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Video: Inside a devastated Orthodox church in Mosul

Feb 24, 2017 11:22 am By Robert Spencer

See the extent of what Christians in the Middle East have had to endure, while their fellow Christians in the West largely remain silent in pursuit of a futile and chimerical “dialogue.”

This is an Orthodox church, but all Christians should have stood up and spoken out about what happened here. The Catholic Church in the West is the chief offender: its supine and pollyannish stance in the face of the advancing jihad, and active campaign to mislead Catholics about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat, is a moral failure the likes of which have seldom been seen in history, and poses a severe challenge to any claim it makes to moral authority.

“We have to understand that totalitarianism based on Islamic creed is the worst among all systems of government. Yes, my friends, the very survival of Christians in the cradle of Christianity is quite in danger.” So said the patriarch of the Syriac Catholic Church of Antioch, Ignatius Joseph III Younan.

Yet the Church as a whole has said almost nothing at all. Why? Why are Church leaders in the West so uniformly silent about the Muslim persecution of Christians? Jean-Clément Jeanbart, the Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop of Aleppo, gave an interview to a French reporter in which he was highly critical of the mainstream media and even of his fellow bishops for ignoring the Muslim persecution of Middle Eastern Christians. “The European media,” he charged, “have not ceased to suppress the daily news of those who are suffering in Syria and they have even justified what is happening in our country by using information without taking the trouble to verify it.” And as for his brother bishops in France, “the conference of French bishops should have trusted us, it would have been better informed. Why are your bishops silent on a threat that is yours today as well? Because the bishops are like you, raised in political correctness. But Jesus was never politically correct, he was politically just!”

Archbishop Jeanbart was not the first to say this. “Why, we ask the western world, why not raise one’s voice over so much ferocity and injustice?” asked Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, the head of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI). Syriac Catholic Patriarch Ignatius Ephrem Joseph III Younan himself has in the past appealed to the West “not to forget the Christians in the Middle East.” The Melkite Greek Catholic Patriarch Gregory III has also said: “I do not understand why the world does not raise its voice against such acts of brutality.”

But the Patriarch should have understood, since he is a major part of the problem. After all, he himself said: “No one defends Islam like Arab Christians.” It is to defend Islam that Western clerics do not raise their voice against such acts of brutality. It is to pursue a fruitless and chimerical “dialogue” that bishops in the U.S. and Europe keep silent about Muslim persecution of Christians, and enforce that silence upon others. Robert McManus, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Massachusetts, said it on February 8, 2013 as he was suppressing a planned talk at a Catholic conference on that persecution: “Talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.”

Remember that Mohamed Atta, about the plane he had hijacked on September 11, 2001, told passengers over the intercom: “Stay quiet and you’ll be OK.” The Catholic Church appears to have adopted that statement as its policy regarding Muslim persecution of Christians.

“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)

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  1. miriamrove says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 am

    Islam offers nothing but destruction. m

    • Dawn says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 11:40 am

      You got that right!

    • Christianblood says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 7:01 pm

      miriamrove posted

      (..Islam offers nothing but destruction..)

      That is true yet islam and islamists get nothing but very deep respect and awards from the US and other Western authorities:

      For example, within this month alone, US provided a prestigious award to a Saudi prince for (get this) his countering islamic jihadist activities:

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/cia-saudi-arabia-crown-prince-muhammed-bin-naye-medal-counter-terrorism-work-intelligence-a7577221.html

      And the so-called “Hollywood” is about to honor an Alqa’eda group known as “white helmets” who who routinely murdered wounded Syrian soldiers and took pictures with their dead bodies with an Oscar:

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-syrian-subjects-white-helmets-attend-977060

      • Angemon says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 7:20 pm

        “That is true yet islam and islamists get nothing but very deep respect and awards from the US and other Western authorities:”

        Let’s see: who is partnering with the number one terrorism sponsoring state in the world and helping them developing long-range missiles? Oh, right – your very own Russia. The very same Russia that called “a hero of the Russian Federation” to a jihadi leader who told his followers to kill as many Russians as possible, and even named a bridge after him.

        Matthew 7:5

      • Christianblood says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 7:44 pm

        Angemon

        Russia saved the lives millions Christians and other minorities in Syria by giving legal assistance to Assad government and saving Syria from falling into the hands of the US and Saudi-backed jihadists who were fighting to overthrow Assad. What did the US and West do for the Syrian Christians? What?

