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Catholic scholar of Islam: “The average Muslim sees Islam as a religion of peace”

Mar 1, 2017 12:13 pm By Robert Spencer

A November 2015 Pew Research Center poll showed that only 28% of Muslims in Pakistan had an unfavorable view of the Islamic State. A Pew Research poll in 2013 showed that only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapproved of al-Qaeda, and only 51% disapproved of the Taliban. Two-thirds of Muslims in Britain would not report a terror plot to the police.

Fr. Michel says: “The document Nostrae [sic] aetate says that the Church has ‘esteem’ for Muslims. It doesn’t mean that we should just tolerate Muslims or put up with Muslims. ‘Esteem’ means to try to see what people have that’s good and appreciate them for that.”

That’s a good and charitable thing to do with anyone. But does it free us from the obligation to protect our families and loved ones from genuine threats? Does the obvious decency of innumerable Muslims excuse us from recognizing the reality of the jihad doctrine that mandates the conquest and subjugation of unbelievers under the hegemony of Islamic law?

Should our esteem from Muslims lead us to be silent about the Muslim persecution of Christians? “Fr. Michel noted that when the Fathers of the Council taught us, they didn’t deny the past conflict and tension between Catholics and Muslims, but they did say that it is in the past.” They were wrong. It isn’t in the past, as even the most cursory knowledge of the decimation of the ancient Christian communities of Iraq and Syria should show. “We have to understand that totalitarianism based on Islamic creed is the worst among all systems of government. Yes, my friends, the very survival of Christians in the cradle of Christianity is quite in danger.” So said the patriarch of the Syriac Catholic Church of Antioch, Ignatius Joseph III Younan.

Yet the Church as a whole has said almost nothing at all. Why? Why are Church leaders in the West so uniformly silent about the Muslim persecution of Christians? Out of “esteem” for Muslims? Jean-Clément Jeanbart, the Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop of Aleppo, gave an interview to a French reporter in which he was highly critical of the mainstream media and even of his fellow bishops for ignoring the Muslim persecution of Middle Eastern Christians. “The European media,” he charged, “have not ceased to suppress the daily news of those who are suffering in Syria and they have even justified what is happening in our country by using information without taking the trouble to verify it.” And as for his brother bishops in France, “the conference of French bishops should have trusted us, it would have been better informed. Why are your bishops silent on a threat that is yours today as well? Because the bishops are like you, raised in political correctness. But Jesus was never politically correct, he was politically just!”

Archbishop Jeanbart was not the first to say this. “Why, we ask the western world, why not raise one’s voice over so much ferocity and injustice?” asked Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, the head of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI). Syriac Catholic Patriarch Ignatius Ephrem Joseph III Younan himself has in the past appealed to the West “not to forget the Christians in the Middle East.” The Melkite Greek Catholic Patriarch Gregory III has also said: “I do not understand why the world does not raise its voice against such acts of brutality.”

But the Patriarch should have understood, since he is a major part of the problem. After all, he himself said: “No one defends Islam like Arab Christians.” It is to defend Islam that Western clerics do not raise their voice against such acts of brutality. It is to pursue a fruitless and chimerical “dialogue” that bishops in the U.S. and Europe keep silent about Muslim persecution of Christians, and enforce that silence upon others. Robert McManus, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Massachusetts, said it on February 8, 2013 as he was suppressing a planned talk at a Catholic conference on that persecution: “Talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.”

Remember that Mohamed Atta, about the plane he had hijacked on September 11, 2001, told passengers over the intercom: “Stay quiet and you’ll be OK.” The Catholic Church appears to have adopted that statement as its policy regarding Muslim persecution of Christians.

“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)

“Priest: We need to praise what is good, true in the Muslim faith,” by Hannah Brockhaus, Catholic News Agency, February 28, 2017:

Vatican City, Feb 28, 2017 / 06:02 am (CNA).- Not only is there a good deal in common between Muslims and Christians, but Catholics are called to respect and work together with those who practice the Muslim faith in recognition of truth and goodness they do possess, said Islam scholar Fr. Thomas Michel.

Fr. Michel, who holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology and worked under Pope John Paul II as head of the Vatican Office for Relations with Muslims, told CNA that Benedict XVI, like both St. John Paul II and Pope Francis, have all repeated the same message regarding Muslims – that of the Second Vatican Council.

