How is “Islamist terrorism” a “perversion of a great faith”? The learned imam Theresa May did not bother to explain. For her and her ilk, it is self-evident.
Yet one might get the impression that violence against unbelievers is not at all a perversion of Islam from the authoritative sources in Sunni Islam, the schools of Sunni jurisprudence (madhahib):
Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).
Of course, there is no caliph today, unless one believes the claims of the Islamic State, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).
Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”
However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)
Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”
This is also taught by modern-day scholars of Islam. Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:
The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)
Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.
All this makes it clear that there is abundant reason to believe that violence against unbelievers is not a perversion of Islam. It would be illuminating if Theresa May or someone around her produced some quotations from Muslim authorities she considers “authentic,” and explained why the authorities I’ve quoted above and others like them are inauthentic. While in reality there is no single Muslim authority who can proclaim what is “authentic” Islam, and thus it would be prudent not to make sweeping statements about what “authentic Islam” actually is, clearly there are many Muslims who believe that violence against unbelievers is not a perversion of Islam.
One might also get the impression that violence against unbelievers is not a perversion of Islam from these Qur’an verses:
2:191-193: “And kill them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”
4:34: “Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”
4:89: “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and kill them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”
5:33: “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
8:12: “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!”
8:39: “Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”
8:60: “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror thereby into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”
9:5: “Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”
9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”
9:111: “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”
9:123: “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”
47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”
There are some tolerant verses in the Qur’an as well — see, for example, sura 109. But then in Islamic tradition there are authorities who say that violent passages take precedence over these verses. Muhammad’s earliest biographer, an eighth-century Muslim named Ibn Ishaq, explains the progression of Qur’anic revelation about warfare. First, he explains, Allah allowed Muslims to wage defensive warfare. But that was not Allah’s last word on the circumstances in which Muslims should fight. Ibn Ishaq explains offensive jihad by invoking a Qur’anic verse: “Then God sent down to him: ‘Fight them so that there be no more seduction,’ i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. ‘And the religion is God’s’, i.e. Until God alone is worshipped.”
The Qur’an verse Ibn Ishaq quotes here (2:193) commands much more than defensive warfare: Muslims must fight until “the religion is God’s” — that is, until Allah alone is worshipped. Ibn Ishaq gives no hint that that command died with the seventh century.
The great medieval scholar Ibn Qayyim (1292-1350) also outlines the stages of the Muhammad’s prophetic career: “For thirteen years after the beginning of his Messengership, he called people to God through preaching, without fighting or Jizyah, and was commanded to restrain himself and to practice patience and forbearance. Then he was commanded to migrate, and later permission was given to fight. Then he was commanded to fight those who fought him, and to restrain himself from those who did not make war with him. Later he was commanded to fight the polytheists until God’s religion was fully established.”
In other words, he initially could fight only defensively — only “those who fought him” — but later he could fight the polytheists until Islam was “fully established.” He could fight them even if they didn’t fight him first, and solely because they were not Muslim.
Nor do all contemporary Islamic thinkers believe that that command is a relic of history. According to a 20th century Chief Justice of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid, “at first ‘the fighting’ was forbidden, then it was permitted and after that it was made obligatory.” He also distinguishes two groups Muslims must fight: “(1) against them who start ‘the fighting’ against you (Muslims) . . . (2) and against all those who worship others along with Allah . . . as mentioned in Surat Al-Baqarah (II), Al-Imran (III) and At-Taubah (IX) . . . and other Surahs (Chapters of the Qur’an).” (The Roman numerals after the names of the chapters of the Qur’an are the numbers of the suras: Sheikh Abdullah is referring to Qur’anic verses such as 2:216, 3:157-158, 9:5, and 9:29.)
Here again, obviously there is a widespread understanding of the Qur’an within Islamic tradition that sees it, and Islam, as mandating violence against unbelievers. And we see Muslims who clearly understand their religion as mandating violence against unbelievers acting upon that understanding around the world today. So will Theresa May defend her claim? Of course not.
“Islamic State claims responsibility for London car, knife attack that left four dead,” by Jill Lawless, Associated Press, March 23, 2017:
The Islamic State group claimed responsibility Thursday for an attack by a man who plowed an SUV into pedestrians on a crowded London bridge and then stabbed a police officer to death on the grounds of Britain’s Parliament.
The attacker was born in Britain and known to authorities who had once investigated him for links to religious extremism, British Prime Minister Theresa May said Thursday in a sweeping speech in which she also encouraged Britons to go about their lives.
