“Canadian Muslims are once again forced to apologize for something they had nothing to do with, that according to one imam who says other faith groups aren’t held to the same standards.”
This is just an attempt to obscure the real issue. It’s true: no one should expect Muslims in Canada or anywhere else to apologize for what another Muslim did in Britain. They indeed had nothing to do with it. But there remains the question of whether the Muslim in Britain was acting in accord with teachings of Islam that call for violence against unbelievers. If so, Muslims in Canada and everywhere else, if they reject those teachings, should be working to make sure that no other Muslims act according to the understanding of Islam that the Muslim in Britain had. instead, Syed Soharwardy whines about collective guilt.
“If a Muslim commits a crime then it should be that person’s individual actions (that are judged) or that organization’s actions. Muslims around the world have declared that ISIS is not a Muslim organization.”
Indeed. But many of those who have condemned ISIS were Muslim Brotherhood organizations that didn’t actually condemn ISIS’ understanding of Islam, but only condemned it in order to deceive Westerners and advance their own interests. No one is responsible for the London jihad attack except the jihad attackers. But Muslims everywhere, if they condemn the Islamic theology by which such attacks are justified, need to work for genuine reform. Where are we seeing that?
And where, beyond the plethora of fake anti-Muslim hate crimes, do we see any actual backlash against innocent Muslims?
“Canadian Muslims dealing with repercussions following attack: Imam,” by Kenny Mason, News 1130, March 25, 2017:
VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – A Canadian Imam says Muslims in this country are once again going to face a backlash for terrorist events around the world.
While he is condemning the attacks in London this week, he believes he shouldn’t have to.
Canadian Muslims are once again forced to apologize for something they had nothing to do with, that according to one imam who says other faith groups aren’t held to the same standards.
When a Christian commits one of these heinous acts, the entire community isn’t held responsible for it according to Syed Sohawardy with Muslims Against terrorism.
He doesn’t want what he calls special treatment, just to be treated fairly.
“If a Muslim commits a crime then it should be that person’s individual actions (that are judged) or that organization’s actions. Muslims around the world have declared that ISIS is not a Muslim organization.”
He wants muslims [sic] to be treated like everyone else.
“Just like any other faith community. If in the Christian community, somebody commits a crime, the Christianity does not get blamed. All Christians are not responsible for the crimes of that person who has a christian faith.”…
Halal Bacon says
nobody is asking you to apologize, only recognize the fatal flaws in your political ideology that cause people to go on killing sprees
simpleton1 says
Quite right, and why are the imams hiding those flaws.
Let us help, by talking more directly on the koran, hadith, sira and sunnah. 🙂
mortimer says
simpleton, you are onto something. I believe that the mullahs know most (or all) of the flaws in the Islamic writings, but they keep quiet about them because they need a job.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, with great respect and courtesy, what we consider flaws as Infidels they consider the absolute perfection of truth. Their minds are closed; and dare not be opened under promise of death.
mortimer says
Frank, the ‘errors’ I refer to are the textual, historical, moral, grammatical, spelling, logical ones in the Koran and hadiths.
Documents with HUNDREDS of factual and logical errors CANNOT BE DIVINE in origin and the MULLAHS themselves realize this. Dishonestly, most are pretending that they SEE NOTHING… however, they DO see it.
The textual ‘anomalies’ in Islam’s source texts prove the texts are of human origin and therefore not ‘inspired’.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, I completely agree with you. But to the convinced, BOTH Muslim and Christian, (fortunately not all of the latter), there is no such thing as error in their “sacred texts”. You are bound to have heard someone in your life say the King James Bible is the absolutely perfect and final word of God Himself. And yet there is one plain contradiction that shows how erroneous is the pronouncement:
Deut 23:2 states clearly “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.” But Deut 24:16, “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” That was written about 2500 years ago. At that time and most of the time since, exclusion from the community is called a sentence of “civil death”. Sentencing 10 generations to civil death for something none of them had the least part is beyond unjust.
Now, there are 3 reasons a Jewish scholar will say this error should be recognized and ignored: The word “bastard” is not translated correctly from the word “mamser”. A mamser is a child resulting from adultery or incest between 2 Jews, nothing else. The contradiction has always since the first writing been resolved by ignoring 23:2. And at no time in 2500 years has any child been excluded from a Jewish congregation because of the birth circumstances. The final statement such a scholar would make is that any time wisdom is in the hands of a human, there is also some measure of error or deception. My opinion is that King James’ translators wanted to paint Jews as hateful and incapable of forgiving when that is not the case. Jesus was first a Jewish man.
To your absolutely correct observation on the errors, contradictions and rabid injustice in Muslim writings, they don’t care; they dare not care; for if they care they will question and be killed. I have tried that path of self-destruction as a “whistleblower” and it “stinks on ice.” Please permit me to dodge the question why I should be familiar with the Deut passage.
