I have previously noted that Doug Saunders has all the journalistic integrity of Josef Goebbels, and now on Twitter he has illustrated how avid Leftist “journalists” are to exonerate Islam of all responsibility for the crimes committed in its name and in accord with its teachings, and to demonize Christianity at all costs.
Saunders’ argument here is not that London jihad murderer Khalid Masood wasn’t Muslim when he carried out the attack. In the full Twitter exchange, he plays Clintonesque games in explaining why he said that Masood “was not a Muslim,” placing the emphasis on the “was.” He points out that Masood was a convert to Islam, as were other jihadis in Britain, and that they all had Christian families and upbringings. On that basis, he suggests that a Christian upbringing could be an indicator of “extremism.” If that were so, of course, we would see actual Christians committing acts of terrorism, not just Christians who converted to Islam. But for Saunders and other hard-Leftists, Islam is good and Christianity is bad, so denying the obvious and stretching for absurdity is worth the effort in service of whitewashing Islam and denigrating Christianity.
The worst thing about the egregious Saunders is that he is not unusual. He is a sadly typical Leftist ideologue posing as a journalist. There are dozens of others like him.
(Thanks to Paul.)


utis says
The Religion of Psychos attracts psychos from all religions.
p says
They are Christians, but first convert to islam before the killings start
john spielman says
yes! criminals and those with criminal impulses are drawn to islam because murder rape theft and lying are sanctified acts ( made holy) if done against nonmuslims
A Harris USA says
John, the so called journalist scum who put this out have one agenda, that has to be a globalist agenda, that includes, Islam.. Putting out crap like this guy was a Christian, doing this I assume is to forward this agenda. If people are stupid enough in times past to believe the propaganda of Nazi, and Commie filth, the chances are they will believe this same crap again. My question to the UK is where are the soccer thugs ? They need to re-surface, and the do a job on the Muslim thugs, and include the globalist filth as well. This way when they say the Christians did it, they can be right!!!
BTW, be aware that the Democratic scum in the USA, are putting voter registration forms in “welcome packets” for the hordes still pouring in here.. Meaning, these will not join the illegals who now vote illegally in this country… Just imagine, who they will vote for. We have a long hard fight, and better prepare for it..
A Harris USA says
will join the illegals voting………….
Jack Holansky says
It even attracts crack pot so called “journalists” who strain dihharea to defend them like Bagdad Bob, Tokyo Rose, Goebbles The Royals with Charles is part of this and I believe Queen E2 was about to announce something important
Pastor C says
Western Judeo-Christian civilization, as we once knew her, is falling. We, in the West, now live in a post-Christian era and are suffering the ill-effects of the same. Hence, the rise and expansion of Islam.
What many, if not most, do not understand is this.
The Bible clearly prophesies what we are witnessing right now, in these last days, as evidenced by not only the insanity that is clearly described in this particular article, but in many others we read, daily, on this site and others as well.
Why do we defend the very people who seek our subjugation?
Why are repeated excuses made for who they really are; the true motivations behind their slaughter; the true origins of their evil ideology?
And why do we so blindly and mindlessly attempt to conceal their true identities (as Muslims) and their intentions (as terrorists), as well as the ideological rationale behind their attacks-even when they tell us themselves?
Two scriptures, immediately, come to mind.
Romans1:18-32 speaks to the fact that people, nations and civilizations who, in a prolonged and unrepentant manner, reject the truth of God (through Scripture) will be ‘given over’ to a ‘depraved’ or ‘reprobate’ mind.
That is a mind that is incapable of thinking rationally or logically. They look at evil and call it good. They look, squarely, at the truth and call it a lie. This is the present predicament of Western civilization, under the judgment of God. Read the passage.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, also, confirms what I just declared.
In the last days (where we are now) the entire world will be under the demonic sway and influence of the evil and wicked ‘spirit’ of anti-Christ which will, ultimately, lead to the actual emergence, appearance and exaltation of a person known as the Antichrist.
Reject God, and His Christ, and you are taken captive by the Antichrist.
Listening to people (like these in the article and elsewhere) who continually deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and accept the lies of Islam, reminds me of the truth of Scripture that is revealed in the passage above which says;
“…They perish (meaning all who reject the truth of God, through the Lord Jesus Christ) because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”
So, whenever and wherever the lies of Islam are readily accepted, and the truth of God’s gospel, through Christ, is rejected; you now know the reason why.
The only solution to this pervasive, spiritual insanity and delusion/deception is repentance; turning our hearts and lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.
Otherwise, the soul that stubbornly refuses to do so will be ripe and ready for the revelation (appearing) of the Antichrist and, eventually, the Lake of fire.
Clinton Lewis says
Well put, it is indeed a Divine judgment upon those who refuse to love the truth, isn’t it? As Jesus said “offenses must come, but woe to the man by whom the offense comes”. I pray the Lord will keep His believing children centered in His word, this is a very vexing time to be a Christian, it hurts me to see our lovely faith and our compassionate Savior mocked and denigrated daily by almost everyone, If they only knew, the love God had for them in sending Jesus to Earth to fulfill the law, suffer die on their behalf, I don’t think they’d say the things they do, they say these things because they have not known either the Father or the Son. God please have mercy on those lost deceived wretches, Your enemies.