The Islamic State group said through its Aamaq News Agency that the attacker was a soldier of the Islamic State who “carried out the operation in response to calls for targeting citizens of the coalition” of countries fighting IS in Syria and Iraq. In addition to the police officer and the attacker, who was shot by police, two people died on Westminster Bridge and at least 30 others were injured, seven critically.
British officials did not release the attacker’s identity or confirm a link with the Islamic State group, though May did say it would be wrong to describe the attack as “Islamic” extremism.
“It is Islamist terrorism,” she said. “It is a perversion of a great faith.”…
zulu says
British-born jihadist who killed three and injured 29 is named as career criminal Khalid Masood who was probed by MI5 ‘some years ago’ over links to ‘violent extremism’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340858/Armed-police-seal-Birmingham-ongoing-incident.html#ixzz4cAI9K4GK
Angel Gabriel says
Since he is British-born, he was obviously radicalized in his mosque which teaches what May calls “a great faith”. All May is doing is serving to pull the wool over the eyes of the public which if continues will lead to the fall of the UK to Islamists. And what does May get out of lying to the public? Virtue-signaling — she flushes her country down the toilet for the privilege of signaling that she is not a racist.
Spencer Warren says
This savage would not have been born in or living in Britain but for its insane immigrant policies. Enoch Powell was 100 percent right in his 1967 Rivers of Blood Speech. The establishment response — loss of his shadow cabinet position and expulsion from the Tory Party– signaled the triumph of liberalism and ultimately the death of England.
Spike1033 says
I watched the farce in London today of all the politicians telling us that these terrorists have not won and that we will not cower to their murderous acts. Of course they’ve won! They have obtained 48 hours of free TV publicity and the covers of every western newspaper.
An MP seemed genuinely mystified that the subhuman terrorist did not try for more deaths in a smaller city where there were fewer police. The moron didn’t consider that in a smaller town Masood wouldn’t have obtained the publicity
This man was a small-time criminal who had never achieved anything in life and by killing a couple of people would achieve massive publicity. The police will now waste millions of pounds looking for a motive. We know why he did it. Stop wasting our money.
gravenimage says
Spike1033 wrote:
An MP seemed genuinely mystified that the subhuman terrorist did not try for more deaths in a smaller city where there were fewer police. The moron didn’t consider that in a smaller town Masood wouldn’t have obtained the publicity
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Of course, you are right. The main point of this Jihad was that it was an attack on the Houses of Parliament.
EmHotep says
After seeing all of the stupid western politicians, I have started to believe that “Allah will complete his light (Nur, ضوء) “, verse from the quran…
Pal says
And the Surah 110 – the final victory of islam on Earth…
Dawn says
What is wrong with her a perversion of a great faith ! BS I said it BS. It makes me sick.
Dawn says
I see the headscarf on her in the pic! Is she a new convert to Islam if she is then that is why she has this attitude.
Lucia Bartoli says
She needs to be like Marine Le Pen who canceled a meeting b/c she wouldn’t wear a head scarf
Paul says
Bit of a dilemma for politicians this one. On the one hand, an islamist tries
to attack Parliament. On the other, you aren’t going to bite the hand that
feeds you i.e. Saudi and Qatari financiers. Something tells me that our
political ‘elites’ will choose the latter, just a gut feeling. I can understand
the necessity for such a speech to be taken apart for the purposes
of a site such as this, but why anybody else would sit down listen and put
themselves through such a patronising and painfully predictable ordeal is beyond me!
Wellington says
She’s not a convert to Islam, Dawn, but “just” a very subordinate dhimmi. The effect, however, is basically the same. Ditto for all the harm Obama did America, whether a Muslim or “only” a lackey dhimmi for Islam.
DFD says
Dawn says: “… why she has this attitude.”
She **always** wears that when she meets or is with Muslims. Under her auspices the number of sharia courts has more than doubled, currently ~120/125. Here in England many o us call her “Sharia-May”.
john spielman says
islam has brought NOTHING into this world that is good!, only SUFFERING and DEATH and DESTRUCTION
Godwin says
But it was/is allowed to flourish in EU n the USA, thanks to the petrol dollars.
dumbledoresarmy says
John Quincy Adams, back in 1829, said of Mohammed that he spread “desolation and delusion”.
That’s putting it in a nutshell.
RationalVoice says
What she said is a perversion of reality and common sense !!!