El Cid says
they will NOT make any comments that reflect badly on Islam. If a Muslim commits a crime, the Jews made him do it.
There is no tradition of questioning or analyzing texts. That is Jewish, Not muslim. Most of them cannot even read. There societies are failures.
Why this behavior is tolerated and why this victimhood narrative works on anyone’s opinion is a mystery to me.
john spielman says
sharia law must be discussed in all high schools universities and social networking etc with current examples of from East Crapistan( Pakistan) and Britainistan( UK)
mortimer says
Good point, john. The teachers have NOT done their own homework and have NOT studied Islam’s source texts to discover what is actually in them
Surmisals and GUESSING are NOT GOOD ENOUGH coming from our leaders.
They have an OBLIGATION to inform themselves.
TEACHERS, POLITICIANS …. DO YOUR HOMEWORK about jihad.
Frank Anderson says
John, I think directing the discussion at high school level is an error without first directing the discussion to adults. If it is not important enough for adults to become informed, why dump the work onto the kids? Looking at just how little younger and less experienced people know and how much less they think for themselves, (watch TV, particularly Fox, for all the demonstrations/riots), and consider how often it is the under 30’s who wind up joining Islam instead of opposing it. Unless parents, grandparents and other more experienced people set examples, the younger are not going to get the message.
Look at how futile drug education has been. I remember when it started in the 1960’s and many teenagers decided to “give it a try” instead of keeping away. Please consider whether this issue is too important to leave to a school system that appears to be directed at brainwashing and “wussifying” young people instead of teaching them to think for themselves and the future.
I have recently found it desirable to withdraw from a group of extremely well-educated and successful people because so many of them just could not look beyond their fantasies about Islam. Who would teach the teachers to overcome such delusions and fantasies as the “religion of peace” instead of the death cult it really is? I think it is only through the family that the ignorance, delusion and collaboration outside the home can be overcome. Consider how well Hitler did with Hitler Youth and League of German Girls. Parents who resisted were threatened by their own children to be denounced and sent to concentration camps. When we leave our children to others to teach, our children will be stolen.
David Ramseur says
The Imams are hiding the flaws because that is what Islam commands. Islam is not permitted to be questioned. Sins are supposed to be concealed. Muslims are supposed to always play the victim, always attack the infidel, deceive, and always gain the upper hand. These are core tenets of Islam. Islam is us vs. them like nothing else, it animates everything. Personal trust is nonexistent in Islamic society. Joy is nowhere to be found. Endless people pleasing (justifying yourself as a good Muslim), tributes of fealty, and acts of exploitation characterize Islamic civilization. Personal shortcomings must always be hidden. And you cannot even criticize other Muslims (unless you are high in authority). It is a life of slavery and stoked hatred. Destructive violence called for by allah is not even second guessed by his slaves. This is, in reality, demonism.
Michael Ray says
Very well stated. These are the realities that are denied over vast swaths of Western culture. These truths need to be told and retold ad infinitum.
gravenimage says
David Ramseur wrote:
The Imams are hiding the flaws because that is what Islam commands.
……………
Very true–Muslims only tell the truth about their vicious creed if they are in power.
Richard says
David, you are absolutely right! The great strength of Islam against those who see the many flaws, errors and contradictions in the Koran is the phrase one reads again and again in the Koran: “God knows; ye know not.” That is very true. How does one argue against it? Speaking as a Christian, we do not and cannot see reality in this world. A good point was made in a post above about the King James Bible errors. Yes, there have been over 2,000 of them catalogued. It was largely a political instrument fighting Catholicism, but all Bible translations face this, The Bibles we read are all translations from the Latin, which is a translation from the Greek, which is a translation of the original Aramaic Peshitta, which itself shows much of what Jesus said was poetry, (the Lord’s Prayer is a perfect example) which does not translate, nor do the brilliant multiple meanings, which are essential in understanding what is being said. Everyone on this web site realizes the “translations” of the Koran we read in the West are mostly carefully scrubbed of the viciousness of the original Arabic. As a Lebanese Maronite priest said, “Half of the Muslims want to kill you, and the other half want someone else to kill you.” That, to them, is good. The Good Muslims (who practice their faith) are the bad Muslims, so far as non-Muslims are concerned; while the “bad” Muslims and apostates can be our friends … until the “good” Muslims kill them. One cannot speak of: “reforming” Islam. If a religion is right and true, you cannot reform it without denying it and by action declare it a fraud. If it can be reformed, it is nothing more than a social club.
carol says
David…your comments are very similar to those of Sandra Solomon and it’s also enjoyable to read Mr. Spencer’s healthy logic contrasted with the imam’s fuzzy wuzzies (such a sensitive representative of the MOST sensitive). As Richard just posted “If it [Islam] can be reformed, it is nothing more than a social club.” Take away the bloody drama and the promises of various “booty” and what’s left is more like OCD.
