This is common sense. It is astounding that she was freed on bail in the first place, since she has already proven that she is a flight risk, having fled right after the jihad massacre and remained in hiding for months. That in itself suggests that she knows very well what is likely to happen once she is prosecuted.
“Orlando judge revokes bond for widow of Pulse nightclub shooter who will now stay in jail until her trial,” Associated Press, March 11, 2017:
A federal judge in Orlando on Friday revoked bond for the wife of the gunman responsible for the Pulse nightclub massacre, the worst mass shooting in modern US history.
US District Judge Paul Byron reversed the decision of a magistrate judge in Oakland, California, last week to release Noor Salman on $500,000 bond and ordered her jailed pending trial on charges of aiding and abetting and obstruction.
Acting upon a request from prosecutors, Byron said Salman hadn’t overcome a legal presumption that she was a flight risk or a danger to the community.
‘Upon consideration, this court finds that no condition or combination of conditions of pretrial release will reasonably assure the safety of the community or the reasonably assure the defendant’s appearance during the required court proceedings,’ the judge wrote.
Salman was never let go from jail while Byron considered the prosecutors’ request.
Her attorney, Charles Swift in Texas, said in a statement that she maintains her innocence.
‘We are currently exploring all available legal remedies on her behalf,’ Swift said. ‘Until all the facts come out in trial, we urge the community to withhold judgment.’
Salman moved to California to be with family after last June’s massacre at the gay Orlando nightclub, and she had her first court appearance there even though charges were filed in Orlando.
At the last of several Oakland hearings, US Magistrate Judge Donna Ryu said it was ‘debatable’ whether the government has enough evidence to convict Salman and ordered her released from jail until trial.
Salman has pleaded not guilty to charges of aiding and abetting, and obstruction of justice.
Prosecutors have said Salman accompanied her husband when he cased locations for potential terrorist attacks, knew ahead of time that he was planning the attack and misled FBI agents about what she knew about her husband’s plans.
Salman’s husband, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to the Islamic State during the attack at the Pulse nightclub last June 12….
Michael says
Common sense … which truly does make the judge’s decision astounding. We see little of that these days. This judge must have be yet on board with what is really going on here. Clearly — clearly! — he is Islamophobic!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
You may be right Michael. But I have another take; or at least an addendum to offer:
If this b_ _ _h was let out of jail, my money’s on her returning to her original state, Florida. Once she again takes up residence there, the Fla. judge owns her. Along with all the things she’s done/will do.
The lovely Ms. Salman has already demonstrated that she’s so deeply invested in her faith/hubby, that she’ll lose her own child (shades of the charming San Bernadino ‘parents’ who parked THEIR baby with a babysitter then left to go murder and get killed). So call me crazy: But I’m guessing this Fla. judge had, if not a ‘come-to-Jesus’ moment, then at the very least an oh-s_ _t-this-be-my-JOB-bro, moment of clarity.
Either way: Smart judge.
Michael says
Kathy B, we can only hope that at least a few are coming to their senses, that a few (and hopefully many more in time) realize the stakes in all of this.
As is clear, there is no reasoning with Islam. There are no values higher than sacrificing your life for whatever you might do that furthers the establishment of Sharia law everywhere. No life — your own, your spouse’s, neighbors, infants, friends — matters more. And any atrocity is justified in the quest for Sharia law everywhere. There is so compromise.
There is no co-existence. Co-existence only happens for the time being, until Muslims have the control to eliminate all who stand in the way. It is a bizarre aberration of the human species, devoid, it seems, of any morality, any respect for anything other than establishment of Sharia, and world domination. Not to be reasoned with, not to be ‘made to understand,’ not to be tempered. It is all or none. I read an article last week that dogs were now being laced with explosives. How a ‘religion’ has no respect for life, other than those lives that submit to Sharia, is so foreign to most, that it is truly incomprehensible, and most simply cannot acknowledge that this is Islam.
I know I’m not saying anything you don’t already know. It’s something that is impossible to believe for most. So the thinking is, at least it seems, ‘If we just treat them with kindness, they’ll see that there is a better way.’ Granted, there are a few who escape its hold, and have a ‘come to Jesus’ moment of their own, whether they come to Jesus or just come back to humanity.
As a fellow posted earlier today on one of the threads, Islam is the serpent. It will remain the serpent. It will not change for all the kindness in the world. Either we kill the serpent, or the serpent kills us. However it has come about, Islam is a serpent. It is not human. For lack of a better word, it is flat out creepy.
Ted says
After the bombing at the Boston marathon and seeing the devastation caused by these two Islamist so-called soldiers, seeing victims parents crying at the loss of their children or being disabled for life, this defender of these acts in Florida should be sent to prison and after serving her time send her to one of the countries where her husbands behavior is acceptable. Our Prime Minister in Canada is trying to push a bill through Parliament M103 where we could possibly go to prison for any dis-agreement about Islam for I was told 2 years. We must get rid of Trudeau. What is going on in Europe must never be allowed here.