Pastor C says
Western Judeo-Christian civilization, as we once knew her, is falling quickly before our very eyes.
We now live in a post-Christian era and are suffering the ill-effects of the same. Hence, the rise and expansion of Islam.
What many, if not most, do not understand is this.
The Bible clearly prophesies what we are witnessing right now, in these last days, as evidenced by not only the insanity that is clearly described in this particular article, but in many others we read, daily, on this site and others as well.
Why do we defend the very people who seek our subjugation?
Why are repeated excuses made for who they really are; the true motivations behind their slaughter; the true origins of their evil ideology?
And why do we so blindly and mindlessly attempt to conceal their true identities (as Muslims) and their intentions (as terrorists), as well as the ideological rationale behind their attacks-even when they tell us themselves?
Two scriptures, immediately, come to mind.
Romans1:18-32 speaks to the fact that people, nations and civilizations who, in a prolonged and unrepentant manner, reject the truth of God (through Scripture) will be ‘given over’ to a ‘depraved’ or ‘reprobate’ mind.
That is a mind that is incapable of thinking rationally or logically. They look at evil and call it good. They look, squarely, at the truth and call it a lie. This is the present predicament of Western civilization, under the judgment of God. Read the passage.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, also, confirms what I just declared.
In the last days (where we are now) the entire world will be seduced and under the demonic sway of the evil ‘spirit’ of anti-Christ which will, ultimately, lead to the actual emergence, appearance and exaltation of a person known as the Antichrist.
So, there are only two types of people in the world. Those who reject God/Christ (and will succumb to the Antichrist, when he is revealed) and those who do not.
Listening to people (like these in the article and elsewhere) who continually deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and accept the lies of Islam, reminds me of the truth of Scripture I referred to (in the passage above) which says;
“…They perish (meaning all who reject the truth of God, through the Lord Jesus Christ) because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”
So, whenever and wherever the lies of Islam are readily accepted, and the truth of God’s gospel, through Christ, is rejected; you now know the reason why.
The only solution to this pervasive, spiritual insanity and deception we are witnessing now is repentance; turning our hearts and lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.
Otherwise, the soul that stubbornly refuses to do so will be ripe and ready for the revelation (appearing) of the Antichrist and, eventually, the Lake of fire.
Elaine McMurren says
Well said. Your POV is greatly appreciated and spot on. ⚜ Your’s in Christ, Mrs M
CHARLES MARTEL says
islam is not a religion! its a cult of ignorance and evil!
Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqabah contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”
Shane says
Islam attracts not just psychos, but rapists, pedophiles, murderers, and polygamists. The loser who shot up the movie theater in Colorado converted to Islam while in prison!
Jim Spencer says
To assert that someone comes from a “Christian” background in the UK requires a bit more information for a full picture. A vast number of people are “christened” as infants and beyond that grow to adulthood with little if any encouragement toward church attendance, prayer at home, doctrinal input, and without exemplary religious Christian role models. Someone like that is just as void of spirituality as someone growing up in an atheist family. To say that a person like that switched from Christian to Muslim is not an honest conclusion, because in no real sense was he never a practicing Christian. I’d be interested to know just how involved with the Christian faith Khalid Masood was in his “Christian” days.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Objective reality went out the window some years ago. Only historians will be able to say about when, if they still exist. This columnist’s denial of reality reminds me of all the Democrats I’ve seen on TV over the last week saying that Obamacare is fine and just needs some tweaking, while events and actuarial science says that it’s in a death spiral. Mass murdering Moslems a problem? Deny it. Failing healthcare a problem? Deny it. It’s a surgical technique to approach avoidance.
Kepha says
As someone in his sixties, my guess is that reality went out the window around 1968. BTW, I try to be a history teacher when I can squirm around the curriculum and textbook I’ve been given to use (which make me feel as if I’m a professional swindler of the young),
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
1968 might be the best date. Remember the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley? They had unfettered speech, but needed something to protest against. Now it’s the most unfriendly place to free speech in the country. A lie begat a regressive victory over freedom… by people calling themselves progressives.
mortimer says
Agree with Kepha. Hideous situation where the truth is ‘subversive’ and solid empirical fact is called ‘racist’.
This is cultural Marxism.
underbed cat says
What is BTW? I forgot.
Kepha says
BTW=By the way.
no_one says
Total BS that doesn’t deserve attention.
Santa Voorhees says
I was thinking exactly the same thing while I was reading it.
Santa Voorhees says
I was thinking exactly the same thing while I was reading it.
Why are we even waste our time commenting on it? Why Robert Spencer even bothered to post it?
no_one says
I don’t know who this guys is and I don’t follow his twitter. He has no say on what I think.
David A says
Because it is a microcosm of the left’s politically correct insane insanity.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, the Globe and Mail is a major British newspaper–it is widely read and influential. Pretending that Saunders did not say what he did is not the way to handle this.
