“Supporters of refugee programs say the language demonizes Muslims and that there is insufficient evidence of such killings by refugees in the United States.”
Demonizes Muslims? Muslims aren’t mentioned. This is just more Leftist hysteria. And insufficient evidence of such killings by refugees? There have been 27 honor killings in the U.S., according to a Justice Department report, and Sessions is quite right when he notes that the immigrants are largely “from the same cultural background.” How many is too many? Is 27 not enough to arouse Leftist concern?
What’s more, there is perfectly good reason for concern about honor killing among immigrants from the six countries named in the new ban. Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says that “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law.
The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
Until the encouragement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer. The Palestinian Authority, Iraq and Jordan are not named in the ban, but the countries that are share this “cultural background.”
Note also that Jeva Lange of The Week quotes Farhana Khera of Muslim Advocates, who makes the honor killing provision all about race. Khera is also the Muslim leader who wrote to John Brennan in 2011 demanding that all mention of Islam and jihad be removed from counterterror training materials. Brennan immediately complied.
“Trump’s new executive order requires a log of ‘honor killings,'” by Jeva Lange, The Week, March 6, 2017:
President Trump’s new executive order on immigration, issued Monday…notably calls for a public database of honor killings — an addition that bears the fingerprints of Attorney General Jeff Sessions…
The order defines “honor killings” as “gender-based violence against women … in the United States by foreign nationals.” Alleged “honor killings” are a major concern of opponents of the U.S. refugee programs, although supporters of refugee programs say the language demonizes Muslims and that there is insufficient evidence of such killings by refugees in the United States.
Nevertheless, Sessions has expressed concern about honor killings in the past, such as in a 2016 discussion with a State Department official:
Sessions: … With regard to honor killings, you have evidence that 27 people were killed in the United States for honor killings according to a DOJ report.
Simon Henshaw, State Department official in charge of the refugee program: I have no evidence that there were any honor killings among the refugee population resettled in the U.S., sir.
Sessions: Well, it’s from the same cultural background I would say. [The Atlantic]
As a result, some Muslim rights advocates have slammed President Trump for appointing Sessions to his Cabinet. “[Former] Senator Sessions is one of the most, if not the most, anti-immigrant senator in the U.S. Senate,” Farhana Khera, director of the civil-rights group Muslim Advocates, told The Atlantic. “He has a long record of demonizing non-white immigrants, especially Muslim and Latino immigrants.” Jeva Lange
gretel says
It does suggest muslims. What the left are revealing is, you think honour killing, you think muslim. And why wouldn’t we?
mortimer says
Why would we not protect vulnerable women and girls who are at risk of honor killing?
carol says
“And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
This confirms what Canadian ex-Muslim Sandra Solomon said (in a section of a long interview I just described in the Trudeau article – Ex-Muslim Woman Told The Truth About Islam And What She’s Telling Will Shock You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ojKL8A7qQ).
Sandra was raised in the Saudi Arabia/Jordanian area and she says honor killings are extremely commonplace there and the men are considered good Muslims for upholding the honor of submissive women. They are practically applauded and candies are handed out. Jail is out of the question of course. Good for Trump for acting like a man.
carol says
I should have said “by upholding THEIR honor by keeping women submissive”
terry says
Mention 6 countries-i thought that there were 7.
I agree- with the database-
will the database include the NAMES of thsoe who did the homor killings- and they be barred 9sort of like the “no fly” list)?
somehistory says
They took Iraq off the list.
gravenimage says
Exactly, somehistory. I was going to mention that.
Debi Brand says
“They took Iraq off the list.”
Indeed.
Here’s why: http://www.debibrand.org/marine-steve-gern-explains-iraq-no-longer-travel-ban-list/
gravenimage says
I was not implying that it is wise to leave Iraq off the list–just look at the hideous Honor Killing in El Cahon, California, where a Muslim slaughtered the wife he had married as a child–just confirming that this was the case.
Debi Brand says
Indeed, g.i.
gravenimage says
All true, Debi.
Gary says
Is there a problem with identifying killers?
If the majority of, (ALL), “Honor Killings” happen to come from a muslim background that’s their problem, not ours!