“The document Nostrae [sic] aetate says that the Church has ‘esteem’ for Muslims,” he said. “It doesn’t mean that we should just tolerate Muslims or put up with Muslims. ‘Esteem’ means to try to see what people have that’s good and appreciate them for that.”

The major “common point” between Christianity and Islam, Fr. Michel said, is that both faiths believe in the existence of only one God, and that both are trying to do what this one God wants.

Therefore, “how can we be enemies with people who are also, like us, trying to worship the one God?” he said. “Since the time of the Second Vatican Council, we’ve seen that part of our work as Christians is to be in dialogue with people of other faiths.”

“And this means not only talking to them and listening to them, but it also means cooperating with them, working together with them for good.”

This dialogue, Fr. Michel emphasized, isn’t just about making peace with each other, although that is important, but is about “the kind of world we live in” and how that makes it important that we all come to know each other better.

Fr. Michel noted that when the Fathers of the Council taught us, they didn’t deny the past conflict and tension between Catholics and Muslims, but they did say that it is in the past, and “what we have to do now is work together for the common good.”

The document Nostrae [sic] aetate is the declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions from the Second Vatican Council, promulgated by Pope Paul VI on October 28, 1965.

Fr. Michel referenced a part of the document that says that the Church “rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.”

“The Church, therefore,” it continues, “exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.”

Four ways we can collaborate with Muslims or those of other faiths, Fr. Michel said, is by together working to build peace, and to promote social justice, “true human values,” and “true human freedom.”

A Jesuit, Fr. Thomas Michel has lived and worked among Muslims himself for many years, particularly in Turkey. He first went to Indonesia, joining the order’s Indonesia Province, in 1969….

If worried about Islamic extremists or that the Muslim religion will overwhelm Christian values in Western society, Fr. Michel said to try to remember that in the case of refugees, they “want the same things that normal Americans want.”

They want “to raise their children to be good God-fearing people, and to have a life, to have a job, to enjoy simple enjoyments. They’re no different than we are,” he said.

He said that in his experience, those who have negative attitudes about Muslims have only experienced the religion through TV or the newspaper, but that those “who know Muslims…have a very different attitude.”

“I’ve lived among thousands of Muslims…The people that I’ve lived with in many different countries, they go from birth to death, and from children to grandchildren, and there’s no violence in their lives,” he said.

“The average Muslim sees Islam as a religion of peace.”

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  1. Halal Bacon says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    One word, sycophant; A person who attempts to gain advantage by flattering influential people or behaving in a servile manner.

  2. Jaladhi says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    And there is difference between what the average Muslim thins and what he does. In a nano second he adopts the ways of Mohammad and goes out to slay infidels!!

    And if he still thinks Islam is a religion of peace, he is delusional or just plain liar and hypocrite!

    • Charli Main says

      Mar 1, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      There is only one cure for Muslims infected with the Islamo rabies virus. Apostasy.

      • Carolyne says

        Mar 2, 2017 at 11:05 am

        “Who will rid us of this meddlesome priest?”

  3. no_one says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    Christians and muslims do not worship the same God. Muslim god is Satan. It should be clear from reading both the Bible and the Quran. I find it despicable that an old man wants to influence the lives of my innocent children in a bad way. No respect for such a man. And when they say that RCC is the Church they are wrong too. The guy knows nothing about muslims.

    • StacyGirl says

      Mar 1, 2017 at 9:25 pm

      Tell that to my Marianist pastor. He managed to turn Ash Wednesday into Ass Wednesday with his love for allah and the interior struggles of his followers.

    • pete salveinini says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 1:01 am

      no one says Yes indeed God and allah are not the same. All one has to do is read the account of M.’s primary experience in the cave in Mecca. An Agent entered fiercely grabbed him and forced him to repeat that “there is no God but allah and you M are his messenger.”

      Some accounts say that this Agent was INVISIBLE and grasped M with a claw to the chest and a second claw to his back until he could not stand the pain and agreed,; immediately M was released and the Agent disappeared’ whereupon M terrified ran to his wife and claimed he had been accosted by a demon. SHE then calmed him down by saying that Agent was not a demon but the Archangel Gabriel.
      Others say it was a strong young man, or a jinn.
      All sources are Muslim
      NO SURPRISE THAT THIS EXPERIENCE IS REPEATED OVER AND OVER AS THE METHOD OF PROPAGATING ISLAM.: Just before his death M said to his followers JIHAD, JIHAD, JIHAD.