Frank says
Except that the Globe & Mail is a Canadian paper, hq’d in Toronto, which likes to think of itself as ‘Canada’s national newspaper’. It, like Saunders, is pathetic … Canada’s New York Times.
zulu says
the Globe and Mail is a Canadian paper.
gravenimage says
Oops–I *did* know that, Frank and zulu–thanks to you both for putting me straight. Now I look like another clueless Yank…
Well, except for my gaffe, I still hope my main point is clear–that unfortunately we have to pay attention when such misleading rot is thrown around by influential news sources.
StacyGirl says
“Another clueless yank” good heavens.
gravenimage says
StacyGirl, I meant the caricature of Americans is that we are clueless about anything beyond our borders. It was not my intent with my mistake to strengthen that view. I assure you I do not actually consider myself or my fellow Americans to be clueless.
Clinton Lewis says
It tripped me up too, because the headline I read at the Religion of Peace website said London columnist: “attacker not Muslim”
Ted says
We have another gutless rag called the Toronto Star. I was an 18 year subscriber and never involved myself seriously with politics until I watched D.Trump on the T.V. I then looked at Trudeau in a way that I didn’t when I voted for him. When the Star printed a satirical cartoon of Trump, dressed as a clown and emphasized a small hand, that instant I leapt to my phone and called the Star and cancelled my subscription. If they would give Muhamad the same type of coverage great, but they will never do that. I don’t want him pictured screwing his 9 year old bride (all their subscribers could be charged with possessing child porn) just maybe some simple beheadings or a stoning (Muhamad with his calipers ensuring the stones aren’t too big), or Muhamad giving out directions of the best canals to drown dissenting family members. His compass in hand. Become Charlie Hebron you spineless scumbags.
Wellington says
Proving once again that it is a close call whether Islam is worse for the mind or Leftism.
Very close call. Reasonable minds (naturally this would exclude all Muslims and Leftists) can differ, preferably while drinking one or more pitchers of beer.
The Confessions says
I’ll gladly join you for a few beers Wellington.
=================================
https://theconfessionsweb.wordpress.com
Wellington says
Thanks for the link to that (your?) site, Confessions.
The Confessions says
Welcome Wellington. Yes, that’s my blog, newly created. A side-project to have some fun with and contribute to during these times. Would welcome any feedback you might have.
gravenimage says
I would buy you both a beer any time.
The Confessions says
Ditto gravenimage!!
gravenimage says
🙂
Wellington says
Thanks, my friend.
David A says
Bingo.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Were any of the Muslims behind the attacks on the London busses and Underground “from Christian families”? Were the two Muslims who slauightered the serviceman Rigby “from Christian backgrounds”? In any case, isn’t the question to ask ithis: why so many of those who do convert to Islam in the West have criminal and violent backgrounds. What is it that they find so appealing about Islam? Why does it turn out to be such a good fit?
Joe says
Yes. It may even be true that converts are more kethal than born Muslims, but that says nothing good about Islam, because those who CHOOSE to become Muslim may well skew towards deranged and criminal.
roger eric woodhouse says
The halfwits and seriously mentally changed who are coerced into that violent religion while in prison are just being used as cannon fodder by the real cultural Islamists.They, like the suicide bombers in Syria and other places are just doing the dirty work before the serious stuff gets underway. Perhps they are being used to test our resolve
Shmooviyet says
Great questions for these islamopologists, who’ll have NO interest nor need to answer; it would be beneath them to respond to such intolerant points.
So the media now has its newest bumper-sticker- phrased cover for islamic terror and violent converts:
“Not Muslim By Background”.
The Confessions says
Doug Saunders is emblematic and symptomatic of a sickness that avails much of the Western media and political establishment. The sad truth is that there is a generation today who have been weaned on ideas of political correctness, post-modernism, cultural relativism and post-colonial self-flagellating guilt FOR DECADES. Hence, it’s unsurprising whenever these idiots open their mouth.
Saunders is one such tool – he believes in whipping Christianity and avoiding any criticism of Islam, which he views as an exoticised “religion” whose followers must be inherently better than “white” Westerners because they are Oriental and thus free from racism. He thinks only white Westerners can be racist because Edward Said said so in ‘Orientalism’.
Indeed, I’m sure Dougie has read the Koran, Hadith and Sirat of Mohammed so he knows what he’s talking about.
=================================
https://theconfessionsweb.wordpress.com
roger eric woodhouse says
Great comment. If only we could get that through to the ruling elite . Even asomeone with thiose views in parliament might just help but where could we find someone?Nigel Farage comes to mind but the lefties and their media have all but blanked him out
The Confessions says
Thanks roger eric woodhouse. True, hence why the fight must go on.
Stephanie says
Converts are the most pious, they take allah’s orders https://quran.com/2/216 4/76 8/39 for granted
… see German convert from Christianity Pierre Vogel http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-64xS9XXN1zw/U_xjIaSYEcI/AAAAAAAAdZs/-DcBxOn-X14/s1600/is.jpg
berserker says
Now I get it. Christians are converting to Mohammedanism and then committing terror acts to make the poor Brown Mohammedans look bad. Thank you. I will now go and swallow my nothing-to-do-with-Islam pill.
