Good. They don’t want to appear racist or “Islamophobic.” And what could possibly go wrong? What possible harm could Algerians, Moroccans, or Tunisians do in Germany? They are grateful, loyal refugees! Go back to sleep.
“German efforts to deport North Africans thwarted by upper house,” Reuters, March 10, 2017:
Germany’s upper house of parliament on Friday rejected a law already approved by the lower house to classify Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia as safe countries of origin that would make it easier to deport failed asylum seekers from those states.
The law, which passed through the Bundestag lower house in May, would have allowed authorities to speed up the processing of asylum seekers from those countries and then deport them if their applications were rejected….
kessler says
Who are these people?!?
It’s staggering if the people voting against this law are German nationals, because they seem hellbent on protecting people born and raised in a culture which would support the demise of their Western values.
What’s in it for these people? Do they think these North Africans are going to be grateful and seamlessly adapt to German culture?
In a sane society, failed asylum means no entry.
Custos Custodum says
Re-posted from other thread (about Sweden’s failure to deport even convicted child rapists):
To Europe’s elites, rape and humiliation of the native population is a desired feature, not a bug of the painstakingly arranged Operation 4M – Massive Muslim Male Migration.
Note the “FIVE NOES” of what we are NOT seeing in Europe:
(1) NO attempt to facilitate the immigration of non-Muslims from countries with dire humanitarian conditions.
(2) NO attempt to facilitate the migration of Muslim women.
(3) NO attempt to perform basic biometric assessments or to check ID’s or even countries of origin of alleged refugees. All the while, social benefits are handed out hand over fist.
(4) As shown in the article, NO attempt to deport convicted murderers, rapists and other violent criminals to their home countries or to willing (paid) third countries.
THIRD COUNTRY DEPORTATION is many times cheaper than nurturing vipers in the West and also addresses the problem of home countries unwilling to take their filth back.
(5) NO attempt to impose fundamental Western values, to require language acquisition, or to require participation in public service (e.g. picking up trash, cleaning public toilets) or even job training as a condition of continued residence and receipt of subsidies.
(For non-U.S. readers: in the U.S., those convicted of lesser crimes are often sentenced to a number of hours of “community service” which usually means picking up roadside trash under supervision.)
Michael says
Rather than outrage of any sort, there is more likely, among the globalists — which includes most politicians in most parties in most countries — are quite satisfied. Mission being accomplished. Along come the likes of Trump and Le Pen and others with a true nationalist mindset — they throw a wrench, or potentially, in the whole works.
What’s happening is very transparent … once your eyes are opened. All the pieces, like the ‘five noes’ — come together, and it all makes sense. It’s all part of a big, long-term plan.
Angemon says
I wonder how many of the politicians in the upper house have family/friends benefiting from state-sponsored programs to help “refugees” settle in Germany…
mortimer says
Agree with Angemon. Some of the upper house senators must have family running migrant HOTELS and MOTELS and other services in which they have a personal interest.
An investigative reporter should find out WHO IS BENEFITTING FROM THE MIGRANTS????
Cui bono????
gravenimage says
“Who benefits?” *is* an important question to ask–but it not the only one. I think the idea that every member of the Upper House of the Bundestag is financially benefiting from Muslim immigration is highly unlikely.
I think this has more to do with “virtue signalling” than it does lining their pockets.
Rufolino says
Yes Gravenimage, the politically correct virtue-signalling is the vital element, and is the reason Merkel will by re-elected by Germans.
Germans will only awaken from this collective madness in 20 years time when they will stand astonished at their parents’ foolishness. It has happened before.
gravenimage says
I hope Germans wake up sooner than this, Rufalino.
mark says
Agreed but of course these days its hard to find an honest actual journalist, ie one that is truthfull instead of pushing the ‘agenda’.
Needless to say, in the uk the likes of the bbc and skynews has no such person, or if they do they dont get to do the news…
Am thinking of the lying agenda bbc and skynews show aout trump.
Custos Custodum says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesrat_of_Germany#Voting
Guy Macher says
I am reminded of what President Andrew Jackson reportedly said of a SCOTUS ruling: “Supreme Court Justice Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!”
Time for peasants with pitchforks to descend on the suicidal elites.
Sharon says
So you dont have to be fleeing WAR -you just Push your way into Germany and Sweden now .Get European bitches and Welfare While you lay about .plotting terrorist attacks .scoff good luck German Citizens better Get the biggest most successful black market for self defense weapons Europe has ever seen .Its time .They will not help you or your Lawful EUROPEAN ciEUROPEANliberal #shitforbrains would Rather see your throats slit then tell Millions of Muslims NO Admittance GTFO
andra says
It were the Greenies again who refused more security to the Germans. Some German Bundesländer have a Left-green government or a right-green government. And if one of the partners does not agree with a law that should pass by these Bundesländer simply refrain from the vote. As one of the favorite slogans for the German greenies is “Germany, you piece of sh…” or “Germany, conk out!” they prefer to prevent useful laws and do everything to destroy Germany and those who have been living here for longer.
That does not mean that we should have had this law at all if there were no greenies. Then another party would have denied the approval
Stan Lee says
The fact is, Merkel’s African guests have not done enough evil to qualify for deportation.
It’s a good thing that this German “Upper House” were not part of the Nuremberg War Trials, they’d have rewarded to worst of the Nazis.
brane pilot says
1914 : Germans dance in the streets at the outbreak of WWI
1938 : Germans dance in the streets at the annexation of Austria
2015 : Germans dance in the streets as Europe is invaded by a Million military-age Muslim men.
Three is a charm.
Germany finally succeeded in destroying Europe.
gravenimage says
I don’t think many native Germans are “dancing in the streets” over this latest madness.
utis says
Are the German Upper House from hereditary nobility or the moneyed classes, or are they more like American senators, with a potential for coming from the masses and having for sympathy for their needs (I did say, “potential”).
gravenimage says
There is no real hereditary nobility in Germany, utis. From what I understand of the Bundestag, all members are elected–I’m not sure they are exactly like American senators, though. Can we get clarification from German Jihad Watchers?
Michael says
I think much of the ‘reasoning’ behind this is that there is a globalist agenda for a one world government. And the Muslims play the perfect role of destroying sovereign nations. Have you read ‘Stealth Invasion’ by Leo Hohmann? He lays out pretty clearly, what is obvious from that perspective.
George W Bush, after 9-11, did nothing to protect borders. The southern border of the US has been unprotected through his administration, and not just Obama’s. GW Bush, and all the Bush family, are part and parcel of the new world order that Daddy Bush talked openly about.