Guy Macher says
May is no smarter than unbuttered toast.
Lucia Bartoli says
She is simply not as bright as she has been given credit for–a “great faith?” Tell that to the dead and wounded. These savages will only now up their game.
Spencer Warren says
Tell that to the millions slaughtered through the centuries by Islam, especially the Hindus I the Muslim conquest of India.
PRCS says
By Muslims–carrying out Islam’s edicts.
Joe says
You don’t have to go back in time, to see that Islam is evil. Islam is waging genocide in a number of countries such as South Sudan, Nigeria, and others today. This slaughter rarely reaches the press, but it is still happening. Take, for example, the 27,000 boys who were thrown out of a refugee camp where they tried to find shelter from Islam. The Muslims let the girls live so that they could traffic the sex. The boys were sent to die in the desert. The Muslims waited for the boys dying from thirst and starvation with machine guns, and killed 9,000 in one shooting. This only came to light, because one of the boys survived and made a name for himself in long distance running. He was telling the story of his childhood. Genocide has always been a part of Islam, and it still is.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Genocide has always been a part of Islam, and it still is.”
*Human sacrifice” has always been a part of Islam.
Islam is all about the killing; the ritual murders, on the grand scale.
Churchill called it “the religion of blood and war”.
one might also call it the religion of murder, or the religion of death.
Rev g says
It is not a religion that features mass, nor is it a grave religion, it is a religion of mass graves.
Mysterex says
i love how Sharia May tells the proles just to carry on as though nothing has happened. Typical response from someone who has a security detail and doesn’t have to live amongst the trash that she and those like her have allowed into Britain. A few peasants sacrificed on the alter of appeasement. Who cares!
I also love the fact that the supposed lone wolf attack prompted multiple arrests. Were the authorities simply not bothered about arresting these “unrelated” attackers until now, or were they in fact related to this attack? Hard to be a lone wolf when you’re in a pack – but then we all know that the lone wolf tag is just one of the many well-worn lies that we see after each event.
And the information that the attacker was British-born. Is this supposed to suggest that there’s nothing to be done – that they’re “Brits”; just like your (non-Muslim) neighbours next door? Well, there is plenty that can be done; it just requires politicians with a spine, like Geert Wilders, not clueless apologists like May.
Anne Smith says
The poor children who have lost their mother and those who have lost their father will not be able to carry on as normal. Their lives have been destroyed for ever. A pity Mrs May seemed rather oblivious to this fairly obvious fact.
Karen says
Interesting points. And, in fact, much of what I read in the British press quoted people as saying ‘oh dear, it’s finally happened on British soil’.
Astounding! Does no one remember the subways killers!? Or the murdering jihadists who beheaded the soldier in London? Or the Islamist rapists who have sexually assaulted countless young British girls?
No, we are being conditioned to ‘carry on’ in a new normal.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is *hardly* the first Jihad attack on British soil. How short are these idiot’s memories? It is not as though we have to go way back in history.
Mysterex says
*altar*
Vyx says
Good to see that her meeting with Trump had no lasting effect, and that Mr. Soros was able to get her back on the globalist agenda.
How soon will there be calls for more jihadists to prove Britain is tolerant?
berserker says
Fine. But why tell that to the Kuffar? If May truly believes that it is a perversion, tell that to the people perverting the “great faith”. Keep me out of it.
Keys says
“a perversion of a great faith”
The more those in power tell us that in the face of past and present evidence, the more suspect what they say becomes to more and more of us. Their lies points to the heart of what is true.
Bush and Obama said, “We are not at war with Islam.”
All our liberal leaders have to do is google “Dar al Harb” and perhaps they will understand the non-muslim world is forever at war with Islam, by “Allah’s” command.
But let’s pretend we are not, so we feel better, and do not offend anyone.
We’ll just have to accept Islam so we can find out what’s in it.
PRCS says
We, we unIslamic nations, are not “at war” Islam.
But, as some/many Muslims–knowing that Qur’an ultimately commands warfare against “people of the book”–are at war with we “filthy unbelievers”.
davej says
Let’s rename it “The Religion of Perversion” then, seems a lot more accurate in many ways.
Godwin says
Call it the “religion of final solution” is more accurate.
DB says
“While in reality there is no single Muslim authority who can proclaim what is ‘authentic’ Islam, and thus it would be prudent not to make sweeping statements about what ‘authentic Islam’ actually is, clearly there are many Muslims who believe that violence against unbelievers is not a perversion of Islam.”
