Juan Thompson, stand up and take a bow. My latest in The Geller Report:
Hate crime is a booming business in America today: both Leftists and their Muslim allies are making as much of use of hate crimes as they possibly can in order to discredit President Trump and his supporters, as well as foes of jihad terror and Sharia oppression, as racist, redneck, violent yahoos who deserve no place in the public square. There’s just one problem: actual hate crimes against Leftists and Muslims are so thin on the ground that they have to be invented in order to keep this failing narrative alive. And this past week brought a veritable bumper crop of faked hate.
The biggest fake hate crime, of course, was that of Juan M. Thompson, a former reporter for Glenn Greenwald’s hard-Left publication The Intercept, who was arrested Friday for several bomb threats to Jewish Community Centers and other Jewish organizations – threats that the establishment propaganda media, of which Thompson was so recently a part, widely blamed on Trump supporters.
Not only is Thompson a Leftist journalist; he is also a Muslim, having announced his conversion to Islam on Twitter in November 2016. That gives the revelation that he was behind the threats to the Jewish organizations (even as he was decrying them on Twitter) even more of a frisson: not only is Thompson filled with the fanatical hatred that he professes to deplore among conservatives, and not only has he shown himself to be chillingly unscrupulous in his quest to defame and destroy his political foes, and not only does he illustrate the mendacity of Leftist journalists in general, but in the process of illustrating all this he also turns out to be a poster child for Leftist and Islamic Jew-hatred. Juan M. Thompson took matters farther than his former colleagues at The Intercept, but he and they share the same mindset, worldview, and goals.
Thompson was not alone. Montreal was abuzz last week over a bomb threat against Muslim students at Concordia University, sent from a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens of Canada. More of that “Islamophobia” that the Trudeau government is poised to condemn? Not quite. On Thursday, a Muslim named Hisham Saadi was charged, according to the CBC, with “carrying out a hoax regarding terrorist activity, uttering threats and mischief in connection with the Concordia University bomb threat Wednesday.” Saadi was apparently the only member of the Council of Conservative Citizens of Canada, and was not conservative at all. (The CBC didn’t say whether or not he was a Canadian citizen.)
Nonetheless, at least one of those Muslim students appeared determined to keep the hoax alive. Aouatif Zebiri, a member of Concordia’s Muslim Students’ Association (a Muslim Brotherhood organization) claimed that it had yet to be determined whether or not Saadi was actually a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens of Canada, and if that group had really sent the letter. The CBC reporter to which she spoke didn’t ask her about the numerous anti-Muslim hate crimes that have turned out to have been faked by Muslims.
Meanwhile, at the University of California at San Diego, students were horrified and outraged by posters that appeared on campus ordering the internment of Muslims. The posters read: “All Muslim persons, both alien and non-alien, will be evacuated from the above disignated [sic] area by 12:00 o’clock noon Wednesday, April 8, 2017. No Muslim person will be permitted to enter or leave the above discribed [sic] area after 8:00 a.m., Thursday, April 2, 2017, without obtaining special persmission [sic] from the Provost Marshal at the Civil Control Station…”
Oh, the Islamophobia! However, NBC San Diego reported that “the alleged creator of the flyers said they weren’t meant to be ‘anti-Muslim,’ but designed to ‘shock and anger people’ by using the Japanese internment as a cautionary tale. ‘The posters were meant to mimic the internment posters because I wanted to shock/anger people and to show them what could happen if they didn’t do anything to stop it. It was a warning presented as a possible future.’”
It worked: people were indeed shocked and angered, but not, at least from the looks of the NBC San Diego story, over the prospect of the internment of Muslims, but apparently over the fact that this fellow was so insensitive as to remind these snowflakes of a traumatic historical event.
In any case, the key point here is that absolutely no one in or around the Trump administration is proposing or contemplating proposing the internment of Muslims. These posters were just hysterical fearmongering designed to prevent the President from taking the legal and reasonable actions he actually has proposed in order to protect Americans from jihad violence.
Despite the high and increasing frequency of hate crimes that turn out to have been faked, however, the establishment media remains completely indifferent to this phenomenon. Of course, expecting the New York Times and CNN and the Washington Post to report on the full extent of fake hate crimes would be like expecting a drug dealer to expatiate on the evils of drug addiction. And so next week, there will be still more fake hate crimes.
miriamrove says
For weeks they tried to pin this down on white supremacists. But to their dismay it happened to be a Muslim. But no worries. Clinton News Network commonly known as CNN is going to white wash this, m
StacyGirl says
This happened in my city and the perp’s Muslim faith has never been mentioned.
ECAW says
No one in the counter jihad movement writes more elegantly and incisively than Robert Spencer do they?
Plus the sarcasm.
underbed cat says
Thanks for the information….interesting how the clever deceivers are always twisting the truth to demean islamophobes whose crimes usually only involve speaking truthfully about facts that are forbidden to be exposed due to sharia law. If the media could take the time to read the actual doctrine they could report more accurately.
DFD says
Some news to make quite a lot of JW participants happy, and respond with full agreement: A gentleman by name of Ulrich W. Sahm has proclaimed that the anti Semitism in Islam has been caused by the Nazis. Because of some Mufti or Mullah who lived in Berlin in the forties. And there he was infected by the Nazis with the virus of anti Semitism, from where he spread it among the Arabs and other Muslims. So, prior to that Mullah living in Berlin, there was no anti Semitism in Islam. Source: https://www.pi-news.net/2017/03/sahm-nazis-am-judenhass-des-islams-schuld/#more-557132
If that doesn’t fill you with joy, a little booster or top up: Here in the UK a gentleman by name of Shashi Tharoor demanded Theresa May or member of the Royal family should visit India and apologise for the empire. He actually wrote a book titled ‘Inglorious Empire: what the British did to India’. Yup, now comes the “guilt complex for Britain”.
Spoiling you, do I not?
On the other hand, you may find that you are sitting in the same boat. Soon to be a galley…
jayell says
“…a gentleman by name of Shashi Tharoor demanded Theresa May or member of the Royal family should visit India and apologise for the empire…..”