SK says
What’s wrong with this guy? There are several South Asian Muslims who became extremists. Here’s an example: Anjem Choudhary. Others: Tanveer Ahmed, Mohammed Rehman and Sana Ahmed Khan, Muhaydin Mire, Bilal Abdullah and Kafeel Ahmed.
Islamic converts are not extremist because of Christianity in their background.
I imagine that Saunders is seeing people like Izzadeen and the guys who killed Rigby and Kabele, and had an epiphany.
AleX says
New level of absurdity attained by Globe and Mail and its pack of Sunday ‘journalists’ like dog Doug Saunders.
So a mohomedan killer is somehow a monster because he had a Christian upbringing. The call of Jesus from afar made him go berzerk after conversion.
‘Kill the infidels, strike their necks, ambush them in any way’ – was it Luke or John? Oh, wait!
Halal Bacon says
Thanks Doug, now I see what people do with a bachelor degree in social sciences, in other news, there is a new phobia in town, kafirophobia; dislike of or prejudice against Kafirs(unbelievers) or westerners, especially as a political force.
Jaladhi says
Yeah right, all those 19 jihadi terrorists of 9/11 came from Christian families of Saudi Arabia! How ludicrous these Western liberal journalist can get. Have they all converted to Islam – seems so!
common sense says
The Criminally insane have issues with being good Christians but are sane enough to find their just reward in Islam.
mortimer says
Doug Saunders delusional OVER-REACHING comments are further evidence that the West is laboring under a MASS ISLAMIC STOCKHOLM SYNDROME or ‘CAPTURE BONDING’.
Leftists especially wish to destroy Western civilization and have ‘HIRED’ Muslims to do the dirty job of destabilizing it so the Leftists can pick up the shattered pieces… or so they think. They do not even imagine the viciousness of Islam towards its victims. Much more vicious than psychopathy of Stalin or Mao Tze Tung.
Jihad is ethnic cleansing and genocide with the full RELIGIOUS SANCTION of Mohammed and Allah.
Doug Saunders has not read ISLAM’S PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS nor the canonical commentaries nor Sharia law manuals nor Islamic history, and yet, preposterously, he presents himself pompously as a spontaneous (unresearched) ‘EXPERT’ on Islam.
Where do these UNRESEARCHED journalists get off pontificating? Moreover, why don’t their editors fire them?
somehistory says
Christ’s teachings put a hold on people, so that each one can exercise self-control, and so each may consider the other person and how one wishes to be treated by that other person. Jesus said that being a Christian would be difficult. We are imperfect creatures and tend toward selfishness, even the best of people are thus.
Many who come from a background of going to church and reading/hearing the Bible chaff under the yoke of Christian principles and God’s Laws of “do this” and “don’t do that” and they continually look for a way to escape the Laws of Love and Kindness and Giving and Self-control. They don’t consider eternal life worth it.
And they turn, some of them, to islam because it offers the freedom …through slavery to satan the devil…to do anything they choose to do without having to consider how another person may feel about it or how much hurt and damage they may be causing.
These ones were never really “Christian”…they were only being made to belong to the family, or go to church or read/hear the Bible. It meant only something to chaff the neck and keep them in line. Never really Christian is not Christian at all.
These creatures that turn to satan by means of islam were headed to satan anyway. islam just gives them the *power* trip…the *ego* trip that psychopaths crave and allows them to shed blood, rape and steal without feeling guilty or being told they are evil.
gravenimage says
True–but most Christians and other Infidels have no interest in murdering people.
It is not just Christianity helps people exercise self-control, it is that Islam specifically enjoins its followers to savage unbelievers.
somehistory says
What you say is true. However, my point was that when these fools claim that Christians are to blame for the murders, to blame for the murderers among the public, they are failing to see that those who supposedly were raised as Christian, didn’t want to be and would rather be free to murder, rob and rape.
True Christians love Christ and doing what is right and good. It is not always easy, but when carried out in life, it makes for true happiness.
On the other hand, those who would rather murder their way through life, find their big excuse for it in islam and even tell themselves they are pleasing to God, although I believe they know better.
It would take a book…and we have one…to fully explain Christianity. It also explains where evil originates and who satan really is.
gravenimage says
Very true, somehistory.
common sense says
I spent a life time in church as a cradle Catholic and at times still have difficulty dealing with the world. Patience is a virtue. I’m very glad that I was raised this way though to many “do unto others” might seem to come naturally to all of us church really does help people.
Somehistory, Your second paragraph is descriptive of the liberal know it alls I know that turned out to be mean spitited, selfish rejectionists, there really is a difference if you stay with it. An afterlife? That’s all up to the man upstairs.
Lamentations over, happy Friday!
somehistory says
Thank you common. Jesus promised eternal life to those who keep faith in Him. It will come to those as He promised. At the right time for it.
Those who reject Him, are not rightly disposed for everlasting life, according to Paul.