All Republican senators, all Democrats — perhaps there are a few exceptions? I don’t know — are all part of the plan to destroy the sovereign United States. As are these politicians in Germany. Are some ‘good hearted’? I don’t know. Perhaps. And obviously blind, as well, if that’s the case.
Trump, Le Pen, others who advocate a nationalist approach — secure your OWN borders, for God’s sake; look out for your own people first and foremost! yes, it actually makes sense — are rabble rousers of the worst kind for the globalists.
As Hohmann writes in his book, if these refugees needed resettling, why go to such faraway, and very different, countries? It is all part of their ‘religion’ — which is a political movement, nothing less. Their religion is one of world domination, without exception. Those who go on these ‘journeys’ to foreign lands, for the express purpose of spreading Islam .. they, too, have a special place in heaven!
gravenimage says
The idea that virtually every American politician is intent on destroying the United States is a dystopian fantasy. Many of them are clueless about Islam, no doubt–but that is a different matter.
andra says
The Bundestag (lower house) gets elected every four years, next time in coming September. The members are elected directly in their electuaral district. On top the Bundestag gets additional members who get their mandats because of the percentages their oarties are voted with.
The Bundesrat (Upper house) consists of members of the Bundesländer (federal unities) governments. These provincial governments are elected every four or five years.
I´m sorry for the rudimental English here, but the British, American and German systems are so different that it is difficult for me to translate it.I hope you get the point.
utis says
Thanks for the effort. I was wondering if the Upper House was mainly full of people who thought they were better than the people they serve.
There is no way modern German people deserve what they are getting. I wish the ordinary German people all the luck they can get in this war. And to all other Westerners and “men of good will.”
gravenimage says
Thank you, Andra–and your English is anything but rudimental. It is far better than my German.
Nigel GFF says
I’ve just noticed that Pakistani Law will now recognise validity of Hindu marriages. How gracious of them, but what the implications are, of this new law, is beyond my ken.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/pakistan-s-hindu-marriage-bill-passed-by-both-houses-of-parliament/story-HNzdSMESTZ27zJJNaF6x9N.html
gravenimage says
Hard to tell, Nigel. But the article notes that the Pakistani government is going to begin “regulating” Hindu marriages. Given their vile history of oppressing and persecuting Hindus, it is easy to see how this could be misused.
Guest says
Their twisted thinking goes like this:
We must let in a million people from an anti-semitic religion and culture, because the holocaust teaches us that one mustn’t criticize other religions and cultures.
And we must let in a million people from a homophobic religion and culture because we must protect the gay asylum-seekers escaping from a homophobic religion and culture.
Aaaaaaaaargggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve just visited a German gay site to check the comments, and there is plenty of criticism of this. Ie, why are homophobic, sometimes violent people allowed into Germany under the excuse of helping gays and lesbians?
gravenimage says
Glad to hear that some gay people in Germany have a clue–all too many in the US are still in complete denial.
andra says
Mainstream gay communities are islamophil as well. There is a gay Journalist, David Berger. He was fired by a gay magaziine because of his “islamophobia”.
gravenimage says
The situation is similar here in the States. Just look at the situation with Milo Yiannopoulos.
Rami Ouanes says
I am from Tunisia and I think you are all uninformed and need to open learn more things in your lives about countries and cultures..
Islam is in no way a peaceful religion. But neither Christianity nor Judaism in theory. I am Tunisian and not Muslim and there are a lot of us. And we live with Muslims that know we are not Muslims (Knowing that in the Islam religion, if you are born Muslim and you become a non-Muslim, you are more to be punished than other people). But we still live normally.
That’s the situation of the world, people are human but are afraid of the “beyond life”. And they try to do their maximum to ensure a “ticket to heaven” while staying human at the same time.
In addition to all this, all the people that are leaving Tunisia, they are leaving it for one reason only, which is that the economy is really bad, and they don’t have jobs while they have good skills. So they go abroad trying to find better financial situations… That’s it… They wouldn’t leave this beautiful country if it had good economy and jobs to offer. (Why the bad economy? That’s a whole other subject where Germany, France and whole Europe and USA are part of the bad situation…For example they take our oil, which we have tons of, for nearly no money!)
I invite to do a quick search on google of these words: “Night Life Tunisia” or “Tourism Tunisia” or “Culture Tunisia”. And just see what a beautiful country and people it has, it’s just poverty and bad economics that made it this way that’s it.
Conclusion, it’s always Economical/Political reasons,it was never about religion. Religion is just an excuse….
gravenimage says
Rami Ouanes wrote:
I am from Tunisia and I think you are all uninformed and need to open learn more things in your lives about countries and cultures..
Islam is in no way a peaceful religion. But neither Christianity nor Judaism in theory.
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There have been over 30,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11. How is being concerned over this “uninformed”?
Are Jews and Christians mounting axe attacks on people who have given them sanctuary? Are they responsible for an epidemic of mass rapes? Do their religions tell them to oppress and murder unbelievers until they submit? Of course not.
That “in theory” turns out to be pretty, well, theoretical.
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I am Tunisian and not Muslim and there are a lot of us. And we live with Muslims that know we are not Muslims (Knowing that in the Islam religion, if you are born Muslim and you become a non-Muslim, you are more to be punished than other people). But we still live normally.
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In other words, apostates can be killed–that is no small thing. A Muslim convert to Christianity had his throat cut there recently.
As for their being a lot of non-Muslims in Tunisia, not really. There are about 25,000 Christians and 1,500 Jews in Tunisia, and just about a 150 Baha’i, out of a population of almost 11 million–that is not a lot. It is, in fact, just .002% of the population. There were over ten times that number of Christians there just a few decades ago. And there are some Agnostics and Atheists there–but this is taboo in Tunisia, and, of course, lapsed Muslims are in the same danger that Muslim apostates to another faith are.
And there is Jihad terror in Tunisia. Here are a couple of stories:
“Tunisia: Security forces deliberately delayed arrival at site of beach jihad massacre”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/tunisia-security-forces-deliberately-delayed-arrival-at-site-of-beach-jihad-massacre
“How Tunisia became a breeding ground for jihadists”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/tunisia/11206522/How-Tunisia-became-a-breeding-ground-for-jihadists.html
The Jihadist in Nice, who slaughtered 89 people and injured 434, was from Tunisia.
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That’s the situation of the world, people are human but are afraid of the “beyond life”. And they try to do their maximum to ensure a “ticket to heaven” while staying human at the same time.
