The neighbor said: “I don’t know him personally but I believe he belongs to a mosque on Leyton High Road. I’ve seen his face many times. I saw him on the news at around 7pm last night and thought ‘this is the guy I know from the mosque.”
However, “worshippers at the Al-Tawhid mosque in Leyton were surprised to learn of Masood’s alleged links with the mosque.”
So the neighbor didn’t know Khalid Masood personally, but knew him well enough to recognize him, and realize when he saw the attacker that he had seen him coming and going from the mosque. The people in the mosque, however, say they didn’t know him. Who is telling the truth? It is impossible to know for sure, but the neighbor has no motive to fabricate a connection between Masood and the mosque, while the mosque has an obvious interest in denying any such connection even if there was one. Moreover, we have seen deception from mosques that jihadis attended before. After a Muslim who supported the Islamic State shot a police officer in Philadelphia, the local mosque leaders initially denied knowing him, but then it turned out they were lying, and the jihadi attended the mosque frequently. The same thing happened after jihadis attacked our free speech event in Garland, Texas: the mosque they attended in Phoenix denied knowing them, but it turned out they were regular members.
This Leyton mosque should be investigated, but it is more likely that its claims about not knowing Masood will be accepted at face value.
“EXCLUSIVE: London terror attacker Khalid Masood, 52, once stabbed a man in the FACE and changed from Kent schoolboy Adrian Elms to maniac who launched car and knife rampage through Westminster,” by Richard Spillett, Martin Robinson and Thomas Burrows, MailOnline, March 23, 2017:
The British-born jihadi who killed four and injured 29 in Westminster was last night revealed to be a middle-aged criminal career who MI5 had investigated in the past and had a previous conviction for stabbing a man in the nose.
English teacher Khalid Masood, 52, a ‘lone wolf’ attacker, who was living in the Birmingham area, had a series of convictions for assault and other crimes….
Masood then moved to Birmingham, although he was also registered as living in a terraced house in West Ham last year.
A neighbour, who asked not to be named, told the Press Association: ‘This guy is a local guy. I’ve been living in the area for 20 years.
‘I don’t know him personally but I believe he belongs to a mosque on Leyton High Road.
‘I’ve seen his face many times. I saw him on the news at around 7pm last night and thought ‘this is the guy I know from the mosque.’
‘He had a beard and big eyes.’
Worshippers at the Al-Tawhid mosque in Leyton were surprised to learn of Masood’s alleged links with the mosque.
One, Abdul Abdul, told the Telegraph: ‘We condemn this attack. A true Muslim would never do this. He’s not one of us, he’s not a representative of us’….
Jack says
Muslims always lie
jayell says
Here’s a good buzz-phrase – ‘Institutional Dishonesty’. Just about sums up the whole rotten lot of them, and probably explains why they never got anywhere much or produced anything much in 1,400 years, because they’re too busy trying to con each other to find time to work with anyone else constructively. Hardly surprising, when their precious spoof ‘religion’ was cobbled together by a devious, perverted, illiterate crook in order simply to con all and sundry into supporting HIM and his megalomaniac ambitions. It also probably explains why Muslims are reputed to be happier in someone else’s environment rather than their own, because other peoples would build their societies on honesty and trust and would therefore work far better – until, that is, they’re daft enough to let a load of muslims in, allow them to do as they please, and consequently screw up the whole show. Which is where Dave is so right about the UK.
jayell says
Here’s another buzz-phrase – ‘Institutional Idiocy’ – the conscious submerging of one’s intelligent critical faculties in order to promote an absurd cotention for highly dubious and ill-advised political/social ends, and then attempt to deny the predictable consequences even when they are staring you in the face. A bit like a latter-set King Canute. Perhaps we should take Mrs. May down from the House of Commons to the bank of the Thames at low tide, put her on a chair and tell her to command the waters not to rise. It would save the cost of a new Thames Barrier, but she’s probably have no success than attempting to civilise the Muslims. On the other hand it might mean we get a sensible leader in the UK…..
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jayell says
Sorry, my Samsung phone keeps making things up for me (like a British politicain!). It should have read ‘latter-DAY King Canute’. That’s rather a good image for May & Co., thinking they can hold back the tide of Islam by sitting on their backsides and spouting absurd, inaccurate platitudes.
William Hanson says
Mozlems invented the toilet street 1400 years ago, during Queen Victoria’s early reign, a Thomas Crapper inventor of the WC cut a hole in these seats.