        O’ yeah, we know what they did for them. They trained, armed, funded and supported the barbaric, head-chopping jihadists who were murdering Christians and others. Watch as the jihadist leaders themselves openly brag about this fact. In Fact, John Mcain went illegally into Syria last week to give support to his jihadist buddies there. Watch:

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:54 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Russia saved the lives millions Christians and other minorities in Syria by giving legal assistance to Assad government”

          Right, the government who allowed Syria to be used as a highway by jihadi groups wanting to kill Americans in Iraq – and presumably also Iraqi Christians. The government who helped Al-Qaeda executing terrorist attacks abroad. The government who released jihadis on its own population, knowing fully well what they would do. The government that helped ISIS to grow, thus being responsible for the Christians they are killing. Forgive me for not being impressed by your story about how your government helped a tyrant backed by the number one terrorist-sponsoring state – Iran. BTW, haven’t raved against the US for not taking in enough Syrian Christians? Which is it, then? Are the Christians in Syria safe under Assad and his Russian (who recently approved a law letting them arrest people for preaching the Gospel in the street) and Iranian (who persecute Christians in Iran and support terrorist groups all over the world) backers or should the US be receiving them by the millions? You can’t have it both ways, troll.

          “and saving Syria from falling into the hands of the US and Saudi-backed jihadists who were fighting to overthrow Assad. ”

          Funny how you never, ever address the Syrian Civil War as being a Civil War. In the little narrative you’re eager to push, there’s no oppression of Syrians by Assad, no killing of civilians by Assad – nothing. Answer me this: how did the Syrian CIvil war started?

          BTW, I see that you didn’t answer my question. I’ll repeat it:

          Who is partnering with the number one terrorism sponsoring state in the world and helping them developing long-range missiles? Oh, right – your very own Russia. The very same Russia that called “a hero of the Russian Federation” to a jihadi leader who told his followers to kill as many Russians as possible, and even named a bridge after him. And I’ll add another one: are you still living in a Western nation?

  2. Bk says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 11:35 am

    What a shame on us. Our leaders go bowdown and bring in those who are destroying ours in their country and now will destroy us in our country.

    • Eur says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 11:39 am

      yap. Perhaps they will not, but their descendants will. Muslims born in the West do not appreciate living in democracy, they dream of Islamic arcadia and blame their misfortunes on Western infidels, the same ones who welcomed their parents.

    • DFD says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 12:13 pm

      BK:
      ===

      May I correct you? Replace ‘our leaders’ with ‘our enemies’, and it will make sense.

      • Mirren10 says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 2:54 pm

        Spot on.

    • A Harris USA says

      Feb 25, 2017 at 1:03 pm

      BK, fact of the matter is when you have a so called pope who lauds Islam a religion of peace, and all the crap he spews, then it is easier for Western government to overlook the horror the Christians face from the devil pigs in Islam… If it is OK for the pope to love Islam, then we have the excuse to be pro-Islamic jihad.. Here is the result…. With lots more to come, and it is not only going to be in the ME.. I am shocked that more Christian churches have not been attacked, but it is early yet in the play… Just wait until a church full of worshippers is bomber, shot up, or somehow attacked by these devils in bathrobes.. Oh, it will happen, and when it does, it will be by a “mentally ill” misguided soul… Poor guy……..Only mass total intolerance of Islam will result in world peace..

      • Bk says

        Feb 26, 2017 at 10:37 pm

        Yep. Thats what happen in QC, 6 killed in mosque shooting by a christian young man and the flags at schools went down halfway to show grif to muslim society. Never heard muslims in western world or muslim countries showed any soŕrow when bunch of innocent christians were killed either here or in muslim country. Even canadian and french parliament had three minute silence in respect to those 6 muslims shot.
        I dont understand why our politicians do this ?

  3. marina says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 11:49 am

    That treacherous snake Pope Francis should be tried for high treason.

  4. no_one says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Well RCC has always tried to subjugate the Orthodox Christians. During the Ottoman years they didn’t help, but cooperated some times with Ottomans. Nothing new here. May middle east Christians have been martyred, even crucified by ISIS.

    • Angemon says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 6:13 pm

      Spoken like a total ignoramus. Or someone with a narrative to push. You want to blame someone for the martyrdom of Christians at the hand of ISIS? Very well – start with Assad, who nurtured and helped ISIS to grow.

