Turkey is no ally of the United States. As I explained in The Complete Infidel’s Guide to ISIS, Erodgan’s Ottoman irredentism makes him reluctant to attack the Islamic State; he would rather use the Islamic State against his Kurdish enemies, and eventually co-opt the Islamic State caliphate into his own.
“Turkey defies British anti-terror commander, escalating its assault on Syrian Kurds and their Yazidi allies,” by Tom Coburg, The Canary, March 3, 2017:
The last 36 hours have seen major developments in the Middle East in defiance of British and US-led anti-Daesh (Isis/Isil) forces. First, Turkish militias are attacking anti-Daesh units near the Syrian city of Manbij. And at the same time, Turkish-backed forces have launched an attack on the long-suffering Yazidi community in Iraq.
In February, the anti-Daesh Coalition strongly suggested that the multi-ethnic but Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) were the best placed group to liberate the self-proclaimed Daesh capital of Raqqa….
As previously reported at The Canary, the Turkish regime has expressed its commitment to taking Manbij by force from SDF control. And on 1 March, in direct defiance of the Coalition, Turkey launched attacks on SDF forces in and around the city.
In a separate development, Yazidi Sinjar Resistance Units (YBŞ) in Iraq have reportedly been under sustained attack from Turkish-backed forces since the morning of 3 March.
The Yazidis are one of the most persecuted minorities in the world. In August 2014, Daesh attacked Sinjar, the homeland of the Yazidis. Many people were slaughtered, and hundreds of Yazidi women were taken as sex slaves. Iraqi Kurdish forces refused to intervene. Instead, the YPG and the PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) came to their rescue. The YBŞ is now affiliated to these groups.
Today’s attack on the Yazidis is attributed to a 500-strong group calling itself “RojPesh” (or ‘Rojava Peshmerga’). Despite this name, the RojPesh is closely allied to the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) of northern Iraq, and is suspected of being little more than a group of Turkish-backed mercenaries. According to one commentator, meanwhile, the assault is not by the RojPesh but by KRG forces. And indeed, only a week earlier, Turkey’s president met with the head of the KRG to discuss strategy.
In short, Turkey is leading an assault on anti-Daesh forces in both Syria and Iraq. And its attacks are only likely to increase in the coming weeks.
RichardL says
“democracy is the train we use to get to our final destination: an islamic state”
The best I can say about our political elites is that they think like the idiots who said about Hitler: “he doesn’t really mean it”.
Hitler did and so does Erdogan.
He looks down on all infidels as made abundantly clear to the German government in the last two days.
mortimer says
Yes, they are Islamic, but they are even more RACIST about their TURK racial superiority.
Somebody says
My friend there are 300 M Turks in the world and only 40M of them are islamists, do not forget Turks were not muslims we had to accept it by SWORD. Many Turks think that they are muslims but in reality they are deists (not read the quran and accepted islam by word of mouth)
I promise we will clean up all the racists and islam from Asia Minor.
Just support the seculars.
Peggy says
That may be right but we all know that at 10% the extremists have the upper hand. They are prepared to sabotage, terrorize and kill indiscriminately.
How are secular member of society going to control them? Just a number of Muslims alone without counting the extremists in Europe seems to be enough to be a real problem and they are below 10%.
What do you think needs to happen in Turkey to keep them under control? They certainly can’t do the same as Europe does because clearly it’s not working.
I wish the people of Turkey success in getting their country back to what it was before this extremist took over but while the country is still largely populated by Muslims there will always be enough pious Muslims to continue putting it on the wrong track. That’s the problem with Islam being the dominant religion in any country.
gravenimage says
Sadly, Peggy is right, Somebody. Right now, Erdogan has been in power–as president or prime minister–for over ten years now, and is fast re-Islamizing Turkey.
mortimer says
The Turkish state is based on the cornerstone of GENOCIDE. Turkey is a genocidal state.
Somebody says
Have a look at this we are fighting against islam as secular Turks and what about US …
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslim-majority-countries-donald-trump-travel-ban-immigration-entry-visa-three-main-countries-exempt-a7552526.html
BE HONEST
Somebody says
In one way or another we will defeat erdogan. We have at least 50% Secular Turks, Kurds, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, Deists, Yezidis, Alawites all excellent people.
We have good woman leaders like Meral Aksener and Selin Sayek Boke (Christian). We are ready to fight and die against the darkness of erdogan, muslim brothers, fethullah and saudi coalition and if necessary against the darkness of satanic iranian mullah regime.
In April islamic regime will be exterminated just watch us. We need to do this for the well being of the world, otherwise ISIS will continue and spread their ideology, it’s roots are here.
Peace.
DFD says
Dear Somebody,
If that wasn’t an emotional outburst, combined with wishful thinking, then my prayers are with you. I know that sounds fade, but it’s a lot more than you can hope for from ‘our’ rulers…
But before ‘peace’ there has to be war; be victorious, and then: Peace!
Though, I promise, there wont be peace. Every newspaper and TV station westwards of the Oder and the Danube, to eastwards from Honolulu, will really against you, should you win and establish a democratic society. Well, OK, not all, just 98-99% of them.
Somebody says
Indeed, would you believe me if I told you that erdogan and his party was established by the west against Turkish seculars…
It is a project of NWO and we know this and fighting against them also. The world powers want to have a more islamists everywhere.. This is the paradox that I can not understand.
If there is going to be a war so let it come, all sides will lose a lot.
DFD says
Somebody says: “…….This is the paradox that I can not understand.”
OK, let’s get started. “…erdogan and his party was established by the west against Turkish seculars…” Answer: Established, no. Manipulated into power, yes. Next, “…a project of NWO …. The world powers want to have a more islamists everywhere..”
Finally: “…If there is going to be a war so let it come…” It’s already being fought, and the major confrontation is being prepared.
Now let’s have a look at the so-called ‘NWO’, which as such it doesn’t exist. There’s no single group which can reasonable expect to obtain world power. Though some of these may fantasize that that is possible.
But what there **are** are multiple groups with overlapping interests, congruent interests and opposed interests. Even within the same groups, and concerning a variety of areas. There are three/four primary groups, (1) the internationalists, (2) the anarchists/Maoists (which consists of various sub-groupings such as Marxists, Bolshevists and socialists) and (3) a third group, purely motivated by financial interests. The latter also requires political power for greatest possible effectiveness, and for securing their interests, current and aimed for. Note here that group (1) straddles both, group 2 & 3. Finally, there’s a 4th group, that’s the Muslims, consisting also of a plethora of sub divisions.
Before commencing, a word, which you may find initially off-putting, but read it through and think about it. Namely a number of people as an illustration, to help understanding. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Ayatullah Khomeini, George Soros, Yassir Arafat, Any Rothschild, Leon Trotsky, Theodore Hertzl (father of Zionism) and finally, Mother Theresa. What do they all have in common? A lot, everything good and noble! None of them was or is evil, in the eyes of their followers and admirers. On the contrary! What they have done has been achieved often at great personal risk, often combined with sacrificing or risking personal resources, etc. Assume you just arrived from outer space and are here for a few weeks, and you just learned about those people. They will all appear to be most honourable. You, the spaceman, wont see the differences that we see, with us knowing the results of their actions. What do you think how those people regard themselves? Not one will consider himself to be evil, but instead dedicated and devoted to their respective causes, which are absolutely necessary, in their understanding, and which they serve with the utmost devotion. Even though the Muslims hate Hertzl as well as Mother Theresa. BTW, that also holds true for Erdogan, as much as it holds true for George Washington, Bismarck, Konrad Adenauer or Donald Trump. That even includes Merkel, Obama and Clinton. Now think about this.