Yeah, right. So they can give us back the industrial base we gave them, including all their railway systems and road infrastructure and the automobile technology which included an entire Austin-Morris manufacturing facility (I think they call their Morris Oxfords ‘Hindustan Ambassador’, or something like that), a telecommunications and telephone manufacturing (‘India Telecom’ – originally British-based) industry, a nationwide textile manufacturing facility which replaced their oh-so-valuable cottage industries (bound to have made them a fortune in the global economy – not!), a multi-billion-pound global tea industry which we transfered to them from China, the cities we built/modernised/extended, plus of course a parliamentary democratic system which for we should have demanded charges for the rights of usage, likewise a legal system that they somehow didn’t manage to cobble together themselves, an education system that I believe they are still often using in more or less its original form (in some cases, even down to the school blazers and ties etc. etc.), plus a few nuggets of basic civilised decency that for some reason didn’t quite occur to them before the East India Company (NOT the British Government) arrived on the scene (e.g., not throwing your excess widows alive onto husbands’ funeral pyres).
It’s a shame, though, that we didn’t do a bit more about their sanitation, because it does seem rather incongruous that, in an age where they boast a space programme (using technology acquired one way or another from the Americans, Germans and British), they have only in recent years got round to reserving a proportion of their public streets in many urban/rural areas as open public conveniences for their citizens’ use. And it’s also rather a shame that we didn’t quite manage to bring about the permanent demise of their ‘caste’ system, otherwise known as ‘institutional racism’, or the propensity of their poorer orders to sell their daughters into lucrative (for someone) careers as ‘courtesans’ (sic) with the apparent blessing of the local police departments. That would indeed be a black mark against the British Raj – if we had started or ever condoned these practices – which we actively didn’t.
Well, I suppose it’s because we made such a mess of India (now oddly tipped to be developing into a superpower – all entirely by their own native genuius and unaided efforts, of course, apart from the slight matter of a few billions of Pounds sterling that they’ve had annually from the British Government (amongst others) over the past 70 years at least, which they say is peanuts but have never bothered to give back, not to mention all the contributions of the private Britsh and other charities for their poor, on top of the few other slight considerations referred to above) that there are now at least 1,000 times as many persons of Indian heritage living in the UK as there ever were British in India, and that quarter of all immigrants to Australia (essentially a UK-clone) are Indian. And New Zealand? And Canada? Very odd, that.
We Brits arer indeed a rotten lot. Shall we all go grovelling to this Shashi Tharoor person now?
DFD says
jayell says: “…Shall we all go grovelling to this Shashi Tharoor person now?”
Hi Pal,
You got it! That’s what we are supposed to do, and for the Germans it’s the same were Ulrich W. Sahm is concerned, with his book that the Germans are to blame for the anti-Semitism in the Muslim world. And be certain, most JW readers/posters will be or are delighted about that Ulrich W. Sahm character and his claims – ‘birds of a feather’ and all that jazz. Don’t think it’s going to take long for his dribble to be translated into English and posted on various anti-Jihad websites.
And that holds true for us here in Britain as well (I am Anglo-German {Hey! That makes me an Imperialist-Nazi! Wow, I never though of that….}). Let me put it this way by asking what we have left. Britain First, I don’t think I have to tell you about the witch hunt against them. Nick Griffin? Decades ago he made some silly remarks, or even held some racist/anti-Semitic views, long changed. But: “…never forget…” Unless of course it concerns mainstream politicians, or left wingers, who made a remark which was rather unfortunate, off-the-cuff etc.
I promise, with sadness, it’ll get worse. A lot worse. My views: For the time being let’s keep the ‘stiff upper’ and gather friends – and get ready.
Good luck to all of us.
PS: I just found out how brazen they actually are. They really take the p..s out of us. There was a thread here on JW about a guy called Sascha, the whole story was a phoney by the Black Block. And distributed by their media, in Germany. They now produced a video showing him, bright-red Mohican haircut, like a punk from the 70s/80s, and being chased by Nazis at a Nazi meeting – whilst he was supposed to be a Nazi convert to Islam. And of course, whilst Nazis are supposed to be in bed with the Muslims. I think the guys at Der Spiegel, TAZ etc. must have been rolling on the floor with laughter. Well, we can’t deny that they have some sort of humor…
gravenimage says
DFD wrote:
Some news to make quite a lot of JW participants happy, and respond with full agreement: A gentleman by name of Ulrich W. Sahm has proclaimed that the anti Semitism in Islam has been caused by the Nazis. Because of some Mufti or Mullah who lived in Berlin in the forties. And there he was infected by the Nazis with the virus of anti Semitism, from where he spread it among the Arabs and other Muslims. So, prior to that Mullah living in Berlin, there was no anti Semitism in Islam.
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This has, of course, been debunked by Robert Spencer here many times. The idea that most Jihad Watchers believe that Islam was not antisemitic prior to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spending time with Hitler is just not the case.
I know you referred to myself and others here as “F…g morons”, though, for noting that Nazism was also antisemtic. Certainly, the two creeds both hold those vile views–but no one here thinks that the Nazis are to blame for Muslim antisemitism, which predates the Nazis by 1300 years.
I replied–very respectfully–to you here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/germany-neo-nazi-converts-to-islam-plots-jihad-massacre-of-police-and-soldiers#comment-1626583
Noting that is not anti-German. I have never been one who considers modern-day Germans Nazis, and I have often noted–and condemned–the Leftist penchant for noting anyone who disagrees with them as “Nazis”.
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If that doesn’t fill you with joy, a little booster or top up: Here in the UK a gentleman by name of Shashi Tharoor demanded Theresa May or member of the Royal family should visit India and apologise for the empire. He actually wrote a book titled ‘Inglorious Empire: what the British did to India’. Yup, now comes the “guilt complex for Britain”.
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Few here believe that Britain needs to apologize for the Empire, and many of us here–including myself–have noted that Muslims try to use unearned guilt against the West. They do not, of course, ever apologize for their conquest and savagery over the centuries.
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Spoiling you, do I not?
On the other hand, you may find that you are sitting in the same boat. Soon to be a galley…
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Really, I’m not sure why you now consider Jihad Watch to be your enemy, and are gloating over our presumed immanent fall to Islam.
DFD says
For Graven,
May I ask you please, that if or when you decide to respond to my posts, that you respond to what I said, and respond to what others state when I quote these ‘others’. Such as ‘Ulrich W. Sahm’ or ‘Shashi Tharoor’.
If you actually read my posts, instead of glancing through these and picking bits ‘n pieces, you will find that I am in disagreement with these gentlemen.