Kay says
No one else considers killing to be honorable.
mortimer says
Ghayrah (Arabic: غيرة) (sometimes transliterated Gheera, Ghirah, or Ghayra) is an Arabic word which means “protective jealousy” or “justifiable jealousy.”
Kay, learn the lingo. This concept is no joke, is deadly serious and gets people killed.
And, no, you are wrong, they DO consider it honorable… they consider it VERY honorable. It’s a sick mentality.
gravenimage says
Gary, “Honor Killings” are *not* just a Muslim problem–not only do Infidels sometimes get caught in the crossfire, or, in the case in California, initially framed for the crime (the killer blamed “Islamophobes” and forged a note)–but remember that Muslims want to impose Shari’ah law on *everyone*.
Infidel partners of Muslims have often been targeted by their families.
And in Dar-al-Islam, Muslims often murder Infidel women for rejecting marriage proposals–I’m sure this is apt to spread to the West, if it hasn’t already.
Your idea that this is purely an internal Muslim affair is mistaken.
miriamrove says
Muslims and their feeling getting hurt. Mean while they are on a rampage killing themselves, the Jews and the infidels. m
RationalVoice says
A white English women who claimed to be a convert to Islam was on British TV today claiming Islamophobic attacks in England. She quoted a stabbing of a Islamic student as an example of this. This indeed did happen but it was done about two years and a half years ago by a deranged 15 year boy who had an ambition to be a serial killer after reading some books on the subject and already had killed a 30 year old man by stabbing him 103 times. He was caught by chance by a woman who reported him to police after seeing him lurking in bushes waiting for anybody at all to come along. He has now been tried and sentenced.
This women who gave her occupation as a journalist and campaigner wore something on her head which didn’t resemble any Islamic dress I have ever seen but she is an example of a certain professional lefty campaigner and protestor of which the UK has been infested with for decades. All seem to be against the country of their birth. I wonder how many attacks on Europeans there has been in the last 2.5 years and how many deaths and injuries. Thousands I should think !! so she was digging deep to find one which wasn’t aimed particularly at Muslims at all.
The British police who are starved of funds deal with 50 major Islamic plots per year and so far have done a great job thwarting them but sooner or later one will eventually get through. Will this silly woman appear on TV condemning it or campaigning against it ?? I don’t think so !!
myworld2 says
I think we elected Pres. Trump to put Americans first ……the only thing our Democrats can do is give our country to illegals and pay them to come here and live – to convert us to Islam ….that isn’t imagination – that is fact …out of their own mouths — LET’S SEND ALL THE DEMOCRATS TO THE LAND OF THE ILLEGALS COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY – that way they won’t have to worry about whether they are taken care of correctly …. …IT WILL SOLVE MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS … that way the dems don’t have to worry about those muslims, etc……………God Bless Americans !..
Voytek Gagalka says
Thus indirectly, any critics of that new order are supporting honor killings. Very good move. Expose bastards (Mohammedans, leftists) on that. In addition FGM should also be added (no other “religion” performs that hideous act). And I would add also massive killings of dogs in Islamic world, or lams slaughter by ritual mass murder (animal rights should lobby for that). Perhaps many other things as well.
Jeanette says
I’m so glad to see someone else bringing up FGM. It isn’t “polite conversation,” but neither is honor killing. It is much, MUCH worse than Americans realize, and Muslims are pushing for all females in the world to be forcibly mutilated – including all American females.
Muslims regard dogs as “spiritually unclean” (imagine THEM throwing around that accusation!), and because they derive great pleasure from inflicting pain and death, they refuse to stun the animals before they kill them. Bridget Bardot has been jailed five times for objecting to the Muslims slaughtering hundreds of thousands of sheep and goats on the streets of Paris, making sure that they inflict as much terror and pain on the animals as possible.
A few minutes of research into what qualifies a group to be labeled a cult will expose Islam as a cult. Don’t just ignore the word because the liberals make fun of anyone who uses it. Although many cults only meet some of the qualifiers, Islam meets every one, including human sacrifice. This is something else that Americans MUST realize. Muslims do EXACTLY the same thing that a coven of witches or a group of Satanists does, when they call to their “god” to witness, approve, and reward killing an innocent human being.