CANADIANS in particular need to take note of this recent interview wherein SANDRA SOLOMON discusses an ISIS video and its stated PLANS FOR CANADA:
Justin Trudeau Admits the Truth for Once: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq9w2fBhEvs
mortimer says
HB, here’s the Islamo-reasoning: Islam is perfect, complete and eternal, therefore it cannot be improved, added to or altered. If you have a problem with that, they’ll KILL you.
Robert says
yes: each individual is held responsible for his / her actions. But where is the reform in the Islam? And when we see documentaries with hidden cameras of what happens during Islam Teachings at UK schools where hatred towards UK citizens (non believers) is being taught, what can we expect?
mortimer says
Robert, you say ‘hatred’. Here’s what that is:
Al Qaeda’s bin Laden explained jihad like this: “Battle, ANIMOSITY, and HATRED … directed from the Muslim to the infidels…is the FOUNDATION of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them.”
Michael Copeland says
“…between us and you enmity and hatred forever…”
Koran 60:4
Westman says
“Just like any other faith community. If in the Christian community, somebody commits a crime, the Christianity does not get blamed.”
That may be related to the fact that no Christian-committed perpetrator is described as shouting, “Jesus Akbar!” in witness descriptions. Islamic ideology creates crimes committed in the name of Islam while Christianity does not.
So, Imam, find out what inspires Muslim criminals to carry out crimes in the NAME of Islam, remove it, and the Islamic Ideology will be free from blame. The Quran is a book of hate against unbelievers – you could start there.
gravenimage says
Very true, Westman.
Frank says
It’s is not a back lash ,it’s pay back justice.
BLC says
Poor little Muslim victims again!
JawsV says
Boo-Hoo!!!
Frank Anderson says
To me this is 1 of the rare issues in life where you are either for or against it. Islam is for murder, slavery, mutilation, abuse and lying, among many other practices. There is no middle ground. To be Muslim is to support and accept any and all of its teachings which are totally contrary to all civilized and tolerant society. To recognize the horror and ponder reform of Islam is to sentence one’s self to death. That is why only Infidels have choices, to either surrender, by converting, submitting to slavery or dying, or resisting by all necessary means, starting with learning the truth instead of depending on impressions. What do you want for your and your children’s futures?
Westman says
Yes, this is one of those moral decisions that cannot be rationalized.
The primitive, aggressive, nature of Islamic Ideology grooms an endless supply of intolerant jihadists. No matter how much Islam’s more progressive thinkers whine about and decry that Islamic mahem is committed by, “not real Muslims” , they are both unwilling and completely unable to stop it from arising within the very Masjid they attend.
As the Bible reads, there is a time and season for everything. The season for tolerating the intolerable Islam is over.
Frank Anderson says
Westman, Thank you.
simpleton1 says
Christians follow Jesus Christ, and then endeavour to apply that thinking in their lives, and also in understanding the old testament.
Christians simply point out the change in the Bible and God thinking when Jesus Christ came in the ‘new testament’
eg. When a crew of jews were going to stone a woman for adultery, he said basically said,”think about it” “You with out sin can cast the first stone” Every man there had to reflect on themselves, so then knew they could not stone her, and so began a new pattern of thinking, that Jesus Christ showed to all the old testament books and laws, in his parables and teachings.
Mohammad was truly a kind man, if a bit crazy to start with, thinking of peace, and trying to gain numbers.
Then he abrogated the beginning peaceful Mecca verses, when he felt fame, gaining power, when he did his first misdeeds. From there he took to a life of crime; lying, cheating, fraud, extortion, murder lust, slavery, looting, blood lust, to develop terror, and made these the important parts of his ministry.
So Mohammad fell to temptation and set free all the evilness that he followed and did and gave that as an example for his follows to emulate.
All imams feel they need to cover the truth of Mohammad.
Their communities need to be exposed about the teachings, sayings, deeds and actions of Mohammad, from the koran hadith, sira, and sunnah.
That is where free speech is so important.
Free speech,
Use it or Loose it.
Cartoons, Songs, Chants, Ditty, Poems, Limericks, Sculptures, Paintings, Flags, T-shirts, Caps, Letters, Billboards, Blogs, Satire, Parodies, Books, Plays, Movies, Parades, Marches, Banners, Badges, Symbols, etc.
to the level you can do.
To gather people in, giving strength to each other.
Learn about islam, the koran hadiths sira sunnah. Just to see the real Mohammad and know that is the man that mohammadans follow.
Hitler was mocked, plus the info was getting out there, though a close run meeting, it was enough for Winston Churchill to gain power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_in_popular_culture
and there was the obvious blue comedy, in the song about Hitler, Himmler similiar, Goring and Goebels.
Subtlety and Irony, Sarcasm and Wit, will expose the truth.
We must make an effect on others, and so then to the media, institutions and politicians.
carry on fighting.
From your corner, every little piece of resistance counts!