Bear that in mind. Because ultimately, when ever you talk about groups or organizations, you talk about people. Though, they may hold completely different believes, follow utterly divergent, or even colliding objectives. They will however attract followers and sympathizers expecting gain. This gain can be (directly) material, it can be safety; in numbers for instance. Or it can simply be the attraction of power and its privileges – responsibilities come not even close…
Let us look at group (1), this is exemplified by George Soros and his NGOs. Soros is motivated by power as well as greed. Though, note here that this is not the mindless greed of the spendthrift, far from it. He is also putting his money where his mouth is, or rather his aims are. Yes, he instigates and instigated various ‘revolutions’ and often profits by these – and ploughs the profits back into similar operations. He is a true internationalist, believing in the “citizen of the world”. That’s why for instance he hates the US, or any other nation for that matter, including Israel. That he is a Jew means absolutely nothing, he is not an ingrate to the US, he is an internationalist. You will find that a lot of people, middle and right wing ravel against the Jews. Bullocks! To give you an idea, the Nazis have that obsession with the “international Jewry”. Original term: “Internationales Judentum”. Do you know who coined that phrase, literally? Karl Marx, another Jew and internationalist, who was supported by another Jew and internationalist, Friedrich Engels, a hardcore capitalist! These three couldn’t be further apart, that they were or are Jews means nothing, I don’t think any of them has ever seen a synagogue from the inside, apart from their child hood days. And the internationalists have a lot more non-Jews than Jews in their ranks.
Same holds true for the financial group, denoted above as group (3). The so-called “Banksters”. Understand this: Most of the leaders of these are also convinced that they can order man’s affairs objectively and properly, protecting man from himself – and making a well deserved profit in the process, of course.
And so on, and so forth. Note for instance, as a further example, neither Lincoln nor Hegel were Jews, neither were most of the founders of the illuminati. Why these two? Lincoln was an Imperialist without being an Imperialist, he wanted a closed but secure empire (from sea to shining sea) and that was that, stay clear of Europe, etc. His thinking was essentially: ‘America, stay out of trouble’. Hegel a German poet and philosopher hated empires such {“…the political manifestations of pure evil…”}, full stop. Both had very good, practical and moral reasons for their views, all you have to do is listen to what they said.
So we now have two groups.
Should you be further interested, let me know, and we will continue on this thread. I don’t want to jump around, and I don’t want to waste my time, or yours for that matter.
If you read this at all…..
Mac-101 says
DFD, Good summary. I believe the connecting thread between ALL these Now groups is that they are puppets of Satan, whether they KNOW it or not.
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As a tid bit of History. Jacob Schiff, Founder of the US FED and Rothschild BANKER in the USA gave Leon Trotsky 20 million in gold and chartered a ship in 1917 and shipped 200 Bolsheviks from NEW YORK CITY to overthrow the Russian Kerensky government who were our Allies against the Kaiser!
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So we have the BANKSTERs funding the Communist just as Wall Street finances the Neo Bolsheviks to destroy Western Civilization. WHY? THEY have most of the marbles now. Must they have them ALL? It must be satanic influences!
DFD says
Christianblood
“!I thought Friedrich Engels was a German of Protestant descent and not Jewish.
I could be wrong.”
Nope, you are right, I am wrong, I stand to be corrected. Checked with Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels
gravenimage says
Somebody wrote:
Indeed, would you believe me if I told you that erdogan and his party was established by the west against Turkish seculars…
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I’m sorry, Somebody–this is silly. Islam has never gone away in Turkey, even under Kemalism–the idea that it is the West that is imposing Islam on Turkey makes no sense.
By the way, most uninformed Americans still assume that Turkey is largely secular, and have no idea about the changes under Erdogan.
Somebody says
Dear DFD,
Of Course I read it, I have even saved it to understand and analyse better. I love to at least understand the current world management even if I can not do anything yet.
DFD says
Hi Somebody, here’s part 2
(should also interest Max & CB)
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Right, then let’s continue.
……….So we now have two groups, so far.
The Internationalists and the Finance people, Banks, Investment Funds, etc. The internationalists can or should be divided into two main groups, a socialist and a capitalist one. The latter is of course the one which overlaps in a number of ways with the Finance/Money group. This overlapping can be certain aims, at certain times, and even were personnel is concerned, that is to say there are on occasion the same people in management positions in different NGOs which in turn belong to different primary groups. Who said it’s easy?
The other wing, call it the left wing, of the internationalists are the socialists, right out to the ‘social democrats’. That wing of the internationalists cooperates very often with the group identified as group (2), the Anarchists, Bolshevists etc. Here interests and views often overlap, and or are outright congruent or complimentary with one another. Similar to the above.
A for instance is Anti-Semitism. Both wings of this group are virulently anti-Semitic, which goes back to Marx, Lenin, etc. This anti-Semitism is however completely, in most cases, amiss among the financial groups. You can gauge here one area of overlapping as well as mutual exclusion. The Jews are of course heavily represented in the financial group. For historical reasons, nothing to do with evil. Explanation: During the dark ages the catholic church outlawed the lending of money against interest. That left this field, among few others, for the Jews; since for them the Pope’s edict was not applicable, obviously. Further, since money lending is a risk business, particularly for a despised and (easily) persecuted minority, the Jews who moved into that business had to come up with networks protecting each other in case one of them goes bust. Definite risk, consider this, a rich Catholic shows to fingers to his Jewish creditor, the matter goes to a catholic court, and never mind how good your advocaties are – do I have to draw a diagram? So that’s why they are so strongly represented in the financial sector, though, they are far from being the only ones in there. Incidentally, the other effect was this, given the chronic shortage of cash (Pope’s edict) the craftsmen and artisans in the guilds were forced to develop, well, corporate structures! They formed fairly modern companies. Even patents were issued. The resultant middle ages were far from dull, consider Gutenberg and his invention of lettered printing – and the resultant indexing. Or Galileo establishing the principles of gravity and even gravitational acceleration, decades before Newton… And Galileo’s famous invention, the telescope – it was the result of pointing that thing to the moon which caused Galileo such massive problems with you know who! What happened was that a lady wrote to Galileo asking that if the moon is not perfect and flawless, but has actually been bombarded, then what the church says must be wrong, is this correct? Galileo answered with one word: ‘Yes.’ Then the brown stuff hit the fan…
So now we know a bit about the financial group. Large sections of which are interested in profits only, but realize they political protection, and of course have political influence, money… Others have a benign view, wanting to use money to order man’s affairs beneficially, than profitably. Sounds like a no-no? Well, since everybody knows about the greed, the bad side of the financial group, let us have look at the other side of the coin (pun intentional). Fugger, A German man, family actually, who was the arch-type of the capitalists. Probably the richest man who ever lived, if not, definitely among the top five. International speculator, trader, banker, speculating in copper (south America) and other commodities, such as money; suck rocks Soros, next to this guy you are an amateur! He was swinging elections, of Magistrates, Emperors and Popes – yes, we are talking middle ages! He also established the ‘Hanse’ which linked cities, towns and merchant houses along the northern European coastlines. The German national airline is called ‘LuftHansa’, many German cities have the letter ‘H’ in front, of the number plates of their cars and other things. ‘H’ stands for Hanse, like Hansestadt Hamburg, Hansestadt Bremen, etc. The German merchant navy is often simply referred to as the Hanse. So, there’s your archetypical, evil, grabbing capitalist – is he? Have a look at the Fuggerei, one of his many, endless social projects, he was a devout Christian. So he established social housing and affordable housing for the poor. He stipulated various indices and conditions which had to be upheld by his heirs, the family still exists, or legally binding successors to his companies, he had good foresight. All of the housing complexes of the Fuggereis were firebombed by the allies, but quite a few were rebuild. Nearly as they were, modern amenities of course, as stipulated by Jacob Fugger, also known as Jacob the Rich, or Fugger the Rich. His wealth is still legendary. Before the Euro, his portrait was on most German bank notes, the guy with the three cornered hat and the fur collars. So what is the result of the stipulations, reaching through more than 5 centuries, of such an evil, money grabbing capitalist, who makes Soros look like a ‘Johnny-came-lately’? Here’s the result: Monthly rent for a house in the Fuggerei: LESS THAN ONE US-DOLLAR! Again, monthly rent = <1$-US!!! Today! Here's a link: http://www.fugger.de/en/fuggerei.html To rent a house there? Sure. But the waiting list is very, verrryyyy lonnnng! And here is a picture show of a surviving Fuggerei, well, one of those that could be rebuild. http://tinyurl.com/jts6plf So much for the evil of riches and the corruption of wealth. Remember, the man swung elections, manipulated the elections of Emperors and Popes. And often speculated, sometimes disastrously, with the lose hand of a gambler in a casino.
