Extremist? No. The Qur’an contains numerous condemnations of homosexual activity: “And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’…And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals.” (Qur’an 7:80-84)
Muhammad specifies the punishment for this in a hadith: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)
“Photos: Islamic State stones a youth accused of homosexuality in Mosul,” by Loaa Adel, Iraqi News, March 27, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace), 3:43 pm
Mosul (IraqiNews.com) The Islamic State group has sentenced a youth to death by stoning in the city of Mosul, on charges of homosexuality.
The terrorist group published photos on affiliated websites showing a number of IS Diwan al-Hisbah (accountability) members, while reading out death sentence according to Sharia, in the presence of a crowd of people, before carrying out the execution based on “the limits of Allah and Islam”.
The photos revealed that the Islamic State militants started to throw the youth with stones, who was blindfolded, after throwing him from a building’s rooftop, but the exact time and location of the execution were not identified.
The incident is not the first of its kind in Mosul, where the terrorist group claims to implement the limits of God and Islam.
Earlier this year, Islamic State militants sentenced a man to death by throwing him from a high rooftop in Mosul, after accusing him of being homosexual, while used the same method to execute four people, including two of its own members, on charges of homosexuality and sodomy in Dor al-Toub area in central Mosul.
Curtis C. Miller says
I do not understand why anyone in the world, especially this nation, would affirm and support the tenets of Islam which include the stoning for sexual sin. In Christianity that does not happen. Christianity is the only world religion, by faith in Jesus Christ, that provides hope to a hopeless world and forgiveness through love. Anything else is tyranny.
Biff H says
There was an exception noted that IS allowed a commander convicted of buggery to be stationed at the frontline with the understanding he kill and be killed. Nothing happens unless Allah wills it. It appears Allah willed the sodomite die a shaheed and have access to the little boys in that whorehouse in the sky. Allah, all merciful and compassionate, granted a believer deficient in his religion the golden ticket to the booty prize. Mashallah.
Keys says
Right, Biff. Allah allows sodomy of pre-pubescent boys, the scattered pearls in paradise, but Allah does not allow adult sodomy. And we must not forget about he Bacha Bazi here on earth.
(QURAN 52:24): “And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.”
(QURAN 56:17): “They will be served by immortal boys.”
(QURAN 76:19): “And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls.”
gravenimage says
Yes–Islam allows pedophilia and homosexual rape if it is intended to humiliate–what it does *not* allow is any affectionate same sexual relationship.
David Ramseur says
There is an Islamic doctrine of infallibility that select Muslims are able to enjoy. I forgot the name, will have to find it in Nonie Darwish’s book “Wholly Different” when I get home. These Islamic leaders are pretty much given an irreproachable license to sin. In Islamic cultures around the world, leaders often parade their sin out in the open. All other Muslims are pressured to conceal their sin for the honor of Islam. Introspection is harem, transformation is cut off at the pass, anger/hatred must continually be stoked and projected outward to the Kaffir. What a horrific civilization. Deception is so groomed into them that nobody even trusts anyone else. And Islam must never be questioned. Otherwise you could end up like the boy in the photograph.
gravenimage says
Yes–as long as Islamic leaders are enforcing Islam on the population, they are to be obeyed without question.
ermom says
Leaders, just like the Muslims ‘perfect model of behavior’, Mohammed.
Isabella says
AMEN!
Jihadi John says
All religions are fairy tale nonsense meant for the highly gullible. Christianity has a degree of intolerance by claiming to be the ONLY way to salvation. It also incorporates homophobia and misogyny. However, Islam is a million times worse!
Alan MacDonald says
Christians are to forgive homosexuallity as well as any other sin if people repent, BUT Christians do not tolerate sin in their midst. Read how Paul dealt with a fornicator in 1Corinthians.
Henner720 says
“Dont talk to the devil. He wins every time” pope frans.
StacyGirl says
Which is why he is so ignored.
james.mich says
Good advice with a long pedigree.