You said: “…The idea that most Jihad Watchers believe that Islam was not antisemitic prior to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spending time with Hitler is just not the case….”
I know that and never said that. However, what I said is what is blatantly obvious, namely that many at JW wont miss a heartbeat when it comes to spewing hatred against Europeans, and Germans in particular. Quotes: “This is lost, they are lost, they are history, they are stupid, they deserve it, poetic justice… Bla bla, et cetera est.” Reality, reason and decency means nothing to these posters, and yes, I referred to such ‘contributors’ as F…g morons – no regrets. If you wish to slip into these shoes and think they fit you, that’s your perception. Definitely not what I said.
Further… “I know you referred to myself and others here as “F…g morons”, though, for noting that Nazism was also antisemtic. Certainly, the two creeds both hold those vile views…”
What on earth are you talking about? I never made such statement. Please, **read** my post in full – or refrain from these completely; whatever you like or prefer. As you wish. And if you chose to ignore this, but picking on bits and pieces out of context, go right ahead, your privilege.
And: “….but no one here thinks that the Nazis are to blame for Muslim antisemitism, which predates the Nazis by 1300 years…” Now I am really at a loss. A) I did not say that, B) that is what Ulrich W. Sahm said in his new book, I merely quoted. Noting though that many JW readers/participants will gladly agree with him. See above.
Continuing with: “…Few here believe that Britain needs to apologize for the Empire…” I never said that it should. I was quoting Shashi Tharoor, as you are aware since you pasted the above given statement. Personally, I don’t think we Brits (Anglo-German) should apologize for anything, neither the Germans, nor the Americans, nor the Mongols for Dschinghis Khan. Nor anybody else for that matter, we all have graveyards in our closets.
An apologizing spree would nail mankind completely, we wouldn’t have time for anything else. We’d be so busy apologizing, we’d probably starve to death since there is no time left for eating — Ohhh, those understatements of mine.
And yes, the guilt machine for Britain is in start-up mode, for the US it’s in preparation, I have already some of the propaganda pictures the Black Block has collected, and apparently intends to use for that purpose.
And finally, your kick into the belly. “…and are gloating over our presumed immanent fall to Islam.” ******WOW!****** Incredible. Clever, the sledge hammer statement at the end. “There you are! See how evil he (DFD) is? He is gloating over the fall of the west to Islam!” Phenomenal. Never knew that I was gloating over the fall to Islam, I really thought that I was **always** propagating the opposite view, and that I was calling for people to show, and practice, unity.
But then, who cares? If it works it works, no? There’s a lot more, but I really see no sense in this. Am I disappointed in reference to your statements and assumptions about me? No. I’ve seen a lot in life…
gravenimage says
DFD wrote:
For Graven,
May I ask you please, that if or when you decide to respond to my posts, that you respond to what I said, and respond to what others state when I quote these ‘others’. Such as ‘Ulrich W. Sahm’ or ‘Shashi Tharoor’.
If you actually read my posts, instead of glancing through these and picking bits ‘n pieces, you will find that I am in disagreement with these gentlemen.
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I am well aware that you do not agree with them, DFD–I just noted that you appear to believe that most Jihad Watchers are in agreement with them–and that such pronouncements make “JW participants happy”–I’m not sure why.
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You said: “…The idea that most Jihad Watchers believe that Islam was not antisemitic prior to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spending time with Hitler is just not the case….”
I know that and never said that. However, what I said is what is blatantly obvious, namely that many at JW wont miss a heartbeat when it comes to spewing hatred against Europeans, and Germans in particular. Quotes: “This is lost, they are lost, they are history, they are stupid, they deserve it, poetic justice… Bla bla, et cetera est.” Reality, reason and decency means nothing to these posters, and yes, I referred to such ‘contributors’ as F…g morons – no regrets. If you wish to slip into these shoes and think they fit you, that’s your perception. Definitely not what I said.
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No, I’ve never said this about Germans or other Europeans. If you are even glancingly familiar with my posting history, you should know that.
I have, in fact, often noted that all of us in the West are in the same boat.
As for the “F…g morons” comment, you used that in a reply to myself on the thread I linked to, so the idea that you were using the epithet to include myself is not a stretch.
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Further… “I know you referred to myself and others here as “F…g morons”, though, for noting that Nazism was also antisemtic. Certainly, the two creeds both hold those vile views…”
What on earth are you talking about? I never made such statement. Please, **read** my post in full – or refrain from these completely; whatever you like or prefer. As you wish. And if you chose to ignore this, but picking on bits and pieces out of context, go right ahead, your privilege.
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On that thread, you referred to those at Jihad Watch who criticized a Nazi who converted to Islam as “you Nazi shriekers”. If you were somehow referring to something else, I wish you would clarify.
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And: “….but no one here thinks that the Nazis are to blame for Muslim antisemitism, which predates the Nazis by 1300 years…” Now I am really at a loss. A) I did not say that, B) that is what Ulrich W. Sahm said in his new book, I merely quoted. Noting though that many JW readers/participants will gladly agree with him. See above.
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I never said you agreed with this, but that you appear to believe that those here at Jihad Watch agree with this–certainly, Robert Spencer does not agree with this, and has been quite explicit about this many times. I have noted many times myself that this is incorrect.
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Continuing with: “…Few here believe that Britain needs to apologize for the Empire…” I never said that it should. I was quoting Shashi Tharoor, as you are aware since you pasted the above given statement. Personally, I don’t think we Brits (Anglo-German) should apologize for anything, neither the Germans, nor the Americans, nor the Mongols for Dschinghis Khan. Nor anybody else for that matter, we all have graveyards in our closets.
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Again, I never said that you agreed with this, but that you appear to believe that Anti-Jihadists here agree with it–which few do.
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An apologizing spree would nail mankind completely, we wouldn’t have time for anything else. We’d be so busy apologizing, we’d probably starve to death since there is no time left for eating — Ohhh, those understatements of mine.
And yes, the guilt machine for Britain is in start-up mode, for the US it’s in preparation, I have already some of the propaganda pictures the Black Block has collected, and apparently intends to use for that purpose.
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Yes, this is very common in the West–including in Britain and the US.