Why do we instantly label human sacrifice as such if it is done by witches or Satanists, but protect Islam’s status as a religion by not identifying human sacrifice when practiced by Muslims?
If America falls to Islam, it will be because Americans were ignorant and uninformed until too late.
carol says
I hope shawarma isn’t halal. Most people prefer to have blinders on rather than look at anything so ugly as the unnecessary mistreatment of animals. In a recent video Pat Condell surprisingly talks of his vegetarianism and his complete hatred of halal killing methods. Guess we should take a look and maybe stock up on the perfect protein – beans with veggies.
duh swami says
Quit fooling around,,,ban Islam or suffer the consequences…
somehistory says
If they were not guilty of the crime, they would not care if those people, who kill their family members to preserve an honor they do not possess in the first place, were excluded from entry.
Because they do the killing…and wish to be free to continue to murder their family members…they are protesting that it targets them.
It is not *honor-killing*…it is FAMILICIDE and should be called that. There is no honor in familicide.
And the non-moslims who are protesting, are either secretly moslim, wish to be moslim, are in favor of the murder of family members, and/or wish to make as much trouble for everyone else as is possible to make.
One case of familicide to further islam is one too many. 27 is not a small number. And since moslims like to throw their blame for crimes and hatred onto others, how can anyone be sure it is not a whole lot more than 27?
Jeanette says
And let’s not leave out that according to the Koran, Muslims have the right to enslave, torture, and murder non-Muslims, so they don’t just have a free pass to kill family members; they have a free pass to kill all of us, too.
Guest says
Well, excuse Trump for trying to prevent murder!
gravenimage says
Spot on.
gravenimage says
Trump’s new executive order on immigration requires a log of honor killings
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**Good**. I’m glad to know that Muslim Honor Killings are on the president’s radar.
More:
Simon Henshaw, State Department official in charge of the refugee program: I have no evidence that there were any honor killings among the refugee population resettled in the U.S., sir.
Sessions: Well, it’s from the same cultural background I would say. [The Atlantic]
……………………….
Sessions is right. Moreover, Henshaw is either ignorant or lying:
Yaser Said was an immigrant from Egypt who Honor Killed his two daughters, Sarah and Amina. Muzzammil Hassan was an immigrant from Pakistan who beheaded his wife after she filed for divorce due to his abuse. Faleh Almaleki wasn an immigrant from Iraq who Honor Killed his daughter Noor. Kassim Alhimidi was an immigrant from Iraq convicted of beating his wife Shaima Alawdi to death, after first blaming it on “Islamophobes”. He had married his victim when she was still a child.
There are many more such appalling stories of Muslim immigrants to the US committing Honor Killings. Many of these stories have been covered here at Jihad Watch.
somehistory says
Many times, the police mislabel death scenes. Sometimes a serial killer is busy, but they don’t know enough about serial killers to realize they are dealing with one.
The same is true when it comes to the moslims who murder their family members, esp when some of the police are either moslim or are afraid to say that the death is due to murder by islam.
There was a case in Tampa, Fl some years ago where the woman was said to have committed suicide by *repeatedly hitting her head on the corner of the coffee table.* The circumstances clearly showed it was murder by her husband, but it was mislabeled on purpose due to the influence of the moslims in the community.
There are likely many, many, many more of such cases.
gravenimage says
Agreed, somehistory. Most Western law enforcement is not even looking for “Honor Killings”, so unless it is particularly blatant, they are apt to miss it. Also, I doubt many grasp that “Honor Killings” are so often a “family affair”, and often the entire family will lie and cover up for the killer.
davej says
Under Islam women and children are the property of men, who may do pretty much anything they want to them: rape, murder or mutilate. “Honor” cultures are all about the self image of the monstrous men, they do not fit well with cultures based on rights and freedoms of all citizens.
We don’t need a database of individual Muslims but we do need one for the atrocities committed by them. These acts are against our laws and deserve no special exceptions or “respect”.
Jeanette says
Jihad Watch used to keep a graph of the atrocities committed by Muslims around the world; I haven’t looked for it in a while, but I imagine it’s still on the website.
somehistory says
Generally, when a man murders his wife or daughter, the motive is looked at first: did he have an insurance policy, or in the case of his wife, did he have a girlfriend whom he wanted to marry?