A Harris USA says
Mike, no he is only afraid for his own ass. If this pig is let loose, and she joins up with another terrorist and another attack is let go on the Orlando area, the libs will be so upset they will vote his ass out of office.. Just protection for his own interests.. Remember, San Berdo, the wife was the right arm of the filthy terrorist group. Just saying…
Frank Anderson says
A, I am pretty sure the Orlando judge is federal with a lifetime appointment. The only way to remove him is impeachment. Just ask current Congressional Representative Alcee Hastings, former federal judge.
Terry says
Federal judges are NOT ELECTED- they are appointed by the President- with approval of the Senate.
It is a lifetime appointment, until/unless the judge decides to retire or is impeached.
I only know of TWO federal judges impeached in the last 30 or so years-one was in Washington DC ( for taking bribe money from drug dealers)- and, i think he resigned; the other was Alcee hastings (MIami, FL) who then went on- being found not guilty in a trial (Miami, Fl, around 1980 or 81- when there were fears of race riots if found guilty-I lived in Miami at the time); then impeached by the House of Reps., and ran for 9 and was elected and re-elected- might still be in Congress-in the House).
Might have been others, but those two come to mind.
Chuck Williams says
I think we need wisdom and compassion for the women entrapped in Islam.
If she repudiates Jihad the violent founding principle of Islamic active dominance – she could help our world.
It would mean she would be branded and blacklisted as an apostate by the orthodox muslims and run the risk of a death sentence by fatwa, but it could form some defense, if she is innocent.
He husband was some mean pathological human being who could have relegated her to subjugation and brought on the “Stockholm Syndrome” commonplace in the nihilistic world the Islamic female.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Every single muslim woman in the world is ‘entrapped in islam’ Chuck. Every single one. No one could possibly debate that.
But Chuck? Every single woman ‘entrapped in islam’ is hard at work, minimally, raising her children to hate Jews and hate America. Minimally? She’s already genitally mutilated her daughters. Maximally? She’s doing the minimal thang, but also raising her sons to become murderers of innocents by their 18th birthday, at which time they’ll kill themselves, upon which SHE passes go and collects a cool 25 thou or so for being the muslim version of Mom-Of-The-Year. Like this gem: https://youtu.be/5Vi9oNs42hs
So I’m sorry Chuck! I’m saving my ‘wisdom and compassion’ for women who HAVE left islam, who ARE ‘branded’ apostates and who, as we speak, are under a fatwa, which is the muslim version of Free Speech.
Michael says
Kathy, thanks for your comments on this, and the link to the video. Puts things in perspective, an accurate one.
Frank Anderson says
Kathy, I have no reason to disagree with your conclusions. There is some language from a case that begs the question why she has not been charged with conspiracy, which under federal law, is a separate crime:
“In order to be convicted of aiding and abetting, a defendant must associate himself with the venture, participate in it as something he wishes to bring about, and seek by this action to make it successful . . . .
It is well established that
[t]]he elements of a conspiracy . . . are: (1) an agreement between two or more persons, (2) an unlawful purpose, and (3) an overt act committed by one of the conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy . . . . The existence of the conspiracy can be proved by inference evidence . . . . Direct evidence of an agreement to join a criminal conspiracy is rare, so a defendant’s assent can be inferred from acts furthering the conspiracy’s purpose. The government is not required to prove that each alleged conspirator knew all the details of the conspiracy; it is enough to establish that a defendant knew the essentials of the conspiracy . . . that the defendant intended to join or associate himself with the objective of the conspiracy . . . even if he did not join it until after its inception, and even if he played only a minor role in the total scheme [pp. 1093-94].
United States v. Gary Greenough, 609 F. Supp 1090, 1094 (DC Ala. 1985), quoting United States v. Carter, 721 F.2d 1514, 1533 (11th Cir. 1984).
AG Sessions was US Attorney when this case was prosecuted. Also, you may wish to look at 18 USC Section 2, anyone who aids, abets, counsels or acts in furtherance of a federal crime is equally guilty; and 18 USC Section 4, Misprision of a felony, see, U.S. v. Perlstein, 126 F.2d 789 (3rd Cir. 1942), cert den 439 U.S. 1127 (1942). See also, U.S. v. Baez, 732 F.2d 780 (10th Cir. 1984).
She does not need to be let out. Forty nine (?) people are dead in body and how many are dead in spirit because of the crime she aided.
gravenimage says
Chuck, I’m afraid there are many Muslimahs who are just as vicious as their male counterparts.
Frank Anderson says
Honored GI, do you think considering the misery that they live under, death is better than life?
beaubear says
Chuck it’s a bleeding heart like yours that causes the enemy to do all they can to us, I know what
being abused is about. in my day, a cop couldn’t touch a man w/out a 3rd witness and that is in the
US, she could have gone to any police station when he was out and asked for help and safety. She was
in it with him and she should not be free to re marry another hater of the US> stop trying to befriend those who want to harm us.
Terry says
Chuck–quick question..AND NOT TRYING TO DEMEAN YOU.
Did you ever read (even in the lame stream media or online) about the shootings?