Walter Sieruk says
First ,it should be make clear of the different ways a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian and a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim do at to behave towards a “gay”. That specific kind of Christian will call names ,finger point and quote Bible verses against homosexuality and then even be so ignorant as to tell the gay “man” that inside he’s just “a big woman.” By contrast a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim, as of of ISIS, will murder that man by stoning
Therefore that is something to the semi-joke about the different t kind of negative kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian male and the kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim male when they encounter, at different times, a homosexual man. For when a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian man meets a “gay” man, that type of Christian will say many very ignorant things to him and as a result of those ignorant things said that “gay” man will end up with a headache. In contrast, when a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim man encounters a homosexual man, that type of Muslim will cut that “gay” man’s head off.
john spielman says
I know what you mean but to be clear to other readers;; when some one follows Christ, whether “fundamentalist baptist” or what ever, we show mercy to others and love even our enemies and do good to those who persecute us! Also, as Paul the apostle said; ” this a trustworthy saying; Jesus came into this world to save sinners – of whom I am the worst!”- we cannot condemn others when we our selves, were it not for the grace of God, would be under the same condemnation! we must hate evil ( including all ungodliness we see in the world- even in ourselves) but NOT those who do evil. We must speak the truth about aberrant lifestyles in such a way that they turn and seek the mercy and forgiveness that only True God can give!
God forgive me if /when I condemn muslims with islam. Islam is evil and muhammed was a demon possessed mass murder thief liar and pedophile pervert ( by his own admission) and muslims will die in their sin unless they repent and turn to the real God and His son Jesus,- not allah who is Satan of the Bible
RichardL says
Christian tolerance of homosexuality also has limits: would you want your children educated by gays or transvestites if they teach them that homosexuality is good? Of course we Christians are not completely tolerant: discriminating is an important principle of life. We just don’t go around and mete out harsh punishments to those we think are corrupt and corrupt.
john spielman says
agree! we must hate the sin but not the sinner BUT oppose the homosexual agenda as vigorously as the islamic agenda
Afrikaner says
@ RichardL
Are you saying rejecting homosexual and transgenderism agenda is the same as stoning homosexual individuals to death as ISIS did to this poor young man?
john spielman says
of course he isn’t,- punishment for sin is up to God, and that will be on the Day of Judgement and not before! as per Paul the apostle: 2 Corinthians 5;19
Terry says
Leonardi Da Vinci and/or Michaelangelo are (or written up- when I was in college) as having been homosexual.
Would one object to having one of them as an art teacher?
There have also been many writers ( and even more in the arts-actors and actreseses) who are gay.
Would one object to them being teachers in their arts?
(I am straight, but over the years have known many gay people, and like all people, some are nice and helpful, and others are not).
Aloha Akbar says
@Terry I think Richard meant he wouldn’t like it if the gay teachers were Teaching that gay lifestyle is good. And l would agree with that.
They go to school to learn the 3 R’s, not about homosexual tendencies.
Teacher can be as gay as anything, just don’t indoctrinate the kids.
Alan MacDonald says
A Christian is not to hate homosexuals or anyone else. But a Christian also does not fellowship with sinners either. 1Cor. 6 & 7
dhans says
IMO, Christianity is in danger of becoming extinct, as its current interpretation is way too forgiving of people outside the faith, and those who have hatred for the faith. “Love your enemies” is not the only thing Jesus said, so it is a huge mistake to reduce Christianity into a three word sound bite. Witness what Jesus said in Matthew 15: 21-28 as to how he reacts to someone outside of the culture and religion. He is extremely dismissive to the women (I would say insulting as he compares her to a unworthy dog), and only helps her when she acknowledges his supremacy and leadership. This is the same person that took a whip to people. This is the same person who told his followers to sell their cloak and buy a sword (Luke 22:36). Jesus understood what his fate was, so he tells his disciples to hold their swords on the day of his arrest, but he also understand the fate of Christianity after his resurrection. They are now on their own in this world, as his message has been delivered. The sword is necessary, just as “there is a time for hate” and “there is a time for war” (Ecclesiastes 3:8).
Christianity was dominant when it engaged in its own exclusivity in religion. Today it does not demand that of it’s followers, so it is dying as a result of it’s own tolerance. Excessive tolerance, forgiveness, and love can become vices, if not properly tempered and focused.