That was the most extreme example of the financial group. But it should, hopefully, illustrate that the financial group is not all evil, as is also true for the internationalists, irrespective if these are mildly left wing or ultra left wing internationalist. See what I said in part one about people.
It's the motivation of people that matters, to understand them, their groups, their aims – and their results.
If you want to go on, I will continue with the Black Block, and thus, of course, also with the Muslims. Also, a closer look at George Soros. Let me know.
Mac-101 says
DFD, Please go on. Especially Soros. I had an old Waffen SS Intel Officer tell me in Germany around 1986 that George Soros was the most dangerous Evil man in the world and that he was the Swiss NAZI SS BANKSTER, François Genoud’s protégée.
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I had never heard of Genoud or Soros at that time. It appears that Odessa was real and perhaps still being put into operation through the Islamist and their Globalists supporters?
DFD says
Mac-101 & Somebody
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OK, but I will continue / post tomorrow. Had a busy day. If you want to know more,let me know, and let’s stay on this thread. I don’t like jumping about
Mac-101 says
Thanks, I’ll be waiting for the next couple days!
DFD says
Mac-101 & Somebody, Part (a) of part 3
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Since you are so keen on George Soros, François Genoud and Odessa I will begin with these. Two side issues, François Genoud’s and Odessa first. Gets them out of the way.
I will begin with Odessa, about which I know extremely little. They did indeed exist and were, obviously, centred around the **original** Nazis, the SS in particular. Note, that nearly excludes the Waffen-SS, practically a completely different kettle of fish. The Brits kept W-SS and reg. SS in separate POW camps, because they found out that those guys were constantly fighting each other, often to the death. The W-SS saw itself as an elite unit of the Wehrmacht, which they practically were, and they loathed the regular SS. Let me put it this way, less than half of the W-SS members were actually party members, that ought to tell the tale. Or to put it differently, except towards the very end, reg. SS and W-SS combat units were kept apart from each other – for very good reasons.
So, scene is set for the ODESSA. Very likely that they existed, the Nazis knew they faced legal actions by the Allies, so, obviously, they prepared to get away – which required an organization. Which was looking initially at Spain, but mostly to South America. Also, Arabs, that is Muslims. The logic with the latter being their deep rooted anti-Semitism, it worked.
That’s all I can say about ODESSA. I can only reason, they were certainly not publicity minded. Do they still exist? No idea, personally comment, if so than in nursing homes. Maybe they have rejuvenated in the Americas. Europe? No, definitely not. The current Nazi breed is in many ways different from the old one. Sometimes in minor details, sometimes in major issues. That’s what led to the term ‘Neo-Nazi’.
On to François Genoud. The guy was at the very least a Nazi sympathizer, more likely, in my opinion, he was one himself. Well, given what is known about him, I am sure of that. You know, looks like a duck, walks like… etc. He had several direct connections with them, handling their loot, whilst they, the Nazi refugees, required cash. Apart from that, he was close with Paula Hitler, Adolf’s sister, but how close I don’t know, nobody does. She herself was a German nationalist, simply a patriot, and that was it. She wasn’t into politics, which she disliked. So much indeed that she refused to join her brothers party, the NSDAP that is. Maybe François fancied her, could be, I don’t know. Here are a couple of pictures of her: tinyurl.com/jkmph9v & tinyurl.com/hzgvltb . She was arrested after the end, and released within days, she died around the late 50’s, or early 60s. Genoud’s connections with the Arabs were close, he was a Swiss banker, and many Arabs were hiding cash (taxes and other ‘incomes’) from their imperial overlords, that may also help to explain how or why quite a few went there. Genoud further was heavily involved with various Arab independence movements, to what extent I have no knowledge. So he had useful connections for his former clients – and then still account holders.
Now let’s come to the current, which is far more important, I think, than a bunch of skeletons.
And that means George Soros. Everyone’s favorite. Before continuing, remember please what I said in the previous parts about people, their motivations and their morals. And what I said about **understanding them**, and thus being able to deal with them and to anticipate their actions. See also Tsun, “The Art of War”. George Soros is usually portrayed as an evil Jew Kapo who looted his fellow Jews on behalf of the Nazis and thus got rich. And to this he is supposed to refer to as the happiest time in his life.
Err, no. There’s a flaw in the ointment. Remember what I said about connecting dots, lines and dates? George grew up in a family which he described as anti-Semitic, that’s correct. Yes, they were Jews, but that means nothing. Your Mom and Dad could have been baptised Christians and still be atheist. Far more importantly, at the end of WW2, he wasn’t even 15 years old… Doesn’t fit with the ‘evil Jewish Kapo’ selling out his own people, does it?
Let’s see how he grow up, the environment that formed him and forged his world view, and consequent political commitment. He grew up in a fundamentally anti Semitic society, Hungary, which readily allied itself with Nazi Germany, but with the approaching Russian troops became a resistance society… Shortly before the end of the war, the closer the Russians came, the Germans turned from allies (axis) into occupiers. It was during that period of time that his father helped Jews, and some others, to escape, most of them lawyers. It was watching his father’s heroism which he referred to as the “happiest time” of his life. Personally, I wonder a bit why his father helped so many well-to-do people to escape – and what they paid for the privilege. Though, there’s no evidence for that.
So, what did Soros jnr. See and experience? He saw nationalism and racism, so rampant in fact that his own family were against their own kind. When it was all over, he saw naked vengeance, coupled with ‘enrichments’ i.e., the ethnic cleansing of ordinary Germans; whilst some of “his own kind”, namely the ultra-Zionists, started to pump out the same racist and supremacy garbage that the Nazis produced. The communist liberators? Was hard to tell the difference between those “allies and liberators” and the previous “allies and occupiers”.
What do you think a young man’s reaction to all this is, particularly when that young man is intelligent and has high moral standards, and thus has a **strong sense of justice – with the corresponding aversion to injustice**? Can you begin to understand George Soros? That young man’s reaction was the utmost loathing of nationalism, racism (in whatever form, even ethnic differentiation) and “religionism” – for lack of a better word. To him, all that was utter hypocrisy. And he resolved to fight it. A resolve he put into practice and still maintains it, after so many years. Despite his age.
(The rest in part (b) below)
DFD says
Part (b) of part 3
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So now, he is fighting against all that, nationalism, racism/ethnic differentiation and “religionism”. As far as George Soros is concerned, he is indeed fighting for, what is in his eyes, a better, a safer world for all. By whatever means.
However, the results of his actions are, as far as we are concerned, evil, destructive and vile. Completely against our instincts, our values. No two ways about it. Of course and conversely, that’s what he thinks about our instincts and values. For him, there’s nothing more loathsome than these – because of his personal experiences and observations. As a for instance take a look at this: politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519 you may have to add the triple”w”dot. And ‘politico’ is definitely **not** sympathetic to us! And those who complain in there, “…how come an outsider is interfering in our justice affairs? So determinedly and with so much cash…” If they’d understand him they’d know the answer, he is fighting at all levels. For instance, he is supporting the ‘Black Lives Matter’ “movement”, and everybody is flabbergasted. How is that possible? He is white. No, definitely not! He is Jewish. No, definitely not! He **IS** George Soros, a very intelligent and capable man, cast and hammered into shape between the age of 0 and 17/18, very formative years. As an argument, or as an illustration, for this man the color of the skin is irrelevant, the color of the brain cells matter – and they are all grey, without exception.
And many of his followers and associates believe, and are convinced about ‘the cause and course’ as he is. Trudeau, Merkel, Clinton, etc. Also, a bit of cash doesn’t go amiss – hmh? Islam? As far as he is concerned, just another religion which will run its course, and sizzle out. In a 100 years? And if it takes a 1,000 years, so what! That’s how he looks at the world. As far as he, and the other “Black Block” people are concerned, Islam, should it be victorious, is the lesser evil. That’s all there is to their view. And that he enjoys power, yes, so do most people who have power. Makes them feel so righteous and exalted.
And the black Block is something we will look at next. In the meantime, don’t forget the power of money, and something else:
Expediency, convenience and requirement of a current or given situation.