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And finally, your kick into the belly. “…and are gloating over our presumed immanent fall to Islam.” ******WOW!****** Incredible. Clever, the sledge hammer statement at the end. “There you are! See how evil he (DFD) is? He is gloating over the fall of the west to Islam!” Phenomenal. Never knew that I was gloating over the fall to Islam, I really thought that I was **always** propagating the opposite view, and that I was calling for people to show, and practice, unity.
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I have never implied you are evil–in fact, I have always been very friendly with you. But you are clearly sneering at those here who you appear to believe agree with Sashi Tharoor, writing:
“Spoiling you, do I not?
On the other hand, you may find that you are sitting in the same boat. Soon to be a galley…”
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But then, who cares? If it works it works, no? There’s a lot more, but I really see no sense in this. Am I disappointed in reference to your statements and assumptions about me? No. I’ve seen a lot in life…
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Actually, I am quite saddened by your now appearing to believe that Jihad Watch is somehow your enemy. Nothing about this “works”–instead, I am at a loss as to why you seem to think that those here at Jihad Watch would be in agreement with Muslim apologists.
DFD says
Dear Graven,
would you mind please reading **everything** I said in the thread concerned?
You will find that I did not even remotely called JW “my enemy”, I don’t know what makes you think that. Neither did I refer to Spencer in a negative way. Nor did I call you a “F…moron”.
What I did say about JW however is this, that I unsubscribed on account of JW’s referencing of extremely left wing, outright Bolshevist even, “newspapers” from Europe. Let us take TAZ as an example, the one that placed the phoney Sascha story, in conjunction with Der Spiegel, which Robert swallowed and spread. TAZ itself just made more headlines, today in Freiewelt.net, see http://tinyurl.com/jok9o87 in here TAZ calls for barricade building at demos, actions to keep the police busy, etc. I didn’t bother to check with Augstein’s Spiegel, nor with Die Welt, Zeit or similar such – errr… rags. BTW, maybe you, or Robert for that matter, could perhaps take a look at TAZ itself, here’s the link:http://tinyurl.com/k7ra8 What will you find, the first women in space, Russian, is 80 today, with a picture show. A link to the “Camaraderie”, commie of course, advise for a little escalation… etc. Wonder if Jacob Augstein is a contributor.., Die Zeit, Le Monde, Die Welt, Le Figaro, and so on, and so forth, they express themselves just a bit more modest than the TAZ. Like The Guardian for instance. In Sweden Aftonbladet is by now known is Aftonløgner (evening liar), the list goes on and on.
Please forgive me, but for me that is not very encouraging. (**Inserting with my usual sarcasm**: Wont take much longer and the new versions of Isvestija and Pravda will be provide more accurate, truthful and reliable news then the western European media – sad as that is.)
Referring now to your statement that I called you a “F…moron”. I definitely did not. First about you, then the ones I graced with that title.
About you, I am fully aware of your line of thinking, and how frequent you rise to the defense of decency, of moderation. You once, I forgot when as well as the occasion, defended me, you said, and I quote: “… not a civilized man like DFD.” I don’t think I ever thanked you for that, well, never too late! So, I do so now 🙂 …
Now to those I called, and continue to do so, F…morons: That refers to those who at every opportunity scream and screech: “Nazi, Nazi!” What those little “%^$%”£ BLEEP” mean however is this: “German, German!”
So why do I call such people a bunch of F…morons? The Black Block, that incorporates Frankfurters, their 68er offspring (march through the institutions) and Antifa are actually more Anti-Semitic then a few/ a number / many on the ultra right! Intensely more so. Modern day, organized Anti-Semitism is actually Marxist originated. Do have a look at these: tinyurl.com/hwl4x7u do they look democratic to you? Those bosom chums of Mohamed. Have you seen them at the anti-Trump demos? Give it some thought. Incidentally, they refer to themselves as ‘The Black Block’, not just their get-up, includes their flags. Take a look at anti Vietnam demos from the late 60s, do you recognize them?
Moreover, remember Tsun and his teachings about defining and describing the enemy accurately, otherwise you have no chance. Remember that? I’ll give you a scenario to illustrate: Assume a confrontation, Antifa and the Muslims on one side, we anti-jihadists on the other. Somebody screams “Nazi, Nazi!” and the anti-jihadists slaughter each other. The Black Block watches first in disbelieve, then with laughter, cheering us on! The bones of Tsun are spinning in his grave, rattling, whilst his voice comes through the earth: “What are those **morons** doing?!”
Do you understand what I am saying, please try to. Please, try.
About the ultra right, Nazis and others. Some of them are wisening up and dump the racism bit. Still requires work, and a lot of it. Whenever I see some of them in pub, frequently happens, tourist hot spot, I try to start a conversation. And they listen, my card is the elder, knowledgeable gentleman, on top of that I am bald and bold, plus Anglo-German. Takes a while to build up the arguments and to let them sink in, I know I got through when they are nodding slightly and often, and then it’s time to back off and to say good bye.
In case it interests you, instead of roundly condemnation of them as true anti-jihadists do {oh brother…}, here’s the road of arguments: I begin with Breivik, their modern hero. Acknowledge his will to self sacrifice, that he used his own funds to operate and picked the enemy with precision. Plenty of nodding, often gets me a beer… Then I point out that Breivik condemned Hitler and the Nazis for not liberating the Christians in the ME whilst they had the power to do so. Dear lady, I can see brain cells working! I admit, I do enjoy this bit with hidden glee, can anyone blame me? Then I play the German card, I condemn Hitler and the Nazis for their idiocy of losing the war. They blocked advanced technology until it was too late, and that Austrian jackass corporal constantly interfered with the generals and made a mess of things. Regardless if it was timing, logistics or strategy, he was always wrong. At that point some of them are really looking depressed, and I often buy a round – also to avoid hostility, I have to admit. Back to Breivik, one of their heroes. Lead from there to the persecution of Christians, and pointing out that these are the only allies we have. From various angles, pointing out their bravery to resist, for 1,400 years. That they accept torture and slaughter to surrender. That is a wow-factor that gets through to them, they admire loyalty – more than name calling! Massively, the issue of race is thus practically negated, or on its way thereto; much better than name calling and finger pointing, though, not as self righteous. They are not stupid, most of them know and by reason accept that racism is crap. Then I leave, I planted the seed.