How are we supposed to act as Christians? That’s above my pay grade, but I don’t think the current, Neo Liberal view of Christianity in todays churches that is taught as strictly something that teaches “love your enemy” has any merit. Christianity will naturally rediscover its own need for an exclusive community as the world around it becomes increasingly hostile to it’s teachings, and actively seeks the death of it’s followers. Christianity does predict this demise, it is called the Apocalypse.
dhans says
For the atheists out there:
“Vice is a monster of such frightful mien,
to be hated is but to be seen.
Yet seen to oft, familiar with it’s face,
we first pity, then endure, then embrace.”
Alexander Pope, Essay of Man
Kris T says
Islam and the Bible both say to kill gays – when will ethical reformers rise up and make the needed changes to those texts?
john spielman says
see my response to Walter immediately above. The killing of homosexual practitioners and adulterers fornicators, as happened in the Old Testament, was recorded when God ruled over the Israel directly and Moses would talk to God face to face to confirm such penalties before carried out. When Israel rejected direct rule by God in favor of an earthly kings, these laws were not enforced otherwise King David would have been stoned to death for adultery and murder!
Kris T says
So apparently the Christian “god” doesn’t understand right from wrong. We KNOW the Islamic god doesn’t.
Kris T says
Please stop (effectively) defending the killing of gays.
If we are to condemn the Islamic texts for saying to kill gays (we need to do this, and Robert has lead the way), then to be credible and intellectually consistent we must also condemn OTHER texts that say to kill or mistreat gays. Neither “god” will let gays into their “heaven”, so both gods are simply outdated.
RichardL says
he is not defending the killing of practicing gays with the Bible. Treatment of gays is analogous to treatment of adulterers/prostitutes: who is without sin, cast the first stone. Since, as John says, we are all sinners, we cannot cast stones. Old Testament and New Testament.
john spielman says
yes God forbid I should ever condemn a person for homosexual acts or any other sin, as I am as guilty before God of sin- as all are. Followers of Jesus the Christ must not cast the first stone (or any stone) because we are not without sin and were it not for the blood sacrifice that Jesus made for sin ( my sin and for the world’s, I would perish in Hell fire myself!
john spielman says
addendum ; homosexuality like any sin must be confessed and by the Holy Spirit indwelling followers of Christ, we become a “new creation”, so that we don’t have to be enslaved to such life styles and can be set free from it- whether alcohol or other drug addiction or homosexuality /fornication/adultery etc
Martin N says
God does not let anyone into heaven who has transgressed any part of the law. The law exists to show us that we’re incapable of keeping it. Do homosexuals deserve death? Yes. So do I, as a former adulterer and fornicator. Thank God, I was given repentance by Him and ceased acting out on my fleshly impulses 6+ years ago, whereas for 20+ years before that there was no reprieve, even though I wanted to stop at certain times. I know I didn’t stop of my own accord. No one is singling out homosexuality as the most cardinal of sins.
And if you want to look how diametrically opposed Jesus’ from Mohammad’s treatment of sinners is, then look no further than the woman at the well, who was about to be stoned to death… What would Mohammad have done? Stone her to death. What did Jesus do? Forgive and asked her to repent.
What a difference eh?
bernie says
In Christianity however, gays have the opportunity to repent. In many Muslim nations they do not have that chance, because they arr put to death.
Personally, I have the same opinion tiwards gays that I do towards smokers; I like them as people, but I disagree with their conduct.
However, I really abhor those Muslims who think that consensual homosexuality between adults is one of the worst of all sins, but who simultaneously believe that it’s “holy” and halal to sodomize young boys, or to take girls and women as sex slaves, and so on.
Terry says
In the Jewish religion (The Old Testament, and the Commentaries, Talmad, and other works)- ALL GOOD PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE IN THE WORLD TO COME (IE. HEAVEN).
Other religions are more restrictive-saying (or seeming to say) only those who follow their faith, (Or, beleive in jesus, or believe in Allah-for Muslims, etc).
Kay says
Who told you that gays are not in heaven?
Sonshine says
Jesus did not simply let the woman caught in adultery of the hook. Read John 8 and you will see this whole situation was a jack up to trap Jesus, with the woman being used as a pawn in the game the Pharisees were playing.
1. Jesus was was not a civil magistrate and so if they had been serious in their charge against the woman they would not have brought her to Jesus but taken her to the courts.
2. There are two parties involved in adultery, so where was the man? They caught them in the act, but only brought the woman. They were not interested in what the law said.