When a moslim murderers his wife because of some aspect of islam, the police are hard pressed to find another *motive* and they don’t want to say it was islam. So it is easier to say it was suicide or by the hand of person(s) unknown. Therefore it is never *solved* and they don’t have to admit it was the so-called *honor killing* for islam.
Jeanette says
It’s easier for the police to cover for Muslim murderers.
Great – our police are helping the Army of Charles Mansons.
I’m glad I’m armed and a crack shot, since the police might just look away from an ongoing Muslim attack in order to protect the Muslim attacker.
Angemon says
Yes, the people who actually care about culture-based violence against (mostly) women and try to bring that issue up do tend to be tarred as “bigots” or “anti-refugees”.
Jihadifukar says
http://www.postbulletin.com/opinion/columnists/is-it-so-hard-to-just-listen-to-people/article_f951ca0d-3f4a-5653-94f2-3dbfbdc66645.html#comments
Noah T says
“He has a long record of demonizing non-white immigrants, especially Muslim and Latino immigrants.”
What makes Muslim immigrants non-white? Islam is not a race.
Muslims think they are people of color and therefore worthy of special treatment. Also this protects them from criticism. You can’t criticize them or discriminate against them because they’re “people of color”.
David Horowitz has discussed this at length. The leftists label Islamic terrorists as non-whites or people of color, meaning they’re a minority who can’t be discriminated against.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Oh no Noah: Muslims don’t ‘think they are people of color’. They think they are WHITE, and racism v. blacks is rampant under islam.
Simon Deng-who was sold as a slave when he was 9-has something to say on the subject: https://youtu.be/IMYIezagDUU
However, you’re correct in saying that muslims use faux ‘racism’ to further their agenda. It’s just that, as with all else in islam, anything they say is always a lie. And not just any lie. WHOPPERS.
gravenimage says
Very true, Kathy.
Jeanette says
The Latinos also use race, although there is no race called “Latinoid.”
There is a reason that the category “non-hispanic white” or “non-hispanic Caucasian” exists.
Terry says
The definition of a minority–true story.
Years ago, (I think the late 1970’sor early 80’s) a distant cousin of mine applied to a medical school, using his first name, middle initial, last name. (Along, obviously,with his transcripts).
He was denied.
He applied again, using HIS FIRST INITIAL, MIDDLE NAME (think H. Ross Perot-as an example), had the school (I think he was dating a woman in the office- but his grades were terrific-top 2 or3 % of his class). (In those days, midterms, finals, term papers, no crying rooms or coloring book rooms or this other garbage) transcripts to reflect same. Same SS #, etc.
At the bottom of his application, he wrote in, ‘ I AM A MINORITY”.
He was accepted,
When (after acceptance) he was met by someone on the committee- they demanded, how could he say that he was a minority?
He replied, “My father was born in Germany, but near the Polish border-he had dual citizenship until he came to the US, then discarded both. My mother was born in Russia, and came here as an infant. So I am, from my parents, Russian, German & Polish.
Do you think that we are a majority in the US?
(He graduated medical school with honors).
BUT, ALL CAN CLAIM MINORITY STATUS-one way or another.
somehistory says
Very true. Each of us can say, “I am uniquely me,” and “I am the only one like me in the entire world.”
What person knows for a certainty that their background is from one, and only one, source? Everyone, or very nearly so is a mixture. Anyone that is from only one source would be a minority.
mortimer says
If Christians in the US were committing honor killings, it would be a BIG DEAL. Obviously, the Leftarded Regressives think that Muslims require LOWER STANDARDS and that it isn’t MISOGYNY when Muslims do it.
Jeanette says
Or, the liberals simply agree with anything the Muslims want to do – mutilating little girls, raping children, murdering wives, burning people alive, crucifying innocents … all fine with the liberals AS LONG AS they are not on the receiving end of Muslim butchery themselves.
al norm says
Two smart things here
1. Take Iraq off the list. The Government representatives are Shia and they can be used to describe and identify Sunni extremists in the USA. They do not mince words.