Great thanks to Robert Spenser, contributors and many of the commentators.
gravenimage says
Yes–Islam and its psychopathic “prophet” need to be criticized, mocked, and exposed at every turn.
carol says
simpleton 1…so by what urges and means do you think this “truly kind man” transformed from “talkin’ the sweet talk” in Mecca to “walkin’ the bad walk” in Medina? Do you think the JEWS MADE HIM DO IT!?
Let’s do the world a favour and not cling to any false sentimentality toward Mohammad and his saga.
simpleton1 says
The “truly kind man” for Mohammad’s early phase, but he did push that angle of peace in his preachings.
Nothing has ever been mentioned about him killing, hurting, speaking evil, fraud, in his early life.
Just the plagiarizing of the Torah, which created an antagonism between Jewish leaders and his delusions of grandeur.
It was the early verses that had themes of creator, heaven, hell, judgement and warnings to multi-god believers of previous judgements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccan_surah
Difficult to know what made Mohammad change, hallucinations, delusions of grandeur, seeking power? fame? greed? lust? and he was “thin skinned” but I am sure that I did not suggest the “Jews made him do it” even though they mocked him. The Jews did not accept him as he had grandiose plans of leading them as a Jewish prophet.
In that Bible comment, where I mention Jews, well Jesus was a Jew as well, and the Jews , did pause and reflect on their laws , and so did not stone that woman.
If you are familiar with the koran then you would see that Mohammad plagiarized the old testament,trying to persuade the Jews he was another prophet, and when they ignored and mocked him he reacted by calling out judgements and curses on them, and feeling that coldness he fled and activated the old laws, putting them in Medinan verses, bringing in “abrogation” in particular to his advantage.
He also twisted the new testament, which Christians follow.
The important part is to follow the truth. ! !
If Mohammad had got permanently lost on the way to Medina, he would have been thought of as a ‘kindly’ eccentric gentleman, and if it founded a religion based on that, there would not be any problems through the centuries and today. Just a rant and rave against Jews, Christians and pagans, and God’s judgement would be on them.
If you are going to persuade people to leave, islam, or change, we must point the truths out, for our own credibility.
So that muslims can see the difference and understand the reasons. To deny this, that is plainly written there in the koran, admittedly covered up in a jigsaw, and then there are the different stages that imams do use on their faithful.
It is the Medinan Mohammad and that legacy that I sincerely oppose.
That is what Jews would have opposed, as would Christians.
The Ahamidyya sect 1% has been able to drop all violence, though I detest how they muddy the knowledge of the Medinan verses.
The Bahai faith born out of shi’a islam, also wants to put previous messengers to only be of the needs at those time. To close the door on violent advice.
Sure the numbers are low.
Can islam be reformed?
Personally I doubt it, but anything is better than nothing.
It would be good if we can have muslims becoming atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Taoism, Confucianism, HIndu, or Jewish.
At least being able to ignore the Medinan verses, with Ahmadiyya or Baha’i etc., and that evilness stripped out of the koran replaced by plenty of writings for them to study by those newer messengers/gurus/prophets.
ermom says
‘He wants Muslims to be treated like everyone else’.
Soooo, then why all the SPECIAL treatment that Muslims DEMAND? Oh, BECAUSE IT’S THEIR FAITH!
Islam is NOT like other religions. Islamic Supremacy is very real and is Qur’anic. Muslims are commanded to obey Allah and Mohammed without question or be considered apostates or blasphemers, earning them a death sentence. Sharia is GOV’T, not religion. It is a TOTALITARIAN POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, the exact opposite of our Constitution, and of western values, based on Judeo-Christian values and principles. Islam is the photo-negative of Christianity. Whatever Christians are NOT supposed to do, Muslims are, e.g. lying, rape, oppression of women, militantly expanding, killing, torturing, extortion (jizya), keeping kafir down (dhimmini status), etc.
Also, in Islam, Muslims are to be the instruments of Allah’s judgement ON THIS EARTH,
Fight against them so that Allah will punish them BY YOUR HANDS and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people, (Quran 9:14)
mortimer says
It is HARAM to criticize another Muslim even if the criticism is deserved as the following hadith shows:
Abdullah Ibn Umar reports: “One day, the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) climbed up the minbar (pulpit) and said loudly:
“O hypocrites who are Muslims in their words but into whose hearts faith failed to penetrate! Do not cause hardships to Muslims; do not criticize them; do not try to reveal their mistakes because whoever reveals his brother’s mistakes Allah will reveal his mistakes. If Allah reveals one’s mistakes, He will embarrass him publicly, even if the mistake is within his house (hidden from people).”
simpleton1 says
Yes Mortimer, they will not criticize as they consider it “in house” and only for their community.
So he will not dare to condemn this prominent imam in Canada.
as after all that is what he wants too, a Caliphate and sharia law.
There is a lot in that link as there are a couple of excerpts of Mazin AbdulAdhim face book posts, and excerpts from “Islamic Circle of North America”
All of it, organizations, words deeds, and everything about Mohammedan followers need to be opened up. That way the followers can decide.