Kepha says
Very good points, Some History. This is why I’m not surprised that these converts to Islam have come from Christian backgrounds. A religion which enjoins peace, goodwill, love, forbearance and all those things doesn’t really sit well with most people. Even without the Bible, a former State Department colleague once observed of the winding down of a long-lasting civil war that “we are not a pacific species.” Islam appeals to the un-pacific, lustful, and unjust ways of the sinful human heart.
somehistory says
Thank you, Kepha. For those of us who do love what is right and good, it is difficult to understand why others spurn it.
Emilie Green says
“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.’”
St. Anthony the Great,
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/anthonyTCK.jpg
gravenimage says
Globe & Mail columnist: London jihadi “not Muslim,” “extremists” often come from “Christian families”
………………..
What a load of crap. Adrian Elms with his Christian upbringing never committed terrorism–after he had converted to Islam and taken the name Khalid Masood he sure did, though.
And he did not murder in the name of Christianity, but in the name of Islam.
What a meretricious tool Doug Saunders is.
This, from his Twitter feed:
“The high % of non-Muslims joining Islamic-extremist groups is a very key phenomenon in post-2012 extremism. Often 30 to 40 percent”
https://twitter.com/DougSaunders?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Of course, this is bullsh*t. Only Muslims and *converts to Islam* are joining Jihad terror groups.
Meanwhile, he is babbling about Nigel Farage supposedly looking older than his years, and sneering at an ignorant tourist who (supposedly) thought the Eiffel Tower was in London. You know–the important stuff…sarc/off
DFD says
Hi Graven, Hi Mac-101,
Ladies first, so I commence with addressing the esteemed and valued Graven:
Hi Graven, more on the Towers (WTC), complex issues. Requires lots of detailing to understand. Initial post in reference thereto under/at: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/vicar-of-baghdad-says-christianity-in-iraq-is-finished/comment-page-1#comment-1638889 that is following up on our previous discussion.
Referring to your reference to ‘popular mechanics’, I found that to be somewhere between simplistic, and unfortunately, misleading. Though I hope that was not deliberate on their behalf. I will write, or rather do write on a detailed explanation and will post this tomorrow – hopefully. If not, I will let you know when it’s ready. May take two days instead of one. As you know, my doggy is very old and ill, requires lots of attention and TLC. Also, thanks for pointing out about that La Rouche fellow, I was unaware. Well, there’s always something to learn.
Mac-101,
Hi, you will find this interesting, it may also explain a few things which you have done when performing demolition work with the seals. Particularly in view of the Towers (WTC). I will also elaborate and explain the term ‘implosion’ within the context of demolition work. And will provide examples, which you will understand immediately, given your experience in such matters.
Both of you: If you go the the link above, I have placed therein a **video link to Trump’s comments**, he was specifically interviewed at the time. And listen to what he actually said, his thoughts and impressions. The video will also prepare for what I have to say about this, construction type etc.
gravenimage says
Thanks, DFD. I replied on that thread.
Gen Jones says
“What a meretricious tool Doug Saunders is.”
Graven, I love your precision and wit when you enviserate fools. Meretricious. What a great word!! I believed I knew the meaning – apparently attractive but having in reality no value or integrity – but I did look it up to be sure and how appropriate the archaic definition is for Doug Sanders too – “relating to or characteristic of a prostitute.” Because he is certainly beyond promoting Islam for some sincerely held belief in it, he’s got to be on the take because he’s just beating that drum in article after article as well as, if I’m not mistaken, many comment sections like Huffington Post (Puff Ho!).
gravenimage says
Thank you, Gen!
John W. says
I am amazed at the control Islam has over people who don’t even follow it or know anything about it. They will do and say anything to be in its good graces.
Angemon says
“Not a muslim” because he was born Adrian Elms? What, he didn’t convert to islam or something? Is one only considered a muslim if they’re “born” into it? “Extremists are coming from Christian families”? Funny how they’re not “extremists” until after they convert to islam – as if becoming a muslim had something to do with being “extremist”.
Kepha says
I’ve know very good Christian people who were brought up as Buddhists, Daoists, animists, and even Muslims. Why can’t Adrian Elms prove adept at adopting Muslim ways after his conversion to Islam? Good point, Angemon.
Kepha says
Absolutely, Angemon. The minister of the Gospel who baptized my older son was brought up in a mix of Buddhism, Daoism, ancestor worship, and worship of earth spirits, and didn’t become a Christian until his young manhood (and he was well into middle age when I came to know him). I do not doubt his Christianity in the slightest.
livingengine says
The cause of jihad attacks is not Christians, or the ghost of Anwar Awlaki. or even the internet; it is other Muslims.
The NYPD’s 2007 report “Radicalization in the West”, makes it clear that almost all, that is 99%, of jihad attackers go through a radicalization process that includes face to face contact with another person.
The NYPD’s report characterizes this person as a “spiritual sanctioner”, or “operational leader”.
And, while the influence of mosques is important, associated social groups may play an even greater role in the process of radicalization.