What do you think how helpful that idiotic “Nazi, Nazi!” shrieking is? **I CANNOT SEND ANYONE OF THEM TO AN ANTI JIHAD WEBSITE!** Totally impossible! Because these are practically overrun with bloody, God-damn F…morons who believe they are smart or righteous when they scream “Nazi, Nazi!” God damn it! I do that even with the occasional Hells Angel coming up here. “Are there any websites?” – “No, not really, mostly a bunch of irrelevant dreamers and morons, be-sodded by wishful thinking.” What else can I tell them? Hmh! What can I tell them? Shall I tell them: “Go there, and you will receive hysterical hatred and insults, more than the enemy gets.” Marvellous, brilliant.
That propagated notion of a traditional affinity between Nazis and Muslims? Like penguins on the Amazonas, only the ones which escaped from a zoo. Affinity between them and Muslims? Graven, have a look at the affinity between DeGaulle and them, plus the affinity of Churchill and them. They brought in millions, well after the war! DeGaulle even gave French citizenship to all Algeria… And let’s not forget the other country, what’s it called? They founded with their Muslim pals a company called Aramco, long before nasty Adolf. What are the called? Oh yes, Americans. Please don’t throw that affinity bit around. It fits the other way round a lot better. That implies affinity between democracies and Islam, oh dear….
As far as Robert Spencer is concerned. He does a highly commendable job as far as raising awareness is concerned. Also, at JW he maintains **FREE SPEECH**, whilst several other sides are beginning to curtail that. And I hasten to admit, free speech includes the morons, by definition. No problem with that, on the contrary. But of course, I realize now that I shouldn’t insult them, but accept their insults – but I don’t! Having digressed, his use of Black Block publications, referring to these as “conservative” and spreading their ”news”… OK, his website. I have as a personal protest cancelled my subscription. Still frequent his website though – 🙂 It’s still one of the best, though, his European news…
Be that as it may, if you could be troubled to read **all** I said the original “Sascha” thread, you will find that I did not state that I consider JW my personal enemy, nor Robert Spencer.
That is your statement, not mine.
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Your other statement about me expressing glee over a supposed fall of the west, I have no explanation why you say that. Yes, it disappoints me, but one learns…
gravenimage says
DFD wrote:
Dear Graven,
would you mind please reading **everything** I said in the thread concerned?
You will find that I did not even remotely called JW “my enemy”, I don’t know what makes you think that. Neither did I refer to Spencer in a negative way. Nor did I call you a “F…moron”.
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OK, DFD.
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What I did say about JW however is this, that I unsubscribed on account of JW’s referencing of extremely left wing, outright Bolshevist even, “newspapers” from Europe. Let us take TAZ as an example, the one that placed the phoney Sascha story, in conjunction with Der Spiegel, which Robert swallowed and spread…
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Most of these papers do indeed have appalling editorial polices, and often practice omission, such as leaving out references to criminals being Muslim–but I have never known them to make up stories out of whole cloth.
If you have reason to believe that Der Spiegel does this, do you have reference?
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TAZ itself just made more headlines, today in Freiewelt.net, see http://tinyurl.com/jok9o87 in here TAZ calls for barricade building at demos, actions to keep the police busy, etc. I didn’t bother to check with Augstein’s Spiegel, nor with Die Welt, Zeit or similar such – errr… rags. BTW, maybe you, or Robert for that matter, could perhaps take a look at TAZ itself, here’s the link:http://tinyurl.com/k7ra8 What will you find, the first women in space, Russian, is 80 today, with a picture show. A link to the “Camaraderie”, commie of course, advise for a little escalation… etc. Wonder if Jacob Augstein is a contributor.., Die Zeit, Le Monde, Die Welt, Le Figaro, and so on, and so forth, they express themselves just a bit more modest than the TAZ. Like The Guardian for instance. In Sweden Aftonbladet is by now known is Aftonløgner (evening liar), the list goes on and on.
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If Robert Spencer were to avoid every paper with a leftist editorial policy, he probably would not be able to report a great many stories–especially from Europe.
Note that he often mentions if there is omission or whitewash in the stories.
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Please forgive me, but for me that is not very encouraging. (**Inserting with my usual sarcasm**: Wont take much longer and the new versions of Isvestija and Pravda will be provide more accurate, truthful and reliable news then the western European media – sad as that is.)
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Stories from RT are sometimes cited here, as well, with the same caveats. I get your point, though.
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Referring now to your statement that I called you a “F…moron”. I definitely did not. First about you, then the ones I graced with that title.
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About you, I am fully aware of your line of thinking, and how frequent you rise to the defense of decency, of moderation. You once, I forgot when as well as the occasion, defended me, you said, and I quote: “… not a civilized man like DFD.” I don’t think I ever thanked you for that, well, never too late! So, I do so now ? …
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Thank you, DFD.
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Now to those I called, and continue to do so, F…morons: That refers to those who at every opportunity scream and screech: “Nazi, Nazi!” What those little “%^$%”£ BLEEP” mean however is this: “German, German!”
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There is no doubt that there are a few who do do this, and I have always criticized this. I have never referred to modern Germans as “Nazis”, and have always called out those who do.
But the idea that everyone critical of Nazis is actually just bashing Germans is not correct, though–some are genuinely condemning Fascism itself. That is what I do.
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So why do I call such people a bunch of F…morons? The Black Block, that incorporates Frankfurters, their 68er offspring (march through the institutions) and Antifa are actually more Anti-Semitic then a few/ a number / many on the ultra right! Intensely more so.
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This is true. Of course, you also find antisemitism among the handful of neo-Nazis around such as Stormfront and, of course, it is rife among Muslims.
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Modern day, organized Anti-Semitism is actually Marxist originated. Do have a look at these: tinyurl.com/hwl4x7u do they look democratic to you? Those bosom chums of Mohamed. Have you seen them at the anti-Trump demos? Give it some thought.
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DFD, I have never defended creeps like Antifa here–and I have noted that Robert Spencer does not, either:
“Spencer versus Antifa in Stuttgart”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/spencer-versus-antifa-in-stuttgart-better-video
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Incidentally, they refer to themselves as ‘The Black Block’, not just their get-up, includes their flags. Take a look at anti Vietnam demos from the late 60s, do you recognize them?
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Living in Oakland and right next to Berkeley, I am all too familiar with the Black Bloc, and have often condemned their barbarism here.