      • no_one says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 6:40 pm

        The ignoramus is you. You don’t know the history of Christianity and the insincerity of it’s Latin version. Western Christians cared very little for the Eastern one. Assad is not the one who helped ISIS. Long story.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:14 pm

          No, you’re the ignoramus. Or trying to push a false narrative. “Western Christians cared little for the Eastern one”? B****, who tried to recover the Holy Land from the hands of the mohhamedans? And actually succeeded? Assad didn’t help ISIS? B****, who allowed Syria to be a highway for jihadi groups wanting to kill Americans in Iraq? Who provided logistical and material support to conduct a bombing in Amman? Who released dangerous jihadis from his prisons under the guise of “amnesty for political opponents”, many of which ended up as high-ranking members of ISIS? No,the likes of Assad or Saddam helped set the soild for ISIS, and Assad also threw seeds, watered them and tossed mulch – all so he could portray any opponent of him as a “terrorist” and try to force the international community’s hand to pick between him or ISIS. No, the blood of any and every single Christian persecuted by ISIS in Iraq or Syria is on Assad’s hand, alongside with the blood of Christians he had killed:

          https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/assad-slaughtering-syrian-christians

          Even if I knew nothing about that, all I needed to know about Assad is that he is supported by the number one terrorism sponsoring state in the world: Iran, a nation that persecutes its religious minorities, including Christians:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/islamic-republic-of-iran-detains-dozens-of-converts-to-christianity

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:33 pm

          @ no_one

          Angemon is an establishment plant who loves and supports the globalist, pro-jihadist, pro-ISIS, interventionist agenda and he would have loved if ISIS were able to topple Assad and murder millions of Christians and other minorities in there Syria.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:43 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Angemon is an establishment plant who loves and supports the globalist, pro-jihadist, pro-ISIS, interventionist agenda and he would have loved if ISIS were able to topple Assad and murder millions of Christians and other minorities in there Syria.”

          Again: funny how you don’t address what I said – you just go on petty personal attacks that anyone minimally acquainted with what I post would find laughable. “Establishment plant”? What did I ever say that was “pro-establishment”? Right, nothing – I harshly criticized Obama, Clinton, Merkel and their cronies. What you don’t like is that I judge your precious little Putin (yes, I’m about as tall as Donald Trump, so “little” is meant in more than one way) to the same standard I hold them. SUpoprts globalists”? Hey, you f***ing moron: how many times I exhorted Germany, France, US, etc., to * DEFEND THEIR BORDERS*? I lost track of the number because that is, and always has been, my position. “I would love if ISIS were to kill millions of Christians”? No. HELL NO! As I pointed out several times before, it’s *you* you gleefully talks about the deaths of Christians. It’s *you* who thinks that Syrian Christians are to remain in Syria, where their lives are in danger, while I said, several times, that the only Syrian refugees that the US and Europe should accept were Christians. You, not I, are eager to see Syrian Christians dead because that means you can run your little propaganda and blame their deaths on “the US and the West” – even if they were killed by Russian airstrikes.

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:54 pm

          no_one posted

          (..The ignoramus is you. You don’t know the history of Christianity and the insincerity of it’s Latin version. Western Christians cared very little for the Eastern one..)

          Absolutely right! Western Christians, including the Pope and many other Western “churches” give more respect and love to muslims, including muslim jihadists than to their own “Latin Version” Christians who are being decimated by islam. Shame on them!
          They are a huge dishonor to Christ!

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:59 pm

          Again: who answered the call for help against invading muslim armies in the Middle East? Oh, right – can’t have facts getting in the way of your narrative…

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 9:24 pm

          Angemon posted

          (..Again: who answered the call for help against invading muslim armies in the Middle East?..)

          Were they the Anti-Christ, Russo-phobic, pro-jihadist, pro-islamic postmodernist, radical feminist/LGBTQ liberals who run the Western world today? Tell me about it!

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:28 am

          Christianblood posted:

          “Were they the Anti-Christ, Russo-phobic, pro-jihadist, pro-islamic postmodernist, radical feminist/LGBTQ liberals who run the Western world today? Tell me about it!”