“These incubators serve as radicalizing agents for those who have chosen to pursue radicalization. They become their pit stops, “hangouts,” and meeting places. Generally these locations, which together comprise the radical subculture of a community, are rife with extremist rhetoric. Though the locations can be mosques, more likely incubators include cafes, cab driver hangouts, flophouses, prisons, student associations, non-governmental organizations, hookah (water pipe) bars, butcher shops and book stores.
While it is difficult to predict who will radicalize, these nodes are likely places where like-minded individuals will congregate as they move through the radicalization process. ”
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/files/NYPD_Report-Radicalization_in_the_West.pdf
Jihad is caused by, created by, people, in particular, Muslims.
underbed cat says
I agree the socialization process is effective, stress relieving but it is all centered around the doctrine……the group think and seduction just makes it easier to swallow the call to jihad and think it is spiritual. That is why the information is silenced to the outside world…it is not nice stuff.
Thou shall not kill as a commandment fades away…unless you believe in the ten commandments.
mortimer says
Read this: http://www.barrelstrength.com/2014/02/28/alternate-universe-doug-saunders/
Article: “The Alternate Universe of Doug Saunders”about a debate with Salim Mansur, Associate Professor of Political Science at Western University, on ‘Muslim Immigration is No Threat to Canada or the West’
Doug Saunders, an architecture buff, was beaten by Salim Mansur, a political scientist raised in India and who studied Islam his whole life.
Nikolai Sennels (a clinical psychologist who studied Muslims in prisons) proves Doug Saunders is out to lunch about Islam and the Muslim intentions of world conquest.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/myth-busting-doug-saunders-10-myths-about-muslims-in-the-west
DFD says
Thanks for the links
gravenimage says
Thanks, Mortimer.
Salome says
My bet is that any Christianity he had in his childhood he left behind to become a violent criminal, and in prison he discovered a faith that is just perfect for violent criminals.
Mockingjay says
– “Extremists” often come from “Christian families.”
– So – a so called “journalist” makes these unsubstantiated claims, without backing it up with ANY kind of valid research and/or statistics.
– I, for one, would really like him to
a.) define what he calls “often” (what percentage constitutes “often”?)
and
b.) then see some evidence for his claim that it is indeed the case that this determined definition of “often” applies to the relative number of terrorist attacks commited by muslim converts who were “born in Christian families”.
– Obviously, these sort of figures will not be provided by this Doug Saunders.
He just puts something out there, – even if it is on twitter and on his personal account – because it seems to him like a clever argument against everyone who states that islam is to blame.
– There are many like him, who think they are very clever in this way, and they will take this kind of completely invalid reasoning as “proof” for their already held false beliefs.
There are many conspiracy theories going around about what is happening in the world today.
But the more I read what people are saying, f.e. on twitter, especially after this last attack in London, the more I believe that we really don’t need conspiracy theories to explain all the absurd things going on – the simple fact is: many people just really are very, very dumb.
Kay says
Many people believe and repeat dumb arguments like his because it’s easier than having to confront an ugly reality.
Sassy says
He tweeted you are a NAZI. Translation: You win. He lost.
Messianic Fuzz says
And God will send them a strong delusion…
Terry Gain says
Immediately after 9/11 Saunders tried to convince Globe & Mail readers that Jihad meant personal struggle.
Baucent says
Saunders statement defies common sense. The Jihadi, if asked would have identified himself as a muslim and denounced his Christian relatives for not believing the prophet. His motivation for the attack was entirely related to the teaching of Islam. He had abandoned any restraint Christian teaching once had over him.
Saunder’s point does highlight one clear fact, people who convert to Islam are likely to become violent.
davej says
I wonder if there are any statistics on the the prevalence of violence among converts to Islam compared to those born into it?
While they can be equally rabid it seems that those who are attracted to this cult as grown adults may be even more dangerous than those unfortunates who were brainwashed since birth.
Anyone who finds the ideology of Islam appealing (compared to any other religion, or no religion) is automatically suspect as being a psychopath or a criminal, or both. Islam should be banned and the first places to start are in our prisons and mental hospitals. It must be made illegal to teach that murder, rape and robbery are acceptable inside a place devoted to rehabilitation.
carol says
davej…Bingo!
Matthieu Baudin says
“… for Saunders and other hard-Leftists, Islam is good and Christianity is bad…”
They loath their own civilisation and detest the institutions that underpin its creation, most notably the Christian Churches and the Great Humanitarian Tradition to which they gave rise. The disdain that Jihadists show for our values and civilisation is politically compatible with the destructive ambitions of the Contemporary Hard-Left, a grouping that has gravitated towards ever closer politically expedient alliances with Militant Islam, today’s ‘shock troops’ for violent discontents and fantasists.
Andrew says
Nor is he alone as you can read here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/266219/here-come-sympathetic-media-profile-pieces-london-daniel-greenfield
SAKOVKT says
Well, yes!
Little Sisters of the Poor and Tasty Cakes were certainly Christian Extremists.
They took their cases to the Supreme Court.
How much more extreme can anyone get?