      Moderating attitudes are remnants of Christianity whose ancestors gave in or traces of the natural law.

      • Carolyne says

        Mar 2, 2017 at 11:11 am

        It was not his “Wife” to whom he ran, but his boss’ wife with whom he had taken a trip to the desert where the “Angel” (Or whatever) appeared. Mohammed was a camel driver and he and the boss’ wife were, shall we say, very familiar with each other. This was the reason for their being in a cave together. Although their story was that they were forming a new religion, apparently the boss bought it and so Islam was born. .

        • LJ says

          May 17, 2017 at 3:55 am

          Carolyne: exactly what value is your comment???? deflecting? stick to the topic… who he ran to, in the ‘grand scheme of things’ is immaterial. You gotta see the forest for the trees instead of being a nit-pick…

    • Joe says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 5:56 am

      Yes, that should be obvious. Jesus was a virgin, and Allah runs a big whore house called Heaven. Pretty much every page of the Koran says that we should hate our neighbor, but Jesus says to love every one. They can’t be the same God. It is blasphemy against God to suggest that they are.

      • Carolyne says

        Mar 2, 2017 at 11:15 am

        Some believe that Mary Magdalen was Jesus’ wife. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus was a virgin? I think that the bible alludes to Mary as the virgin. I do not understand why all religions are so preoccupied with sex and virginity. It was said that Alexander the Great was born of a virgin. It was some kind of show of respect. Not being a virgin is no shame or sin. It is human.

  4. ZULU says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    OT

    http://www.therebel.media/81035/save-the-christians Look what ISIS terrorists did to this Christian Bible!

    • Carolyne says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 11:16 am

      The bible is a book, like any other book. If it is holy as some believe, it can’t be destroyed in spirit.

  5. Westman says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    If Christ had said, in the mount sermon, “kill them wherever you find them”, or, “cut off their hand and foot on opposite sides of the body”, or, “whoever changes his Christian religion, kill him”, yet, the majority of current Christians were “peaceful” – would that cause it to be regarded as peaceful?

    Of course it would not, because the recipe for approved violence would be lying in scripture just waiting for a group to believe in it. ISIS is a legitimate product of Islam’s Allah-and-Muhammad’s recipe.

    As long as approved violence against unbelievers is in the Quran and Sunna there cannot be a peaceful Islam – which, since Islam cannot change them to remove approved violence, means, never.

    • Carolyne says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 11:17 am

      Excellent, Westman.

  6. john spielman says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 1:41 pm

    this another reason for the REFORMATION,( if it had not happened in the 15 th century)!- The Catholic church leadership is corrupt and unbiblical- as islam is a doctrine of Satan himself according the words of St Paul!

    as Jesus the Christ commanded we should/ must love muslims -as sinners like ourselves, but HATE ISLAM, which is an evil antiChrist doctrine that is will lead billions of people into hell fire

    • Crusades Were Right! says

      Mar 1, 2017 at 5:17 pm

      When Catholic clergy speak about Mohammedanism, or any other aspect of world affairs, they are not representing Catholic doctrine (i.e. they are not speaking ex-cathedra); they are merely expressing their individual or collective opinion.

      In other words, the ordinary Catholic is perfectly within his doctrinal rights to think of them as blowing smoke out of their rear-ends, while remaining fully a member of the Catholic Church.

    • TH says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 1:22 pm

      How do you think we ever got the Bible? Do you think that Luther and Calvin gave it to us int he 16th century? It was the Church in the early centuries that established the Biblical Canon, or which books form part o the Bible and which to not. Don’t give us more about Islam needing a reformation like the Protestant Reformation, which was no reformation, but a revolution which brought about a long series of civil wars in Europe.

  7. davej says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    Then average Muslims must have a high tolerance for cognitive dissonance. How could you read the Quran and conclude it is a Religion of Peace?

    I suppose that if you were brainwashed since birth and told that you are “the best of people” while also being told that if you have any disagreements you will be killed, then anything is possible.

