A Palestinian state would only be a new base for renewed jihad attacks against a diminished Israel. It is refreshing to see an American President who is not committed to this false and faulty “solution.”
What a difference:
“Trump, Meeting With Netanyahu, Backs Away From Palestinian State,” by Peter Baker and Mark Landler, New York Times, February 15, 2017:
WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Wednesday that the United States would no longer insist on a Palestinian state as part of a peace accord between Israel and the Palestinians, backing away from a policy that has underpinned America’s role in Middle East peacemaking since the Clinton administration.
“I’m looking at two-state and one-state” formulations, Mr. Trump said, appearing in a joint news conference at the White House with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. “I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like. I can live with either one.”
Mr. Trump’s comments were a striking departure from two decades of diplomatic orthodoxy, and they raised a host of thorny questions about the viability of his position. The Palestinians are highly unlikely to accept anything short of a sovereign state, and a single Israeli state encompassing the Palestinians would either become undemocratic or no longer Jewish, given the faster growth rate of the Arab population.
Mr. Trump did not address these dynamics, preferring to focus on his confidence that he could produce a breakthrough agreement. “I think we’re going to make a deal,” Mr. Trump said, describing that as personally important to him. “It might be a better and better deal than people in this room even understand.”
But even as Mr. Trump drastically reoriented American policy, he told Mr. Netanyahu to stop building new housing in the West Bank for the moment. “I’d like to see you hold back on settlements for a little bit,” he told Mr. Netanyahu, whose government has been racing to announce new settlement construction in the weeks since Mr. Trump’s inauguration.
That’s a shame, as the settlements are just the latest of many pretexts for the Palestinian jihad.
The president also stressed that Israel would have to be flexible in any future peace talks. “As with any successful negotiation, both sides will have to make compromises,” Mr. Trump said.
Turning to Mr. Netanyahu, he asked, “You know that, right?”
Mr. Netanyahu responded with a smile. “Both sides,” he said, pointedly emphasizing the first word.
Nonetheless, Mr. Netanyahu, who nominally supports a two-state solution, quickly embraced Mr. Trump’s declaration, saying he preferred to deal with “substance” rather than “labels” in negotiating with the Palestinians.
He noted that the concept of the two-state solution meant different things to different people in the region. And he repeated his two prerequisites — that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state and that Israel maintain security control over the entire West Bank. The obstacle to peace, he said, is Palestinian hate, as demonstrated by building statues to those who carry out terrorist attacks and paying their families salaries. “This is the source of the conflict,” he said.
Mr. Trump and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and senior adviser, have been exploring an approach called the outside-in strategy, enlisting Arab states in the region that already have found common cause with Israel against their mutual enemy Iran to help broker a settlement with the Palestinians. But it is not at all clear that Palestinians would ever accept an arrangement that did not leave them with a state of their own….


Walter Sieruk says
President Trump should be much better with Israel than that last US President. For example, about that UN resolution 2334 that Obama backed, or at least failed to veto, which calls for the dividing of the State of Israel in to a “two state solution.” Which in reality is not a real or genuine at all . Thus John Kerry a fool. For even of idea of some people of dividing Jerusalem as well as other parts of the State of Israel between the Jewish people of the Muslim/ Arabs is nothing but folly. To engage the madness of such “talks” is a hoax and a farce .This is because in the so called “negotiations” between the heads of the Jewish nation of Israel and the leaders of the “Palestinians” the Muslim /Arabs the “Palestinian” leaders will speak the truth only when in happens to fit their agenda. The rest of the time the will be speaking half-truths and outright lies. For their goal is to obtain all of the land of the State of Israel ,.Even in it takes much time and it means getting the land piece by piece. So those “peace talks” are a hoax. For the “Palestinian” leaders are employing what is the Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya . Which is the Islamic dogma that lying and deception are good things to do as long as it’s done for the cause of the advancement of Islam. The insidious scheme is part of the stealth jihad .Otherwise known as “Islamic Gradualism.” This sly and something subtle strategy of disingenuous speech, lying deception of achieving the goal of all the land of Israel a war ploy that will be a disaster if the heads of the State of Israel are foolish enough to agree to divide the land of Israel with Muslim /Arabs ,the “Palestinians.” For if such a “peace dialogue” results in a divided land, the outcome will literally be murder. For “Palestinian” leader will allow the jihadists use that land as a base to launch murderous rocked attacks in to Israel. As for example, Hamas of Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Such false hopes for peace which are based on the foundation of lies are nothing new when it comes to Israel . For example, the Bible in Psalm 55:20, 21. Reads “Such men do violence to those at peace with them and break their promised word; their speech is smoother the butter but their thoughts are of war.” [N.E.B.]
gravenimage says
Trump, meeting with Netanyahu, backs away from Palestinian state
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Yes–I just heard this–excellent news. Especially since both Hamas and Fatah have the destruction of Israel in their charters–no Muslim organization intends to stop with a “Palestinian” state.
It is too bad that Trump also asked Israel to hold back on building settlements, but this was pretty mild–but over all, this was very heartening.