If we stand firm, and that is we will have to be ruthlessly firm as it will be a life and death matter, and that goes for all of our leaders. We must make it politically safe so that mohammadans can apostatize.
The other half of the problem is where the western world philosophy at the moment is heading. Again it may have to be ruthlessly put, as it will involve life and death for apostates, and for ourselves as being treated as kaffir.
The ball (embarrassment) has to be put in their court, instead of us deciding whether to convert, dhimmi or be killed.
mortimer says
Syed Sohawardy claims against all evidence that ISIS is not Islamic. He knows he is lying. He is a mendacious taqiyya artist.
A former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani, has said that the Islamic State (IS) group follows the same brand of Islam as officially espoused by Saudi Arabia.
“We follow the same thought [as IS] but apply it in a refined way,” he said. “They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles.”
The cleric said that “we do not criticise the thought on which it (IS) is based”.
carol says
…but, but, but THE THOUGHT IS PARENT TO THE DEED!!
Lee Hicks says
The only violence we ever see is Jihadist in nature, Muslims pursuing violent Jihad. And still the cultural Jihad tactic is used (and accepted by too many foolish and naive non-Muslims), the position that Islam is actually the victim.
The fiction of backlash (which has never happened, that I’ve seen) is used in this way:
1) Muslims attack and kill innocents, using every bit of brutality, cruelty, and rage that is part and parcel of Islam.
2) Other Muslims quickly claim a false fear of reprisals, pretending to be victims, and promoting their own privileged status.
3) Dhimmis (non-Muslims acting in subservience to Islam) help with the lie, advancing Jihad through the culture and politics, attacking non-Muslims through peer-pressure and the promotion of Sharia
4) The cycle continues with the next attack.
This tactic was used by Mohammad, and continues today with liars such as this corrupt Imam.
Kris T says
Yes, the QUR’AN is their license to kill. Kind of like 007 with a beard (but smellier.)
annmarie says
Muslims come from a TRIBAL society. They work as a GROUP.
Police arrested 9 people in Birmingham, in early morning hours, after the London attack. 2 men are still in custody and 2 women are out on bail.
AleX says
Brits should retaliate like the Jews: terrorrists’ houses are immediately demolished, regardless of how many family members dwell there. If our UK jihadist had a bail on his name, it should immediately be forfeited. Jihad is always fostered in the kitchen.
Shmooviyet says
“Canadian Muslims are once again forced to apologize for something they had nothing to do with…” Cry me a river….
If only he were capable of imagining just how exhausted and disgusted the non-muslim world is: of HIS ‘religion’; its air of superiority; the never-ending victimhood; and the claims of expected violent backlash.
But he cannot, his narcissism won’t allow it.
Kris T says
By having faith they DO indeed “have something to do with it” – faith provides power to religion and all of religion’s anti-human teachings. No faith = no religion and no Jihad. By having faith they empower the Jihadists, because only someone with faith would believe that they magically get 72 virgins up in “paradise”, and avoid “hell”, all for killing people who think differently than they do (non-believers.) We are losing this war, because faith is winning.
simpleton1 says
That faith is also shared that the blood of a martyr also gives salvation points to his family.
That is why the martyr’s family and tribe will support each other, even to death. That is why they celebrate as it means that one of their own will be interceding for them not to go to hell.
I think we joke too much about the 72 virgins, though for a young fellow of course, but then for the love of his father and mother, brothers and sisters, cousins etc.
Richard says
Want to talk about hell? Think of the poor guy wanting to redecorate his place in heaven and each of his seventy-two wives have different ideas of what they want!
Frank Anderson says
Richard, whether wives or not they have no authority over the male. All women are more or less cattle under the domination of men in Islam, “The Religion of Peace”. Please take a look at MD Wafa Sultan’s book, A God who Hates, to see how little women matter in everyday Islamic society.
Is there a requirement or expectation that the “martyr” will “marry” the virgins, or the boys included in the “offer”? I don’t know.
Dan says
What?
Does he mean like how all Catholics are still bashed for the Inquisition, and the pedophile priests? (Total number of victims which came to only a few thousand by the way.)
Or does he mean how Israel and the Jews get bashed for everything?
Or does he mean how white people are held accountable for all of slavery when every other single race, creed and religion practiced it at some point in their history, and some groups, LIKE MUSLIMS, never did stop?
I don’t see Jews, Catholics and Protestants running around assaulting and killing their own in order to generate fake hate crimes against them.
And in pretty much ALL the other religions, anybody who’s lying, cheating, or hurting someone out of their faith, is not actually practicing their faith.
Muslims have to start coming up with versions of “One bad apple spoils the whole barrel” and such, and publicly sacrifice to clean up this mess. It IS their fault because they’re ALL reading out of the same book, and it’s from their own religious centers that these poisons are being spread.