Well, let’s see,,,,,
Regarding Joseph Goebbels,though : why would a minister of propaganda blatantly admit “say it often, say it loud,,,”?
Isn’t that giving his whole game away?
Fact is, that no one in that era, Right or Left , had much respect for Liberal Democracy anymore because it had Failed to deal with the crisis on the day.
Liberal Nationalist Democracies had become so infested with Socialists that Authoritarianism was viewed as the only answer, on both sides of the European aisle.
The “Masses”, on the other hand, were held in contempt by the Elites, Right and Left.
Goebbels was actually more a typical archetype in his own time, than anything else, and it’s difficult to see how, the Main Stream Media being what it is, that he isn’t an archetype today.
Frankly, how much faith does anyone really have in our Congress, anymore?
Who elected these Idiots?
Who paid for their campaign propaganda and what did the ‘Donors” want?
And the Bottom Line : How Many of Us Fell For IT?
Is that the only difference between Autarky and Democracy, the amount of money it takes to buy Policy?
If that’s really the case, then to hell with Democracy and Joseph Goebbels, if we really can’t have one without the other.
frederick King says
These fools sound like broken records.
Tulip says
The reason why ‘converts’ to Islam are likely to be dangerous is that they are often violent criminals who are converted in prison. They may find that the violence and criminality required by Islam very comfortable, and in accordance with their own predilections. Converts are also likely to take Islam more seriously than those born muslims, and possibly read the koran and other Islamic literature.
Just as few ‘Christians’ actually read and know anything about the bible, most ‘muslims’ don’t look at or think much about the koran. They are just born muslims and that is it. Of course they can become ‘radicalised’, but at present most are not, even if they say they are in favour of Sharia. (If you were living in a muslim country and were classed as a muslim and then phoned by Pew from abroad to ask what you thought about Sharia, what would you say? Telephones have ears.)
Samuel Barthis says
Doug Saunders may be correct, however, where Jesus teaches love, Islam teach peace through violence. Doug’s extrapolation therefore goes too far. From a Peaceful Jesus to violent, murderous disposition is not a teaching communicated by Jesus. This bellicose behavior is certainly a revealed part of the esteemed Prophet of Islam through Allah. If Doug Saunders is willing to blame Christians for belligerence what ought one to say of Khalid Masood and all Muslim bombers\murderers? Did they learn such behavior from their parents or did their local Mosque divulge that during the Friday kutbah
St Ferdinand says
My tweet to this execrable p.o camel dung, paid off by Moslem money
@dougsaunders you=witless worm & useless journo paid off by Moslems. London attacker is Khalid Masood a convert to the moon cult fascism
MSM is useless, immoral, stupid, degenerate and ignorant.
No Fear says
The attacker was clearly heard saying “I kill you in the name of sweet baby Jesus”. He was NOT heard shouting “Allah u Akbar” as he plunged the knife into the policeman. That would never happen.
UNCLE VLADDI says
So, this leftopathic professional slanderer and habitual extortionist insists muslim is a race, then – and one which cannot be changed into by any privileged white man’s mere declaration of faith (shahada)!
Well, at least he’s consistent.
Georg says
Wonder if Doug would have considered him Muslim had he cured cancer.
duh swami says
An original reproduction…
When Christians act up it is in spite of Christianity, not because of it…When Muslims act up it is because of Islam, not in spite of it…
cyrus basile says
If every good Muslim does what is written on the Koran is just the fault of Islam and Muslims
cyrus basile says
No mercy for the British, only disgusting. was precisely the England to want Europe opens to the immigration of Africans, Asians,and the Middle East. now has escaped track for the many European immigrants of the east. They did pay for the whole of Europe for their crimes secular, piracy,conquests,massacres, exploitation and hacking into in the affairs of other peoples, (as for my) in every part of the world. Well now he presents the account, with ENGLANDSTAN!!! Jesus is great and the one true God.
amo says
Man, Again mistake.Islam is not about colour or race,and christianity too.if you know the worst extreme are muslims white europeans.they are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Hell Awaits says
that bearded colored man does not look like Adrian Elms to me
Mike says
If I understand well the article it means that Doug Saunders being from a christian background will be or is already an extremist. it means also he is quite susceptible soon to be a muslim and an islamist . He must also become dangerous . So , I suggest , police arrest him right away for such a bad background.
vladkoval says
Putin’s agent kills Voronenkov in Kiev, Russian ex-PM who gave testimony against the Russian stooge Yanukovich. The gurad kills the killer.
underbed cat says
This Ukraine issue to me is confusing, since it was once part of Russia, and many Russian speaking people still lived there…and a uprising occurs….I remember the first media reports, some Ukranian people were looking for help from Russia. Since then all media reports the complete opposite. It is deep in the woods for me. How strong is the muslim influence in Ukraine? So this horrible street shooting was it done to make Putin a bad guy or as the video assumes it was a hit by Putin.
vladkoval says
I hope we will know soon for sure if its done by Putin or falseflag.
“some Ukranian people were looking for help from Russia”
They were not “Ukrainian”, they even hate this word.