1. SHE DROVE HER HUSBAND TO THE NIGHTCLUB.
2. PRIOR, SHE HAD GONE WITH HIM ON SCOUTING EXPEDITIONS.
3. THEY SPOKE ON THE PHONE WHILE HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE IN THE CLUB.
4. SHE FLED- AND, TO SUE THE OLD VERNACULAR– WAS ON THE LAM.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO WAS TRAPPED BY HER HUSBAND?
OR A CONSPIRATOR?
TO ME, THE LATTER.
A Harris USA says
You are dreaming, Kathy Brown, she helped her husband get the weapon that killed those folks in a night club. She is as guilty as her husband who is a murdering piece of filth… End of story.
Angemon says
Good.
Guest says
Look we finally have a sensible law maker
Terry says
Her lawyer’s comments-are a (sick) joke. SHE DROVE HIM TO THE NIGHTCLUB. HE SPOKE TO HER WHILE HE WAS MURDERING PEOPLE.
SHE FLED.
WTF DIDN’T SHE DO? GO INSIDE WITH HIM?
Personally, i would have preferred that she fled- to Iraq or Syria- and stayed there- hopefully getting killed quickly; less expensive than a trial; appeals; and then keeping her in prison.
utis says
There is no way she could be ignorant of what was going on. She lived in the same house. Even if she wasn’t in the room listening to him, she would have overheard what he said; she would have to straighten up his weapons and bomb parts.
I assume especially a good muslim wife spends a lot of time eavesdropping on her spouse and his men friends because there’s nothing else to do. I think her lawyer has a great excuse by just arguing that she’s a muslim wife and therefore not an independent agent. Unfortunately, the lawyer would have to lay open the nasty parts of Islam, and that takes too much courage.
As an atheist, I can’t thank God, but I can thank the judge for not being like the idiot European jurists. America may have a hope in hell after all.
gravenimage says
Orlando judge revokes bond for widow of Pulse nightclub jihad mass murderer
……………………
**Good**. This evil b*tch was living right up the road from me.
Glad to see an Oakland judge overturned this. They aren’t all insane here in California.
Roderick MacUalraig says
It is refreshing.
Florida Jim says
Why would any Judge allow bail and freedom for a terrorist, only political correct nonsense.She is a threat to america as all muslims are who want The Caliphate, Sharia, Jihad, Taqiyya and beheading all enemies.
Freedom is incompatible with Islam and cannot exist together despite what lying muslims tell us using Taqiyya as a guideline.
Frank Anderson says
FJ, many judges in Europe would be happy to grant bail if the case even reached their court, because the police would be reluctant to arrest and charge the crime. And with UNarmed police, and an UNarmed public, it’s like “shooting fish in a barrel.” Granting bail allows the “accused” to escape the jurisdiction and therefore prevents a “violent confrontation” in the court and from the judges’ perspective elsewhere. The judges’ first priority is their own safety. To _____ with everyone else.
Frank Anderson says
FJ, many judges in Europe would be happy to grant bail if the case even reached their court, because the police would be reluctant to arrest and charge the crime. And with UNarmed police, and an UNarmed public, it’s like “shooting fish in a barrel.” Granting bail allows the “accused” to escape the jurisdiction and therefore prevents a “violent confrontation” in the court and from the judges’ perspective elsewhere. The EU judges’ first priority is their own safety. To _____ with everyone else.
Michael says
Frank, it’s why I’m hoping that America, as this all progresses, presents a bit more of a challenge to Islamists hoping to impose their Sharia law. The disarming of America has been on the agenda for liberals for a long time. I don’t think they’re anywhere near their goal.
I think there are millions of Americans who, when push comes to shove — and we’re getting there — will not go quietly into the night on this stuff. More and more eyes are being opened. As has been pointed out, there’s plenty of information on what Islam really is. And I hope more and more of us are educating ourselves, and spreading the word.
All that said, I’m surprised that, to date, when these terrorists go on the attack, we’ve not heard of anyone who has shot back. In a country with as many people who own weapons, where is at least one person who shoots back? I’m sure there are incidents that haven’t, and won’t, hit mainstream press.
For those of us who can carry, let’s carry. And be prepared.
Frank Anderson says
Michael, I certainly agree with you. I suggest considering membership, or even a super-life membership in an organization that supports the Second Amendment. The more members, the stronger the voice.
Elaine McMurren says
The shooter’s mother needs to be arrested and tried as well. She lived with the couple and we’re supposed to believe she knew nothing about the arsenal in the garage.
Bill Shackelford says
The more we learn the truth about Islam, the more astonishing it is to discover how willfully ignorant many people are; including many of my east-side Democrat friends. Having recently attended a planning session of the east side Democrat Party, I was surprised to meet so many people still scratching their heads about the election: How did he ever get elected? – How could a candidate with such a stellar resume as Hillary Clinton lose to such a charlatan? The answer is twofold; President Trump is not a charlatan (he exhibits the same sort of simple logic as President Reagan did – sometimes poorly expressed, but still based in rational thinking), and secondly, ISLAM! Donald Trump stood up to Islam – Senator Clinton and the Democrat Party embraced it. That is why Donald Trump now holds the title of “President” Trump.