If we had Christian and Jewish religious centers preaching slavery, or the murder of any not of those faiths, society would come down on them like a ton of bricks. It’s how we keep a lid on that garbage.
When I see Muslim “congregations” reporting their radical imams for hate crimes, when I see Imams bellowing from the pulpits, that all other religions have the right to exist, when I see mass Muslim condemnation of Hamas, Arafat and the like, and basically, when I see Muslims advocating for violence against infidels get the snot kicked out of them by much much larger groups of Muslims advocating kicking the snot out of any of all Muslims who calls for violence against infidels, only then will I believe Islam has had its reformation.
pdxnag says
Demand that pious Muslims who are offended by elementary Islamic calls to wage war on the Infidel to declare their apostasy from Islam.
Mirren10 says
”When a Christian commits one of these heinous acts, the entire community isn’t held responsible for it according to Syed Sohawardy with Muslims Against terrorism.”
And **what** Christians are committing ‘one of these heinous acts’, Sohawardy ? Give some examples, or STFU.
More whining victimhood, and taqyyah lying.
Kay says
Right. There are heinous acts committed by others–though I have not seen the number or the dregree of horror– but those others are not typically Christians and even if they are, they do not commit their sin in the name of Christ and the texts nor community do not sanction nor support those sins.
This sort of false equivalency works only with the irreligious or those Westerners who have sadly learned to be ashamed of their own culture.
JawsV says
Christianity doesn’t have Jihad commands. No Christian kills in the name of their religion. Only Muslims do that. More Moslem “false equivalence” again.
Richard says
JawsV
There is a reason for that. The Bible says anyone receiving Holy Communion not believing it is really Christ is committing a mortal sin. If Catholics force people to pretend to accept their religion out of fear of death or torture, who then receive Holy Communion, the person who forced them to “convert” will be guilty of that mortal sin. Of course, some did that anyway, but it was totally against the Faith. The Spanish Inquisition, for example, was not allowed to go after Jews or Muslims, and there were no Protestants in Spain. It was only to go after Catholics, and even then it killed very few, contrary to its reputation. Many very powerful Catholics at the time of the institution of the Inquisition were, in fact descended from Jews. That included St. Teresa of Avila, King Ferdinand and Torquemeda, the head of the Inquisition itself. One Cardinal was famous for praying “Holy Mary, Mother of God and my blood kinswoman.”
marina says
After every terrorist attack muslims say
1. The terrorist was not a real Muslim
2. Islam is a peaceful religion
3. These terrorist have hijacked our peaceful religion
4. 99% muslims do not terrorize. Only a tiny minority become terrorists
5. When christians commit crimes they are not called christian terrorists
6. Muslims are the most oppressed …..blah blah blah
Please Muslims read the koran from cover to cover in your own native language. Then tell us why was the “verse of the sword” was revealed to your beloved Prophet.
jayell says
“…..one imam who says other faith groups aren’t held to the same standards.”….
Quite so. Other faiths are held to higher standards. And their followers usually don’t need to have to apologise for anything, unlike the ‘Religion of Peace’.
Voytek Gagalka says
Reverse morality within Ummah. If individual German, for whatever reason, refused to condemn (nay, even acknowledge) Nazis’ atrocities, though he did not directly participate in them, of course we don’t condemn him the same way as we condemn actual evil doers. Nevertheless, however, we would hold him accountable on moral grounds as being INDIRECTLY involved, making Nazi power and those said atrocities possible to happen. And he, that average “innocent” German, should not be surprised to see some “backlash” against himself. The only way for him to redeem himself morally from that “baggage” is to unequivocally CONDEMN those other Germans guilty of crimes; openly state that he has nothing to do with them and will never ever give them his sanction and moral support or justification. Do we see any trace of similar attitude within Ummah toward their “fellow” jihadi? Never. So they are either cowards, or implicitly involved. They sunk into the swamp called Islam and it is up to them to free themselves from it. Until we see evidence of their sincerity, we shall keep their words in deep suspicion.
carol says
If the Ummah unequivocally rejects Islam’s main focuses:
1/ prurient thoughts of sexual coercion and sanctified dominance over females
2/ encouragement of hard-hearted action in pursuit of genocide, rape, heavenly & worldly gain.
3/ a demand for enforced conceptualization and uniformity about the God-concept.
THERE’S NOTHING LEFT except:
1/ quibbling over contorted trivia of spurious “depth” in one boys club or another
2/ obsessive compulsive rules as to how to enter a mosque, how to wipe your butt, how to eat etc.
Once the nasty trappings are gone from this contrary “religion” there’s only a peaceful, black void. The formula is unmasked and the industry and narcissism will collapse. THEIR IMAMS AND SCHOLARS (sugar-coated politicians) ARE SURELY WELL AWARE OF THIS.
mgoldberg says
So, according to Islam, Being a muslim means never having too say your sorry. As opposed to non muslims, who
must always, say they’re sorry, just for being alive.