However, a case can be made that at least a significant part of authentic Islam consists wherein there is broad-based agreement on various doctrines and practices over the course of Islam’s history. As such, Robert’s claim that “it would be prudent not to make sweeping statements about what ‘authentic Islam’ actually is, clearly there are many Muslims who believe that violence against unbelievers is not a perversion of Islam” unnecessarily concedes too much. Such violence, as Robert also brilliantly illustrates, is part and parcel of Islam and its 1400 year history, and so it is part of authentic Islam, not just a belief held by many that such is not a perversion of Islam.
Carolyne says
While there might be many versions of Islam to which various Muslims adhere, there are several constants: Take over their countries and subdue them, take their women and children as slaves and demand payment for protection.
DB says
And perhaps the most irrational “constant” of all is the nonsense that Muhammad was the ideal human being and The Prophet of God that all Muslims of any group must believe is the case. In addition, they are all called to emulate him and the way he lived his barbaric life.
Imagine if someone tried to set up a new religion/ideology today that included the basic tenets of Islam. Without naming it as Islam, people would be aghast at how repressive and evil much of it is, but then advise it’s really Islam and all of sudden it gains widespread acceptance as a “legitimate religion” instead of the monstrous heresy it truly is.
Frank Verderber says
I wish the conservative mefia would stop calling Christians unbelievers and infidels and start using that Biblical language on the Muslims. “Because they (Muslims, liberals, and humanists) refuse the truth, God sends upon them a delusion that they may believe a lie.”
Wellington says
Theresa (Sharia) May is not just a fool. She is a powerful and harmful fool. She fills me with disgust.
mortimer says
The revulsion I feel towards this pompous fool is beyond words. She could learn about ISLAMIC terrorism … heck, Robert Spencer explained it perfectly above JUST NOW… but this arrogant know-nothing CHOOSES NOT TO KNOW.
Wellington says
Willful ignorance about evil abets evil and thus is evil itself. In fact, and as Ayn Rand and others have argued, willful ignorance of evil is actually worse than evil because it gives cover and continued life to pure malevolence.
PRCS says
Not sure if it’s willful ignorance amongst members of academia, journalism, and politicians or–as someone noted above–not biting the hands which feed them.
Anne Smith says
No, she thinks she already knows. As the sanctimonious daughter of a minor clergyman she is filled with respect for religion and like most lower middle class do-gooders, also views all religions as deserving of equal respect.
That is the problem.
DFD says
Sadly, she’s not willfully ignorant, be sure. Just look at her eyes. Merkel Mk2.
The bit that I find so incomprehensible is that Trump refers to her as “his Maggie”, holds hands with her and wants to visit her.
INCREDIBLE!
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Wellington says
Well, DFD, if May is not willfully ignorant then what is she? Sorry, but the “look at her eyes” comment by you is not an argument and you know this or should know this. Provide me with an argument. Until you do, I will go on the assumption, I think a very valid one, that she is willfully ignorant.
DFD says
OK, that with the eyes was a bit… Sort of strange, emotional, admitted. Mea Caulpa.
Theresa May. She ran the **home office** (ministry of interior) since 2010. I believe that requires extensive knowledge of inner British affairs and the groups concerned, ethnic, religious and ideological, struggling for various positions. And I think that includes a very vocal group, the Muslims. She most certainly would have had consultants in respect to the groups.
Her early career was in banking, particularly with the ‘Association for Payment and Clearing Services’, from 1985 to 1997 as a financial consultant, and as senior advisor in International Affairs. I believe that includes a lot of Muslim countries, due to the British Commonwealth.
She became chairman of the Tories in 2002, later in 2004 she became ‘Shadow Secretary of State for the Family’. In 2005 she became the ‘Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport’. All that means contacts with Muslims, a group that’s always complaining and demanding.
And she is will fully ignorant about Islam? Let me put it this way, The Guardian stated that she is going further to the left than the Labour Party’s 2015 general election manifesto. (Compare or take a look what Merkel has done with the CDU). Like the CDU the Tories claim to be middle of the road to conservative, many Tories by now doubt that, or say it isn’t so – similar to the CDU situation and claims in Germany.
Given her career and recent posts she must have had good contacts with Sidiq Khan, he is after all the mayor of London, she was based in London as home secretary. Also, large chunks of the more valuable properties in London are definitely in Arab hands. Recently the BBC appointed a Muslim to head the Sunday Morning Worship program to a Muslim. Christians are rather surprised. Need I to go on?