US, Aramco, good idea – for oil. Unfortunately the Arabs/Muslims weren’t half as stupid as was assumed. Study Aramco’s history and you study how and why the US is so beholden to the Arab/Muslim interests in the gulf. Aramco stands for Arab American Oil Company, now 100% Saudi owned. Whoops, weren’t they supposed to be….? The company as such is no longer that significant for controlling Arabs and thus their oil. Now it is the other way round, read and learn.
Expediency? Winston Churchill on Islam/Muslims:
““How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.”
“It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population. Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy. Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis – as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such. While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasy of religious bloodthirstiness, poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder and the joy of fighting. Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Sudan break the British squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide. In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mohammedanism. Etc.
Yup, same Winston who armed millions of Muslims to fight for ‘The Motherland’, the empire. And which he allowed into the country, oh well… So, that’s Winston, who said that in order to defeat Germany, he’d cut a deal with the devil himself, which he did. OK, wasn’t the devil, it was Mohamed. Let’s hear what the good man had to say about the Jews:
W Churchill in 1920, in an article on the then recent Bolshevik seizure of Russia. After praising what he called the “national Jews” of Russia, he said, source below: “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. . . In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by the Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every bit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.” (“Zionism Versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People.” Illustrated Sunday Herald, London, February 8, 1920).
Yup, same Winston. Do you notice something? In case you didn’t, the Jews were influential in Britain at that time, the Muslims weren’t…. I wonder what he’d say today. “Allahu Akbar?”
Should any body wonder why I have such a sarcastic, and black humored view on and about politics, and those who practice it. Now you know, and that’s just one reason…
Shall we continue? Any comments?
Oh, and Mac, here is one specifically for you 🙂
“We can have a democratic society or we can have the concentration of great wealth in the hands of the few. We cannot have both.” – – Louis Brandeis, Supreme Court Justice from 1916-1939
I trust this one was definitely in your alleyway.
Mac-101 says
DFD , Thanks, Very interesting.
DFD says
Mac-101
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I am no sure if your reply meant interested in more or not.
It is a bit of an effort to excerpt and to modify, it comes from my writing on the upcoming civil wars, financial and political backgrounds and ramifications. Unfortunately another chap, well respected historian actually, is even more pessimistic. Never mind that for the time being, I’d be interested in some feed back since this will go onto a website, and I am also being paid for it.
So the next part would be more on Soros, this time Soros the evil one – and they don’t come worse than that. His network, NOGs, etc. Plus links to a website that will send you haywire, banks, NGOs, wars, links within links and sources, etc. et cetera est. Plus some other links, because we’d be entering the “Black Block”, that’s what they call themselves and that’s what they are being referred to.
Also, we will have to look at the so called “Deep State” in the US – and you will get an idea of who else is involved with Merkel and the actual, **really severe opposition** Trump is facing.
So, there’s a lot more, and from now on it gets hairy, very much so, lots of regressive things, because there’s so much overlapping. Disinformation campaigns, etc. I’d like some feed back, if pos.
So, let me know.
In the meantime a couple of teasers, and with the first one we are already looking at deep state, US.
To get your head spinning:
Here’s the first one, a high ranking US politician, very, very high ranking, states that Hitler was a good man, that future historians will have to work hard to understand his genius and that his system of government and political ideology is the best for Germany. His family has a history of Anti-Semitism, but is very influential. So he is a loony, but now consider that this guy can actually start a nuclear war by firing US missiles against Russia, China or even both. Would it be right to bump him off or not? Interesting no? It’s a teaser, but the man and his powers are not! They are real. What should be done about him, and his ambitious, power hungry (?) family members. Can you guess whom I talking about?
Next one, let’s go back to WW2, end of it. Then Hitler and Goring tried to convince the allies to team up with Germany in it’s fight against the Russians. The allied leadership, Roosevelt/Truman and Churchill, wouldn’t have any of it. However, after the German army capitulated (Germany did not, the 3rd Reich still exists and is the legal German state. The Bundesrepublik is a construct, it has peace treaties with the eastern powers, but not with the western powers, that includes the US, Britain etc. In the UN Germany is still classed as a hostile state at war – no kidding. Deep State/US; Black Block/international… The Bundesrepublik is however indirectly on the UN security council of the five permanent members with veto rights, hence you read frequently about the “5+1”, it has to do with money/commerce in case you wondered). Right scene is set, so back to the second teaser: The Wehrmacht has surrendered unconditionally, and, before the Nurnberg trials even begin, a very high ranking allied commander comes up with precisely the Hitler-Goring plan. Codswallop! Unthinkable even? Given those times an the political situation. Be that as it may, he actually proposed to rearm the Wehrmacht, restart the German armament industry, and attack together, with allied troops, US, British and French, the Russians; under allied command of course. You think that’s unthinkable? (pun intended, after I used the word above). Let’s continue to think the unthinkable, and worst comes to worse, he proposes or does not rule out to nuke Moscow. His reasoning, Stalin is far worse than Hitler was and the Russians are the ultimate thread. I know it’s unthinkable, but think about it 🙂 , question: Did he exist? And who would be your candidate for such… Well, I think ‘unthinkable’ is the right word for such a proposal. Who could be so mad – or stupid if you prefer; real or false? Who, if real? (PS: Sorry about the wordplay’s, couldn’t resist)
Angemon says
Hi DFD. I apologize for going off-topic, but are you still working on your writings?
DFD says
High Angemon,
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Please don’t apologize. Yes I do. It has been completely restructured, and I will take a page/site with wordpress or wix. Or maybe both, linking these, there are lots of videos now. And so, there is space requirement.
It has been restructured, and I am re-writing, as well as writing new, further parts. That was or is necessary since I attracted payment for my studies. Always nice. Unfortunately ‘they’ are insisting also on some redactions, not so nice. Meaning they have first read.
So, sorry for the delay. Also, I have to learn how to use this wordpress and wix thing. THANK YOU for pointing out and alarming that my email address was published on that cloud side from google… Would you believe it, I am still getting requests for accessing the site, the last one was about 3 weeks ago. Incredible.
Anyway, below the new structure – so far…
Incidentally, the three parts above, addressed to Mac-101 and a young Turkish man by name of ‘somebody’, are actually modified excerpts of the Document ‘1’ listed below in the structure.
Any comments for the three parts above? Part 1 begins here http://tinyurl.com/zqnno5o and then scroll down, if interested. You know that I do value your opinion.
Well below, in a separate post marked for you, the current structure….
Angemon says
DFD posted:
“Please don’t apologize. Yes I do. It has been completely restructured, and I will take a page/site with wordpress or wix. Or maybe both, linking these, there are lots of videos now. And so, there is space requirement.”
Glad to hear it. And yes, a website is probably the best option to combine text and video on an easily accessible format.
DFD says
For Angemon
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The structure, current, perhaps temporarily……………
Section 1 is titled
“S1, About Islam and the Prophet”,
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Contents:
Mostly written for newbies to Islam, though those who know may find several references to various hadithes and other matters in their historical context very interesting. Also, it contains an index to the Koran in its original and current form, PLUS an ORIGINAL Koran in its original sequence. I.e., prior to the re-arrangement by Caliph Usman/Uthman. Also, a modern Koran, by Pickthall and THE Hadithes, collected by Bukhari, all 1,700 pages. That is for the very patient ones among you. it contains the following documents (so far).
Intro, Part 1 Islam, and its effects, overview
Intro, Part 2 Islam, Taqyia, Hijra & Jihad
Intro, Part 3 Islam, Concession upon Concession
Intro, Part 4 Islam, Phases of Jihad
Intro, Part 5 Islam, Or Can You Trust …??
Koran Actual Chronology INDEX
Koran itself, CHRONOLOGICAL, prior to rearrangement
Koran Pickthall
Hadith (The) by Sahi Al Bukhari, 9 volumes, 1700 pages
Section 2 is titled:
“S2, For Muslims, Mainly”
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It is written primarily for Muslims, from a Christian point of view. It contains the following documents (so far):
1) For Muslims, THE CONTRADICTION
2) For Muslims, Mohammed, False Prophet or not
The 1st doc deals with one (of the many) contradiction in the Koran and why Muslims should, if they are truthful, leave Islam as a consequence – according to the Koran.