Kolga says
Muslims are incompatible with any cohesive Wesrern democracy and contribute nothing within the societies they infect.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
SweetOlBob says
From the days of the pedophile, baby raping, muhammad (lower case intentional) The filthy muslims have contributed NOTHING except war and bloodshed.
All the great things they claim were discovered by other civilizations (who actually were civilized) that were murderously conquered by the filthy muslims.
Most of the lies begin there. Those lies worked so well that the filthy muslims continue the practice today, when ever there is a chance.
Daddy, why do you call them filthy muslims ? …… Smell his left hand, child.
roger woodhouse says
Its in their DNA.There first natural response to a question from a ‘kaffir’ is to lie.Impossible people to deal with in any kind of business.The naive British though in there desperation to please will believe anything.Listen to the claptrap spouted by our politicians and their haste to cover up any of these terror attacks as having nothing to with Islam.
Jesse James says
Their ‘book’ tells them to lie, rape & kill!!
Godwin says
It is not a book but a war manual.
Michael says
What a book, isn’t it? A killing manual, the instruction book on subjugating people, destroying people, pillaging. All of it. And this is a ‘religion’? It is the book of a mad man, who somehow elevated himself to God. And all in Islam are in service to Mohammad.
Manuel 2 Paleologus says
Amen. DO NOT TRUST ANY OF THEM. Even a so called ‘good’ may become what we see today.
In islam lies are considered justified in support to spreading their mental poison.
Michael says
I had a conversation with a friend last night who said he knows several ‘nice Muslims.’ I cautioned him, though I’m sure I sound like I’m paranoid — which I admit to being at times, realizing the foe we are up against. After reading ‘A God of Hate’ by Wafa Sultan, it’s clear that even those who are citizens, often spit upon this country, curse it, and have used entrance into it only to subvert it. They talk ‘nice’ in public. Between themselves, in mosques, it’s often, perhaps most times, a very different story.
Caution and distrust, to say the least.
balam says
MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE BECAUSE THEY SUFFER FROM QURONIC TRUTH-O-PHOBIA
RationalVoice says
Most of Europe’s politicians do as well it would seem !
The public are the sacrificial victims of this in order not offend their own substantial Muslim populations and voters
frederick King says
Hopefully, politicians around the world will some day, figure out, and admit, islam is not a religion of peace. They will be forced to admit muslims that are afraid of doing murder, or are too lazy to take active part in the violent spread of islam, are just as guilty of following this violent , supremacist political movement as the actual murderers. They actively cover up and hide first hand knowledge of the jihad movement. Not every muslim on this planet is evil. I suspect many don’t even go to church or believe in this god and muhammad superstition from the dark ages. I must say one thing that is a plus with some muslims. Iranians in particular. When they catch true human trash-piles that are a hazzard to normal humans, they hang them in public. They also hang people for no good reason, but they must be given credit for dealing with dangerous criminals effectively. We should be using Iranian techniques for dealing with jihadists, and the imams that incite, and inspire jihadists to murder innocent people. London should bring out the old “Triple tree”, and use it, just like they did in the past.
Michael says
I, too, am sure that there are Muslims who are good people. However … when you are raised from birth, on hate and deceit and suppression of all that is love, it is hard to ever truly overcome it. If you haven’t read Wafa Sultan’s ‘A God of Hate,’ you would find it eye opening in this regard, at least. She is very candid that it is something — decades of indoctrination — that you never really overcome. And she realizes who and what the enemy is. Quite a good book.
Oliver says
Iran makes heroes out of terrorists
Many of the people they hang are often guilty of one of two things
Being homosexual or quote an enemy of the state. Are these your right people?
Other offenses such as a teen wearing torn jeans are merely whippings
Although I admit I cannot see buying torm jeans
Michael says
Talking on the phone with your boyfriend can be reason to get shot on the spot. Of course, there is no ‘recourse.’ Whoever ‘the guards’ happen to be, have absolutely freedom to kill, beat, or imprison anyone.
Frank says
Grinded muslims makes good pig feed, especially the fat ones that ride our welfare system
Michael says
lol … a lone wolf! oh yeah, they all are. and maybe one day, ‘leaders’ will acknowledge that taqiyya is one of the tenets of Islam. But I’m not holding my breath. They would, Allah forbid, be offended … oh, the hurt feelings! the outrage!
Wafa Sultan, in her book ‘A God of Hate,’ said Muslims know one way of having a debate / conversation: scream, yell, argue. Talk calmly with them, and they see it as a weakness.
Force is all they know. And right now, the force is with THEM … They be lyin’ to us at every turn …. But for Allah’s sake, do NOT ‘investigate’ the mosque. Again, that is highly offensive. oh my allah!