Under her auspices the number of sharia courts has approximately doubled from to ~60 to ~120.
Whenever she meets with Muslims she dons her hijab/niqab/scarf thing. Like with Merkel, nothing is known about the financing of her career. Obviously, money is of no import, it’s all due to her appeal to the voters and party members. After all, we live in a democracy, open fair and honest to all – accept for matters accessible only on a ‘need-to-know’ basis.
Did I sound sarcastic? Forgive me my friend, the sarcasm was **not** directed at you, I trust you know that.
Wellington says
Oh, I know that, DFD, and absolutely no offense taken. Moreover, I have come to appreciate your capacity for detail being the detail person I myself am.
Well, one thing I think we can agree upon about May is that, for whatever reason or reasons, she is a piss-poor excuse for a PM. My God, the woman is simply abominable. It’s a long way, a very long way, from Churchill to May. A long way downwards—–whatever the causes.
InfAdel macgee says
Great religion ? What’s great about it ? The fact that if you leave they kill you ? Leftists are so retarded it boggles the mind .
mortimer says
“TURHIBUNNA” (terrorise them) – Koran 8.60
“It is Islamist terrorism,” she said. “It is a perversion of a great faith.”… Oh, really?
… please read Koran quote above.
Steve Klein says
If Ms. May would only broaden her ban on counter-jihad ‘fear-mongers’ and ‘alarmists’ all of this un-Islamic behavior might stop. ):
mortimer says
Theresa May (on her own say-so) knows MORE about Islam than someone with a BA, MA and PhD in ISLAMIC STUDIES and who spent MOST of his life doing nothing but STUDY ISLAM !!!
Caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, who is the ISIS chief and the caliph of the Islamic State, is apparently the first Islamic Studies PhD from a Muslim background who has no idea about Islam.
Al-Baghdadi, who has obtained BA, MA and PhD degrees in Islamic studies from the Islamic University in Baghdad, has been condemned as a person who knows nothing about Islam, and as the head of an organization that has nothing to do with Islam.
The professors from the Islamic University of Baghdad, however, do not agree. They taught the caliph and believe his credentials and doctrines are sound.
“If a person who has a PhD in Islamic studies and does nothing but study the Islamic scriptures knows nothing about Islam, then who does?” questioned al-Baghdadi’s main teacher from the Islamic University, preferring to remain anonymous since the fatwa against ISIS and its chief puts his reputation into jeopardy.
“The wine-sipping Muslims, those hedonistic adulterers will tell the world what true Islam is? Obama and Cameron know more about Islam than the faculty of Islamic studies at the Islamic University in Baghdad?” the professor bellowed with rage, while talking to a journalist.
Another professor, who had taught al-Baghdadi for his BA, said off the record that the ISIS caliph was an ardent student.
“He had this obsession with Islamic studies. I used to tell him to go out and have some fun sometimes. But his idea of fun wasn’t too human friendly,” the professor said. “In any case he was a top student. One of the best I’ve ever had. Had the entire syllabus on his finger tips – to be honest, he knew more about Islamic studies than most of the professors.”
“While you can question whether they are humans or not, there is no doubt that ISIS, including Abu Bakr (al Baghdadi), are indeed bona fide Muslims,” concluded the ISIS caliph’s PhD professor.
somehistory says
islam is a total *perversion* of the word “faith” and of the word “peace” and every other word having to do with virtue and islam pretends they are worthipping the True God, so they throw around words in perversion of all things good..
islam is only “great” in the way a giant earthquake is “great” or the Bubonic Plague (black death) was “great” or World War1 was the “Great War.”
Jesus Christ said there would be a “great tribulation” and He wasn’t talking about something good.
This creature is no different than the creature who knifed the police officer after mowing down and murdering the citizens on the bridge, except that she is still able to spout the lies for the beast from satan.
Wellington says
I made a point, somehistory, when teaching history, as I did for a third of a century, of referring to Islam as a major religion (which is completely accurate) but never as a great one. Yet often I described other religions as great, Christianity, Judaism and Buddhism among them. I don’t know how many of my students noticed the difference, probably not many, but it was not only important but imperative for me to make the distinction which I did.
somehistory says
I appreciate that, Wellington. If just one student understood the point you were making, it was well worth your effort.
gravenimage says
Good for you, Wellington. Important distinction.
Richie says
To quote Winston Churchill:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.”