Halal Bacon says
yes, it is called Kafirophobia; is closed-minded prejudice against or hatred of Non-Believers and Kafirs.
Stan Lee says
The complaining Imam neglects to recognize the fact that most of the directives of the quran have become known to non-Muslims, at least those who have paid attention to what drives Islam to behave as it does. Those directives are written to bring similar results no matter the perpetrator, and as horrendous as the acts are, each and every Muslim obeying those directives duplicates similar attacks that have happened and have inspired other Muslims to also attack.
The quran has been designed to motivate its masses of followers, not just the single individual. It is definitely composed for volume prospecting of its believers and it works, we can see that it works by the blood-lust which can occur thousands of miles apart from each attack, yet the attacks having similar methods and similar results. And, if the perpetrator is alive at the end of the attack, the usual attacker’s words are also now familiar to non-Muslims, as “Allahu akbar..” “God is greater” That is Islam’s emphasis, that its god is greater than all other gods, and consider what they choose to do to demonstrate their god as greater. If it smacks of the seventh century, it is because it is.
I doubt if this Imam can reliably tell us that he has never preached to his mosque the directives that set Muslims on a course to kill and maim. Preaching against non-believers is Islam’s constant message, and if it fails for conversion, the next activity would be to reduce the non-believers by shedding their blood.
JawsV says
IMO Muslims worldwide should be apologizing up and down for the horrors Islam has inflicted upon the world in the 21st century, beginning with 9/11. But, Muslims killing “Infidels” isn’t regarded as “horrors” by Muslims. It’s regarded as obeying Allah’s Jihad commands in the war manual Koran.
billybob says
Forced to apologize for something they had nothing to do with? Hardly. Islam is to blame, and they give this ideology disguised as a religion political cover. And they constantly lie about it… “Islam is a religion of peace”. They are responsible for false advertizing. If they didn’t lie, people would be better prepared to confront Jihad terror. And we certainly wouldn’t be importing Muslims into our country as fast as we can! Thus they are responsible for any and all terror attacks.
Someone who owns a cross dog is responsible to keep it on a leash and tied up when the mailman comes around. They are responsible to put up a sign “Cross dog”, or some suitable warning to protect the innocents. So too are these Imams responsible to inform the community of the violent aspects of their faith.
Cigarette manufacturers are responsible to put warnings on their cigarette packages. Drug companies are responsible to advise of adverse reactions to their drugs. The principle of truth in advertizing and legal responsibility are well established jurisprudence. We can sue in any of these circumstances if we are not properly advised. So too we should be able sue these Imams who not only fail to warn us of the dangers of Islam, but even worse, lie to us and say they don’t exist.
Frank Anderson says
Billybob, I have had to read meters. Warning signs do not overcome the right of the utility to access its meters and other equipment. Meter readers and mail deliverers are granted absolute right to access and to be safe from any trap or animal that may harm them. You would be a target for a BIG claim if your dog harmed a person that you have invited to your home as part of the contract (express or implied) to receive the service involved. Please consult your insurance agent and your attorney so that you understand your rights and duties.
You are absolutely correct about the “false advertising”. Anyone who relies on that false advertising in the face of all the killings and other violence worldwide “assumes the risk” (legal doctrine of ‘assumption of the risk’) by being an idiot instead of a reasonable prudent person. Muslims, and especially Imams lie. It is part of the fundamental teaching of Islam. A Muslim’s word or promise to an Infidel is utterly meaningless, as has been taught and practiced for 1400 years.
In order to support a claim arising from that lie, there needs to be among other things that a person reasonably relies on the false representation. As one who long ago did not know better, but has subsequently found out, I am grateful that I understand and recognize the situation of the great and continuing lie.
carol says
Frank, you have given birth to a great idea: Turn their own tactics upon them, demand recompense for abuse and exploitation of social services – grab the oil wells and permanently silence anyone who objects. Two birds with one stone..
Frank Anderson says
Carol, there is usually more than 1 way to accomplish a goal. Contrary to what some thoughtless, brainless idiots believe and practice. I had a lesson when learning how to drive 18 wheelers: If you can’t solve the problem safely as presented change the problem. Your life, safety and safety of the truck and cargo are non-negotiable. That lesson has served me well many times both in driving and many other places.
TJ says
The other day I was reading the koran and I came across a verse which said allah wills it when a polytheist murders their baby. This is such perverse arrogance by the writer of the koran over the poor little baby. JW readers should all be on the side of the murdered little one. It is best for the soul to be this way. Other revolting things I have found in the koran are ugly exaggerations about the Jews, use of a fable about Moses as evidence muslims should kill their child if they are not muslim enough, and elimination of the quotes of Jesus. These are just a few of the grievances in this book. The men who wrote the koran obviously have no talent with God. I believe they have no talent because they arrogantly support human sacrifice of babies, which should cause God to turn the back and let them be corrupted. This should be the final judgment made on the koran. Thankfully, the writers of the constitution showed they are more fit to lead than the authors of the koran. They showed they are the better men when they wrote of the need to give people due process before they lose life or property. These people obviously were concerned about phony death sentences taking place in America, which raises them up over the head of the perverted writers of the koran.
davej says
I suggest a new name when referring to Islam: IZLAM.