SweetOlBob says
Slightly off topic question:
Do muslim women prepare food with only one hand ?
Think about it. ……………. FOOGIE !
Robert says
Robert Spencer is my hero.
gravenimage says
+1
Katnis says
A quote is the story says, “a true Muslim would never do this.”
So what type of Muslim would do this? A fake Muslim? A devout Muslim? A moderate Muslim? The answer is: it could be ANY Muslim. This is what Muslims do. Plain and simple.
ECAW says
It’s the “No true Muslim” fallacy.
John Hawk says
The most devoted Muslims on the planet belong to the Islamic State. Hence the name, of course.They wouldn’t visit the toilet without a fatwa from some bearded buffoon. So “true Muslims” such as this would never do such a thing? Is that really his point?
gravenimage says
So true, ECAW.
Oliver says
And on the news tonight I heard that CBS. (consistent bull shit) said he had dual citizenship. Britain and Israel.
Amazing. Sounding like make believe news. A step lower than fake news
marina says
“A true Muslim would never do this”.
Either this man is lying or he is one of those moderate useless Muslims who are clueless about MohamMAD’s teachings.
mortimer says
The Telegraph article is rather honest ending with the fallacy of ‘NO TRUE SCOTSMAN WOULD DO THAT!’
However, the fallacy works even worse less well with Islam which has a doctrine of terrorism and warfare against the disbelievers … merely because they are disbelievers.
zulu says
In 2000, I was living in Bethnal Green and worked in Leyton. Both areas of East London are full of fundamentalist Muslims.
RichardL says
He belongs to a mosque. Quite a revealing turn of phrase, methinks. That also means that mosques stand for a special brand of islam and that this mosque stands for jihad.
For all you guys in the States: look at the shops next door, go on Google and drive down the street. That is Britain and all major cities in Europe have quarters or streets like this.
The best case scenario is a civil war. The worst case is that it goes on like this.
David says
Whats the Muslim word for lie?
Phil Copson says
“Islam”
epistemology says
He seems to be inspired by IS not directed. It would be interesting to know who is behind the terrorists in Britain right now. It used to be the Finsbury mosque imam Abu Hamza called the Hook who radicalized the 20th hijacker of 9/11.
Anyway I saw Sadiq Khan the mayor of London on BBC. He appeared very defiant and insisted we won’t be cowed by terrorism. But no words of regret that this heinous crime was committed in the name of his religion Islam. Only the usual blabla. He was the one who banned criticism of Islam in London. He’s a disgrace for the city, a disgusting scumbag.
underbed cat says
Epistemology, you just described the standard procedures of muslim leadership in western countries, the mayor of London, as” he appeared very defiant and insisted we won’t be cowed by terrorism.” To the muslim citizens or refugees he is stating that we will not allow attacks on muslims, and the western non- muslims hear that he will protect non believers, westerners from islamic terrorism which is an actual command to strike terror into the hearts of the non believer. Any wonder why the first step to conquer countries is to silence information about what is written in the Quran and it’s meaning and that sharia law enforces what the imams teach. Sort of perpetual energy and a guide to slowly defeat suspicion that has a long time frame to infiltrate and subvert.
Terry says
The fathers/husbands and brothers are probably SOME of those, as well as the victims, who voted for the scum in office.
The elected officials did not get their without people voting for them in- and often, again and again.
Terry says
The Muslim mayor of London said something to the effect that (putting up with) terrorism is the price one pays to live in a city.
Donald Trump Jr. tweeted something like- this is weird–(politer, , better language) and the bashing began- of Mr. Trump.
But, as some years back, Newt Gingrich said, ” the first duty of a president ( actually- my view, any leader) IS TO PROTECT HIS ( OR HER) CITIZENS.
HE WAS CRITICIZED FOR SAYING SO.
AND REFERRED TO AS THE DUMB SON OF A DUMB PRESIDENT. (But he is co-running a multi-national billion dollar enterprise).
How someone who made over $150 million in one year LEGALLY is dumb, and a fortune of some (depending) $4 to 10 billion is dumb, i do not know.
Lawrence says
So the latest news is he was a convert! Birth name Adrian Elms. Not enough to ban Muslim immigration. We need to ban the religion from the West. Not going to happen of course. Any more than I am going to date Scarlett Johansson, simply because she is now a free agent again.
epistemology says
No need to ban religion, only ban the Islamic ideology which is the same as Nazism. Get rid of the scum!
dumbledoresarmy says
I don’t think he just randomly picked up a Quran – whether digital or ink-and-paper – and BAM! converted.