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Moreover, remember Tsun and his teachings about defining and describing the enemy accurately, otherwise you have no chance. Remember that? I’ll give you a scenario to illustrate: Assume a confrontation, Antifa and the Muslims on one side, we anti-jihadists on the other. Somebody screams “Nazi, Nazi!” and the anti-jihadists slaughter each other. The Black Block watches first in disbelieve, then with laughter, cheering us on! The bones of Tsun are spinning in his grave, rattling, whilst his voice comes through the earth: “What are those **morons** doing?!”
Do you understand what I am saying, please try to. Please, try.
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There are sometimes disagreements, misunderstandings, and fallings out–but I have never seen Anti-Jihadists slaughtering each other. Over all, we are a pretty civilized bunch.
Of course, Anti-Jihadists should not take these smears to heart–any more than when we are falsely called “racist” for opposing Muslim savagery.
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About the ultra right, Nazis and others. Some of them are wisening up and dump the racism bit. Still requires work, and a lot of it. Whenever I see some of them in pub, frequently happens, tourist hot spot, I try to start a conversation. And they listen, my card is the elder, knowledgeable gentleman, on top of that I am bald and bold, plus Anglo-German. Takes a while to build up the arguments and to let them sink in, I know I got through when they are nodding slightly and often, and then it’s time to back off and to say good bye.
In case it interests you, instead of roundly condemnation of them as true anti-jihadists do {oh brother…}, here’s the road of arguments: I begin with Breivik, their modern hero. Acknowledge his will to self sacrifice, that he used his own funds to operate and picked the enemy with precision. Plenty of nodding, often gets me a beer… Then I point out that Breivik condemned Hitler and the Nazis for not liberating the Christians in the ME whilst they had the power to do so. Dear lady, I can see brain cells working! I admit, I do enjoy this bit with hidden glee, can anyone blame me?
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With respect, this is where I disagree with you. Anders Brievik murdered children and other Norwegians, and he said that he admired Al Qaida and would ally with Jihadists against his fellow Europeans. I have trouble with the idea of attempting to ally with anyone who holds such abhorrent beliefs.
Robert Spencer and other Anti-Jihadists like Pamela Geller condemn the appalling Breivik, as well.
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Then I play the German card, I condemn Hitler and the Nazis for their idiocy of losing the war. They blocked advanced technology until it was too late, and that Austrian jackass corporal constantly interfered with the generals and made a mess of things. Regardless if it was timing, logistics or strategy, he was always wrong. At that point some of them are really looking depressed, and I often buy a round – also to avoid hostility, I have to admit.
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DFD, I have to admit I have many more issues with Hitler than his losing the war. If he had won, it would have been rather a disaster for any surviving Jews and for anyone with any concerns about freedom.
My mother and aunt–who is still alive at 98–enlisted in the British army to fight the Nazis. They survived the London Blitz. I would have joined them had I been around at the time.
I have to admit that I hate Fascists–*real* Fascists, not those falsely accused of fascism–for pretty much the same reasons that I hate Islam and consider it a threat. I hate oppression, brutality, and the crushing of freedom.
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Back to Breivik, one of their heroes. Lead from there to the persecution of Christians, and pointing out that these are the only allies we have. From various angles, pointing out their bravery to resist, for 1,400 years. That they accept torture and slaughter to surrender. That is a wow-factor that gets through to them, they admire loyalty – more than name calling!
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I don’t believe that Breivik was a protector of Christians–nor was Hitler, who persecuted Christians himself. He described Christianity as “weak and flabby”, and instead admired Islam as a martial creed.
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Massively, the issue of race is thus practically negated, or on its way thereto; much better than name calling and finger pointing, though, not as self righteous. They are not stupid, most of them know and by reason accept that racism is crap. Then I leave, I planted the seed.
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If you check out sites like Stormfront, I assure you racism is *not* at thing of the past there. You find articles like, “Proof of Negro Inferiority” and “The Aryans, or Nobles”. Lots of Jew hatred there, as well.
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What do you think how helpful that idiotic “Nazi, Nazi!” shrieking is? **I CANNOT SEND ANYONE OF THEM TO AN ANTI JIHAD WEBSITE!** Totally impossible! Because these are practically overrun with bloody, God-damn F…morons who believe they are smart or righteous when they scream “Nazi, Nazi!” God damn it! I do that even with the occasional Hells Angel coming up here. “Are there any websites?” – “No, not really, mostly a bunch of irrelevant dreamers and morons, be-sodded by wishful thinking.” What else can I tell them? Hmh! What can I tell them? Shall I tell them: “Go there, and you will receive hysterical hatred and insults, more than the enemy gets.” Marvellous, brilliant.
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With all respect, DFD, the idea that Anti-Jihadists should avoid condemning Fascism because they might offend some Nazis who might drop by Jihad Watch, I consider this rather questionable.
Note that you have affirmed that these are *actual* self-proclaimed neo-Nazis, and not some people unfairly smeared as Nazis.
In that case, shouldn’t we avoid criticizing Islam, lest some Jihadists drop by and find it offensive?
I’m sorry you are embarrassed by Anti-Jihadists and feel compelled to dismiss them as “morons”.
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That propagated notion of a traditional affinity between Nazis and Muslims? Like penguins on the Amazonas, only the ones which escaped from a zoo.
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I’m afraid this is not the case, DFD. Hitler himself said that he admired Islam, and today many Muslims–who *hate* Infidels–nonetheless admire Hitler and gleefully cite the Holocaust. Mein Kampf is a bestseller Here is just one such story:
“Muslim ‘human rights activist’: Hitler ‘great man’ who ‘exposed truth about Jews’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/muslim-human-rights-activist-hitler-great-man-who-exposed-truth-about-jews
Moreover, Fascism and Islam share many goals, including violently silencing critics, the crushing of freedom, and genocide of the Jews.
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Affinity between them and Muslims? Graven, have a look at the affinity between DeGaulle and them, plus the affinity of Churchill and them. They brought in millions, well after the war! DeGaulle even gave French citizenship to all Algeria… And let’s not forget the other country, what’s it called? They founded with their Muslim pals a company called Aramco, long before nasty Adolf. What are the called? Oh yes, Americans. Please don’t throw that affinity bit around. It fits the other way round a lot better. That implies affinity between democracies and Islam, oh dear….