This better suggests the connotation and connection with the Nazi ideology.
Izlam, the ideology of your submission and their Supremacy.
putridislam says
Instead of going on about non existent backlash against islam and fake islamophobia why hasn’t Trudeau passed a Canadian law banning sharia? That’s what Canadians should ask themselves.
carol says
putridislam…Canada has gotten a wake-up call (many thanks to Trump voters). Unfortunately we cannot vote directly for our leader as Americans do:
The Prime Minister is not directly elected; instead, he is appointed by the Queen after the general election. The leader of the party that secures the most seats in the House of Commons automatically becomes Prime Minister and subsequently forms the government.
ada sent this link out the other day and wants all Canadians to REMEMBER NEXT ELECTION WHETHER YOUR MP VOTED FOR OR AGAINST M-103:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/find-out-how-your-mp-voted-in-the-house-of-commons-on-m-103-the-anti-islamophobia-motion
Sign the petition against shariah law in Canada.
Thousands of Canadians are signing petition e-909 on the government’s petitions website. It reads like a direct response to certain concerns about M-103, calling upon the government to propose an amendment to the Constitution Act “stating that Shariah Law or separate Shariah family courts will never have a place in the Canadian Justice System
https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-909
Please forward it to others and post on FB.
carol says
(oops, accidentally hit Post)…Act for Canada sent out the link re MP’s who voted for or against M-103.
Also Dum Spero said something alarming on the 24th re e909:
“The better way to word that is to BAN ALL FOREIGN LAWS. Politically connected folk of a particular ilk could cite discrimination and get it thrown out and harder to effect the next time.
The petition can succeed if worded properly though… ”
I’ve seen some pretty sloppy petitions. Maybe someone in the big, sophisticated USA could make sure we’re doing it right?
God's Warrior says
In every mosque in the world, you start every Friday service with a prayer asking Allah to give the muslims victory over the unbelievers, then afterwards you speak of talking rocks and trees begging muslims to behead unbelievers. You press for sharia, so clearly the Islamic warrior class feel energized and motivated by your inflammatory words.
Every page incites excites the believers’ delusions of grandeur, making them feel above the animal kafirs, to the point where murder/rape/slavery/robbery seem within their grasp. Then the would-be warrior heroes jump on their horses and charge at the kafir on the only path to paradise.
In truth, everyone who supports the violent scriptures continues the lunacy and bears part of sin, part of the blame. It’s called karma – Allah’s way of straightening out our misguided hearts.
If you really want the karma to end, remove the texts that promote the violence. Otherwise, just accept that each and every one of you pays in some way for each evil promoted or perform.
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gravenimage says
Canada: Imam fears backlash after London jihad attack,
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We knew this crap was coming–Muslims *always* say they fear phantom “backlash” that never happens.
More:
…says he shouldn’t have to condemn jihad massacres
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We are supposed to take this to mean that Muslims’s condemnation of Jihad goes without saying–what it *really* means is that few Muslims condemn Jihad.
And why would they? Violent Jihad is a core part of Islam.
More:
“Just like any other faith community. If in the Christian community, somebody commits a crime, the Christianity does not get blamed. All Christians are not responsible for the crimes of that person who has a christian faith.”…
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Christians do sometimes commit crimes. They do not commit crimes in the name of Christianity, though, nor on the texts and tenets of Christianity, nor on the model of Jesus.
Would that we could say the same of Islam and the vicious “Prophet”.
More Ham Ed says
“…other faith groups aren’t held to the same standards.”
30527 deadly documented ISLAMIC terror attacks since 9/11.
About 1000 deadly ISLAMIC attacks for every “other” category.
I.E. not the same as other “faiths.”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Ethel Red The Unready says
I don’t care how much these Imams complain about being compared to violence in other countries caused by extremists. I don’t give a damn about translations of verses, it doesn’t have to be that complicated. Go into your Mosques and tell all of your followers that- #1- All parts of your Koran that call for the deaths of anyone, for any reason are invalid, #2- The laws of the country (ABSOLUTELY NO SHARIA) must be followed. Simple Eh! These words from a Blue Collar Canadian Grunt.
Politicianphobia says
Please remember when making comments Justine Trudeau, the snowboarder, also loved Castro the mass murder. Canadians who know how to think despise the traitor. Trudeau, Soros, Khan it just goes on and on. God help us all.
Angemon says
Soharwardy. Why am I not surprised?
Canada says
He doesn’t have, but who the hell in their right mid would not?
Another example of what a xxxxed up ideology islam is.