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It is only Islam that demands that its followers butcher unbelievers in order to reach paradise. No other major religion–Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism–teaches this.
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In addition to all this, all the people that are leaving Tunisia, they are leaving it for one reason only, which is that the economy is really bad, and they don’t have jobs while they have good skills. So they go abroad trying to find better financial situations… That’s it… They wouldn’t leave this beautiful country if it had good economy and jobs to offer.
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Did the Jihadist in Nice leave simply because he could find a better job in France? Or did he leave, like so many Muslims, in order to Islamize the place that took him in?
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(Why the bad economy? That’s a whole other subject where Germany, France and whole Europe and USA are part of the bad situation…For example they take our oil, which we have tons of, for nearly no money!)
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What twaddle–you may not be Muslim yourself, but you have surely absorbed the Muslim sense of grievance. Countries all over the world have lifted themselves out of third world status over the past few decades–Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Chile, and now places like Thailand, India, and even China. Nothing is stopping Muslim countries from doing the same, except for Islam itself.
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I invite to do a quick search on google of these words: “Night Life Tunisia” or “Tourism Tunisia” or “Culture Tunisia”. And just see what a beautiful country and people it has, it’s just poverty and bad economics that made it this way that’s it.
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So it is “poverty and bad economics” that caused Jihadists to slaughter 38 people at a resort in Tunisia? Or was it actually Jihad?
And doesn’t the possibility of being murdered rather put a crimp into tourism in Tunisia?
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Conclusion, it’s always Economical/Political reasons,it was never about religion. Religion is just an excuse….
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What utter claptrap. Were this true, then poor nations like Haiti, Zimbabwe, and Burma would be waging violent Jihad–but they are not.
The fact is that it is not always the poorest who are waging violent Jihad–just pious Muslims. Your attempt at whitewash does not change that.
Rami Ouanes says
About tourism, please just read this article and see how Tunisian made a human shield of themselves to protect tourists, this is the Guardian and not any media by the way:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/tunisia/11705112/Tunisia-attack-locals-formed-human-shield-to-protect-tourists.html
Well excuse me, but giving me two examples of terrorists doesn’t mean that 11 million people are terrorists.. We actually endure terrorism ourselves, and do our best to fight against it with the small means that we have. Look at how much civilians died in this attack besides the Tunisian troops that fought with their lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ben_Guerdane#Casualties
If it was a “Jihadist” country, won’t that mean that Jihadist won’t have an issue occupying it?
Also, attacks on muslims in Burma by Buddhists (which is know as one of the most peaceful religions) doesn’t mean that all Buddhists are actually violent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burma-government-attack-rohingya-muslims-minority-myanmar-islam-a7477741.html
The Canada attack on a mosque doesn’t make all Canadians terrorists (Where Tunisians have died by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/30/quebec-mosque-shooting-canada-deaths !
in the Nice attack, it was indeed from Tunisian Origins. But did you know that a huge part of the people who died in that attack are from a North African origins:
– In the 39 “French” victims, there were 12 of Algerian/Moroccan/Tunisian origins.
– There were 13 Algerian/Moroccan/Tunisian Tourists.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack#Victims
For bad economy reasons, I am just stating facts, that’s business and I only blame Tunisian politicians for the fact that they don’t know how to negotiate that it. I am not absorbing the extremists speech of “they are robbing us”. I am just saying that it’s due to bad deals done with Europe and USA that’s it.
I don’t actually care about Muslims, Christians and Jews :). But saying that by having the Tunisian nationality makes me a terrorist, that’s really stupid! (I am most certainly proud of having the Tunisian Nationality because if you knew this beautiful country and its true people you would love it without any doubt).
Please read history, and search alternative information, you will see that what you are pointing out does not in any case represent the majority! Open your head and think.
PS: I have stated examples just like you did to show that well… There’s an alternative point of view that may be correct also…
gravenimage says
Rami Ouanes wrote:
About tourism, please just read this article and see how Tunisian made a human shield of themselves to protect tourists, this is the Guardian and not any media by the way:
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That’s lovely, and I commend the Tunisians who tried to protect the tourists there–they are to be praised. But this in no way changes the fact that Jihadists slaughtered Infidels there, nor that–shockingly–authorities in Tunisia are so riddled with sympathy for Jihadists that they did not act to save Infidel victims.
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Well excuse me, but giving me two examples of terrorists doesn’t mean that 11 million people are terrorists..
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Strawman argument, since I never once said that *all* Muslims in Tunisia were Jihad terrorists. But Tunisia has been the largest supplier of Jihadists to the Islamic State. Surely *that* should concern you?
And the second story I linked to is not about a discreet Jihad terror attack, no matter how horrific, but about the prevalence of Jihad in Tunisia overall.
For instance, support for the horror of imposing brutal Shari’ah law, which systematically oppresses Infidels, in Tunisia is 56%–is *that* something you feel comfortable with?
And not all Muslims need personally wage violent Jihad–just supporting it financially or “morally” is enough–this is the doctrine of “Fard Kalifa”, where as long as some Muslims are waging terrorism it is enough. Only in times of particular crisis is it considered “Fard Ayn”, or incumbent on every able-bodied Muslim male.
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We actually endure terrorism ourselves, and do our best to fight against it with the small means that we have.
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I have *never* understood why apologists for Islam believe that Muslims *slaughtering each other* is supposed to be a mitigating factor–it is anything but. Muslims have violently targeted each other since the earliest days of Islam. There is even an orthodox tenet–Takfir–where Muslims may declare other “insufficiently Islamic” Muslims to be virtual Infidels–and thus as Halal for murder as any Kuffar.
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Look at how much civilians died in this attack besides the Tunisian troops that fought with their lives:
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How is trumpeting Mosques broadcasting a bloody attack on security supposed to convince us that Tunisian Muslims are all “moderates”? It does not.
And even Shari’ah hell holes like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have Jihad insurgencies that want to seize power–really, this is mainstream Islam.
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If it was a “Jihadist” country, won’t that mean that Jihadist won’t have an issue occupying it?
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Not in the least. Jihadists are often at each other’s throats–just look at conditions in places like Afghanistan and Somalia–why would Jihadist balk at butchering other Jihadists in internecine power struggles? They don’t.
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Also, attacks on muslims in Burma by Buddhists (which is know as one of the most peaceful religions) doesn’t mean that all Buddhists are actually violent:
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Not only is this largely a response to Muslim violence, but there is nothing in Buddhist texts enjoining violence against unbelievers. Would that this were true of Islam.
In fact, over 109 verses of the Qur’an urge Muslims to wage war on nonbelievers until the submit to Islam.