2. Ban the abhorrent parts of Salafism instead of saying Muslims. This take the argument away for those who “know a really nice Muslim”. Very important.
gravenimage says
al norm wrote:
Two smart things here
1. Take Iraq off the list. The Government representatives are Shia and they can be used to describe and identify Sunni extremists in the USA. They do not mince words.
………………………
al norm, I’m afraid your belief that Shia Islam is not a threat is mistaken–just look at Iran and Hizb’allah. You are also mistaken in believing that Shi’ites will automatically ally with the ‘filthy Infidels’ against Sunnis. In Iran, the Mullahs are more apt to scream “Death to America” than they are are to criticize their fellow Muslims–even when those Muslims are murdering them.
More:
2. Ban the abhorrent parts of Salafism instead of saying Muslims. This take the argument away for those who “know a really nice Muslim”. Very important.
………………………
Unfortunately, the problem with Islam isn’t just “Salafism”–Islam itself is abhorrent, and the objectionable aspects of Salafism are all orthodox Islam.
Jeanette says
Al taqiyyah, the Koranic strategy of lying to infidels until Muslims can eliminate them, is a fixture in Islam, not specific to Salafism.
A “very nice Muslim” may not be what he/she appears to be; he/she may be practicing al-taqiyyah, as his/her sacred text commands.
Islam condones evils not imagined by most Islam-ignorant Americans, and it is Islam that must be eradicated.
Cecilia Ellis says
President Trump’s Executive Order, Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, signed March 6, 2017, may be read in its entirety at the following official White House website:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/06/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states
As some posters, including myself, were concerned about the omission of Iraq, President Trump addressed his removal of Iraq from the list of countries, for which application for entry into the United States is temporarily suspended, as follows:
“(g) Iraq presents a special case. Portions of Iraq remain active combat zones. Since 2014, ISIS has had dominant influence over significant territory in northern and central Iraq. Although that influence has been significantly reduced due to the efforts and sacrifices of the Iraqi government and armed forces, working along with a United States-led coalition, the ongoing conflict has impacted the Iraqi government’s capacity to secure its borders and to identify fraudulent travel documents. Nevertheless, the close cooperative relationship between the United States and the democratically elected Iraqi government, the strong United States diplomatic presence in Iraq, the significant presence of United States forces in Iraq, and Iraq’s commitment to combat ISIS justify different treatment for Iraq. In particular, those Iraqi government forces that have fought to regain more than half of the territory previously dominated by ISIS have shown steadfast determination and earned enduring respect as they battle an armed group that is the common enemy of Iraq and the United States. In addition, since Executive Order 13769 was issued, the Iraqi government has expressly undertaken steps to enhance travel documentation, information sharing, and the return of Iraqi nationals subject to final orders of removal. Decisions about issuance of visas or granting admission to Iraqi nationals should be subjected to additional scrutiny to determine if applicants have connections with ISIS or other terrorist organizations, or otherwise pose a risk to either national security or public safety.”
The Executive Order is well worth reading, as it has more to say about security, vetting, honor killing, and biometrics, etc.
al norm says
Thank you – excellent. Crystal clear.
Cecilia Ellis says
Al norm, thank you for your reply. For a cogent legal analysis of President Trump’s Executive Order, Hans von Spakovsky, a legal expert with the Heritage Foundation, has published a quick-read article for the Daily Signal that may be accessed at the following website:
http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/06/why-trumps-revised-executive-order-is-constitutional-legal-and-common-sense/
Mark Swan says
Thank You Cecilia Ellis, for the link.
I particularly like this section, we need this made public, and it will be.
Sec. 11. Transparency and Data Collection. (a) To be more transparent with the American people and to implement more effectively policies and practices that serve the national interest, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Attorney General, shall, consistent with applicable law and national security, collect and make publicly available the following information:
(i) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been charged with terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; convicted of terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; or removed from the United States based on terrorism-related activity, affiliation with or provision of material support to a terrorism-related organization, or any other national-security-related reasons;
(ii) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been radicalized after entry into the United States and who have engaged in terrorism-related acts, or who have provided material support to terrorism-related organizations in countries that pose a threat to the United States;
(iii) information regarding the number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women, including so-called “honor killings,” in the United States by foreign nationals; and
(iv) any other information relevant to public safety and security as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General, including information on the immigration status of foreign nationals charged with major offenses.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall release the initial report under subsection
(a) of this section within 180 days of the effective date of this order and shall include information for the period from September 11, 2001, until the date of the initial report. Subsequent reports shall be issued every 180 days thereafter and reflect the period since the previous report.
