Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.
Well, let’s see. De-radicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:
Gitmo prisoner reveals: Saudi “deradicalization program” is really a jihad training program
11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups
Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!
Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy
Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”
Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure
Nor have they worked elsewhere:
France’s deradicalization centers seen as a “total fiasco”
“Teenager pleads guilty to terror plans,” Sky News, March 24, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A Sydney teenager who was in a deradicalisation program has pleaded guilty in Parramatta Childrens Court to planning a terrorist attack on Anzac Day in 2016, and remanded in custody until April 21….
The teenager’s been accused of using an encrypted message app to try and obtain a gun for his intended April 25 attack and, when that failed, a bomb manual.
Now is not the time Kato says
I disagree the de-radicalisation programs try to convince the participants that Islam is peaceful.
Rather, they are more likely to try and convince the participants that “now is not the right time for jihad” or the “jihad hasn’t been correctly authorised by an authorised Caliph”. They are not trying to say jihad is bad.
Don’t allow yourself to be fooled by the people who run the de-radicalisation programs.
They are not to be trusted.
Glenn says
They have been my thoughts for a long time now. For an Islamic scholar to argue the time is not right for violent jihad because the Muslims are not yet strong enough is the only argument with any chance to stop the violence, at least temporarily.
gravenimage says
Australia: Muslim teen in deradicalization program plotted jihad massacre
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Well, we see how well *that* worked…
Jeanette says
What?!!!
Hours of deradicalization failed to erase 1,400 years of history and programming?
The elites undoubtedly claim that they just don’t understand this.
mortimer says
De-radicatlization will not work, but de-programming Muslims right out of Islam will work, because once they have their belief in Islam SHATTERED by the weight of facts and logic which shred Islam to pieces, even the most determined jihadist will see the slim likelihood that anything about Islam is true. They will not be likely to risk their lives for something that has less than a 1% chance of being true. Every doctrine of Islam is contradictory or unsupported by logic, science, morality or history.
murad says
Mortimer, I always look forward to reading your clever and enlightening points/ comments.
You are right: Every doctrine of Islam is contradictory or unsupported by logic, science, morality or history.
BUT every step taken by the Traitors in the west to enslave us to muslims is contradictory to and unsupported by logic, science, morality or history. What these traitors do when they invite jihadfis into the west, they are committing a treasonous act, and are going unpunished. Nay, they shift suspicion to the good citizens who point these things out.
Angemon says
“BUT every step taken by the Traitors in the west to enslave us to muslims ”
Who is doing that and why?
Michael says
mortimer, I wish that were true. But I am not sure anyone can de-program anyone who has been raised, from birth, to hate, to kill, to subjugate women, or if you’re a woman, to be subjugated; to stone for adultery, to despise anyone outside of the ‘faith.’
I recently read Wafa Sultan’s ‘A God of Hate.’ It was disturbing on a lot of counts. Even after she had been here a few years, she could feel the pull of what she had been indoctrinated with. She was delighted to be American, proud of America, and her book was a warning against what we face. And she made it clear, too, that when you are basically imprinted from birth with certain and definite beliefs, you don’t ever completely shake them off.
The belief is complete in the Koran, with all of its contradictions. Another book I’ve almost finished is ‘Allah is Dead: Why Islam is not a Religion.’ A very intellectual examination of Islam, and faiths in general. The author appears to be extremely well read.
I hold out hope that somehow, cracks get into the beliefs of enough Muslims, to cause a greater number of Muslims to leave the faith. But very few escape it. The fear of death is powerful.
I’m an optimist. But all of this doesn’t call for optimism, it seems, as much, as the saying goes, as knowing yourself, and knowing your enemy. We have been warned about the dangers of Islam for a long, long time. Naziism wasn’t defeated by anything less than tremendous force. Where Muslims have been repelled, it has always been by force.