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The Canada attack on a mosque doesn’t make all Canadians terrorists (Where Tunisians have died by the way):
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The shooter was screaming “Allahu Akbar!”–when do Infidels do this?
“Canada: Gunmen screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ open fire in mosque, murdering multiple people”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/canada-gunmen-screaming-allahu-akbar-open-fire-in-mosque-murdering-multiple-people
Again, Muslim on Muslim violence is shockingly common, and is mainstream Islam.
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in the Nice attack, it was indeed from Tunisian Origins. But did you know that a huge part of the people who died in that attack are from a North African origins:
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*Again*, Muslims murdering other Muslims is not uncommon, and does not make concerned Infidels somehow feel better.
It is clear that French and tourist Infidels were the main target here.
Moreover, in Islam it is held that if a lax or impious Muslim is killed in Jihad that he deserved it as much as the Infidels; and if a rare devout Muslim is killed in the crossfire, that he goes straight to paradise. Hence, Jihadists do not stick at killing the odd Muslim in Jihad terror attacks.
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For bad economy reasons, I am just stating facts, that’s business and I only blame Tunisian politicians for the fact that they don’t know how to negotiate that it. I am not absorbing the extremists speech of “they are robbing us”. I am just saying that it’s due to bad deals done with Europe and USA that’s it.
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What claptrap. There is not a single Muslim nation that is not an economic basket case–including those with large oil wealth.
The idea that this is the fault of the bad ol’ Infidels of England and America is ridiculous.
Islam itself rejects reason and innovation, and sacralizes the exploitation of unbelievers. The “Prophet” himself condemned Muslims who engaged in productive labor rather than violent Jihad.
Here is one Hadith:
“I heard the Messenger of Allah, say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, or are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.”
There are other Hadith where he says that homes with farming implements will be cursed by Allah.
He himself made a living raiding caravans, collecting ransoms, imposing Jizya, and taking and selling slaves.
No wonder Muslim nations cannot excel in the modern world.
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I don’t actually care about Muslims, Christians and Jews :). But saying that by having the Tunisian nationality makes me a terrorist, that’s really stupid! (I am most certainly proud of having the Tunisian Nationality because if you knew this beautiful country and its true people you would love it without any doubt).
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What crap–I never said holding Tunisia citizenship makes you a terrorist–especially since you are a self-described non-Muslim.
But large numbers of Muslims anywhere support Jihad and Shari’ah, since these are core tenets of Islam itself.
And for someone who “doesn’t care about Muslims”, you have certainly expended a great deal of effort attempting to whitewash Islam.
And I suppose that only the 46% of Tunisians who fail to support brutal Shari’ah law are “real” Tunisians, somehow…sarc/off
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Please read history, and search alternative information, you will see that what you are pointing out does not in any case represent the majority! Open your head and think.
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I have a degree in history, and know all too much about the bloody history of Islam, which conquered North Africa in the 7th and early 8th centuries.
I am also well aware of the history of Christians and Jews there, who have been driven out, forcibly converted, and slaughtered outright over the centuries there. Why would this horror reassure me about Islam?
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PS: I have stated examples just like you did to show that well… There’s an alternative point of view that may be correct also…
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As I noted, more than half of Tunisians want to see the imposition of savage Shari’ah law–this is not a small anecdote–this indicates the disturbing situation there.
And, as I noted, Tunisia is still considered comparatively “moderate”. Many–most, in fact–Muslim countries are even worse, and are sending hordes of their citizens as invaders of the free West.
Your apologia does not change the mushrooming rates of rape and violent Jihad Muslims are bringing into the West.
Rami Ouanes says
Okay, two quick points:
– Should I answer two same logic with two different comments? Why? I put the same comment because actually you are all saying the same thing 😀 as simple as that.
– Second point, what are your sources besides Jihadwatch which is a subjective racist website? From where did you bring the story that 54% of Tunisians are with Shariaa? That’s really stupid!
You say I am Muslim apologists, in what phrase did I say that?! Or do you just condemn others of things to win an argument? As I said, I don’t care about Muslims, and let’s stop talking about Islam. That’s a point we all agree on. And at the same time I can bring verses from the Bible or the Torah that are also violent against “Infidels”! Here’s an article for you to read: http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran .
But that’s not my issue here, I don’t care about any of the religions, all the religions are bad and violent and all followers are stupid. That’s it.
My issue here is being the article, I am defending North Africans as a race. Being against a race is being racist. You deport them because of the act of some people?! That’s stupid!
Should we then kill All Germans because of what Hitler did? Or should we punish all Americans because of Hiroshima and Fukushima? That’s becoming exactly like Jihadists and Terrorists! That what they do! I am starting to thing you are a Jihadi or a Terrorist yourself…
My god, a degree in history and you think like this, and you think seriously France brought us moderation. Lol! I have the feeling you obtained your degree in Saudi Arabia your beloved ally 🙂 . Read about Carthagians, Amazigh and Berbers! Read and educate yourself and see the history and civilizations! These genes are still present ;)!
Whether you like it or not, your racism won’t change anything of the fact that the European economy is dependent on immigrants from these “Muslim” countries, and whether you as a “sovereign” and free citizen accept or not, your politicians will still bring people from Muslim country to take your jobs because they are cheaper and more skilled. That it, as simple as that, ECONOMY/POLITICS! Say whatever you want and think whatever you want! If we can describe what you are doing as thinking.
gravenimage says
Yet more apologia for Muslim savagery from Rami Ouanes:
Okay, two quick points:
– Should I answer two same logic with two different comments? Why? I put the same comment because actually you are all saying the same thing ? as simple as that.
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Well, we are saying we don’t believe good people should be put at risk of being murdered by ravening Jihadists–this is certainly the ‘same thing’…
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– Second point, what are your sources besides Jihadwatch which is a subjective racist website?
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Good grief, what tripe.
Firstly, there is nothing racist about Jihad Watch–unless Rami Ouanes is claiming that it is intrinsic to certain ethnicities to wage violent Jihad. Of course, this is quite false.
Islam is not a race–it is an *ideology*–and a deeply violent one.
There is nothing “racist” about opposing the horrors of Jihad terrorism, nor the brutality of Shari’ah law. Not only are there Muslim Jihadists of every race, there are also Anti-Jihadists of every race. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somalian, is anti-Jihad, as are Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan, both Arabs. There are hundreds of more examples.
And the implication that I cited nothing but Jihad Watch as sources is utterly false–I also cited The Telegraph and Pew Research, above. Moreover, Jihad Watch itself regularly cites mainstream news sources–for instance, the story above is from Reuters, a trusted news source. Is Rami Ouanes claiming that it is not?