This was a public scene staged with the intent of humiliating Jesus in public. The Pharisees set up an impromptu court and and set Jesus up as the ‘Judge’. He took the role, but brilliantly out-witted them. Pestered to give a ruling, he eventually countered with the famous (and much misunderstood) comment, “He that is without sin cast the first stone.” The way this is usually understood would make Jesus an anarchist who destroys all law. God had already mandated that there were some situations when death was a required penalty. Those who were to carry out such penalties were sinners. The only people available to administer justice are sinners, thus if Jesus was saying you had to be ethically perfect before judgement could be passed and a penalty carried out, then no judgement could be passed or penalties implemented for any behaviour/crime. Thus all justice system of the world would have been undercut. Jesus was not an anarchist so this understanding cannot be correct.
When Jesus later said to the woman, “Go and sin no more/ leave your life of sin.” He was not telling her to go and be morally perfect because that would be impossible for her. He was telling her to go and not commit adultery again. Thus when he said earlier, “He that is without sin case the first stone.” he was not meaning that he who was morally perfect could should cast the first stone, but he that has not committed adultery should case the first stone.
This counter charge from Jesus cleared the court the Pharisees had set up. They all left. Jesus then asks the woman “Where are those who accuse you?” ‘They’ve all gone (paraphrase)’ she replied. With no accusers there was no accusation/case against the woman, and Jesus as ‘Judge’ of the court, rightly dismissed the case and freed the woman. He fully upheld the law (with its death penalty provisions), yet freed the woman from the grasp of the wicked men who maliciously used her.
However Jesus knew she was guilty, and she knew she was guilty, and so as ‘Judge’ he cautioned her to go and ‘sin no more’.
Brilliant!
Oliver says
I, personally, have never seen where G-d says gay people cannot go to heaven.
as mentioned elsewhere, in Judaism, all good people are afforded a palce in ‘ THE WORLD TO COME” (ie. heaven)
Walter Sieruk says
To John Spielman, the point you make is clear ,nevertheless the other aspect not taken into account. Which is in that the Old Testament law of death penalty for homosexuality in no longer in effect with the establishment of Christianity ,Galatians 3:13, yet it’s still a sin . Just a committing adultery is still a sin in Christianity yet the death penalty for it is invalid.
In contrast Muslims are behind the times .For Islam still teaches death for “gays”
john spielman says
I agree, as Paul the apostle in 2 Corinthians 5:19… God is reconciling the world to Himself in CHRIST, not counting their sins against them…” means (I think) that sinners in this world including muslims and homosexuals and… all of us, will not be punished by God for our sins now ( though our sins may bring consequences in this world ) and unless we confess our sins to God and believe in the sin atoning sacrificial death of Jesus as the only Son of God, we all will be condemned to the Lake of Fire forever- shut out from the presence of God
Wellington says
Even without the New Testament, Walter Sieruk and john spielman, there would be no stoning anymore of homosexuals per the Old Testament instruction because the OT is often not a paradigm for action for all time while the Koran always is. After all, no Orthodox rabbi, for that matter no Ultra-Orthodox rabbi, thinks a gay man or woman should be killed because of their sexual orientation and their acting upon it.
I do not in any way mean to demean the NT, quite the contrary in fact, only to indicate that between the Old Testament and the Koran exists a monumental difference, a chasm of the first dimension, which can be comprehended even without any reference to the New Testament.
gravenimage says
Very true, Wellington.
Carolyne says
News Flash—–Most people don’t care what others do in the bedroom (Or any other room for that matter) so long as it involves consenting adults. Pedophilia is an entirely different matter. I don’t think homosexuals indulge in pedophilia more than any other group. While I don’t understand attraction to same sex, it is none of my business. Why would a God care if a person engages in homosexual behavior? Doesn’t he/she have more important things to worry about>
Terry says
In the Old Testament, (a) reason for the dislike of homosexuual activity ( amongst the Israelites-the term used then) was due to their small numbers- as compared to their enemies. (Since homosexual couples could not reproduce to increase the population, the severe prohibitions and penalties -mentioned but rarely carried out- ) The death penalty was rarely carried out for sexual crimes.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Carolyne.