          Like I said, “whatabouttery”. Who was it that answered the call for help of the Byzantines? Right, the Catholics. Stick to the matter at hand, if you’re physically and mentally capable of doing so…

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 10:07 pm

          Christianblood wrote:

          @ no_one

          Angemon is an establishment plant who loves and supports the globalist, pro-jihadist, pro-ISIS, interventionist agenda and he would have loved if ISIS were able to topple Assad and murder millions of Christians and other minorities in there Syria.
          …………………..

          Absolute calumny against Angemon, Christianblood.

          You may not like his calling you out on Russians enabling Jihad, but describing him as pro-ISIS and in favor of the genocide of Christians is grotesque, and something you *know* is false.

        • TH says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 4:20 am

          I would recommend that you achieve a more balanced attitude rather than the Manichean one you manifest. You are repeating unsubstantiated propaganda. The notion that Orthodox Christians are totally innocent and in no way responsible for the division of the Chuch and the advance of Islam is false.The fact is that in both Egypt and Syria many if not most of the Copts and Jacobites, meaning monophysite Christians were happy that the Arabs had taken over form the Byzantine Empire. As for Orthodoxy, on not a few occasions Popes were the savers of Orthodoxy as the Constantin Patriarchs wee continually causing heresy, such as the Monothelist one in the early 7th century promoted by the Emperor Heraclius and the Patriarch Sergius. Thee was a similar situation with inconoclasm. Get an education int he real history of the Church in the first millenium and how Islam took over much of the Byzantine Empire.

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:26 am

          gravenimage

          Graven, as most US and Western, pro-jihadist globalist establishment did and still do, Angemon has consistently spoke in favor of the international jihadist terrorists fighting to overthrow Assad’s government of Syria and wished them success in taking over Syria and thereby he is supporting the murder of millions of Christians and other minorities in Syria.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 9:30 am

          Christianblood posted:

          “Graven, as most US and Western, pro-jihadist globalist establishment did and still do, Angemon has consistently spoke in favor of the international jihadist terrorists fighting to overthrow Assad’s government of Syria and wished them success in taking over Syria and thereby he is supporting the murder of millions of Christians and other minorities in Syria.”

          Lies. Lies and libel. As usual, you don’t back your claims with anything of substance – if I indeed did what you claim, then you should be able to point to posts of mine to back your accusations. Which you never do. Because you can’t. Because you’re lying.

          BTW, what exactly sparked the Syrian Civil War? Why did Assad release dangerous jihadis from the Sednaya prison, many of which ended up in ISIS and similar groups? Why did Assad let Syria be used as a highway for jihadis wanting to kill Americans – and presumable Iraqi non-muslims – in Iraq? Why did Assad helped Al-Qaeda bombing hotels in Amman? Are you still living in a Western nation? Still waiting for you to answer those questions. But first thing’s first: either back your accusations about me or retract and apologize.

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:29 am

          More Ham Ed

          Dear friend, if my comments are agitating you just don’t read them. Ignore them! Thank you!

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm

          Christianblood wrote:

          gravenimage

          Graven, as most US and Western, pro-jihadist globalist establishment did and still do, Angemon has consistently spoke in favor of the international jihadist terrorists fighting to overthrow Assad’s government of Syria and wished them success in taking over Syria and thereby he is supporting the murder of millions of Christians and other minorities in Syria.
          ………………………………

          Christianblood, you know this is not true. We have had our disagreements, but I believe you are better than this. Please provide actual proof of your assertions. I do not believe you can; I have read most of Angemon’s posts here over the years, and he has never said anything at all like this.

          Angemon has noted Assad’s role in the Jihad going on in Syria and beyond, but has *never* backed Jihad terror–just the opposite. He is a staunch Anti-Jihadist.

          I also think Assad has had a role in this horror, including mass releasing Sunni Jihadists from prison in 2011–I think this was intended to twit the West, but backfired.

          I think that under the circumstances, that Assad represents the least evil faction in the region–but this is damning with faint praise. He is not the champion of Christianity you like to posit–he is just less genocidal than this enemies. At this point, this is the best we are apt to find there, so I reluctantly back him.

          But that does not mean I or anyone else should be uncritical of him–or of his horrific ‘Islamist’ backer Iran, either.

        • Bk says

          Feb 26, 2017 at 10:45 pm

          Wake up….wake up
          Its westeners who are accepting highest number of muslims. Its west where muslims choose and come and live safely. Why displaced muslims dont go to any of your muslim country ? Who runs the highest charity to help needy in africa and middle east ? Redcross and many other organisations are the first to help always, did muslim countries established and funded redcross ?