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From where did you bring the story that 54% of Tunisians are with Shariaa? That’s really stupid!
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This is from data collected by Pew Research, a respected firm–and no the figure is not 54% of Tunisians–it is 56%. If Rami Ouanes considers this degree of support for savage Shari’ah law “stupid”, he will have to take it up with your fellow Tunisians:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/27/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
It’s under “Support for Sharia”–and, actually, the levels of support for Shari’ah law are actually much higher in much of Dar-al-Islam than in Tunisia.
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You say I am Muslim apologists, in what phrase did I say that?! Or do you just condemn others of things to win an argument?
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Rami Ouanes didn’t characterize himself as a Muslim apologist–I did. If someone spouts apologia for Muslims and Islam, they are a Muslim apologist–and this is the case whether they are Muslim themselves or else dhimmis.
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As I said, I don’t care about Muslims, and let’s stop talking about Islam. That’s a point we all agree on.
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Why would anyone here agree to stop talking about Islam? Right now, Islam is inspiring a tsunami of violence against us–we refuse to be silent about it.
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And at the same time I can bring verses from the Bible or the Torah that are also violent against “Infidels”! Here’s an article for you to read…
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I’ve read that article before. Even if it were true that the texts of the Bible and the Torah were as violent as the Qur’an–a conclusion that the author *does not* reach, by the way–it would be a moot point.
Jews and Christians are not murdering people in the name of their faith–but pious Muslims are doing this every day. There have been 30,446 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11.
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But that’s not my issue here, I don’t care about any of the religions, all the religions are bad and violent and all followers are stupid. That’s it.
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Actually, figures do not bear this out. It is not Jews and Christians–or Hindus and Buddhists–who are murdering apostates and other unbelievers–but pious Muslims are.
Rami Ouanes may not care about Islam–I have no intrinsic interest in that dreary and vicious creed, either–but pious Muslims certainly have an interest in those of us who do not submit to Islam.
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My issue here is being the article, I am defending North Africans as a race. Being against a race is being racist.
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North Africa is not a race–it is a *region*. The Middle East and North Africa is 93% Muslim–and Muslims follow a creed that enjoins them to rape, oppress, and slaughter unbelievers.
If Rami Ouanes wants to posit an exception for non-Muslims, that would be a different matter.
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You deport them because of the act of some people?! That’s stupid!
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This would be deporting not random North Africans, but failed asylum seekers. The most common reason for failing to be granted asylum is links to Jihad terror. Why should we accept people who want to subject us to a brutal and alien ideology?
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Should we then kill All Germans because of what Hitler did?
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People born in Germany are born Germans. No one is born a Nazi–this is an ideology that must be embraced. Rami Ouanes seems unclear on the concept of volition.
And no one is talking about killing North Africans–just deporting them if they have links to Jihad.
In just the same way, if Rami Ouanes asked if we should be forced to accept those belonging to the Nazi Party–people who would use violence to force us to accept Fascism–I would say absolutely not.
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Or should we punish all Americans because of Hiroshima and Fukushima?
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The Fukushima incident involved a leak from a nuclear power plant in Japan following an earthquake. America had nothing whatsoever to do with this accident. What is Rami Ouanes blathering about?
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That’s becoming exactly like Jihadists and Terrorists!
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What does a nuclear accident have to so with Jihad? Jihad causes *intentional* harm; Fukushima was an accident. One might criticize how it was handled by Japanese authorities, one might even question whether a country so prone to earthquakes should use nuclear power–but clearly there was no ill intent.
Energy policy has *nothing* in common with deliberately slaughtering people. Why would Rami Ouanes think it does?
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That what they do! I am starting to thing you are a Jihadi or a Terrorist yourself…
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Rami Ouanes is pretending to believe that opposing Jihad violence is somehow supporting it? That projection and loose grasp on reason was probably not helped by spending so long in a Muslim country, I’m afraid.
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My god, a degree in history and you think like this, and you think seriously France brought us moderation.
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Muslim nations influenced by the West tend to have been rather more moderate–this influence is now waning, but it certainly had an effect. Many such Muslim nations adopted systems of law at least somewhat influenced by civilized Western systems, and that has acted as at least a partial brake against the adoption of savage Shari’ah law. As I noted, at this point, that influence is largely a thing of the past–and the increased Islamization of these nations has followed.
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Lol! I have the feeling you obtained your degree in Saudi Arabia your beloved ally ? .
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I earned my degrees at the University of California at Berkeley. And Rami Ouanes is mistaken in believing that Saudi Arabia is in support of Western colonization. Where did he get that idea? Moreover, Saudi Arabia is no real ally of the free West. Most of the 9/11 Jihadists were Saudi, and they had official backing from Saudi authorities.
Does Rami Ouanes consider slaughtering almost 3000 Americans to characterize an “ally”? In that case, it should not surprise that he so opposes any resistance to violent Jihad. *Ugh*.
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Read about Carthagians, Amazigh and Berbers! Read and educate yourself and see the history and civilizations! These genes are still present ;)!
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I am well aware of the history of North Africa, including that of the ancient and late ancient period.
Rami Ouanes is entirely mistaken in believing that civilization is “genetic”–that, indeed, is *truly* a racist idea. Culture is taught; it is not genetic.
And even though Arab Muslims regularly oppress Berbers, the vast majority of Berbers themselves are now Muslim.
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Whether you like it or not, your racism won’t change anything of the fact that the European economy is dependent on immigrants from these “Muslim” countries, and whether you as a “sovereign” and free citizen accept or not, your politicians will still bring people from Muslim country to take your jobs because they are cheaper and more skilled. That it, as simple as that, ECONOMY/POLITICS!
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Good grief, what crap. Muslim immigration is costing Europe a fortune–in welfare benefits, in increased security, in the costs of terrorism, in increased costs for education, medicine, and prison.
Here’s the situation in Sweden:
“Fewer Than 500 of 163,000 Migrants Find Jobs In Sweden”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/01/less-500-163000-migrants-find-jobs-sweden/
The idea that Europe is “dependent” on an influx of violent, supremacist, and often illiterate barbarians is ridiculous.
And, again, not wanting to be raped or murdered is not “racist”.
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Say whatever you want and think whatever you want! If we can describe what you are doing as thinking.