phil limon says
Jesus did reform Old Testament practices by example — saving the adulteress condemned by law about to be stoned, saying to the attackers “he without sin cast the first stone”, releasing the adulteress telling her “sin no more”
Anti-Christ Muhammad in the same situation infamously commanded the adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death. Hadith: Sahih Bukhari (6:60:79)
Terry says
While mentioned in The Old ZTestament, it was RARELY CARRIED OUT. (this is to Kris)
Kris T says
But we can still agree that it was immoral, correct – that parts of the Bible/Qur’an are still to this very day immoral, right?
john spielman says
The commandments of God are not immoral but to our depraved society they do seem immoral as we can neither perceive nor accept absolute righteousness of God in our fallen sinful state
Martin N says
The Bible’s message overall is certainly not immoral. Are there immoral behaviors depicted in the OT and NT? Of course, but they are always committed by us, sinners… and God’s response to each act or even thought of disobedience is rather clear, starting with Adam and Eve and onward until today. You want no evil whatsoever? Take away everyone’s free will and give it over to God… or leave it intact and get everyone to act perfectly according to God’s law. Oh you can’t? Then you got exactly what we have today… because we ASKED for it, whether we know it or not, intended it or not… All have sinned and fall short of God’s glory. And you’ve heard this before probably a million times, but the slate was wiped clean, the unblemished lamb was sacrificed for ALL of our collective sin…
All you have to say is – I surrender. I capitulate my pretense. I give the reigns to God, His Son and the Holy Ghost. Your new life on Earth and in eternity begins at that very moment of surrender… the rest is just your true purpose being fulfilled, however that may look – good, bad or ugly…
Who doesn’t want to cheat death? You can, through Christ.
Alan MacDonald says
Any one who claims to be an ‘ethical reformer’ has no right to change anything that the Bible says.
Carolyne says
Kind of like a Muslim with the Koran? Eternal truth?
john spielman says
that’s correct; that is why islam can NEVER be reformed as it would require muslims to accept that muhammed was a demon possessed mass murderer thief liar and pedophile pervert
but islam is a lie form Satan not God,as even a cursory reading of the qur’an and hadiths of islam vs the Bible would show that to be true
no_one says
Poor kid.
Eur says
Why do not all homosexuals living in the Islamic hell come to the West? Are welcome. You also adulterate, apostates, atheists, Christians … come and denounce the fascist crap that is Islam.
Dennis says
Will the western gay communities take note of this and other atrocities enacted by Islam? I doubt it. Most will attack Israel instead; is real with the largest gay population in the Middle East; Israel that doesn’t persecute gays!
logan says
i agree that leftists/liberals/sjws/feminists have infected mainstream culture such that they’ll perform mental gymnastics in attempting to effectively defend islam under the fear of “racism” and “intolerance” –
but plenty of gays, gay-allies, and people within the “gay community” – christian or otherwise- will aknowledge this.
but even if they didn’t; that doesn’t negate nor justify the obvious bigotry, demonization, and mistreatment homosexuals face at the hands of christians/christianity.
you’re behaving exactly like the so-called “moderate” muslims – constatnly attempting to keep the heat off the negative aspects of your own religion by emphasizing the negative aspects of other religions, then claiming to be “persecuted”/”victimized” by others when they point out your hypocristy in an attempt to silence and demonize them.
and before you fall prey to the bias/genetic/ad hom fallacy; the truth of what i just said isn’t contingent on me being gay or non-christian.
i don’t care if someone is a christian, just be honest and don’t act like the true enemy here (islam), otherwise you’re no better.
Terry says
Logan-I am not homosexual, but (I wrote earlier) have known people who were. What demonization, and mistreatment of homosexuals in the Christian community? (I am not a Christian).
I see-tolerance, possibly some not wanting to SOCIALLY associate with homosexuals, but that is free choice as to whom one wishes to or wishes not to, socilaize with.
I, personally, tend NOT to socialzie with peopel with many tattoos. I don’t demonize them, just (a) do’t know any people with lots of tattoos, and (b) think that tattoos are dumb. And my friends don’t have them. But, just my free choice with whom I wish to associate with (socially); businesswise-different.
Kris T says
Could an ethical Christian start the process of removing “kill gays” from the Islamic texts by serving as a role model to Muslims by having the moral courage to remove that same “kill gays” wording from their own BIBLE? Would seem like a loving thing to do, no?