Richard Paulsen says
He knew better hundred years ago than most politicians and people now. Terrible more have not learned.
gravenimage says
Winston Churchill did not live *quite* that long ago, Richard… 🙂
Richie says
To quote John Quincy Adams, 6th president of the United States:
“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.
Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).
Michael says
Theresa May is still the f***ing imbecile she ever was.
Spike1033 says
Totally agree. But look at the alternative. Corbyn?
gravenimage says
Yes–he likely would be even worse.
Richie says
It seem the person the leftist media in Britain is singling out for condemnation is Tommy Robinson. Why? His warnings about the dangers of Islam have proven true
Godwin says
His warnings are willful ignored by the elites.
Godwin says
willfully ignored by the British government.
Rob says
What traitorous fools who are ‘leading’ us…to slaughter. Here’s my music video called ‘Nothing to do with islam’:
God's Warrior says
Perhaps someone here can help clarify two ideas I seem to have received on the Internet:
1) He said to fight until all of the Arabian peninsula was muslim;
2) Both he and Allah thought that the sun went down into a mirky puddle at the west horizon, then rose again from the mirky puddle at the eastern horizon, that his hero Alexander the Great had conquered so far that he actually saw the mirky puddle.
Would this not mean that the rest of the world which apparently neither God nor he knew about is exempt from jihad?
It will be soon!
gravenimage says
Nope–the Qur’an has enjoins Muslims to fight everywhere until “all religion is for Allah”–so it doesn’t matter how little of the world was known during the illiterate “Prophet’s” time.
Richard Paulsen says
Madame Prime Minster. Please protect the Royal Family.
Remember my teacher in the 1950s saying: – ” If you want to listen to good english, listen to this “, turning on the radio in the corner above him, the voice of Queen Elisabeth being heard in the classroom.
Ali Bey says
a perversion of a perverse faiyh…
Ali Bey says
A perversion of a perverse faith…
Guest says
A religion that demands murder and rape. How ‘great’ can it be?
John A. Marre says
A perverted faith, not a grave faith.
citycat says
Theresa May
Take a deep breath
Snap that hope of peace with Islam
Now
Push it out
This Islamic Terrorism is a smokescreen blanket for the soldiers of Allah to breed in retreat while the wives smile dreaming of conquest
Keep up the good work
dumbledoresarmy says
I prefer Tommy Robinson’s response.
Right there, right then, in the heart of London.
Absolute incandescent withering *fury* and clarity as to the source and nature of the threat.
Trying hard to wake up the zombies to recognise the peril they are in.
Watch the video embedded in the link from ‘Milo”s site. Look at the man’s face. He’s identified the Enemy. He’s read the Enemy’s book (oh, the stupid, stupid mohammedans who shot themselves in the foot, but good, when they gave Tommy Robinson a Quran to read, in jail, presumably thinking they’d recruit him for the Gang in a nice bit of jailhouse dawa. It backfired, bigtime.. he’d never read it before but when he did… plenty of time to do so, in jail! …no other demands on his time…. *everything* about mohammedan behaviour he’d already noticed – and disliked intensely – suddenly clicked into place…. and he KNEW what he was up against).
It’s the face of a soldier, waaay out in No Man’s Land, facing enemy fire. And his reporter mate who’s there with him, doing the interview, is pretty good, too.
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/03/tommy-robinson-rips-reporter/
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, DDA.
Dawn says
Whats in that tap water shes drinking !
Peter says
Muhammad, the Muslim prophet, was a self-declared terrorist: “I have been made victorious with terror” (per Sahih Bukhari hadith). Terror is a tactic long used to advance Islam, as the London example demonstrates yet again. Get real: Islam is a predatory faith that advocates violence towards non-Muslims worldwide. Islam is a declaration of war on humanity.
Angemon says
OK, who gave her Putin’s book?
Pal says
M s T h e r e s a ,
You never call Christianity a “great faith”.
(Similarly, B. Obama blamed Only Christianity and Defended Only Islam).
So, would you that easily perhaps abandon Christianity and adopt islam?
Or, maybe you have already done so??
Musalmaanmasala says
How many times a day does Sharia May lift her bum to the moon god and his self proclaimed prophet mohammed?
Raja says
This is the reason why I don’t feel sorry for the Europeans. They deserve it. Islam and Europeans are meant for each other.
gravenimage says
Considering we have seen this sort of appeasement of Islam just about everywhere–including India–do you believe that all Infidels deserve to be slaughtered by Muslims?