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If we want to defend our lives and our culture we are ‘not thinking’–but if we supinely allow hordes of savage Muslims to flood into our civilized societies, then that is reasonable. How can Rami Ouanes imply that he is anything but a Muslim apologist in spouting this vicious nonsense?
gravenimage says
More news from Tunisia, just today:
“Tunisia: Imam leads jihad attack against police checkpoint, murdering police officer”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/tunisia-imam-leads-jihad-attack-against-police-checkpoint-murdering-police-officer
Is Rami Ouanes insisting that we welcome this savagery in Germany and the rest of the West? That we see dead police officers in Dar-al-Harb, just like in Tunisia?
And his claim that this savagery has nothing to do with Islam could not be more false–this attack was *led by an Imam*. Could you imagine a Priest or Minister doing such a thing? Of course not.
Michael says
gravenimage, you point out the decimation of the Christians over the last century. That, too, is part of the overall plan. Clearly, Muslims are the ‘people of choice’ to destroy sovereign nations.
The tactic of using moral equivalency — Christians are as bad as Muslims; they both are equally violent — sorry, doesn’t work here. As you said, what utter claptrap. One wonders about someone’s intention, or knowledge, when posting that.
Thanks for your posts, gravenimage.
Rami Ouanes says
Okay , let’s not talk about other religions, let’s keep criticizing Islam, after all I agree that the subject here being Islam and not any other religion. By talking about other religions, I was stating a simple point. Which is that if Islam is terrorism, it doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists and this is due to a simple reason, humanity in most people wins in the end. And the other fact is that if some Tunisian Muslims are psychopaths, it doesn’t mean that all Tunisians are. I am an example of that (At least I hope I am 😀 )
And also, I am Tunisian and living in Tunisia, so when I say that Tunisian “Jihadis” are a minority in Tunisia, I am not just saying that.
Also, bars are still open in Tunisia, people still have sex outside of marriage.
There is less sexism and misogyny in Tunisia than other western countries like USA. In gender equality, Tunisia is ranked 48 world wide and USA is ranked 55 :)!
Seats in parlimant are held by up to 31.3 in Tunisia versus only 25.7 in France…
Source: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII
Do you really still think this is a country where “Jihadis” are a majority?
We have been affected by terrorism more than other western countries, and we are fighting it as much (if not more) than western countries…
By the way, the war in Irak and Syria where more people have died from ISIS attacks than any other country in the world are all Arab Muslims and not western Christians or Jews!
Please use your head and search for alternative source of information! I am telling you it’s about business and political agendas that’s it. And governments (from all countries even Muslim ones) are to be held accountable for all this and for all of the misinformation.
Why aren’t we talking about the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, or is it because Saudi Arabia is actually an ally? That’s a Muslim country that we need to criticize and make laws and punishments against!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Michael.
gravenimage says
More from Rami Ouanes:
Okay , let’s not talk about other religions, let’s keep criticizing Islam, after all I agree that the subject here being Islam and not any other religion. By talking about other religions, I was stating a simple point. Which is that if Islam is terrorism, it doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists and this is due to a simple reason, humanity in most people wins in the end. And the other fact is that if some Tunisian Muslims are psychopaths, it doesn’t mean that all Tunisians are. I am an example of that (At least I hope I am ? )
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Islam is the *only* mainstream religion that enjoins violence against unbelievers.
Pious Muslims who wage violent Jihad are not “psychopaths”, but are acting on the orthodox tenets of Islam.
Violence among most faiths is relatively rare, and is not done in the name of religion–not so with Islam. The tsunami of Jihad terror attacks is proof of this in action.
And yes–sadly Rami Ouanes *is* an example–non-Muslims in Dar-al-Islam frequently feel compelled to whitewash Islam–this is a common aspect of dhimmitude.
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And also, I am Tunisian and living in Tunisia, so when I say that Tunisian “Jihadis” are a minority in Tunisia, I am not just saying that.
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Tunisia supplies more Jihadists to the Islamic State than any other nation–that is not indicative of small numbers.
And, as I noted, more than half of Tunisian Muslims support the imposition of bloody Shari’ah law, which is *anything* but “moderate”.
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Also, bars are still open in Tunisia, people still have sex outside of marriage.
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Yup:
“Sharia in action in Tunisia: Islamic supremacists cut off four fingers of alcohol salesman”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/sharia-in-action-in-tunisia-islamic-supremacists-cut-off-four-fingers-of-alcohol-salesman
What could be more indicative of “moderation” than what happened to this poor man?
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There is less sexism and misogyny in Tunisia than other western countries like USA. In gender equality, Tunisia is ranked 48 world wide and USA is ranked 55 :)!
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The very UN article linked to does not affirm this–the US is listed under “very high human development”, while Tunisia is much farther down the list.
Moreover, Rami Ouanes is the only here obsessed with Tunisia itself–the fact is that many Muslim nations cluster in the “low human development” section, which should surprise no one.
As for supposed gender equality in Tunisia itself, here is a grim example that this is anything but the case:
“Tunisia: Rapist gets off by marrying 13-year-old girl he impregnated”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/tunisia-rapist-gets-off-by-marrying-13-year-old-girl-he-impregnated
No Western nation forces rape victims to marry their rapists.
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We have been affected by terrorism more than other western countries, and we are fighting it as much (if not more) than western countries…
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And this is even more the case for stretches of Dar-al-Islam like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen. Again, why so many Muslim apologists believe that Muslim-on-Muslim violence should reassure us is beyond me.
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By the way, the war in Irak and Syria where more people have died from ISIS attacks than any other country in the world are all Arab Muslims and not western Christians or Jews!
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The idea that the only victims here have been other Muslims is a bald-faced lie, and ignores the genocide of Christians and Yezidis, as well as their use as sex slaves in the Islamic State. How repulsive.
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Please use your head and search for alternative source of information! I am telling you it’s about business and political agendas that’s it. And governments (from all countries even Muslim ones) are to be held accountable for all this and for all of the misinformation.
Why aren’t we talking about the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, or is it because Saudi Arabia is actually an ally? That’s a Muslim country that we need to criticize and make laws and punishments against!
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There are multiple stories here condemning the savagery of Saudi Arabia. Why would the meretricious Rami Ouanes have us believe this is not so?
Here is just one recent story:
“Hindu man facing beheading in Saudi Arabia for ‘blasphemous’ Facebook post”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/hindu-man-facing-beheading-in-saudi-arabia-for-blasphemous-facebook-post
There are scores more stories here.
andra says
It is easy to blame other nations for your poor economy. But, as well as Europe has done decades ago it is up to the African nations to work for a better future. The only reaction is, however, to blame others.
And, just as a question. If they go to Europe just for a better life.