Kenneth Olson says
This will be a refreshing breathe of clean air after years of foolishness. If the Muslims would stop shooting there would be peace. If Israel would stop shooting there would be no Israel.
Dov Berrol says
On this subject, here is a great opinion piece by a “liberal” American reporter who came to understand the danger of a Palestinian state:
http://m.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/A-view-from-the-frontlines-480829#article=6017RkU0MjkxNEExRjUyMUJDNDlENTU3MzY5NzNCMEUwODM=
Dov Berrol says
If that link does not work, try this one:
http://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/A-view-from-the-frontlines-480829
Guest says
Good, the problem is that they play caring people in the West with the victim card, and a Palestinian state looks like a fair solution until one really gets into the details, history and the dangers of islam. Trump unfortunately won’t be the man to persuade the media or the left of..well… anything :(.
underbed cat says
I thought this was excellent. Yes, it seems President Trump is aware of the many previous treaties and many attempts to negociate….however untill he reads the sura’s of the Koran, Sharia law…..he will not get the intense history, and the doctrine which denies Israel the right to exist. So Netanyahu should bring a koran and let him read the commands that drive the terrorism. Then maybe he’ll understand this is an entirely different doctrine of resistance than he has ever been aware, that declares all land belongs to Islam…which muslims are commanded to pursue…and that brings misery and the difficult problem that occures when one party is commanded not to bring peace or only as a temporary agreement till they strike again. Whether the media reads doctrine, can make all the difference to stop the hate towards Israel, peaceful is a temporay delusion.
Terry says
The Palestinians (de facto) have a state-IE. Gaza and The West Bank. However, in the W.B. Abbas ( ” a man you can live with”- Hussein Obama) is in the 12th or so year of his 4 year term. With opponents jailed, killed or exiled.
Hamas is in-I THINK THE 6TH OR 7TH or so year, of their 4 year term No elections seems to be scheduled for anytime soon.
Neither area can produce anything; in Gaza, they destroyed greenhouses and a growing aquaculture industry.
They got (sorry for the language) pissed when an official from one of the Gulf States said that it is their (IE Hamas, as rulers of Gaza) fault that they have an electricity crisis, not Israel’s.
they have a state, or two- and cannot govern.
JMB says
Just reading some of the general comments on this matter I get the feeling that a certain former president with the support of his good friend Hillary may be thinking that he is in his 9th year of an 8 year term.
Terry says
Good point, I never thought of Hussein Obama that way.
Guest says
“They got (sorry for the language) pissed”, LOL, in UK English that means they got very drunk :).
Terry says
Our (US) new Sec. Of State has spoken to top Israeli officials, and will be meeting with them in the next few weeks. (An Israeli news site).
The conversations were “pleasant, and open” and views exchanged.
Terry says
Settlements. I am not sure where I saw it- but a senior legal expert explained the matter this way.
(Exact terminology not used). If the are in question ALREADY has ‘”settlements” and there is vacant land in the area AND ARE NOT ANNEXING ADJACENT LAND, hen the settlements are perfectly fine.
Another point– the “permits” were given, BUT THERE IS NO TIME FRAME. The Israeli government has (in the past) given many permits, but the housing was never built- for whatever reasons.
And, I think, Trump probably also, away from the cameras and microphones) told Bibi– just do it, and keep quiet. DON’T BROADCAST IT ( building housing). This just my opinion
Kessler says
Cringeworthy listening to Trump but he has his heart in the right place.
The fact he has thrown political correctness under the bus, speaking out against Islamism, re-established the great relationship with Israel, ignores the relentless hatred and smear against him and works harder than anyone to get sh*t done without hesitation, is admirable.
What he has started is almost too good to be true and I’m genuinely scared that something is going to happen to him – the left has declared war on him and us – his supporters. They will do whatever it takes to stop him.
Godspeed
Terry says
I think that the lefties are afraid NOT ONLY OF HIM, but also the American people.
Has been posted before-3,144 counties in the US.
Trump got a plurality or majority in 3,084 of them–98%.
What Congressman or Congresswoman, unless in a totally safe district — would try and do anything other than their normal bullshit delaying tactics? I would think that they should be scared out of their stupor to think otherwise.
Even in Cal., Trump won the vote in about 20 counties.
Richie says
what I cant get over is the visceral level of Jew hatred on the left- I knew it was bad, but it seems anti semites are popping up all over the Democratic Party side of the aisle- Pres rump’s friendly relationship with PM Netanyhu has the left in a frothing rager. The fact the left are considering having anti semite Keith Ellison head the DNC is evidence of their Jew hatred.
What I don’t understand is that many on the left most critical of Israel- are Jews- granted, secular or outright atheist Jews. Why do leftist Jews have what seems to be a hatred for fellow Jews? I don’t understand it. Is it simply an atheist vs the religious issue?