The fact that Christians keep that same wording in their religious book serves to JUSTIFY the same thing in the Islamic texts – it serves to give Muslims cover. I love both Muslims and Christians though, so please don’t misunderstand me.
David Ramseur says
It is not in our authority to arbitrarily remove revelatory truth from God’s word. Also, if you really desire to understand the Christian response to homosexuality, or any sexual sin, you ought to dig into the what God communicates thru His word a little deeper. Have a little curiosity at least. It is one of the most ridiculous false-equivalencies to tie Biblical living to Quranic living. There is a reason why billions of Bible believing Christians around the world do not execute gays, let alone abuse them. It is because they have the proper understanding of God’s will as communicated thru the text. ISIS does Islam, selfless evangelists do Christianity. Christ made all things new, and He makes all things new for whosoever will let Him. He is the Truth and the Truth shall set you free. Islam mentions nothing like that.
gravenimage says
Kris T wrote:
Could an ethical Christian start the process of removing “kill gays” from the Islamic texts by serving as a role model to Muslims by having the moral courage to remove that same “kill gays” wording from their own BIBLE?
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For one thing, Muslims consider the Bible to have been “corrupted” by Christians and Jews as it is.
When have Muslims *ever* been inspired by Christian decency? Muslims just consider Christians weak for not being as savage as they are.
Muslims are not slaughtering gay people because they think that this is what Christians and Jews are doing–they know they are not.
DFD says
Sharia…. I repost my thoughts, my idea thereto
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We should practice sharia in Europe to show our guests that we are truly multicultural and really, really respect them and embrace diversity!
No, I am not mad!
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I just began to think, so, here is my proposal, sharia, applicable for Muslims only, so they wont be offended any more.
– Sexual activity outside marriage – :
None-rape: 100 lashes
Rape: Stoning to death (this can be done by building companies, they are professionals when it comes to handling stones, and they have a large supply of bricks. And most of these will be reusable, thus cutting costs)
– Alcohol consumption – :
100 blows with a stick
– Theft – :
Amputations. So as not to overload the medical system, this can be done by, preferably unemployed, butchers. This will reduce the rate of unemployment in their profession dramatically, and it will be done more hygienically than in a Muslim country – a win-win for all!
– Blasphemy – :
Any Muslim found or learned about, who is not of the right Islamic persuasion, will be beheaded.
– Hate speech – :
Anyone found in possession of, or attempting to distribute in whatever form, a scripture or text pretending or proclaiming to be of any form of religious nature, but inciting violence in whatever form, will be burned alive. An allowance can be made of the culprit prefers to be beaten to death.
– Treasonous acts – :
Either hanging from a building crane or firing squad.
– Now adding homosexuality: Homosexual Muslims (that excludes of course ex-Muslims, as in all cases above!) will get a free lesson in bungee-jumping, first offense. Second time, still free, but no rope.
I think that would be a good start to show that we are genuine about multi-cultural diversity and acceptance of their customs – for them exclusively. Good idea, no?
Wellington says
You make an interesting point, DFD. After all, Islam on display in all its “full glory” might be the best remedy of all to insure the riddance of Islam once and for all.
If so, count me in.
gravenimage says
Islamic State stones to death a youth accused of homosexuality in Mosul
………………………….
This *poor man*.
Notice that the victim is dressed in Western clothing. This in and of itself may have been enough for the charge of “homosexuality”. In other instances, young men have been accused of homosexuality for just wearing jeans, a goatee beard, or enjoying Emo music.
JMB says
Mr Graven Image; I will ask you a question, or perhaps others may be able to answer this. I completely agree he is a “poor man” man and all of this is totally barbaric. But I would like to know from you or any other reader; do any of the Gay Pride marches and rallies ever condemn Islamic violence towards homosexuals including incidents such as this stoning?
It is all a bit like the way the Vatican does not condemn violence against Christians in Islamic countries.
I personally do not support homosexuality but every individual should have the right of personal safety.
gravenimage says
I do know a handful of gay people who really do grasp what a threat Islam is to homosexuals, and the whole of the West.
But, sadly, most of them are in complete denial over what Islam really is.
It drives the few Islamo-savvy gay people crazy.