He was probably dawa-ised by a Muslim, and I don’t think it happened online, either.
My money is on a/ prison dawa OR b/ sex dawa – he married a Muslimah. *The* thing for journalists to find out is whether he converted before meeting said Muslimah, or after (though before the marriage). Because if an infidel male wants to marry a luscious muslimah, he *must* convert first. Muslimahs are not allowed to marry infidel males who stay infidel.
Had *Muslims* not been allowed into the UK, this creep would have remained a lowlife infidel criminal, and would still have been a menace; but a degree less menacing than he became after he joined the Allah Gang, or Mohammedan Mob. Your average infidel crim isn’t interested in ‘slaying and being slain’; he prefers to remain *alive* so as to enjoy his loot in the here-and-now. had this bloke never converted – and that means, had he never met dawa-ising mohammedans – he would not, I am sure of it, have barrelled along Westminster Bridge in a car going at 110 km an hour, knocking people over like ninepins, and then got himself shot after stabbing a cop at the gates of the Parliament.
He *might* have got killed resisting arrest whilst carrying out an armed robbery, or suchlike. But not the whole allahu-akbaring ‘martyrdom’ thing done with the aim of ritual murder and the glory of the Caliphate.
Just keep out – and chuck out – the Mohammedans and there’ll be a whole lot fewer new converts like thsi bloke, guaranteed.
No Muslims inside our gates would mean NO schoolyard dawa, NO campus dawa, NO ‘marriage’/ ‘sex’ dawa, and NO prison dawa.
gravenimage says
He was a criminal–likely converted in jail.
Baucent says
“One, Abdul Abdul, told the Telegraph: ‘We condemn this attack. A true Muslim would never do this. He’s not one of us, he’s not a representative of us’….
We hear this every time a muslim terrorist strikes. Never seen at the mosque, no body knows him, or “he was not a good muslim and took drugs”. The Left wing media laps it up, but I believe increasingly the silent majority of the public are getting jaded and cynical of these denials.
Crusades Were Right! says
Things to do now for “believers” in the Leyton area:
1. Issue taqiyya statements to gullible “kaffir” media about how the jihad attack has nothing to do with Islam
2. Daub swastikas, “Pakis Out”, etc, on your mosque and/or set it on fire
3. Contact media to disseminate taqiyya fairy stories about being intimidated/threatened/victimised by “white racists”
4. Organise demos/riots to protest your victimhood at the hands of the “kaffirs”
5. Wait for next jihad attack by one of your “community”, and repeat above
gravenimage says
Sounds about right…
Crusades Were Right! says
What would we say if we were told that REAL Nazis were decent human beings like Oskar Schindler, and only the FAKE Nazis went around enslaving and murdering?
Wouldn’t we take a look at the DOCTRINES of Nazism and then decide that it was the enslavers/murderers who were the real Nazis?
So what happens when we analyse the doctrines of Islam?
Crusades Were Right! says
I wonder if the feelings of intimidation that the Mohammedans of the UK will no doubt tell us all about very soon are actually pangs of conscience for subscribing to the same ideology as jihadi murderers?
Michael says
Crusades Were Right!, that would have to allow for them feeling guilty for killing infidels. Not possible. They feel guilty if they do not. There is no emotion in their ideology, except rage, and fear of not pleasing Allah, with the concomitant beheadings, rapes, stonings, being set on fire, and other pleasures that are administered at the behest of fellow Muslims should you not follow that Koran to the brutal, violent, murderous letter.
And we know that the feelings of ‘intimidation’ are simply taqiyya and tactics for gaining sympathy from those they intend to eventually kill.
Florida Jim says
Arafat lied, muslims lie, Mosques lie, Mosque members lie all because Taqiyya gives muslims the “right” to lie in defense of Islam. Christians say lying is a sin period.Muslims are never to be trusted when their religion prompts them to lie.
Peter says
Maybe the mosque’s real name is Al-Taqqiah.
davej says
Muslims lie so easily because their whole “religion” is a fraud and their holy book tells them to hate, lie and deceive others. If they told the truth they would be betraying allah and other Muslims would kill them for it. It’s a perfect circle of mendacity.
Sam says
The family members and the mosque attendees always get “shocked” when their “nice” muslim friend kills others for Islam. Islam is a shocking religion I guess.
gravenimage says
Neighbor says he knew London jihadi from mosque, mosque says they didn’t know him
………………….
I actually anticipated yesterday that his Mosque would say that they never saw him and that he didn’t know anyone there…
Not that one need be any sort of seer to have seen this one coming…