      • Christianblood says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 7:23 pm

        Angemon

        It is not Assad but the US and other Western nations who armed and trained the international jihadist mercenaries who flooded into Syria and called them “arab spring” or “free Syrian army” etc who wanted destroy Christians and other minorities in Syria.

        Remember also the same US and other Western nations bombed Qaddafi forces in Libya and helped Libyan jihadists to murder Qaddafi and take over Libya where the jihadists then beheaded scores of Christians on Libyan beaches. If the US and Saudi-backed jihadists were able to overthrow Assad as they did to Qaddafi, millions of Christians and other minorities who are now safe in Syria would have been slaughtered by ISIS, Al-Nusra Front, FSA, Arar-Al-sham and dozens of other islamic jihadist groups backed and armed by the US, UK, France, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. See the results of fact-finding mission carried out by the US Peace Council last year:

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 7:32 pm

          Oh, and speaking of people trying to push a false narrative: hello, CB! Right on schedule with your blanket accusations, eh? Funny how you didn’t address anything I said about Assad letting Syria be used by jihadi groups wanting to kill Americans in Iraq, persecuting Christians or releasing dangerous jihadis as to pass al his opponents as “terrorists”. No, just the repetition of your false narrative where you acknowledge no Syrian ever took weapons against Assad. The Syrian Civil War stated after Assad’s forces brutally tortured and killed a group of teens, some as young as 13, for the crime of… graffiting “down with Assad” on a wall.

          BTW, the “U.S. Peace Council” is NOT related to the American government. It’s the American branch of the “World Peace Council”, an organization founded based on policies of the Communist Party of the USSR to oppose the “warmongering” they ascribed to the United States. The amount of salt required for me to take anything an anti-American relic of the Cold War says seriously would be more then anough to kill me, a healthy grown adult.

          Anyway, I hope to hear from you regarding what I posted about the causes of the Syrian Civil war and how Assad nurtured ISIS. Which, if you even address, I suspect will be a flat out denial of facts topped with good, old Russian “whataboutery”.

        • More Ham Ed says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 12:41 am

          WEBSITES ARE CHEAP THESE DAYS – YET CB IN HIS MOTHER’S COLD RUSSIAN BASEMENT, BARELY A DAY OVER 19, CAN’T AFFORD ONE.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 3:35 pm

          True, Angemon–about the only “officials” involved in the “U.S. Peace Council” are the infamous Barbara Lee and a former mayor of Berkeley. This is not an American governmental department.

      • no_one says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 8:21 pm

        All I know that my people were under ottomas for 5 centuries and ONLY Russia helped at the end. During time Mt. Athos was attacked by latins and many monks killed since they refused to submit to the pope. You can google the history of Zographou monastery there. After this event I can’t call latins quite Christian. Christian heretics may be. Sometimes they sided with the Ottomans. The Venicians especially. Venitians took over the Greek island of Korfu and tried to convert the Orthodox to the Latin heresy.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm

          “All I know that my people were under ottomas for 5 centuries and ONLY Russia helped at the end.”

          Mine were also at a point in history under islamic rule and we didn’t need any help to drive them out. Much to the contrary, we ended up taking the fight into enemy territory. You want to know why the Ottomans never mustered their full potential against you or Russia? No need to thank us. Which I imagine you would never do, seeing how you curse the people who spent centuries, bullion and an untold number of lives fighting islamic hordes. Where was the Orthodox Church at, for example, Lepanto, Cape Corvo or Malta, to name a few? Should I curse the Orthodox Church for not coming to our aid? Surely you can’t say anything but “yes, curse them with all your might” – unless, if course, you want to look like a hypocrite. Oh, and you might want to crack open a history book every once in a while – didn’t the Bulgarians wage war against Catholic Christians?

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 9:12 pm

          no_one posted

          (..All I know that my people were under ottomas for 5 centuries and ONLY Russia helped at the end. During time Mt. Athos was attacked by latins and many monks killed since they refused to submit to the pope. You can google the history of Zographou monastery there..)