    • maghan says

      Mar 1, 2017 at 3:01 pm

      Most Muslims are ignorant illiterates and have not read the Qur’an. All they know is their simple-minded prayers and its head banging and to go to mosque on Fridays. They don’t know that their God is “Allah the moon God”. Primitive fools.

      • AleX says

        Mar 1, 2017 at 4:03 pm

        The ones who refuse to see the obvious horror in muslamic texts are retarded, dumb or simply hypocrites. Illiteracy is no longer an excuse in this century. mohomot (the ‘profit’ of islam) is an abomination of the human kind. Those who worship a killer and a rapist are the lowest scum and deserve to be treated accordingly.

      • boakai ngombu says

        Mar 2, 2017 at 12:15 pm

        they do know SHARIA and must live it, or else.

  8. Walter Sieruk says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    That Roman Catholic scholar does ,at least to the degree, does have a valid point that “The average Muslims sees Islam as a religion of peace.” This is because of a number of reasons. First, that person who is a sincere Muslim a be in a condition of denial about actual violent essence of the aspects of Islam. For the mental state of denial is a strong and powerful emotion . Second, some mosques in America have imams who teach a watered down non–violent Islam. As in contrast to the hard ,core violent and deadly form of Islam that is not watered down at all. The Muslims in those mosques who practice have a watered -down type of Islam naturally would view Islam as a “religion of peace.”
    Third, as one former Muslim who is now a Christian, Nabeel Qureshi informs the reader of his book ANSWERING JIHAD who on 9/11 was still a Muslim ,as a peaceful Muslim along with his other non- violent Muslims friends . Qureshi wrote on page 15 “When twin towers fell,the eyes oft he nation turned to American Muslims for an explanation..I sincerely believe September 11 was a greater shock for American Muslims like my family than then the average American….We had to assure everyone that Islam was a religion of peace, just as we had always known. I remember hearing the slogan at my mosque that I shared with many ‘ The terrorists who hijacked the planes on September 11 also hijacked Islam. ” Nevertheless Qureshi had started to wonder that maybe he should investigate for himself the nature of Islam and the jihad . So on page 16 he wrote about his conclusion to his study of this specific aspect of Islam. .Which his “After years of investigation . I had to face the reality . There is a great deal of violence in Islam, even in the very foundation of the faith…”

  9. Buford says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    Peaceful Huh, Is it peaceful to Rape little girls, Promote violence against non Muslims? What about Deception? World Domination Marrying 6 Year Olds,
    Having groups Like CAIR who are associated with HAMAS I sure do not see anything peaceful about them.

  10. mortimer says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    Fr. Henri Boulad of Cairo said:

    “Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe or atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.

    To the contrary, I think Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.

    Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.

    But what is Islamism?

    Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.

    Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.”

    • Rufolino says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 3:28 am

      Thank you Mortimer. Fr.Boulad put the matter brilliantly.

  11. Katherine says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    These peaceful ignorant followers are essentially the useful pawns in this power-game. Even without evoking the violent aspects, they are already supporting the jihad agenda – believing that sharia law is supreme to all national laws : by insisting that burkas and hijabs are mandatory : by uncontrolled overpopulation to upset demographics : by demanding universal halal certification – by cultural and educational isolation with madrassa school system etc – the list is long.

    Their ignorance is dangerous because they have no knowledgeable defense against the demands of religiously well-educated fundamentalists who can easily persuade them to follow their ‘right path’ so to speak.

  12. JMB says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    Here in Oz yesterday a Muslim was arrested for aiding ISIS. He was a local electrician working in his own business in a quiet country town here in NSW. He was also at least a second generation “Australian”. Apparently he was providing technical, as in electrical matters, assistance to IS.

    All of his neighbours and townspeople have been making comments such as; “But he seemed such a nice polite, peaceful and helpful man”.. I think the whole local community is in shock over this.

    I think we need to examine the “religion of peace” always in the context of incidents such as this.

  13. Steve Klein says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    OT: Is Lt. Gen. McMaster a fox in the hen house?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/mcmaster-national-security-council-staff-changes-235579

    ‘McMaster rolls back Flynn’s changes at NSC’

    Trump’s new national security adviser is eliminating positions created by his ousted predecessor.