– why don´t they use the front door?
– why do they kill the Europeans by the hundreds?
For me this is not “looking for a better life”, this is Invasion.
Rami Ouanes says
I am not blaming any other nation, I am just stating the facts. It’s bad economical deals that brought us to where we are that’s it. Our politicians are unfortunately stupid and don’t know how to make good deals that’s it.
To answer your questions:
– The front door is almost always locked :). With really difficult visa procedures (that were also difficult when Tunisia was a country that all the world loved, 6 years ago) and add to that some ignorance (that exists even in advanced countries like the USA for example). It’s normal that people would use the back door… (This is not an excuse, just stating reasons and analysis). For example, I have a french client that needs me to be on site for 6 months, and I am having an issue because I cannot obtain Visa :). How about that :)!
– That’s really sad and unfortunate and in no way excusable.. But what I am saying is that overall, if you count all of the Tunisian Terrorists, they will sum up to about 3 thousand? 4 thousand? That’s nothing compared to 11 million. I’m just insisting on the fact that we shouldn’t generalize, because in that case, and following your same logic, it’s safe to say that all french people are colonists that kill people and rape woman as what happened about 50 years ago. Or all German are Nazis. And all homosexuals and black people have AIDS and all Russians are communists… It’s a stupid way to analyze things….
There are 721,397 Tunisians living in France alone, and 7 million Algerians and 1,314,000 Moroccans. And a total of 20 million Muslims living in French since decades now. If it was really invasion, they would have done it since years now! Don’t judge 20 million in France based on three terrorists… Be logical please.
andra says
Well, I Analyse what I see. And I see that there are too many Jihadis in Europe. And another 80% of Muslims in Europe want the Sharia to be installed. And I don´t want that in MY HOMELAND.
And, as it is not possible to see behind a person´s foreead, you have to generalize in order to protect Europeans. And as you say yourself Tunesia – and I guess all Maghreb – is a beautiful country. And so it is up to the People there you build economical standards in THEIR HOMELANDS they are pleased with.
There is no right for anybody to intrude another country just because they do not stand up to the rules for immigration. Entering a country illegaly is invading.
ShandyLover says
Rami Ouanes you say don’t judge all Muslims by the actions of the minority of jihadi terrorists but in the (paraphrased) words of Bridgitte Gabriel, it is the jihadis that set the agenda for islam worldwide. Just as the Nazis were a minority in Germany and the Bolsheviks were in Russia. What the ‘peaceful’ or ‘moderate’ majority thought counted for naught.
Where are the millions of so called ‘moderate’ muslims coming forward to say ‘not in my name’ after each new islamist bombing, truck attack, beheading, gang raping etc. Given the thousands of attacks the rest of us have to endure, so called ‘moderate’ muslims would have to live on the streets if they were to show any disapproval. Goodness knows when all that nonsense about the cartoons of mohammed happened there were plenty of muslims on the streets then.
But they don’t disapprove, ‘moderate’ muslims keep quiet because they secretly agree. As has been stated elsewhere, a jihadi wants to cut off the kuffir’s head. A so called ‘moderate’ muslim wants the jihadi to cut off the kuffir’s head. That is the only difference.
gravenimage says
More Muslim apologia from Rami Ouanes:
I am not blaming any other nation, I am just stating the facts. It’s bad economical deals that brought us to where we are that’s it. Our politicians are unfortunately stupid and don’t know how to make good deals that’s it.
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This is such twaddle. Why is it that *all* Muslim countries have such poor economies–especially those lacking unearned oil wealth? The idea that this is all the result of “bad deals” with filthy Infidels is ridiculous.
But this is very much part of the narrative of Muslim victimhood.
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To answer your questions:
– The front door is almost always locked :). With really difficult visa procedures (that were also difficult when Tunisia was a country that all the world loved, 6 years ago) and add to that some ignorance (that exists even in advanced countries like the USA for example). It’s normal that people would use the back door… (This is not an excuse, just stating reasons and analysis). For example, I have a french client that needs me to be on site for 6 months, and I am having an issue because I cannot obtain Visa :). How about that :)!
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The assertion that “all the world” loved Tunisia before the “Arab Spring” is pretty questionable.
And that “ignorance” is the idea that Islam is dangerous–which is proven everyday with the barest glance at world news.
There is no reason we should allow untrammeled immigration from places full of Muslims who want to see us forced to submit to Islam.
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– That’s really sad and unfortunate and in no way excusable.. But what I am saying is that overall, if you count all of the Tunisian Terrorists, they will sum up to about 3 thousand? 4 thousand? That’s nothing compared to 11 million.
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In other words, we should be grateful that there are some Muslims who *aren’t* murdering us. I’m afraid given the mushrooming increase in violent Jihad following the flood of Muslims into the West that this *does not* reassure.
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I’m just insisting on the fact that we shouldn’t generalize, because in that case, and following your same logic, it’s safe to say that all french people are colonists that kill people and rape woman as what happened about 50 years ago. Or all German are Nazis. And all homosexuals and black people have AIDS and all Russians are communists… It’s a stupid way to analyze things….
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What rot. Tunisia would not be as comparatively “moderate” as it is were it not for the residual influence of France. And if Mohammedans really believed this about the French why would they be so eager to flock there? No one is forcing Muslims to inundate the West.
And, as noted, pious Muslims act on the texts and tenets of Islam in waging violent Jihad.
It was the same with Fascism–violence was higher among Nazi Party members than among ordinary Germans, because Nazism was a violent creed. It is the same with Islam, and no use pretending this is not so.
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There are 721,397 Tunisians living in France alone, and 7 million Algerians and 1,314,000 Moroccans. And a total of 20 million Muslims living in French since decades now. If it was really invasion, they would have done it since years now! Don’t judge 20 million in France based on three terrorists… Be logical please.
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“Three terrorists”–what absolute crap. Besides the attack in Nice, there were the horrific Paris attacks, machete attacks, mass car burnings, and the beheading of an elderly Catholic priest, as well as scores of Jihad attacks that have been foiled.
France is now over 8% Muslim, and the Jihad violence there has skyrocketed in recent years. Jihad terror did not even exist in the civilized nation thirty years ago.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Andra and ShandyLover.
vladkoval says
Rami Ouanes, may I give you an advice?
You came to the wrong site to tell about “Islam is bad, but other religions are bad too”
You say it’s all about politics and economics.
No. It’s all about Islam.
Where did Tunisian Jihadis come from? From space?