Cecilia Ellis says
Mark Swan, thank you for your reply. Indeed, President Trump’s Executive Order is a solid, constitutionally legal and common sense effort to safeguard America from infiltration by jihadists, as addressed by Hans von Spakovsky, a senior fellow in the Heritage Foundation, in the following Daily Signal article:
http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/06/why-trumps-revised-executive-order-is-constitutional-legal-and-common-sense/
I am delighted that you posted Section 11 of the Executive Order. The entire Executive Order is brilliantly written, drafted superbly, as Spakovsky concludes:
“This executive order is clearly within the president’s authority under 8 U.S.C. § 1182 (f), in which Congress clearly delegated to the president the authority to suspend the entry of any aliens into the U.S. when he believes it would be ‘detrimental to the interests of the United States.'”
It should withstand any future attempts by activist judges to prevent this temporary travel ban on those coming from six known terrorist safe havens.
Mark Swan says
Thanks for the link Cecilia Ellis
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
That his team put in this language on honor killings into the no travel ban speaks well of Trump’s hires. Jeff Sessions in particular. The president is at war with a lying media, which has been at it for decades, not weeks. He needs to publicly fight this every day, so I hit the mute button when Charles Krauthammer criticizes Trump’s political priorities. If a nation isn’t told what’s going on, it’s flying blind. That people are demonstrating on behalf of Moslems as sure victims indicates just how deep of trouble we are in.
Aton says
The justification for honour killings comes from the parable of Moses and the Green man, in chapter 18. The green man kills a child because he suspected the child of disobedience and apostacy, and claimes that god will give the parents a new and better child.
Aton
Jeanette says
The fact is that Muslims are practicing honor killings, female genital mutilation, polygamy, and other primitive evils, while no actual religion is doing so.
Speaking of actual religions, when a group of Satanists calls to Satan while they kill an innocent victim, what do we call that? Right – Human sacrifice.
When a group of Muslims calls to Allah while they slit the throat of an innocent victim, why do we give Islam protection as a religion, rather than calling the act “human sacrifice” (and relabel Islam as a cult)?
The fact that Mohammed chose to steal a passage from the Old Testament (which has been superseded by the much kinder New Testament) tells us what kind of “religion” he intended to inflict on the world. It does not give Muslims an excuse for being the Army of Charles Mansons, as Pamela Geller labels them.
dumbledoresarmy says
“The fact that Mohammed chose to steal a passage from the Old Testament “.
Actually, the story of the “green man” and “Musa” is not to be found in the Old Testament *at all*.
If you read the entire Pentateuch you will not find the story *anywhere*. It appears to be based on extrabiblical *legend* or folklore; and as far as that goes, since whoever cooked up the Quran *radically distorted* and rewrote each and every biblical – *and* non-biblical – Jewish story that they plagiarised, I would hazard the guess that if *this* story of ‘Musa and the green man” is such a borrowing (from Jewish folklore, NOT from the OT) then it, too, will have been radically altered from the original… and such alterings are always disfigurements.
mortimer says
Note: Narcissistic, prideful rage is a good thing in Islam, because it is a trait of Mohammed and Allah.
In the following Hadith, not only does Mohammed claim to have a sense of honor that would cause him to commit vigilante murder, but he claims Allah’s honor is even greater…Allah is thus the greatest honor killer and approves of it for ‘illegal intercourse’…meaning intercourse where there is no entitlement. This is similar to interfering with someone’s cattle…the owner’s property is at stake and consequently the owner’s prideful sense of ownership. The owner is entitlement to reparations up to and including taking revenge through violence. Mohammed does not dispute this, but takes it for granted.
