attacks. But eight years of not naming, not analysing the enemy ushered in a further eight years of wilful fudging and confusion. You share a piece of the responsibility for 16 years of lost opportunities to contain and reverse the current violent international jihad waged against the peaceful citizens of the world.
jill patterson says
bushes are told what to say and how to act….it is all about off shore money they have….and warned tokeep their mouths shut…..they are owned!
RationalVoice says
This guy was the first person I heard say that Islam was a religion of peace and I took him at his word because after all he was the President of the USA and I assumed he had at least read the Qu’ran and I hadn’t, until I had actually read it myself and what a shocker that was.!
Now he is either pretending he has read it because he already wants to believe something for whatever reason (you can suggest why) or he has read it and like religious people everywhere he expresses opinions which fly in the face of clear cut evidence to the contrary.
He has been quiet over the last eight years because as Winston Churchill once said “It is better to say nothing and make people suspect you are a fool than open your mouth and remove any doubt”
Although frankly for him it was way too late for that !!. When he was running for president the TV commentator said he was already known to be “not the sharpest tool in the box” but hey it would be alright because he has surrounded himself with “smart people” who presumably would put him right if he done something dumb. Well we all know how it turned out both militarily and economically for America in those years.!!!
He also said in the video something about retreating from Iraq before a free democratic society emerged.
I heard this said by Americans about Afghanistan after the invasion there and I just thought “these guys don’t get it”. if you are a Muslim of any kind you don’t believe in freedom. Islam means submission. You can remove one bunch of Muslims and replace them with another who will also not believe in freedom.!
I personally knew a Muslim who said he didn’t believe in freedom but in submission to Allah only and he had come to the West to escape political persecution from another sect of Islam but with the intention of converting as many non-muslims as possible until the day came when his flavour of Islam took over.
Perhaps there should be an IQ test like many ordinary employees and workers have to take at interview before you can become President. I reckon this guy would score below 100 !!!!
Frank Anderson says
Thank you. Well said.