JMB says
Thank you for your reply,
JMB
Verity Pink says
Love “Islamo-savvy” – great counter to “Islamophobic”.
gravenimage says
Thanks, JMB and Verity Pink.
Mishelle says
The right to take away a life like this is horrific enough. Whether he is gay or not.
Throwing someone of a building and then stoneing them to death. Barbaric.
You have just taken away a young mans life. And what for. Because he was gay. REALLY.
WHAT A HORRIBLE WORLD WE LIVE IN WHEN LIFE IS SO MEANINGLESS IN SOME COUNTRIES. This man did nothing wrong. And had his life taken away from him because of what peolpe dont agree with.
gravenimage says
Much of our world is wonderful. That warped by the evil of Islam is anything but.
bernie says
True. However, I.S. has murdered people just for being regular magicians who pull rabbits out of hats, or who brew, sell or drink alcohol, or even who smoke (and plenty of Muslims smoke, although Islam discourages smoking, without branding it “haram.”)
Plus, of course I.S. kills, rapes and pillages anyone who is either non-Muslim, or who is Muslim but in disagreement with I.S.
gravenimage says
All true, Bernie.
duh swami says
Killing gays is not funny, but some of the posts here are…
Kris T says
Yes, I’ve never seen people try to defend the killing of gays in religious texts as much as I’ve seen on this thread. Sad.
RichardL says
Kris, I have read all posts and I cannot find anyone defending the killing of gays for religious reasons.
Most people here make a difference between theory and practice, i.e. between islam and Muslims.
When Christians say than living gay is a sin, it does not mean that they want the gay punished, it doesn’t even mean that they don’t like gays individuals. I have many gay friends. They sin. So do I. I could not believe in a god who puts people in hell or wants me to kill or disrespect people who sin. Many Muslims are different because they fear their allah god. There are fundamental differences between the religions.
common sense says
God calls homosexuality an abomination
(Leviticus 18:22) (Leviticus 20:13)
Leviticus is where the Bible says that homosexual behavior is an abomination. It also says that homosexuals should receive the death penalty. It also says the same thing about eating pork or shellfish, charging interest on loans, and many other restrictions that were a part of the Old Testament Law Code. But for Christians, the Old Testament doesn’t (dare I say “shouldn’t?”) settle any issue because Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. Which is probably why most Christians today eat meat, use credit cards, wear makeup, and support equality for women.
Hebrews 8:13- the old law is obsolete and aging.
Islam should take note.
Poor kid I wonder if he was really even gay at all.
In another slippery slope that’ll I’ll fall down: In Biblical times, same-sex for lustful purposes between adult men and adolescent boys (masters and servants), via prostitution, and by men who were married to women was viewed as sinful, excessive, lustful, and against God’s law. No mention of love, commitment and relations between gays is expounded.
Sodom & Gomorrah (Genesis 19)
God sends two angels disguised as men into the City of Sodom where the men of Sodom threatened to rape them. The angels blind the men, and God destroys the city. For centuries, this story was interpreted as God’s judgment on same-sex relations, but the only form of same-sex behavior described is a threatened gang rape. ”
So gang rape = not good, gay men are not mentioned. Only that the rape would have been homosexual rather than heterosexual.
Fornication itself for selfish purposes is a described sin no matter who your partner is when no love or relation is involved. Male and female adulters are sinners in that they lie to set up rendezvous and cheat on their spouses with no child making involved.
We all fall short if the mark since I was taught that sex is for only when you are married and attempting to have children. I didn’t even come close.
Again Islam is the subject here and is so freaking barbaric. Many Christians have all kinds of opinions and some are even gay, we do not kill people over it.
Terry says
Common sense-much in the Old Testamnent was for the well being of the people (the Israelites). Homosexuality-if strictly homosexual-could not reporiduce- thus endangering the ( for want of a btter term) replensihemnt of the people. The dietary laws- were for sanitary and health reasos. And, as a note- jews are forbidden to eat milk and meat. This si from some 3,000+ years ago.. fast forward ( now going back in time) to the 1950’s when President Eisenhower had his heart attack. One of his doctor’s went on to tell Pres. Eisenhower NOT TO EAT MEAT AND MILK OR ANY DAIRY PRODUCT WITH MEAT, AS IT IS UNHELATHY.