Musalmaanmasala says
gravenimage, I agree with Raja. You guys deserve Islam. You’ll have abandoned the True Faith and gone after Mammon that today a false god and a false prophet is playing havoc among you’ll.
Mammon has eaten into your vitals that even in plenty you’ll do not have peace and are trying to find that peace in the “peaceful religion” of Islam and are falling into the trap like the recent London attack and the numerous attacks of “converts” to Islam.
These were not “Christians” per se, a “Christian” name does not make one a Christian, but lost souls who drifted away and were embraced by Satan to do his work,
Matthieu Baudin says
…“It is Islamist terrorism,” she said. “It is a perversion of a great f’aith.”…
Teresa May and her ilk have taken the morally deplorable step of equating ‘greatness in numbers’ with ‘greatness in human virtue’ or ‘greatness in human kindness’. This is a great error in judgement, one that puts the welfare of most of her constituents in jeopardy.
sinantara says
You can nnot stop jihad with guns. The British hero Masood sacrificed his life to liberate his country friom domination by the kuffar. Al Maida 53, don’t elect kuffar as you leaders–and Brittain still has kuffar leaders…If Theresa May want to stop terror attacks, she has to convert–of course, she then have to have a consort because a woman without a guardian will do un Islamic things. And she should rule from the serail, lest somebody will do a Benazir Bhutto on her. But at least she can prepare Sharia for Brittain. And a Muslim candidate for PM. However, transition of power should be gradual, if not the results will be dismaying, if for example Somalis will run Brittain like the run Somalia or Pakistanis will run Brittan like they run Pakistan. the problem is, multiculturalism and politically correctness are western cultural products. So if Pakistanis are in power, will they let in Syrian refugees and if Syrians are in charge, will they be Sunni or Alawite? This all should be taken into consideration lest Brittain will endure an endless civil war with lots of terrorism and Saudi en Iran meddling. Then the majority of British should be gradually prepared for their dhimmi status–they may turn to right wing populists or extreme evangelist preachers. As things stand, the Anglican church is doing a good job and should encouraged to be the tool to prepare their followers mentally for Islam.. Another problem of course is the Queen. Will she convert, probably not, but the princes may convert so the umma should be patient. Another possibility, Sadiq Khan should declare the caliphate of the west, and then nobody can say “Islamophobia” if all terrorists are beheaded for perverting Islam.
dumbledoresarmy says
Are you being sarcastic, or are you in earnest?
Either way, your comment does NOTHING but feed the Dementors; NOTHING but foster despair and defeatism and withering paralysis of the soul.
If everyone coming here commented like that, nobody but the very strongest would have any heart to keep on fighting.
Are you with us, or are you one of the Enemy?
I am sure the Muslim eavesdroppers lurking here and reading over our shoulders were giggling with glee when they read what you just wrote.
Rev g says
Give me a couple dozen men with the right guns, we can stop a whole Lotta jihad.
gravenimage says
Yes–sneering at any part of the civilized world falling to Islam just plays into Muslim hands, whether this was sarcastic or not.
David, Thailand says
The British PM is either ignorant of Islam, and/or weak, naive, frightened or purchased.
underbed cat says
Perversion of Islam? Theresa read your Quran… suggestion to avoid the mosque out reach since they are very good at information warfare so you will walk out with information that is confusing since words have different meanings for “you” and you may be convinced they are peaceful…read the Reliance of the Traveler about sharia law, or Hadiths. Learn about the double speak, to pave the way to allow sharia.
underbed cat says
Excuse me I meant the “doctrine”, not ‘they may be peaceful”, since you can never be sure who follows the commands, the faithful terrorist or who may just support it quietly.
Arjun says
DON’T push the pendulum too far left, for the day shall come when you’ll have to let it go and guess what where it would go…… that’s right……..faaaaaar right. You have been informed.
mortimer says
ISLAM versus ISLAMISM? Answer: ISLAMISM IS NAKED ISLAM
“Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe or atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.
To the contrary, I think ISLAMISM IS NAKED ISLAM, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.
Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.
But what is Islamism?
Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.
Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.” – Fr. Henri Boulad, SJ, Alexandria, Egypt
PGuud says
Terrorize me once; death to you. Terrorize me twice; death to me. And I would be deserving of it.
Much of the free world’s leadership is a colossal disgrace and failure. Certainly, never trust a Muslim; but, also, never trust anybody who doesn’t tell it like it is.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
RickyS says
It’s not Islam?