The 2nd doc deals with Mohammed, his madness/possession, the killing of Mohammed and the stand-in. I.e., why there had to be two ‘real’ Mohammeds, plus the scribes. Refer here also to the video titled: “Mohammeds, one of many, Abdullah ibn Abi Sarh.mp4”, one of his scribes who defected after disillusionment and whom he had murdered.
Section 3 is titled
“S3, The Civil Wars”
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containing the following documents (so far):
Civil war, 0, Money, Money, Money
Civil war, 1, Political Scene
Civil war, 2, The Beginning (Germany & Europe)
Civil war, 3, The Spread, US and Europe
Civil war, 4, The possible and likely outcomes
Document ‘0’ deals with the monetary influence of the gulf countries, US_European NGO’s are not included, these are in document ‘1’.
Document ‘1’ deals with the political scene. Conspiracy and the reality. Also included are the current actors, apart from the Arabs which have been dealt with in doc ‘0’. There is a built up about people and perceptions in general. Then a closer look at NGO’s and other organizations, banks, governments etc. Links thereto. Essentially the good, or relatively and the bad – and the ugly. Motivations, intentions and results, as far as cab be gauged and ascertained. There are also causes, long term policies, manipulations and so on, and so forth.
Documents ‘2’ and ‘3’ are obvious from their titles. Document ‘4’ deals with possible results, and likely results.
“S4, Videos etc.”
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The documents in here are, so far:
Cw EU, Play 1 – Europe in 2020.mp4
Cw EU, Play 2 – Europe in 2029.mp4
Cw EU, Play 3 – Europe in 2035.mp4
The above are video constructions, I.e. plays on a “what-if-basis”.
Cw USA, 1 – No Go’s & Muhajadeen Training Camps.mp4
(Not available to US Viewers ?)
This video is about current no go zones in the US, locations of Muhajadeen training camps in the US etc.
Plus a host of other, relevant videos.
Mohammeds, one of many, Abdullah ibn Abi Sarh.mp4
Fun section of videos:
z Fun, For yr Amusement – America Is German, Facts On America’s Crazy Heritage.mp4
z Ode to Muhammad.mp4 (Original on Latma TV, Israel)
z SATIRE, The United Nations Calls Islamic State.mp4
z interview with US Soldier – latmaTV.mp4 (Original on Latma TV, Israel. Not available to US Viewers, normally)
z The Iranian bomb – The song.mp4 (Original on Latma TV, Israel)
z A love song to Obama with thanks.mp4 (Original on Latma TV, Israel)
z The Three Terrors_.mp4 (Original on Latma TV, Israel)
Angemon says
Ha ha, from the title alone, I can safely say I know what almost all those videos are – other than “America Is German”, I know them almost by heart 🙂
Anyway, that’s quite a daunting task, to organize and comment on so much material. I take my hat to you.
DFD says
Mac-101
No, I’m not American. OK.
But if you are so keen and interested as you say, how about my two teasers above. What’s your guess who?
Mac-101 says
Hating on you Bro. Gittin paid to write what you do. I spend about 3 to 5 hours a day doin it because I feel compelled out of Patriotism and my belief we are fighting Satan’s NWO preparing for the Beast to rule the world for his allotted 42 month period till Christ returns. .
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We are about 90% convergent on ideas. However I believe Trump is our last hope and we only got a 50/50 chance that he is real and NOT controlled opposition. If he is real he will git Heart Attacked, Stroked Out or just plain JFKed soon. Pence is a total Globalist and will pick up their banner.
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I will write more on this thread if you wish or pick it up elsewhere will you will git more viewership. But beware, I’ve been banned about 3 times on Jihad Watch for just being a conspiracy nut and NOT threatening or anything else. I’m still banned on Atlas Shrugged for about 3 years now along with most of ALL of the regular Lib MSM sites.
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Most of my comments are on Discus under Mac-101.
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You’re definitely on the right track though. The funny thing is as Evil as Hitler was, he is small potatoes compared to Marx/Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin or Mao and his Chi-Com’s still in power!
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Follow da money and it ALL flows to ALL of the above scum!
DFD says
Mac-101
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Let’s get something right: I write what I think is right, conclusions which I have reached after study and analysis.
THESE ARE ALL MY VIEWS AND THOUGHTS!
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Not a single word is something I was told to write, **not one**!
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What that particular party has a right to, where my writings are concerned, is this: The have first right to read. The can insist, to an extent, that I redact certain passages. These refer to matters which could actually be detriment to **our** interests. For instance, I had to remove ‘thoughts’ about a certain type of explosive.
Once again, every word is mine, nothing has been dictated to me. What I am also not permitted, unless specifically allowed, is to write about matters, that is to say to publicise matters given to me by that… organization. Matters about which they want my opinion, the information thereto is theirs, not mine. And they, like everybody else, can make and arrange for confidentiality and non-disclosure clauses in reference to their property.
But what I write is mine, I can publish in any form I want to – and am even paid for it. As long as my writing cannot cause harm to others, inspire harm or lawlessness. Apart from that, no restriction, except that they can read it first.
If you want to blame me for that, go right ahead. If you do agree with most of what I say, or like it, read on. Whatever. If you wish to comment on it, welcome!
The only comment, at least lengthy one, upon my work is that you condemn me that certain people find my work, my thoughts, so interesting that they pay me for it. And have first view. If that’s bad… Well, I am not Diogenes.
Mac-101 says
DFD, I was jokin Bro. Are you an American? Hatin on someone is kinda like laughingly sayin your jealous in a light hearted way.
DFD says
Mac-101
(Sory, didn’t see the reply button…)
No, I’m not American. OK.
But if you are so keen and interested as you say, how about my two teasers above. What’s your guess who?
Mac-101 says
Replied below. Like you I didn’t notice that for some reason the Reply button was added after a couple days of NOT being there. LOL!
Mac-101 says
First as you say, Black Bloc, as is reported in the USA, is mostly funded by Soros. Soros is the main man in FRONT of the curtain. Who is behind it? I only have a vague idea. Merkel is working hard to destroy Germany and the entire Western Civilization with the importation of Muslims just as the Democrats and Republican establishment is attempting to do with illegal and Muslim refuges. Basically to create KAOS. Out of KAOS, ORDER. And THEY will provide the order.
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First Teasers:”It’s a teaser, but the man and his powers are not! They are real. What should be done about him, and his ambitious, power hungry (?) family members. Can you guess whom I talking about?” I do NOT know who you are referring to. I will assume it is Trump.
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Trump;
1.Donated significantly MORE to the Democrats than the Republicans. When asked about this he replied. “Ya gotta PAY to PLAY in Chicago and NYC”. Truthful answer. Best I know he was NEVER asked that again!
2. Best friend of the Clintons for years. Hillary sat in the first row of his last weeding and I believe Bill went to the reception with her. Chelsea is BFF with Trumps daughter.
3. Bill Clinton talked to Trump the night before Trump announced he was running for President.
4. Trump went bankrupt 3 or 4 times for Billions. Let me go bankrupt and I can not get a loan for an old car, let alone 10 Billion for another project. Evidently the BANKSTER Elites must like him or trust him.
5.. The more the media attacked Trump the stronger he got. The MSM isn’t stupid. They would have figured that out about half way through the Primary. If it was their intention to have Trump win the primary so THEY could destroy him in the general election, they should have figured out by August that the constant attacks in the general election were strengthening Trump, not weakening him.
6. Lastly, Soros wrote off a 100 to 300 MILLION dollar loan Trump owed him on the Chicago Trump Tower back in 2007 and it was reported in 2008. Long before Trump announced his ambition to become President. As a side note, Soros hated Bush II and spent something like 30 Million to defeat him. While back when Bush II had his failed Energy/Oil company the Saudis bailed him out for something like 10 times what it was worth. Supposedly Soros controlled 51% of that Saudi Company that bought Bush II out. So what is true?
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Also, Trump has surrounded himself with Jewish business partners and opened up his first Florida Golf Course to Jews. His mentor in his beginning days was supposedly Roy Cohen. A real piece of work. And since he has been on record, Israel has never had a stronger supporter not to mention his daughter became a Jew and married the son of a convicted Jewish felon banker just like Clinton’s daughter did! So I’d have to say Trump is NOT anti-Semitic.