Dov Berrol says
Leftist, Marxist, socialists Jews prioritize their loyalty to their communal socialist “comrades in arms” fighting to build a nation-less, borderless world. They do not see their Jewish identity in civilizational terms…they see Judaism as merely a theology that teaches them universal ethics about how to make the world a better place. They have no loyalty to the Jewish/Judean/Hebrew/Israelite/Israeli nation. From the very start of the Zionist Movement, there was significant opposition from within the Jewish nation coming from socialist and Marxist Jews who wanted to be a citizen of the world rather than a Hebrew speaking citizen of a Jewish State.
The success of Israel in the in-gathering of Jews in exile is the very reason that non-Zionist Jews are becoming more visible and vocal outside of Israel. These non-Zionist Jews want very badly to be accepted by their peers in their social circles in Europe and North America. So their loyalty is to the news media that employs them or the universities that teach them or the leftist political parties they volunteer for. They have no loyalty to a Jewish Nation State called Israel. And every assertive action Israel takes to defend itself is an embarassment to them. They much prefer the image of a weak, unarmed, Jew that hides his identity to “fit in” over one who is defending his right to live proudly as a Jew in an independent Jewish/Hebrew state.
Richie says
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I actually have a coworker who is very anti Israel. Hes an atheist Jew and a rabid leftist and communist apologist
Dov Berrol says
You are welcome. Sadly I know many fellow Jews who are rabidly anti-Israel – and most of them have unresolved psychological issues with their Jewish parents. Being a leftist, socialist self-hating assimilated Jew is often just a way of getting revenge on hated parents or dealing with troubling childhoods.
Pong says
In Australia I have not met any anti-israel jew, being religious or atheist. Labour party in Australia is similar to american democrats and generally are pro-israel, though getting more and more to the left.
We don’t have Trump, but the balance of power belongs to a minor party, which is pro-israel and very anti-moslem. This party, One Nation Party, is set to become the third biggest force in politics. Another small party is also getting stronger. The party is only 1 year old and they are strongly anti-moslem.
Australia is not a republic and our prime minister has much less power then american president. He can be dismissed at any time. Sometimes we go through 3 prime ministers in one term, though all of them come from majority party in parliament. Our governor general can (and does) also call an election at any time, if he thinks that the government is in crises. “Crossing the floor” is unusual in australian politics and calls for a dismissal of such brave politician.
Jewish politicians are mostly in conservative party.
Richie says
Anyone who thinks there can be a two state solution is insane and ignorant. The whole region is occupied territory- by MUSLIMS!! Muslims are the invaders. Muslims have zero historical connection to Israel, Iran, Jordan and the surrounding region. Their ‘holy land’ is Saudi Arabia. Muslims want Jews dead, so negotiations are impossible. . One might as well have asked Jews to negotiate with the Nazis.
davej says
“So negotiations are impossible”. This is the terrible truth about Islam – they have no other option available to them except ruling over you.
We should be clear that this is by their choice, not ours.
Absolute implacable evil must be heroically resisted or it will succeed.
somehistory says
The moslims want their state free of Jews. They want Israel’s state to be a *state of non-existence*.
underbed cat says
The 9th term of Obama should recluse itself out of the matter…but it is unlikely. I forsee the press running to his side for comments that could to stir up trouble….unless the press educates itself and realizes Israels presence as Judea long ago and it’s struggles to survive…the silencing of facts needs some corrective acknowledgment.
Shan Lim says
The islamic palestinians certainly deserve a state of their own. A very big one, that is. But, far away from civilization. Sahara desert is very big piece of land much isolated from civilization. I therefore propose the Sahara State of islamic palestinians. At least with the vast piece of real estate over there they can lob off all the rockets they want at their hearts, content without disturbing the peace of the nearest neighbors.
Bezelel says
( “I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like. I can live with either one.”) The rational point of view. Now if the rest of the islamic countries would adopt that point of view, leaving the invented people to come to realistic terms with Israel, some progress could happen. Or they can keep doing what they’re doing and we all see how that’s working.
underbed cat says
It is like the story of the scorpion, they try to gain your trust and as soon as you let your defenses down….they attack. When you have a scorpion for a neighbor,or living in your house you seldom have peace, it is not in their nature that was nurtured by a doctrine on how to be a scorpion and then play a victim, a vexatious problem.
Bezelel says
underbed cat,
“nurtured by a doctrine on how to be a scorpion and then play a victim”
True, and Bibi addressed that and of all people I believe he knows what’s missing from the peace equation. Off hand I would say that any desire for peace on the part of the invented people is what’s missing.
common sense says
PM Netanyahu reiterates the same stance he has held for 8 years. He is not changing Isreal for Islam and kudos for bringing up Iran as a threat to all the ME nations. Leverage!
We dont like the centralized power of govt so Trump went to the people and won. Bebe and many nations dont like the idea of Iran destabilizing the middle east with nuclear poweted war heads in 8 years. That day is coming. Settlements distract from the larger issue at hand of Jihad and the spread of archaic shariah flowing syraight out of and financed by Iran no thanks to Barry.
Go to the people we hold the power still always believe it. That seperates us from the evil doers.
Angemon says
Good – why insist on something that’s been proved not to work?