          Absolutely right! The West knows nothing about the fact that almost all of Orthodox East were under the control of the islamic Ottomans for 5 centuries and that millions of Orthodox Christians were murdered, forcibly converted to islam and enslaved by islamic Ottomans for five centuries. The West also knows very little that it was Russia that came to help their Orthodox Christian brethren and eventually freed them from the evil yoke of islam sacrificing tens of thousands of brave Russian lives in the process. The islamism-phylic, jihadist-backing US did not even exist as a nation in those days!

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:18 am

          Christianblood posted:

          “ The West knows nothing about …”

          Citation needed.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 10:22 pm

          no_one wrote:

          All I know that my people were under ottomas for 5 centuries and ONLY Russia helped at the end.
          …………………………..

          You have made this claim before, but it is simply no the case. Many Westerners were involved in freeing Greece from Muslim tyranny.

          Russians can rightly feel proud of helping to free the Balkans from Ottoman oppression, but they were *not* the only ones who helped free the Christian east from Mohammedans.

          More:

          After this event I can’t call latins quite Christian. Christian heretics may be. Sometimes they sided with the Ottomans. The Venicians (sic) especially. Venitians took over the Greek island of Korfu and tried to convert the Orthodox to the Latin heresy.
          …………………………..

          Yes, we all know that you consider Catholics and Protestants to be “heretics” and apostates, and not to be real Christians at all–and hence fair game for any Muslim savagery. *Ugh*.

      • no_one says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 8:31 pm

        This is about the ‘nice’ crusaders and a heretic Byzantine emperor.

        https://oca.org/saints/lives/2013/10/10/108024-26-martyrs-of-the-zographou-monastery-on-mt-athos-at-the-hands-o

        • Angemon says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 8:45 pm

          I see your 26 and raise them on at least thousand-to-one a few decades prior:

          italianmonarchist.blogspot.ru/2015/04/massacre-of-latins.html

          Byzantine mobs charged into the Italian concessions and began massacring everyone in sight. The new Emperor did nothing at all to stop them or to restore order and the result was butchery on an unimaginable scale. Some of the Italians, sensing the danger, managed to escape before the attack but the vast majority of the 60,000 were trapped and helpless in the face of the Byzantine rampage. Men, women and children were killed in horrific fashion. Homes were destroyed, Catholic churches desecrated, even charitable houses were looted. Priests were tortured and murdered, women and girls were raped and the papal legate was decapitated and had his head tied to a dog and chased through the streets. Sick and dying people were stabbed to death in their hospital beds. It was savagery on an unbelievable scale. Those who were not killed in the bloodbath were sold into slavery to the Muslim Turks. They may well have envied the dead. The boys might have been forced into any number of forms of servitude, the men as well, perhaps serving as galley slaves, the women and girls had it worst of all, many forced into sexual slavery in the harems of the powerful.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 10:29 pm

          no_one and Angemon, you are both right–Orthodox and Latin Christians have a sometimes contentious, and even sometimes ugly history.

          But no_one, that you are still promulgating this *now*, when both the Christian East *and* the West are under threat from Islam, shows that you are still more wedded to slamming Catholics and Protestants than you are in standing together to fight Jihad. I am sad to see it.

      • no_one says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 9:15 pm

        Ottomans were sopped by us. They had to deal with our uprisings all the time. And no we never killed any Catholics. Orthodox people were under Ottomans when the west was fighting the moozies. You didn’t live with them, so you don’t know who they really are. I have almost no doubt Quran came from satan. I say almost, because the other option is that their “prophet” was simply mentally ill. I know what happens now days to those who talk to “angels” and hear voices. They are schizophrenic. I don’t think the west helped us in any way. Brits even called us names. You can curse all you want, it will get back to you. I don’t curse the western Christians. May be some had no choice, but some heretic church and may be saved after all.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 10:34 pm

          You are incorrect that Westerners never had to deal with Islam. Are you unaware that Muslims invaded and held most of the Iberian peninsula for centuries, and also held parts of southern France, southern Italy, Sicily, and Greece? That they staged slave raids on the coasts, including in England and Ireland, and that they pirated Western ships for hundreds of years, and that the United States confronted these Muslim pirates as the first actions of the navy and marines?

          Westerners turned the Muslims back at Poitiers, at Lepanto, and at the Gates of Vienna.

          It is important to know your history.

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:26 am

          no_one posted:

          “Ottomans were sopped by us. They had to deal with our uprisings all the time.”