And, as to the punishments, they were rarely carried out. Using modern terms, usally a slap on the wrist.
Kris T says
” Homosexuality-if strictly homosexual-could not reporiduce- thus endangering the ( for want of a btter term) replensihemnt of the people.” – YOU ARE TRYING TO *DEFEND* THE SAME BARBARIC THAT ROBERT IS BRAVELY TRYING TO STOP! Stop trying to defend immoral teachings – immoral teachings are to be condemned, not defended. If we can’t condemn the Bible then we have no moral standing to condemn followers of the Islamic texts (when it comes to barbaric treatment of gays.)
Intellectual consistency, folks – we can win a war without it.
Kay says
Kris,
Please list the chapter and verse that you are referring to.
The God of the Bible is merciful. You may disagree with some posters on which human actions require mercy. The consistency is in God. God is merciful.
Terry says
I am not defending the killing of gays. In Leviticus, it said that- AS A WARNING, SO AS NOT TO BE PRACTICED.
READ MY LAST SENTENCE- RARELY ( IF EVER) WERE THESE PUNISHMENTS EVER DONE.
Kris T says
No, Mt 5:17 Jesus says the old laws are still valid.
Also, the Bible says god does not change. What, all of a sudden god decided to change his mind?
The barbarity in the Bible is a bit less clear-cut than the barbarity in the Islamic texts, however. Mohammad was often quite clear in his barbaric teachings. Pedophiles can be that way.
Kay says
Before Milo Y lost his stage, he would say- conservative Christians won’t bake you a cake; Muslims will kill you.
Everyone might not agree with you . . . but they don’t kill you because of it.
Terry says
Kay– great line.
gravenimage says
Jews and Christians are not killing people for being homosexual–nor for eating shellfish.
Terry says
Graven-nor are Jews- even very religious ones- killing people for eating meat and dairy products together.
As an aside- THERE RE SOME VERY KOSHER MC DONALD’S IN ISRAEL- AND THEY SERVE CHEESEBURGERS.
how they get around the NO MEAT AND DAIRY TOGETHER IS INTERESTING.
They use REAL MEAT AND CHEESE MADE FROM SOYBEANS.
OR,
REAL CHEESE AND MEAT FROM SOYBEANS.
(ONE OR THE OTHER- and they advise their patrons of which one a particular McDonald’s does) (I have friends who live in israel, and others who visited, and told me this)
gravenimage says
True, Terry. Of course, there are also establishments in Israel selling actual cheeseburgers, and no one there is killing them, of course.
Terry says
The Nazis also gassed homosexuals.
Manny says
How horrifying. Islam is satanic. It is evil.
Kay says
The horrors committed for Islam (Sharia?) hurt not only the ones inflicted but also all those who are encouraged to be heartless and cruel.
Manny says
Agreed
Kris T says
I’m heartened by all the posts here that condemn the Islamic imperative to kill gays. Excellent. But I’m very very saddened by all the defense of the Christian texts which say to kill gays as well. Let’s face it, neither Mohammad nor the authors of the Bible understood right from wrong. I do applaud Robert for bringing the killing of gays to light – keep up the good work.
Ethel Red The Unready says
How simple life could be. Keep your hands too yourself, we all have different likes or dislikes, as long as the actions are within the law, so be it.
Katie B. says
Please show me where it says in the New Testament where it says a Christian is supposed to kill gays.
alex9234 says
It’s in the book of Romans.
Sonshine says
Where?
citycat says
Whw does Islam hate gays?
Is it because gays are not blagged by the idea of 72 virgins?
What some gays say about a vagina you do not want to know
Allah the taker has no cock for gays
No vagina for Muslims
Only eyes and mouth for Muslim souls
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Ethel Red The Unready says
What I had read was the Imam, if a stoning was to take place, the size of the stones was very critical for this barbarity. Too big was definitely no good as a stone too big would kill quickly, and too small everyone would probably have to miss one of their idiotic, numerous, prayer sessions if the stoning took too long. I don’t know if I have broken a law in Canada by talking this way as Bill M-103 is around. I think Trudeau is starting to build Gulags in the far north for all who reject that fool Iqra Khalids non-sence. We must get rid of Trudeau next election as Sharia will be on the table next. Whoops I done it again, the Gulag for sure.