I think that is a dumb thing to believe, but it could be a very smart thing to say:
1. Some Muslims will start to believe it and act accordingly.
2. The West needs Muslim allies. Including the oil exporters.
3. The West needs to prevent harassment of their Muslim citizens so they can be relied on when they work for security agencies.
4. The rest should be obvious, fanning the flames of moderation.
dumbledoresarmy says
It’s not working.
It’s not working.
All that’s happening is that the hijra is swamping Britain.
Saying sh*t like this – whle silencing anyone who says otherwise – is KILLNG the free world, inch by slow inch.
Time to STOP.
RickyS says
1. I’m certainly not silencing anybody.
2. I looked up “hijra” and it’s a kind of transgender person in India.
3. Ah, there’s a Hijrah, a kind of jihad by emigration! Okay, a problem, so cut back immigration. But May was talking about the violent attack a few days ago.
gravenimage says
RickyS wrote:
It’s not Islam?
I think that is a dumb thing to believe, but it could be a very smart thing to say:
1. Some Muslims will start to believe it and act accordingly.
…………………………
I’m sorry–the idea that Muslims wage violent Jihad because Infidels notice they are doing so is false. Muslims wage violent Jihad because their faith tells them to do so, and they will not stop if unbelievers lie for them.
More:
2. The West needs Muslim allies. Including the oil exporters.
…………………………
No Muslim nation is a real ally of ours. Pretending that they are does not make this so.
More:
3. The West needs to prevent harassment of their Muslim citizens so they can be relied on when they work for security agencies.
…………………………
The idea that the “filthy Infidels” are harassing Muslims is false. Most “hate crimes” have turned out to be hoaxes by Muslims themselves. And the idea that Muslims can be relied on by security agencies has been proven false over and over again. This is because all Muslims, whether they are themselves practicing violent Jihad, are called upon by their faith to support it–and most do.
More:
4. The rest should be obvious, fanning the flames of moderation.
…………………………
“Fanning the flames of moderation” is odd phrasing indeed. The fact is that Muslims don’t listen to what non-Muslims have to say about their faith.
Infidels pretending that Islam is not violent will not lead to it becoming so–it will just lead to Infidels confused over why a “religion of peace” seems to engender so much violence.
Islam the religion of killers says
It’s all very well for Teresa May to make political bullshit out of other people’s lives, she will most likley be voted out in the next election and will retire to a life of security, leaving someone else to take care of the mess…
You have to wonder why they don’t understand the truth and get hot onto the case like any sane person would, it’s not like the situ in the rest of Europe does’t exist, or Trump’s position on aiiens isn’t well known.
Like any politican she might change once all the voters have screamed out for action, but how many good people will have died in the mean time
Brenda Romano says
Theresa May is a perversion of an Englishperson.
al-Kidya says
Islam would have stayed in the Saudi Arabian desert had it not been for the cry for jihad against unbelievers. Left to its own Islam would never have survived on the merits of its religious faith alone.
p says
stupid, or a liar….. She knows what islam is but is afraid …
Don Foss says
May. Nothing but a tool, like our Democrats and “progressives.” Every other religion has legitimate reasons to call themselves “great.” There is nothing about Islam that is great. It should be referred to as a “Cancerous religion,” or a “Jailhouse religion” or a “Supremacist cult.” There is nothing about that makes it great.
Dum Spiro says
Perversion of a great faith?
Gotta love David Wood’s analysis…
— Spero
Bill Houston says
Is it possible that a tribal death cult can last 14 centuries and be responsible for the deaths of innocent people in the 21st century? Yes.
gravenimage says
Theresa May: London jihad attack not Islamic, but “Islamist terrorism…a perversion of a great faith”
……………………..
Funny how many pious Muslims are all intent on “perverting” Islam, and all in exactly the same manner…
You might almost think this actually has something to do with Islam…
Bill Houston says
Is it possible that a tribal death cult can be misconstrued as a great religion? Yes.
Is it possible that millions of British people and Theresa May can be wrong about Islam? Yes.
Guest says
Bascically she also said to forget it ever happened and go about their daily lives. Is she serious? Pretending that it didn’t happen won’t make them safe. Closing their eyes and covering their ears won’t make the threat any less real
Lodesman says
She either has very limited mental processes or she is trying to con the electorate. I would guess the latter. The question is why? At this stage the truth about Islam not being a religion of peace is clearly obvious to all.