          Like I said, spoken like a true ignoramus. Or someone with a narrative to push. I named 3 battles out of the hundreds I could have mentioned between Catholics and Ottomans. Lepanto, Cape Corvo and Malta. Go look it up.

          “And no we never killed any Catholics.”

          You did. By the thousands.

          “Orthodox people were under Ottomans when the west was fighting the moozies. You didn’t live with them, so you don’t know who they really are.”

          Again: my people were under islamic rule for a while. Then we drove them out, and they’ve been out up to this day. Don’t presume to tell me what I know or not.

          “I don’t think the west helped us in any way.”

          Then you’re a bigger fool than I thought – and I already thought of you as a substantial fool. Like I said, I named 3 battles out of hundreds. If you think you ever had to contend with the full might of the Ottoman Empire, you’re grossly misinformed.

          “Brits even called us names.”

          The British are not Catholics, so why are you bringing them up? Heck, they weren’t even fond of Catholics, as anyone minimally acquainted with the History of Western Europe should know.

          “You can curse all you want, it will get back to you.”

          And there it goes – a strawman. Did I curse anyone? No, I asked this:

          Where was the Orthodox Church at, for example, Lepanto, Cape Corvo or Malta, to name a few? Should I curse the Orthodox Church for not coming to our aid? Surely you can’t say anything but “yes, curse them with all your might” – unless, if course, you want to look like a hypocrite.

          “I don’t curse the western Christians.”

          No, you just speak s*** about them and tell how allegedly terrible they are. Like, for example, calling them heretic:

          “May be some had no choice, but some heretic church and may be saved after all.”

          The “heretic Church” is part of the reason you’re not speaking Arabic or Turkish today. You might want to show some gratitude, let alone respect.

        • Christianblood says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:40 am

          no_one posted

          (..Ottomans were sopped by us. They had to deal with our uprisings all the time. And no we never killed any Catholics. Orthodox people were under Ottomans when the west was fighting the moozies. You didn’t live with them, so you don’t know who they really are. I have almost no doubt Quran came from satan..)

          Very well-said, indeed! The West deeply loves islam and muslims, including muslim jihadists and consistently,like a mantra calls islam to be “the religion of peace” while they have very deep and profound hatred for Orthodox Russia whom they tried to destroy unsuccessfully again and again for the past 300 years are still trying today: Read more of this below please:

          http://theduran.com/action-reaction-russia-responding-growing-threats-west-says-dr-marcus-papadopoulos/

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 9:42 am

          Christianbood posted:

          “The West deeply loves islam and muslims, including muslim jihadists”

          Lol!!!! “Islamophobia” is presented as an increasing vile, dangerous threat in Western nations. Does that seem like the sort of news one would read in a region that “deeply loves islam and muslims”? Of course not. You want to look at a region that deeply loves muslims? Look at your very own Russia, where a jihadi who exhorted his followers to kill as many Russians as they could was rewarded with control over his very own fiefdom – Chechnya – and went down in history as a “hero fo the Russian Federation”.

          Trump and Brexit happened because people don’t want muslim migration. Le Pen and Wilders are leading the polls, and both made opposing islam the core of their political program. Where’s the “love for islam and muslims” you keep ascribing to “the West”? BTW, you’re either very ignorant or very forgetful – since when is “the West” a monolith?

          “and consistently,like a mantra calls islam to be “the religion of peace””

          Let’s analyse some statements made by Western political leaders, shall we?

          Trump – “I’ll eradicate islamic terrorism”.
          Le Pen – “Islam wants for us to adapt [to it], which cannot be reasonable or conceivable”
          Wilders – “Dutch values are based on Christianity, on Judaism, on humanism. Islam and freedom are not compatible”

          Compare those with some made by your own Putin:

          Putin – “I’d prefer if islam and terrorism were not mentioned together. Russia is the defender of islam. Orthodox Christianity is closer to islam than to Catholicism.”

          There’s nothing I can say that’ll make the contrast any more stark.

          “while they have very deep and profound hatred for Orthodox Russia”

          Citation needed.

          “whom they tried to destroy unsuccessfully again and again for the past 300 years are still trying today”

          Again, citation needed. And again, you’re either very ignorant or very forgetful – since when is “the West” a monolith?

          P.S.: Didn’t you very own Russia allied with Nazi Germany and made a pact to divide Eastern Europe between them?