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So I give Trump a 50/50 chance of being real and NOT Controlled Opposition. However I support him 100% since he is our only Earthly hope against the Evil Elites who are out to establish their NWO and control us ALL. It appears it will get real ugly soon. I hope we can avoid it.
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It is getting real late for me and I am extremely tired. I’m not sure what Teaser 2 question is. It is plain that the EU was an offshoot of the NAZI plan to create a Greater Europe thorough the NAZI SS Colonel husband of the Queen Beatrice(?) with their Bilderbergers. International Bankers funded Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and Hitler! THEY are now funding the dismantling of the Western Civilization so THEY can control it completely.
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It has to be Satanically driven to bring about the End Times. WWIII is part of the plan, the wiping clean the ME and making Jerusalem the center for World Government, Finance and rebuild the Temple for Satan’s Beast’s 42 month rule of the NWO with Islam as the forced religion of the Beast.
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Bed Time!
DFD says
Mac-101
OK pal, here we go, the links should work by simply pasting:
Teaser 1, I hope you’re sitting comfortably, take a deep breath: John F. Kennedy. Yup, **THE JFK**, darling of all the righteous people, et cetera est… Links: tinyurl.com/juhatsa
I bet you didn’t think about that one, am I right? Yes, I am.
Teaser 2, The allied commander who wanted to do the unthinkable, rearm the Wehrmacht and attack the Russians. Winston Churchill and his “Operation Unthinkable”. Links: tinyurl.com/gu5ndox
You tell that to anyone and they will call you the father of all conspiracy nuts… 🙂
BTW, if you want to know a bit more about the “Black Block”, I pointed some posters to a few links. Namely here: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/just-one-in-five-foreign-rapists-in-sweden-are-ever-deported-to-their-home-countries/comment-page-1#comment-1630380 You will find in particular the last two links there to be of interest, they deal with exactly the issue. That is the School of Frankfurt, foundation of the black block.
OK, what I have given you to read so far goes into my writings on the civil wars. And it belongs into something called: “Civil war, 1, Political Scene”. This also deals, extensively with conspiracies, theories and real, how they overlap. A taster sentence: “….US president Franklin D. Roosevelt: “Whatever happens in politics, be sure it has been planned.”
The final part in there is completed, and I will transmit it below. It’s titled “The Rise of the Führers:” Unfortunately, typesetting, italics etc., is lost here, but you are an intelligent fellow, so no problem. Again, a bit long, so an ‘a & b’ division is necessary. Transmission restrictions on length. You may have seen a small section of it before, posted by me on JW, this one below is the full whack chapter. It also deals with Trump and the upcoming elections in Europe.
Once you are through all this, let me know, I will then transmit, part 0, titled: “Civil war, 0, Money, Money, Money”. You will find this very, very interesting. Trust me. Once done, I will have cobbled ““Civil war, 1, Political Scene” together and transmit it, minus the sections you already know.
What I am interested in are your comments, views thereto. For instance, I found the points you made about Trump very interesting, and trust, you will have no objection for me to incorporate some of this into the “The Rise of the Führers:” – which is below…
Have fun.
DFD says
The Rise of the Führers: (Part a)
The current crop of politicians who are opposed to the process of ultra left-wing politics and Islamization can be doubted. To say the least. At the time of writing this, 2016/2017 the situation in Europe is one of election jitters, it is early 2017. In England there wont be elections for quiet a while, and the country has practically become a one-party state. Not by a coup, but by the inept politics of the labour party. The Tory party is essentially following an outwardly nationalistic, self interested course, for the voter. But for practical purposes the party is ‘internationalist free trade’; and damn everything else. Other opposition does not really exist, it is negligible. Further, a democracy requires an upper and a lower house, a balance, a check of powers. There is now talk about dissolving the upper house, the excuse being Brexit. If that happens, then British democracy ceases to exist. The house of Commons will essentially become a politburo.
On the mainland elections are looming. It is possible that in France Le Pen may win, but she does not offer any solution to the problem that concerns the people. Namely the rapid Islamization of France. France is by now in a state of emergency for well over a year, over a million soldiers are on the streets, soldiers! Not policemen. For nearly a month there were in 25 towns and areas civil war like riots and unrests. Le Pen actively courts the so called modest Muslim vote – a person is either a Muslim, following the Koran and the prophet, or not. There is no in between, as has been asserted again and again by Muslim political leaders and by every Muslim clergy. What is le Pen offering the French people? Taking France out of NATO and holding a plebiscite about the Euro and EU membership. Action on minor or secondary concerns. She will make good runner-up to whoever wins the election. Further to the east, the Netherlands. Strongest candidate, Gert Wilders. What can he achieve, despite or given all his rhetoric and promises? Nothing. He is forecast to obtain 29 seats – out of 150… Even if that gives the highest single concentration of seats for a single party, his, he faces an opposition of 131 to 29! He couldn’t even determine the color of the toilet rolls in the Dutch parliament. All parties have stated there will not be a coalition with him. Around 2005, I think, there was a similar party to his, with nearly identical demands or promises. The achieved 25 seats, strongest showing. Though, not enough to govern. Incidentally, their party leader was murdered. Germany, the AfD witnesses an internal power struggle, and has no single leader to provide leadership. That is to say it’s currently a debating club. And the voters don’t like it. They were on second and third place, a party that’s just about four years old! And now they are sliding…
Over to the US: What is Trump, leader of the western powers, doing to help his European friends and well wishers? Showing an act of solidarity? No. Inviting them to the white house? No. Anything at all? No. He certainly appears to be keen on strong enemies, and weak allies. Well, for that he is holding hands with Theresa May, under whose auspices the sharia courts in Britain have more than doubled. And whenever she meets Muslims, in whatever function, she is a dutiful and obedient dhimmy, wearing a hijab… Encore! So, what significant change can be expected from Trump? I don’t dare guessing, he took four ex-Goldman Sachs managers into his cabinet. One of which is ex-Soros. Ex-Soros? Hmh. Doesn’t he understand that the Soros NGO’s are ideological based institutions? Further, he ordered a plan how to deal with ISIS, even I was excited, gave standing ovation, spiritually from afar that is. So what came of it? A watered-down and modified version of what was planned under Obama… However, I have no doubt he will affect noticeable changes about Mexican immigration. Who knows, may be even significant changes. Achievements so far, March 2017, he backed down before China; something about which the Chinese media was outright jubilant. Russia/Putin? No change. Well, still early days, and he has to fight the deep state – the very one that’s fighting him. And may be, just may be, he may realize that he needs strong, friendly allies. Should he realize that, then let us hope that he will do so in time…
Back to Europe: What do the mainstream parties on the mainland offer the voters on Islam? The possibility (!) of a prohibition of the Burka. Incredible, the house is on fire and they want to put up no-smoking signs. The voters concern about immigration? Every month tens of thousands from Africa, Arabia and Asia, if not a hundred thousand. Now they are repatriating, about 50 to 100 of these per month, And that is celebrated in the main stream media as if we landed on Mars and found the key to eternal life… I wonder, do people become more stupid when elections are approaching? I apologize profusely, that would of course be against our values. Hah! Harharhar-hardiharhar! Our values. I just love that bit…
Now let us be cheerful and assume that all three parties win, in such manner, so overwhelmingly that they are capable to govern without having to form a coalition. Then they will have to fight through nearly all institutions and departments, since these are occupied and staffed by the left and the ultra left. And not one of those victors has the guts for purges. They will all ‘play by the rules’ – and will be sabotaged, dragged into endless procedures and processes. In other words, no change.
In the US the newly elected president Trump is experiencing precisely that. He started some replacements, but not a single purge. The previous president continues to fight him actively, and so does his previous opponent from the democratic party. The press is launching one staggering hate campaign after another against him. And not ‘just’ the American press, nay! The European press as well, from Lisbon to Berlin. Eastern Europe being the only exception. The British press isn’t any different either, one well meaning article, sweet sounding or at least reasonable – then ten pages of hate. As the Frankfurters, the Black Block, said, they will march into the institutions and occupy the positions of control. And so they have. Donald Trump is a business man, will he do purges? Will he fight, well he has to, will he or can he win against what is in America known as the ‘Deep State’? Doubtful. Donald Trump vs the deep state, and the press, and the former president, and the opposition leader… Have a wild guess. Any bets? If so, remember, odds and chances are not the same thing.
cntnd below……..