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Winston Churchill was consistently critical of Islam. He said, “no stronger retrograde force exists in the world” and noted that it “is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia [rabies] in a dog.” That does not sound like an “affinity” to me. And there are many other similar quotes by him.
As for Aramco, this was an effort to access oil in the Middle East, at a time when demand for oil was outstripping reserves available in America under the technology of the time. I don’t believe there is any reason to consider this an affinity on the part of Americans with Islam.
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As far as Robert Spencer is concerned. He does a highly commendable job as far as raising awareness is concerned. Also, at JW he maintains **FREE SPEECH**, whilst several other sides are beginning to curtail that. And I hasten to admit, free speech includes the morons, by definition. No problem with that, on the contrary. But of course, I realize now that I shouldn’t insult them, but accept their insults – but I don’t!
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No one says you should accept insults. You have been able to reply to other poster’s comments here.
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Having digressed, his use of Black Block publications, referring to these as “conservative” and spreading their ”news”… OK, his website. I have as a personal protest cancelled my subscription. Still frequent his website though – ? It’s still one of the best, though, his European news…
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I have never heard Robert Spencer refer to publications like Der Spiegle as conservative–his using them as news sources is *not* necessarily indicative of an approval of their editorial slant. In fact, he has quite specifically been critical of some of the papers he cites, such as The Telegraph. If you check the archives, you will see this is the case.
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Be that as it may, if you could be troubled to read **all** I said the original “Sascha” thread, you will find that I did not state that I consider JW my personal enemy, nor Robert Spencer.
That is your statement, not mine.
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You might not use this specific phrasing, but you appear to be disturbed by Jihad Watch’s criticism of Fascism.
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Your other statement about me expressing glee over a supposed fall of the west, I have no explanation why you say that. Yes, it disappoints me, but one learns…
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On rereading your post, above, it seems that your writing, “Spoiling you, do I not?
On the other hand, you may find that you are sitting in the same boat. Soon to be a galley…” that you were gloating over the idea of those you were referring to being characterized as Nazis, and not their being in the same boat because they were also threatened by Islam. So, I think I did misread this. My apologies.
I am afraid, though, that I do not agree with your assessment of Nazism historically, nor their being allies against Jihad today.
In any case, I very much appreciate your lengthy and considered reply to me, DFD.
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Graven, Graven, Graven,
Your responses sound as if I am a defender of Nazism, and similar.
Let me put it this. We, and I don’t mean keyboard warriors, but real, physical people, are trying to win over those who are **not with us** and who are **undecided**.
There are three such groups, 1) just the ordinary folks, 2) Christians who ‘sheepishly’ accept the drible from the current Cardinals, Bishops. Etc. {Yes, many are disgusted by this, but there’s no need to win them over}, 3) Those who are attracted by Nazism, and unfortunately, their number grows, rapidly.
This third group is very, very difficult. And, believe me, extremely difficult to handle. Approaching them is no problem, but refuting… I assure you, I, and many others, experienced plenty of situations where I/we thought: “Oh, oh, that can end in black eyes and swollen lips”.
Believe me, your approach of simple, general condemnation and rejection, it wont get any results with **any** of the three target groups. What it will do is driving them deeper into entrenchment. The wrong kind of entrenchment. If you went to get through to an opposing party, and win them over to your side, diplomacy is very important. And it takes a lot more than just half an hour or an hour of conversation/discussion. One also has to make concessions, even if one doesn’t like it. Incidentally, their weak spot is racism…
First of all, you have to understand their views. Yes, they do have views, some of which are reasonable, some of which are definitely not. But simply telling them that they are all wrong and that they are evil, all that brings is an increase in hostility. If you think that condemning people like me is right, nothing I can do or say – except that the outside world looks rather different than a pen society (sorry for the 19th century term) with keyboards.
As far as Aramco and oil is concerned, you stated the connection, oil and money. Or let me put it this way: (Oil + money) = Political Power. If in doubt, talk to Linnte about Aramco…
Churchill quoting? Let me direct you to: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/turkey-defies-usuk-coalition-against-the-islamic-state-attacks-the-yazidis-instead/comment-page-1#comment-1628322
That’s part 2 of a discussion, or perhaps monologue to or with an interested party, Mac-101 that is. Scrolling up is part 1, and further down is part 3, subdivided into sections a&b. Also deals with that well known Churchill, quote – plus another one, not so well known.
Graven, I think I know you. And many, if not most, of our views are either congruent or close with mine. So please, don’t judge.
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DFD wrote:
Graven, Graven, Graven,
Your responses sound as if I am a defender of Nazism, and similar.
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I hope you are not, DFD–but I have to admit that your comments here do rather come off that way.
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Let me put it this. We, and I don’t mean keyboard warriors, but real, physical people, are trying to win over those who are **not with us** and who are **undecided**.
There are three such groups, 1) just the ordinary folks, 2) Christians who ‘sheepishly’ accept the drible from the current Cardinals, Bishops. Etc. {Yes, many are disgusted by this, but there’s no need to win them over}, 3) Those who are attracted by Nazism, and unfortunately, their number grows, rapidly.
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Not here in America, DFD. The largest Neo-Nazi group, the National Socialist Movement, has just around 400 members–out of a population of about 319 million. That makes Neo-Nazis here just a little over one in a million–a phrase that is, in fact, a watchword for rarity.
Their last big ‘show of force’, a march and rally in Washington, DC in 2008, drew a grand total of 30 people–and this included children.
The movement here–always small–probably reached its peak with the “skinheads” in the 1980s.
I’m not sure the numbers in Britain are much higher. I know that National Action, a Neo-Nazi youth organization in England, has an estimated membership of between 60-100. From what I have seen, membership in various Neo-Nazi organizations is not more than a couple of thousand, tops.
Of course, I realize that by its very nature that many Neo-Nazis are unlikely to join groups–still, these numbers are so miniscule that it is hard to believe that this accounts for huge numbers.
And a small point–many here at Jihad Watch do indeed act out in the world, and not just post here at JW.
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This third group is very, very difficult. And, believe me, extremely difficult to handle. Approaching them is no problem, but refuting… I assure you, I, and many others, experienced plenty of situations where I/we thought: “Oh, oh, that can end in black eyes and swollen lips”.
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I don’t want to see you beaten up, DFD–I’m just not sure why you consider courting these thugs so important.