      • no_one says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 9:30 pm

        Massacre happened, but it was layman, not blessed by any Patriarch. He was likely against it. Latins were favored by the rulers and that was the reason. When Catholics killed Orthodox it was in the name of the Latin religion and in the name of the pope. This is much worse. If Latins were Christians they would not retaliate.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 24, 2017 at 10:40 pm

          I’m sorry; this is ridiculous. The Pope *condemned* the sacking of Constantinople–it was not done on his order, and it was *certainly* not done on Catholic scripture.

          It is notable that you spend *far* more time here smearing Western Christians than you do bloody Mohammedans.

          How can you think this will not embolden them?

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:39 am

          no_one posted:

          “Massacre happened”

          Didn’t you deny having killed anyone on your previous post:

          “ but it was layman, not blessed by any Patriarch. He was likely against it.”

          Citation needed.

          “Latins were favored by the rulers and that was the reason.”

          Now you’re just making excuses and trying to defend the butchers of the massacre you denied having happened to begin with. And failing miserably. The Catholics were killed for being Catholics, and they were killed under an Orthodox Byzantine Emperor. You’re no different, in nature, than muslims who rave about the Crusades while saying that ISIS has nothing to do with islam.

          “When Catholics killed Orthodox it was in the name of the Latin religion and in the name of the pope. This is much worse.”

          Citation need. And again: the Orthodoxes who murdered the Catholics picked the Catholics because of their religion. Stop trying to claim that the 26 martyrs you brought up were “much worse” that killing tens of thousand of people on the grounds of their religion.

          “If Latins were Christians they would not retaliate.”

          Lol! Christianity is NOT a suicide pact. Should the “Latins” roll over and die because their Orthodox brethren decided to kill them en mass because of their religion? Funny how you’ve kept calling the RCC “heretic” while at the same time trying to pretend that the murder of tens of thousands of Catholics by Orthodoxs had nothing to do with religion whatsoever. Mind boggling!

        • Angemon says

          Feb 25, 2017 at 8:59 am

          P.S.:

          “When Catholics killed Orthodox it was in the name of the Latin religion and in the name of the pope. ”

          When Pope Innocent III learned about the sack of Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade (the Fourth Crusade having been launched with the intended to conquer Jerusalem from the paws of muslims), he excommunicated the perpetrators. Like I said, ignoramus, narrative to push, etc.

    • Christianblood says

      Feb 24, 2017 at 7:48 pm

      Angemon

      Watch the video clip below as your failed Killary gloats over and brags about murdering the Libyan leader in the hands of her barbaric jihadist buddies:

      • Angemon says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 7:57 pm

        As I predicted: not even trying to address my comments, just the false claim that support Hillary. Find me one post where I support her. Oh, wait, you won’t, because you can’t, because I don’t. Just your usual attempts at diversionary tactics. What I said about Assad supporting ISIS and the blood of Syrian Christians being on his hands still stands.

        BTW, I’ve been asking you this for months now and you never answered: are you still living in a Western nation?

      • gravenimage says

        Feb 24, 2017 at 10:42 pm

        Christianblood, you may not have noticed, but Hillary Clinton *lost* the election. And your claim that Angemon was a supporter of hers is quite false.

  5. Irene Brekelmans says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    It is not only this generation of people of the Islam, what to think about the next generation of children that have grown up with all that hate , put into them, their hate will even be bigger and if possible more dangerous.

  6. somehistory says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    Jesus Christ said about satan the devil, “The thief comes to steal, kill and to destroy.”

    satan’s children are doing his work…stealing, killing and destroying in the name and cause of his evil beast.

  7. RichardL says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    Brought me to tears.

    Thanks for this!

  8. gravenimage says

    Feb 24, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    Video: Inside a devastated Orthodox Church in Mosul
    ……………………

    This is a *very* brave man–and his shot of the mosaic in the dome was indeed inspiring. May he and his fellows stay safe.

  9. gravenimage says

    Feb 25, 2017 at 3:48 pm

    The story here is the destruction of a church by Muslims. Those few here who appear to believe the story here is about residual divisions–if any–between Western churches and orthodox denominations are completely mistaken.

    Muslims target *all* Christians–all Infidels, in fact.

    And the idea that Western Christians are somehow cheering this on could not be more absurd–Robert Spencer himself is Catholic (eastern rite Catholic), and he is reporting this story.

    I–and most people here–stand with *all* Christians threatened by Islam, of all denominations.

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