DFD says
The Rise of the Führers: (Part b)
Be certain, have no doubt, the Führers are watching. And the mood in the population, brooding, despair, anger and suppressed rage. Yes, the Führers are watching, and calculating their chances. Assume the military having to take control, their instinct, being western Europeans, will be to reinstate a democratic government as soon as possible, if not maintaining an emergency one outright, in parallel with military rule. Only problem, to which one of these weaklings and bickerers will a general give power? If I were a general and forced to take power, my answer would be: “Not to one of those polit-clowns!” Even as a general I would not want to see Europe, or European nations run by the army, I think or at least hope that we are past that, but I would most certainly look for somebody who can provide civilian leadership. Can you see one in Europe? None with search lights and infrared? Try a microscope…
And in the US, Trump? Can you see him signing lists of, you know…. I can’t. By the way, Antifa in Germany alone has about 25,000 members.
I used the term ‘Führer’ deliberately. To denote a leader whom, at this point in time, nobody wants, or only very few. The question is, given the current circumstances and the accelerating pace of development, will this Führer be Plato’s (or even Nietzsche’s) benign dictator, as Cincinatus was, celebrated by the Americans by naming a city after him, or will he be a tyrant? He will certainly be of conservative to right wing background, and here the questions are: How far to the right will he or she be, and the same question holds true for the immediate personnel surrounding such a Führer. These are nearly as important as he, if not more so. And what will he or she do once firmly established in power?
He can easily rise in the US just as well. The notion of “…oh we have security, homeland, police, military…” So do we in Europe. Meaningless, only works in a controllable, non-chaotic situation. A Führer needs only a few percent of such institutions/forces behind him, then he can take power. The bulk of such institutions or organizations will follow, the ‘top-down’ structure and the hierarchies will make sure of that, they are designed that way. They have carry out, they have to obey the orders of their superiors, otherwise they would not be police, security, or military type forces; nor would they be governmental organizations. Simple as that. Have a look at the history of coup de etat’s, putsches, power grabs, there’s plenty.
Can’t happen in the US? A most sad smile to that. Have a look at the way the US police is rapidly developing… Can’t happen in the US? Like rapes in public, naaahhhh, we have the second amendment, we carry cocked and locked…. Again, nonsense. All one needs is to have a look at events in Minnesota, from mid 2016 onward – and there’s going to be more of this, much more, Trump or not. Refer to “Why More Riots Are Coming Soon.webm” in the video section. The Muslims cannot turn back, the Jihad is running. And many, many of its soldiers are utterly ill-disciplined riff-raff! The American Senate? Humpf! They will do as much as the British Parliament did when Cromwell marched the Army into the chamber. They may wave papers and shout protest, but against the rifles or sub-machine guns, the American Senate will do as much as the Commons did against the muskets, swords and hell-beards, nothing.
Before I define Führer, let’s set the scene.
The views of the public, more importantly, their emotions and the resultant views. In midsummer 2016 I met an elderly couple from Bradford, I live in a tourist area in the UK, a conversation developed and they were very cagey with answers and comments when I referred to Islam – understandably. In Bradford the churches are behind bars, fences and even barbed wire, church attendance, barely. Defiling of churches, i.e., throwing garbage over the fences, filth and eggs against the windows and walls, practically daily. That couple was late war or early post war generation, that is to say a good deal older than I was. They grew up with Churchill being the next best thing to The Saviour, the empire is great, etc. When they felt secure with me, a comment or question finally came out; he asked me this: “When push comes to shove, what will you chose, Allahu Akbar or Sieg Heil? We know what we will chose.” I didn’t know what to reply. I just didn’t, I was stunned. And the way he asked, and her facial expression, like a child taking the attitude: “Now I do especially so!”
A few months thereafter I had a get together, with some associates and friends, married as well as unmarried. Three of them (two married couples and one single man, thus 5 in total) are Freemasons, a people persecuted by the Nazis. The theme turned to Islam. One of the masons said: “I’d wish Hitler would have left bloody Russia alone and sorted things out over here first.” I was perplexed, that from a free mason! The others, free masons as well as the non masons agreed verbally or by nodding, not a single voice of opposition or refusal. Instead: “…we need someone like him.” …. “Yeah, and not only in England…” And from the neighbouring two tables there came nodding, or commenting of approval or agreement. Then the looks turned to me, I am Anglo-German, I did not know what to say. I merely pointed out that the first victims of any tyrant are invariably his own people, the Germans were the ones who suffered most under the Nazis. No response to that, instead they continued along the given lines. And I am talking middle England and your *classical or typical* Englishman and woman!
Same on various European websites, usual refrain, “…I’ll sooner a later will be a Nazi. Newspapers and TV call me Nazi and racist, and the politicians do the same … so I well be one/become one/I’m thinking about it…” Along these lines. If somebody would have told me that ten or twenty years ago, I would not have believed it. Note, pulling these people, lost sheep, pulling them back and redirecting them, is not easy, believe me.
If you think that’s flabbergasting, consider this, RAI, Italian news, year 2016: http://tinyurl.com/h929ch5
“Mein Kampf” was either the favourite reading or among the top ten favourite readings for a number of Italian schoolchildren. And not just in a single one particular or peculiar region. No, that was established with or in classes in Palermo, Catanzaro (Calabria), Potenza (Basilicata), Tivoli and Gaeta (Lazio), Trieste, Udine (Fruili-Venezia Giulia), and Piacenza (Emilia Romagna). Have a look at the link, you don’t need to speak Italian to understand.
whoops – has to be in three parts, transmission restrictions…. Part “c” below….
DFD says
The Rise of the Führers: (Part c)
The atmosphere is brooding, for lack of a better word. So, what would be expected of a Führer? And by now I use that term deliberately. What is expected is a solution to the Muslim problem, that’s essentially it, as far as I can gauge. At least, I hope it’s not more. When I raise in conversations, direct or via the net, that this or such a man would be required to fill trains, even freight trains with Muslims, deport them or confine them into transit camps for later transport out by barge or similar, the answer is always: “Yeah, that’s about it.” No qualms, and they knew what I was referencing. And I didn’t come up with that, I received that as an answer to one of my questions thereto, and now I use it as part of my questions to others. When stating that their desired Führer may not stop there once in power, the usual reply, with some variations: “So what?! I want to live a normal life, I don’t want to be afraid (for myself, my children etc.), I want to celebrate Christmas and holidays as I am used to. I don’t want that halal crap. And always that bloody: ‘I am offended’ …So as not to offend Muslim sensibilities” And on and on and on. The hatred in the eyes and voices of ordinary people, when they speak about those endless “Muslim sensibilities” is staggering.
The potential Führers I mentioned initially (above) are the tolerable or acceptable ones, but who knows what’s waiting in the wings, or what will come to the fore once the situation blows. And it will!
There are a number of people who equate Islam with Nazism/Fascism, how evil Nazism is or was, that Hitler had a few SS-divisions (never minding the few million Muslims mobilized by Churchill, De Gaulle and Roosevelt – and who showed their ‘gratitude’ for that towards the empires in no uncertain terms), all that means nothing to the people. And their number grows, wherever one looks. They don’t seem to form movements, nor do they seem to be willing to join parties. In a way, it is very strange. Or at least, it appears to me as strange.
Force the people of Europe into either an ‘Allahu Akbar’ or ‘Sieg Heil’ choice, I can tell you exactly what the majority will chose, today already. At best ten years, and someone who says: “Give me the power, and I will solve the problem in one go! Yes! It will be bitter medicine, but the disease is worse. Do you want to continue to suffer the disease? If not, follow me!” He will get the power, have no doubt. And the media and the politicians are forcing that situation relentlessly. Worrying? Now? Yes. But in ten years or so? Perhaps we will replace the word ‘worry’ with ‘hope’. Who knows? Moral guidance? The churches are practically denying Jesus and invite Imams into the churches to pray – and many of their prayers curse Christians and Jews. It is eerie. There is some sort of a sense of foreboding.