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 512:
Narrated Al-Mughira:
Sa’d bin ‘Ubada said, “If I saw a man with my wife, I would strike him (behead him) with the blade of my sword.” This news reached Allah’s Apostle who then said, “You people are astonished at Sa’d’s Ghira. By Allah, I have more Ghira than he, and Allah has more Ghira than I, and because of Allah’s Ghira, He has made unlawful Shameful deeds and sins (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) done in open and in secret. And there is none who likes that the people should repent to Him and beg His pardon than Allah, and for this reason He sent the warners and the givers of good news. And there is none who likes to be praised more than Allah does, and for this reason, Allah promised to grant Paradise (to the doers of good).” ‘Abdul Malik said, “No person has more Ghira than Allah.”
Jeanette says
It almost seems as though Satan might have been disguised as “Allah” when he chatted with the uneducated, ignorant pervert, Mohammed about starting up a new religion that violated much of what God had commanded (and made the pervert Mohammed a revered character), and thus would be a slap in the face to God.
p says
The sanctuary cities promoting violence and terrorism by releasing murderers must be addressed.
duh swami says
Half measures are better than no measures, but half measures will guarantee the jihad against America will continue…
annmarie says
Sharia Courts. Make them illegal in America. People who come to America need to live under American Law.
Jeanette says
Muslims can’t be trusted to do anything they say they will do, thanks to the Koranic strategy of al-taqiyyah.
Keep them out of America; let them kill each other off under the rules of their beloved primitive and violent Islam.
Florida Jim says
Step by step all the tyrants on earth have removed freedom from everywhere Genghis Khan, Mohammad, Romans, Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, the Ayatollah,Idi Amin, Mobutu,Progressives, Democrats Only Christians have tried to save the world and met Satan and the Democrats in the process.
Jeanette says
Amen!
And of all the killers, the Muslims have killed the most; of any single group. According to American Thinker, an estimated 270 million people have been murdered by Muslims since the time of Mohammed. And, an estimated 185 million people enslaved during that time.
Jefferson started the Navy to stop Muslim slavers.
Pamela Geller’s name for Muslims is perfect: An Army of Charles Mansons.
CC says
Honor killings are a fact of Muslim existence. They are used when families are unable to control some of its members using fear alone. Anyone who denies that they happen is a liar. They may not be as prevalent as gang shootings because most families are regulated by fear tactics.
Islam the religion of killers says
“He has a long record of demonizing non-white immigrants, especially Muslim and Latino immigrants.”
?? Is he saying 27 people were or wern’t demonised ??
Sue says
I just want to say that I really love President Trump because he is giving me some hope because I am a born & raised Canadian, and it is very obvious that our justin trudeau liberal ilying PM is dumping our country down the toilet as fast as he can. He is ipushing fprward the bill M-103 which is taking away our rights & freedoms,to be able to critize islam , musrats, koran, anything to do with those killers, he is all for the musrats and I feel that President Trump will have to build a wall to protect America from all of the justin trudeau buddies the killers in Canada. Please Americans dot be fooled by justin trudeau, he is trying to push the bill through before us stupid passive Canadians even know what is happening. . I want to immigrate to the United States because at least you guys have someone fighting for you !!! We don’t have anyone !! we are trying to inform our people before it is too late, because justin trudeau plans on giving our Alberta oil sands to the saudis. We are trying to stand up to idiot justin but he just keeps on lying to us and I dont know if we are gona make it to the next election. He has been in as our PM not even 2 full years yet & he calls himself obamas brother, because obama sister married a guy from ontario and that guy is related to either justin or his wife sophie, he is destroying our country with immigrants from you know where. he isnt even taking any immigrants from peace full law abiding countrys. Our ontario school board of the PEEL district is now teaching our children islam. I believe it is an effort of the musrats to get our own children to raise up and kill their parents. Parent are taking their children out of the public school board & moving them to Catholic schools, WE really need a Canadian Trump, God Bless America !!!
Sue says
In Canada , there was an honor killing in Ontario, two doctors and when the female said she wanted a divorce , her husband killed her and chopped her up and dumped her body north of Toronto, he was arrested by police and justin trudeau said that he felt that the man shouldn.t be charged when he was just following his culture, so please DO NOT BE FOOLED BY justin trudeau. Most of our country is still under his spell of lies & deceit. We need all the help we can get . Please Gob bless Canada and flush the liberals down the toilet. . And God Bless Donald Trump and help him make America Great Again.