As for Islam in Ukraine look at that:
Dustin Koellhoffer says
Leave a Christian home to become a murdering Moslem jihadi and it’s all the evil Christian’s fault!
https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/01/08/mohammad-the-first-terrorist-and-his-religion-of-self-imposed-brainwashing/
mortimer says
Agree with Dustin’s sarcasm. Doug Saunders has no knowledge of the essential Islamic doctrine of Al Walaa wal Baraa which is the canonical hatred of dirty kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’.
In plain language, Muslims who do not HATE kafirs are going to hell.
Peggy says
Strange how he wasn’t murdering people while he was still a Christian.
He had to convert to Islam in order to give himself permission to kill.
Obviously he couldn’t justify terror in the name of Christianity.
berserker says
The same people who have a problem with identifying Islam with terror have no such problems with doing so with Christianity. So much so that they do not have to offer any evidence to support such a claim.
amo says
i am sure saunders is a catholic follower,as i said before, the catholic is a fake christianity which is inspired by islamic ideology and negligence since ever before.i do not surprise if leftists support islam,because it is the way of their life.
mortimer says
Stop it, amo, reload with facts, not speculation.
T.G. says
Please identify. When you say ‘Christian families’ are you qualifying from the point of view of believers in Christ or from the denominational stance. In Islam anybody who is not a Muslim is a Christian or infidel. So you may be right. Feel better now? I ask you this? When someone murders, does it matter what their religious is. Murder is murder. If as Muslims believe Allah and the Christian God are one and the same (they are not) then that God said “Thou shalt not kill.” No “paradise” for either unless there is repentance and forgiveness (in that order). Beware, God (Jesus Christ) will be the final judge. Your move.
mortimer says
CHRISTIAN ‘EXTREMISTS’ ???
Mother Theresa, Florence Nightingale, Saint Francis of Assisi, Billy Graham, Martin Luther King, C.S. Lewis, Pope John Paul II, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Canon Andrew White Vicar of Baghdad, Francis Loyola, Martin Luther, John Templeton, John D. Rockefeller, St. Paul, Elizabeth Fry, Maximilian Kolbe, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela.
What a bunch of EXTREME CHRISTIANS.
Crusades Were Right! says
“Westminter attacker….was not a Muslim”
…on the grounds that he wasn’t born and raised as one, apparently.
If we apply that “logic” to others, guess what?
MUHAMMAD, THE “PROPHET” OF ISLAM, WAS NOT A MUSLIM EITHER!
Oh, the pain! The pain!
; ¬)
Jeanette says
And all while some Muslims are claiming that Jesus was a Muslim.
(History, timelines, and in fact, everything in the universe, being secondary to the Muslim agenda.)
Santa Voorhees says
That is a very good point. I wonder if Dog Saunders (no, I haven’t forgot any letter, did I?) thought about that as well… but I doubt it.
HomoBalkanicus says
http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/otkrivamo-terorista-iz-londona-klao-srbe-u-bosni/g9z6qtm
Worth a look, I think. Online translator needed (for most of us, anyway).
Florida Jim says
This is nonsense Islamic nonsense. Christians are taught to love they neighbor as thyself and love God with out all heart. Muslims are taught to hate Jews, Americans and now Europeans all who expose them as hypocritical bigots and people who want to behead their neighbors and rape everyone. Muslims are not fit to live in a civil society it is only time that prevents them from the killing embedded in Islam.
Christians are not Saint but they do try hard to improve their relationship with God daily unlike Muslims .
Jeanette says
A Danish man put it very succinctly several years ago: Muslims are not civilized enough to live in civilized countries.
underbed cat says
Christian extremist jihadist…solution to the problem of radicalized muslim problem, he must have been hanging out at the mosque…sounds just like the previous explanations to terror that rolled out of the previous administration….Ob… style.
Franklin P. Uroda says
Great article. Is there a list of your books somewhere that I can get?
John A. Marre says
Utterly amazing how these useful idiots think. They are willing to deny reality in order to promote their pro-Islamic agenda.
The reality is that all converts to Islam were in some other religion before they converted. Converts are the most fervent ones, and they actually put into practice the teachings of their new-found religion, which tells them to murder infidels.
It is my fond wish that this columnist meets the same fate as the employees of Charlie Hebdo.
Brenda Romano says
He CONVERTED to Islam THEREFORE HE IS A MUSLIM NOT A CHRISTIAN! JXXXXXS!
Mo says
“London jihadi “not Muslim,” “extremists” often come from “Christian families”
That’s as far as I read.
Wow, that’s a new low. These Christ-hating, so-called “journalists” continue to outdo themselves in their efforts to not only deny the realities of Islam and the behavior of Muslims but to somehow blame Christianity for their evil deeds.
At least he gets an “A” for effort. That’s quite some mental gymnastics going on there.
unbeleiver1 says
To follow Doug Saunders’ logic, he had to convert to Islam in order to legitimise his actions and qualify to have his 72 virgins, because as a Christian he wouldn’t have had other members of his faith cheering him on , and no basis for his actions
Dacritic says
He was a Muslim. He just BECAME one and DIED as one.