    By ELIANA JOHNSON, NAHAL TOOSI and KENNETH P. VOGEL 03/01/17 03:03 PM

  14. Angemon says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Fr. Michel noted that when the Fathers of the Council taught us, they didn’t deny the past conflict and tension between Catholics and Muslims, but they did say that it is in the past

    As victors usually do. Well, victors with a certain minimum threshold of civility – I don’t see muslim nations treating non-muslims like that…

  15. Sam says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    “The average Muslim sees Islam as a religion of peace”

    Well then, average muslim is not a muslim. He/she must be converted to Islam or give jizya or die according to Islamic tradition,

    IDIOT

  16. Larry says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    Typical modern day Jesuit. Just like his boss in the Lateran.

    The Jesuits strayed so far from intellectual rigour in the decades after WWII that their founder would no longer recognize the.

  17. abad says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    ““The document Nostrae [sic] aetate says that the Church has ‘esteem’ for Muslims. It doesn’t mean that we should just tolerate Muslims or put up with Muslims. ‘Esteem’ means to try to see what people have that’s good and appreciate them for that.””

    That goes completely against the Biblical doctrine of Original Sin and if this liberal Michel actually thinks people are basically good then I have a bridge to sell him at a very cheap price.

  18. Kepha says

    Mar 1, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    So what? Is the Pope a Roman Catholic?

    One of Fr. Michel’s own brethren, Alasdair MacIntyre, observed that words like _reason_ and _justice_ take their meanings from within the traditions of discourse in which they are uttered. Hence, a hard-core Muslim would find no problem in thinking his religion a “religion of peace”. After all, it is unjust in his opinion that the Kufr should sully the earth, and hence reasonable that jihad must be waged until either the Kufr converts, is dead, or submits and pays jizya. Unhappily, to the rest of us, operating in alien traditions, this seems both unjust and unreasonable.

    Esteem for Muslims–our Christian tradition views all humans as bearers of the divine image. However, with the fall of Adam, we are all of us who are born of ordinary generation dead in our sins, and need regeneration by the Holy Spirit to respond to God, as he presents himself in Christ. As far as I can tell, this is the fundamental message of the New Testament. I miss any note of this sort in the proclamations of the various official spokesmen for the major denominations. No wonder Islam is beating up on us right and left. But it is also clear that as long as these spokesmen say nothing of the Gospel of grace, they cannot expect for God to bless their message.

  19. frederick King says

    Mar 2, 2017 at 4:31 am

    I suppose, in a muslim way, they are peaceful. Didn’t muhammad say there would be peace on earth only when all converted to islam, were subjegated , or killed. They are working for peace, in their beady litlle inter bred brains.

  20. Troybeam says

    Mar 2, 2017 at 10:51 am

    The church can say anything but its main interest is money.

    • Carolyne says

      Mar 2, 2017 at 11:31 am

      “Lay not up for yourself treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt and thieves do not break through and steal.” KJV

      I do not know if the Catholic bible has this admonition, but the Catholic Church would do well to read and heed it. While visiting the Vatican, one becomes acutely aware of this.

  21. Edward Dillon says

    Mar 2, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    Follow the money, that saying is so true all over the world. People have been selling each other out for decades, islam has the money, thanks to the world demand for oil, other wise most of the Muslims would still be living in caves and tents, riding camels and unable to spread the devils work.

  22. citycat says

    Mar 2, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    Two thirds of Muslims in UK would not report a terror threat?

    No way

    I have known more Muslims personally than have most Muslims

    And it is far above two thirds

  23. John A. Marre says

    Mar 2, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    Love is great, etc, but baring one’s neck to invading savages is not a recommendation of the gospel.

  24. Bill Shackelford says

    Mar 4, 2017 at 1:49 am

    Liberals, Democrats, Progressives, socialists, all still flabbergasted; wondering how Donald Trump managed to gain sufficient traction to become a serious candidate, and ultimately President. How he succeeded was the same way President Reagan did, by refusing to acquiesce to political correctness. President Trump began his quest for the White House with a promise to limit immigration, based on radical Islam: he closed his final debate with a reference to a “Trojan Horse.” In doing so, he placed America, and the Constitution, next to Islam, and sharia law, and declared them incompatible.

  25. Franklin P. Uroda says

    Mar 10, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Thank you for this article and the plethora or remarks. Helped me immensely.

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