I want to see mainstream society recognize the Jihad threat and for us to start consistently enforce our laws–I have very little interest in seeing Muslim / Nazi brawls in our streets, if this is what you are suggesting.
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Believe me, your approach of simple, general condemnation and rejection, it wont get any results with **any** of the three target groups.
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DFD, I have *never* condemned ordinary people, nor well-meaning but clueless Christians (I’m not sure I consider these discretely separate groups, in any case).
I live here in the bluest-of-blue states, in the San Francisco Bay Area. Most of my neighbors are lovely and friendly people, but utterly in denial about the threat of Islam. I do what I can to gently educate–almost all of them mean well, and I do not condemn them out of hand at all.
The only way in which I change my approach when dealing with them is to focus more on easy to understand issues, like violent rather than stealth Jihad. Apart from that, my approach is not that different from dealing with committed Anti-Jihadists here.
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One also has to make concessions, even if one doesn’t like it. Incidentally, their weak spot is racism…
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Of course–racism is a key article of Fascism.
I don’t believe that it is ethical to “make concessions” to Fascist thugs, and cannot imagine what we would gain from such moral compromise.
I do agree that it is sometimes necessary to ally with those you have significant differences with when you share a discreet goal–but given both the small numbers of Neo-Nazis, their history of admiring Islam, and their own appalling beliefs, I cannot imagine how this would benefit us–or the fight for freedom.
I could not disagree more with the idea that Jihad Watch should be careful not to upset any Neo-Nazis who drop by here. That would entail ceasing to condemn attacks on Jews and black people, and not mentioning freedom of speech and other deeply held values.
I don’t see how that would help the fight against Jihad at all.
For myself, I don’t just oppose Islam without reason–I oppose it because it destroys all of our civilized values, which I consider well worth defending.
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First of all, you have to understand their views. Yes, they do have views, some of which are reasonable, some of which are definitely not. But simply telling them that they are all wrong and that they are evil, all that brings is an increase in hostility.
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Of course Neo-Nazis have views–I have never said they do not. I just don’t agree with their views.
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If you think that condemning people like me is right, nothing I can do or say – except that the outside world looks rather different than a pen society (sorry for the 19th century term) with keyboards.
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I haven’t condemned you–I think you are mistaken in thinking that our focus should be on not offending Fascists, though.
And, respectfully, the idea that seeking out Fascist thugs is somehow more ‘realistic’ than seeking to get our authorities to enforce our laws is not something that I agree with at all. We have a civilized society here–the most civilized in history, in fact. All we have to do is recognize the threat to it, and defend it lawfully.
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As far as Aramco and oil is concerned, you stated the connection, oil and money. Or let me put it this way: (Oil + money) = Political Power. If in doubt, talk to Linnte about Aramco…
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As for Aramco, I don’t agree that Americans intended to defraud Arabs, but were just too stupid to do so. There have certainly been exceptions, but in general the Western approach to business is mutually beneficial agreements.
Of course, Islam is very different.
By the way, re you post on the other thread, I am afraid I disagree with you over Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Ayatullah Khomeini, and Yassir Arafat representing “everything good and noble”–they were all mass murderers, and destroyers of freedom. I might have a few quibbles with Mother Theresa’s methods, but I *in no way* would compare this compassionate woman with the bloody tyrants above. I not only consider them evil, I consider them, along with Mao and Pol Pot, to be the *epitome* of evil.
George Washington and Adolf Hitler may have both been dedicated to their causes, but I consider the moral aspects of causes to be of supreme importance. If I did not, then I would admire Al Baghdadi and Jihadi suicide bombers.
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Churchill quoting? Let me direct you to: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/turkey-defies-usuk-coalition-against-the-islamic-state-attacks-the-yazidis-instead/comment-page-1#comment-1628322
That’s part 2 of a discussion, or perhaps monologue to or with an interested party, Mac-101 that is. Scrolling up is part 1, and further down is part 3, subdivided into sections a&b. Also deals with that well known Churchill, quote – plus another one, not so well known.
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I am familiar with that first quote, and have cited it myself. Churchill said that individual Muslims might have excellent qualities, but that Islam itself was thoroughly vicious. I have to admit, I don’t see how this is contradictory.
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Graven, I think I know you. And many, if not most, of our views are either congruent or close with mine. So please, don’t judge.
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I certainly agree with you that Islam is a threat and must be fought.
I do not agree that it is necessary, moral, or wise to attempt to do that by embracing thugs whose views and aims are not all that different from the Muslim savages we are facing.
I think I will leave this exchange here. I do appreciate your replies, and hope you are well.
jayell says
I’m sure that all this ‘hate crime’ business was invented with the best of motives, but it’s now been so regularly abused by the self-righteous, entitlement-obsessed, pseudo-liberal-closet-totalitarian-supremacist whingeing classes that is is now a serious threat to freedom of speech, and therefore democracy. Scrap the whole lot of it, and if our sensitive little acid snowflakes don’t like some of things that are said about them, hard cheese.
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It’s always been an extra constitutional violation of the equal protection clause that presupposes the motives of any perpetrator who’s is a member of a majority group.
somehistory says
Their deceit, their arrogance, their evil all show in the eyes. They can lie, but they can’t hide their lies, nor can they hide their evil and hatred for all things good and virtuous.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer: It Has Been A Big Week for Fake Hate
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Yes–and I don’t see this stopping any time soon. Why would it? The report of the “hate crime” usually gets wide coverage; the news that is it fake is usually not reported widely, and tends to be buried when it is reported.
Matthieu Baudin says
“…These posters [and other stunts are] just hysterical fear-mongering designed to prevent the President from taking the legal and reasonable actions he actually has proposed in order to protect Americans from jihad violence…”
Exactly so.
Cretius says
Sharia Law does not allow for accommodation with non-believers. Mohammedans are using the false flags of racism and Islamophobia to curtail free speech as it pertains to the ideas and history of Islam. These charges are inline with the use of lies and deceit to protect Mohammedans and to further the goals of Islam as condoned by the Koran.
Islam is not a race. Islam is ideas. Ideas have no rights. People have rights. Free speech is a cornerstone of freedom and democracy, both of which are incompatible with Islamic teachings.
JawsV says
On the Juan Thompson story, it’s never reported on the news that he’s a Muslim. This is exactly why people do not trust the left-wing news establishment. He’s a Muslim? OK, it all makes sense now why he went after Jews.