No. Psychology of Jihadis in Tunis is understandable. Tunis is the only one muslim country which has legal prostitution (since France made so)
Thus, a moderate Tunisian muslim one day thinks: “That’s terrible! That’s what the Kaffirs from France brought to us! And their Ben Ali! (and so on and so on)
And lets clean the country from Kaffirs and Munafiqquna!”
You see? It’s easy. And it’s about Islam, not about economics.
Rami Ouanes says
Okay vladkoval, let’s not talk about other religions, let’s keep criticizing Islam, after all I agree that the subject here being Islam and not any other religion. By talking about other religions, I was stating a simple point. Which is that if Islam is terrorism, it doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists and this is due to a simple reason, humanity in most people wins in the end. And the other fact is that if some Tunisian Muslims are psychopaths, it doesn’t mean that all Tunisians are. I am an example of that (At least I hope I am 😀 )
And also, I am Tunisian and living in Tunisia, so when I say that Tunisian “Jihadis” are a minority in Tunisia, I am not just saying that.
Also, bars are still open in Tunisia, people still have sex outside of marriage.
There is less sexism and misogyny in Tunisia than other western countries like USA. In gender equality, Tunisia is ranked 48 world wide and USA is ranked 55 :)!
Seats in parlimant are held by up to 31.3 in Tunisia versus only 25.7 in France…
Source: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII
Do you really still think this is a country where “Jihadis” are a majority?
We have been affected by terrorism more than other western countries, and we are fighting it as much (if not more) than western countries…
By the way, the war in Irak and Syria where more people have died from ISIS attacks than any other country in the world are all Arab Muslims and not western Christians or Jews!
Please use your head and search for alternative source of information! I am telling you it’s about business and political agendas that’s it. And governments (from all countries even Muslim ones) are to be held accountable for all this and for all of the misinformation.
Why aren’t we talking about the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, or is it because Saudi Arabia is actually an ally? That’s a Muslim country that we need to criticize and make laws and punishments against!
vladkoval says
Rami Ouanes, my point was not that “majority of muslims are violent jihadis”. Wafa Sultan once said “Some Christians are worse than Jesus while some Muslims are better than Muhammed”. I love that saying.
But, however, my point was that a Jihadi is nothing but a moderate muslim outraged by the things that go against the rules of Islam (and I would not call him a psycho, since a psycho is he who acts against rules, but a Jihadi acts BY rules, by his Quran). And thus he turns from “better than Muhammed” to “equal to Muhmmed”, and starts viewing his moderate fellow-muslims (who tolerate that every-day breaking of the rules) as Munafiquna, which is even worse than Kaffiruna.
Therefore, there is no point to calculate the ratio of moderate muslims to Jihadis, because as long as the rules (Quran) are incompatible with the reality (“night life” etc) there will be muslims who challenge the current “sinful situation”. Look at Syria – 5 years of war and the Jihadis get killed in thousands monthly but fresh Jihadis are coming and coming, and they are coming from among moderate muslims, not from the Moon. You know that.
As for Saudia. Yes. Whatever other people say here, Saudia is ally. Can’t be helped, but it is the damned ally. As one wise man said recently – if you wear taxido then you are expected to do what men in taxido do, and if you wear turban – then you can’t be expected to do what men in taxido do. Saudis wear turban. Ok. At least, they play the rules, and that’s why they are allies. After all, no one forced Ataturk to abolish Sharia, then why Saudis should be forced to do that?
You can call it “double standards”, but that’s the reality.
And that’s my personal opinion.
gravenimage says
Now Rami Ouanes is just spamming the same comment over again.
Voytek Gagalka says
Who sit in that “upper house”? Lords of Germany? Probably as relevant as the House of Lords.
gravenimage says
Voytek, I’m afraid they are anything but irrelevant if they are blocking efforts to deport violent Muslims. Instead, they are dangerous to the German people.
gravenimage says
RCH, did you intend to post your comment on this story, or else on one of these threads:
“Reza Aslan’s agenda: showing Hinduism and Christianity as violent, Islam as peaceful”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/reza-aslans-agenda-showing-hinduism-and-christianity-as-violent-islam-as-peaceful
“Reza Aslan eats human brains, but it’s unlikely to help”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/reza-aslan-eats-human-brains-but-its-unlikely-to-help
In any case, I very much agree with you that the Aghoris, as off-putting as their practices are, are non-violent and are not hurting anyone–would that we could say that about Muslims.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… As one of the favorite slogans for the German greenies is “Germany, you piece of sh…” or “Germany, conk out!” they prefer to prevent useful laws and do everything to destroy Germany and those who have been living here for longer…”
A worrying expression of contempt for their own country. They probably have the same sort of disdain for other democratic nation states as well. Their predecessors in this regard are of course the German Marxist, Anarchists and Fascists/National Socialists. I hope the German People have, in the main, learned from their past mistakes of being captivated by ‘dream politics’ and ‘millennarian movements’ by ‘mythical folk revivals’ and other dead end social experiments.
Just a name says
The Muslim hijrah invasion by emigration to conquer is going as well or better than planned in the ummah.
The Western psychologically brainwashed people who believe that they are helping the invasion for the greater good are determined to end Western civilization as it exists.
This invasion has been planned for a long time. It succeeded in Albania, Kosovo and Lebanon. Previous Muslim victories were purely military victories which all but the enemy within and stalwart pacifist would recognize had to be met with equal or greater force to drive the invading army out.
Charles Martel recognized the brutal force that had conquered the Arabiian Peninsula, then Noth Africa and Syria and much of the Middle East and Spain and was in france within 100 years of breaking out of the Arabian Peninsula.
PM Erdogan says that ‘Islam is Islam. It is no different.’ Erdogan is right. It invades to conquer.
So it is now. And they believe that conquering you is showing you compassion by enabling you to experience Allah.
Live or die Europe. The world may depend upon how Europe acts.
Just a name says
Appealing to better nature by muslims is just a form of taquiyya.
muslims are commanded to lie to extend Islam. If someone is a Muslim, then they cannot be trusted. As the prophet did, is the highest acts to do. The prophet lied for Islam. the prophet made treaties to benefit Islam, then broke them for Islam. he slaughtered 2 of the tribes he had a treaty with in what is now Medina, the beginning of Islam. Individually a “muslim’ may have good characteristics. As the ummah they only desire to conquer the world. History shows what Islam is. Europeans are denying history.
France is two nations now. It is France, and it is the invaded zones controlled by Islam. Islam will lie to defeat France. It will kill. It will do anything to defeat France. It does entail immediate total defeat always. It can entail submission under Sharia Law.
Islam is Islam.