I hope I am wrong on these counts. Believe me, I am open to other perspectives. It is all very sobering, to say the least.
gravenimage says
mortimer wrote:
De-radicatlization will not work, but de-programming Muslims right out of Islam will work, because once they have their belief in Islam SHATTERED by the weight of facts and logic which shred Islam to pieces, even the most determined jihadist will see the slim likelihood that anything about Islam is true.
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Mortimer, your belief that Muslims are rational and passionately care about reason, and just need one of the Infidels to point out that Islam is not factual. They would just condemn the unbeliever talking to them as a “filthy Kuffar” who should be killed.
Islam specifically rejects reason.
Jeanette says
It’s worked for what, a dozen of them?
Okay, maybe more, but whatever that number is, it is tiny compared to 1.7 billion. And the 1.7 billion is growing exponentially (outstripping losses due to violence) because of the practice of Muslim men breeding herds of women.
We westerners are too close to losing the battle to Islam now. We don’t have the luxury of time to tinker with de-programming or de-radicalizing.
We should remove all Muslims from western countries immediately; it’s the only way to cleanly excise the cancer. Then (unless they attack non-Muslim countries in the interim) we can wait a while, and see how many of the Muslims kill each other.
To guard from being invaded (again) we must watch our borders and all points of entry as closely as we watched them during World War II.
Polygamy must be declared a human rights violation, since the non-favorite wives and their children are often abused by the favorite wife. Outlawing polygamy would seriously slow the current explosive Muslim birthrate and reduce the number of them being produced for suicide attacks and bomb-making.
Declaring female genital mutilation a human rights violation and outlawing it would also slow Muslim population growth, as the men would be disinterested in women they couldn’t torture. (To see why I say that, watch from 29:00 to 35:00 – bing.com/videos/search?q=ann+barnhardt+video+islam+sexual&view=detail&mid=78659C23DF2A43376AC778659C23DF2A43376AC7&FORM=VIRE )
In other words, we need to act now as our fathers had to act against the Nazis. No importing them so that they can see how nice we are and come around to our way of thinking. Although we cannot be sure that all Muslims will commit violence against non-Muslims, they all DO follow a Muslims’ Operator Manual (the Koran) that instructs them to do so and we have no way to differentiate those who are potentially dangerous from those who aren’t.
If we can’t figure that out, we deserve whatever we get. If we can figure it out, but allow our elites to engineer violence against us using Muslims to do their dirty work, then we deserve whatever we get.
Good luck to all decent people!
Jeanette says
My eleven years in Saudi Arabia (and my family’s combined 100+ years there), and our extensive travels in Muslim countries have left me with the belief that too many Muslims understand only what the Koran teaches: force, including violence.
billdeserthills says
Good idea, we’ll begin force-feeding all muslims pork, they will be declared to be ‘unclean’ by their own radicalized beliefs and no longer a threat
Rotten says
De- radicalize with a bullet to the back of the head.
Costs less and is 100% effective.
And have his family pay for the bullet.
John A. Marre says
Do they get free food during the sessions? An allowance? Do their welfare payments continue?
What do you think is going to happen when you put a dozen jihadis in a room together? Are they going to join together in an expression of love for Christians and Jews, or are they going to learn to be better jihadis?
Jeanette says
Remember those horrible fires in Australia about eight years ago, that Muslims claimed to have set? That was shortly after Muslim leaders had instructed that forest fires be set to burn down the forests in western countries.
How many innocent people and animals burned alive because the elites had been trying to convince the Muslims to be nice?
I will never be able to remove the picture of the dead horse lying on the road, its skin burned away, and most of its ears burned off, and the tiny koala that had escaped the fire, but was so badly burned that it actually went up to bicyclists for help. If ithey could speak to us now, I wonder what they would say about what theyhad to endure because of people who were SO concerned about giving the Muslims a good deal?
Peggy says
How can any program work when their family is behind them all the way?
Are they going to listen to us or their family or their imams?
If they want us to believe that radical ideas come in a vacuum then they are insulting our intelligence.
Radical ideas are taught from birth and the odd one who escapes that is truly a rare one.
What is the point in putting them in any program when they go home and laugh about it with the household?