Do you think all this is depressing? In February 2017 a Dr David, I believe of the Netherlands or was it Denmark?, of classical studies came to exactly the same conclusions that I have reached here and described. Though, from a completely different perspective, namely the fall of the Roman Republic. And he cited the similarities, practically identical, point upon point, currency, voting chaos, lack of responsibilities and accountability (Brussels for us), and so on and so forth. Not a single sheet of news on papyrus posted at a triple road junction, Trivia, that even remotely resembled a divergence of opinion…
He too thinks that the rise of Führers is inevitable, but far more worrying, he thinks a Super Führer is a distinct possibility, yes, an Emperor. Because many Europeans are not willing to give up the Union. In Britain the Brexit vote was ultra close, 48% contra, 52% pro.
What else, can we cling to something? Ah, our values. What values and which ones? Most of these are gone, or literally perverted. Gender mainstream, for children from 4 years on! Gender is a social construct, don’t you know? Has nothing to do with nature – with what? ‘Get out of here with these outdated concepts, you are living in the past.’ In the first few days of March 2017 a prayer meeting of pro-lifers, about ten people, was attacked in Germany by Antifa. Injuries, stone throwing, insults, obscenities; arrests: None. Persecution, none. The MSM, not interested – after all, these weren’t Muslims praying for Allah’s curse upon the Christians, were they? What was the Telegraph or the Guardian writing about Christians, approximately a year or two ago? Quoting from memory: “Christians are socially awkward. They are Nazis with pin-stripes and crosses.”
Be sure, the Führers are watching. And they are not in the far-right-wing mini parties, be sure of that too. A Führer wont stem from these, he needs widespread, public support.
Talk about living in interesting times.
DFD says
OK Pal, let me know when you’re ready to continue
Salute
Mac-101 says
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LB says
There’s just one problem if you really do end up rebelling against Erdogan. He is a muslim, so automatically he has the option to invoke his muslim victim privilege by saying how these vile seculars are slaughtering and raping poor innocent muslims in the streets, instantly granting him the support of UN and every single leftist in the world.
It would be the same model as in Palestine-Israel and Kosovo-Serbia conflict, except in the later case the fake victim cries of Kosovo Albanians actually gained military support from the US / NATO. While I doubt that same would happen with Trump now in charge, having every single leftist-run Western country (as well as every islamic country) condemn your every action and label you with all kinds of negative names (like Israel and Serbia did) will diminish almost every chance of succeeding in your efforts.
Which is why the only correct path to take is to first gain IRREFUTABLE evidence of Erdogan’s wrong-doings, something which he cannot dismiss as propaganda or have some poor sap take the fall for him (i.e videos of him in his private rape dungeon or something), and present it to the world on every platform possible. And then maybe, just MAYBE his muslim victimhood privilege might not be enough to gain protection from the leftists. But even that is a long-shot.
Somebody says
Yes unfortunately we are aware of the fact, but enough is enough. Erdogan is a dictator all of the west know this, they can at least start an embargo on his regime.. Is this too much?
At the end muslims will play the victimhood taqiyya forever, it is their strategy against the infidels..
I wish we can exterminate all of them.
Peggy says
It really won’t matter if he is exposed or not because western countries are governed by the same scum.
There is no difference between, Merkel or Erdogan. Both are a disaster. Both want their citizens enslaved and both are using the same methods, i.e. Islam.
gravenimage says
I would love to see Turkey at least as comparatively secular was it was in the ’60s and ’70s–but right now almost every part of the Muslim world is further Islamizing.
Eric Jones says
To Somebody,
I share your sentiments and would like to see you acheive victory. After Erdogan and Gulen islamizing Turkey, Turkey is no longer the secular state it once was. Is the Turkish army still secular or have they been islamized? Don’t look for help from the USA. Too many in the USA government think Erdogan is an ally. I can only wish you the best.
Eric
gravenimage says
I know that the Turkish military has been heavily purged. It is not the bulwark of secularism that it once was.
Peggy says
Especially after the failed coup.
gravenimage says
True, Peggy.
Somebody says
Current army commander of Turkey prays 5 times a day, but still half of the army are secular. Still I can not trust 100 %. Very complicated, I would not count on them as partners.
Eric Jones says
The USA should close all miltary assets in Turkey and move them to Greece. Kick Turkey out of NATO. Do not allow Turkey in the EU. All nations need to know that islamist do not honor any treaties with infidels.
Eric
Somebody says
It may be true. I love USA but I can not trust my own people anymore.
gravenimage says
Turkey defies US/UK coalition against the Islamic State, attacks the Yazidis instead
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This is horrifying–but knowing Muslim Turkey’s grim history, does not at all surprise.
Peggy says
So what’s NATO going to do about Turkey then? Can’t bomb a member country.
gravenimage says
Turkey should not be part of NATO.
Baucent says
It’s a very complicated mix of ethnic and religious rivalry. The Kurds, who are lauded as the West’s most reliable muslim partner, cannot be fully trusted either. Recently it was reported that the Christian Iraqis from the villages near Mosul were being held virtually as captive by the Kurds in Irbil. They are not allowed to return to the Ninevah plain “because it is still too dangerous”. Others on the ground disagree and believe the Kurds want to keep the indigenous population of Christians and Yazidis out, so the Kurds can expand into Ninevah as part of the dreamed of Kurdish state.
gravenimage says
All true, Baucent. Right now, the Kurds–like Assad in Syria–are for political reasons less genocidal towards Christians and other religious minorities, but they are still supremacist Muslims, and often act like it.
When Christians in Kurdistan have not voted in Iraqi elections as the Kurds would like, they have been intimidated and beaten. Of course, by the hideous standards of the region this is still “moderate”–but this shows how low our standards are for Muslim behavior.
Somebody says
Turks learned islam from the Kurds, half of the Kurds are also ultra islamist.
gravenimage says
Yes–many in the West believe that all Kurds are “moderate” Muslims–but this is hardly the case.
Peggy says
Whatever the reason for Assad not to persecute Christians is fine as long as he stays that way.
Not only is he not murdering Christians but his army liberated a Christian village from Jihadists.
Whatever his motivation was is not important right now as long as he continues to do this.
Yes, they are all the same in the way they look down on us and want to control us so there are no good options over there so we must then support the least harmful to non Muslims option which is Assad We simply don’t have any other options there.
Assad is not stupid. He knows that his best deal is to play nice with non Muslims. Until there is real reform of Islam (not holding my breath) we need dictators like Assad to keep damage to non Muslims to a minimum.
gravenimage says
Yes–right now Assad is somewhat less bad than many others in the region.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Whatever the reason for Assad not to persecute Christians is fine as long as he stays that way.”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/assad-slaughtering-syrian-christians
BTW, Assad supported islamic terror groups that acted outside Syria. Would you be OK with Assad supporting terrorist groups that went on to murder your countrymen, whether in your country or abroad, if it meant he wouldn’t harm Christians in Syria?
“Assad is not stupid. He knows that his best deal is to play nice with non Muslims.”
He sure does. For example, when the international community didn’t believe his claim that any and every protester his forces were murdering in the streets were dangerous islamic terrorists (like the 13-year old who wrote “down with the government” on a wall, was killed by government forces for it and whose death sparked the civil war), he went on to release dangerous jihadis from the Sednaya prison, many of which ended up as high ranking members of islamic terror groups like ISIS. Assad knew that if he could provide a bigger monster than him, he could force the international community to do his bidding.
“Until there is real reform of Islam (not holding my breath) we need dictators like Assad to keep damage to non Muslims to a minimum.”
Right, we need people like Assad – people who support terrorism outside their nation, like Assad did when he provided material support to Al-Qaeda in executting a suicide bombing terror attack in Amman. You just lost all right to complain about, for example, Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia fits your bill – after all, how often do you hear of terrorist attacks against non-muslims in Saudi Arabia? Assad released dangerous jihadis on his people on a gambit to stay in power – where does that fit with “protecting Christians”?
Peggy says
Angemon said:
“Until there is real reform of Islam (not holding my breath) we need dictators like Assad to keep damage to non Muslims to a minimum.”
Right, we need people like Assad – people who support terrorism outside their nation, like Assad did when he provided material support to Al-Qaeda in executting a suicide bombing terror attack in Amman. You just lost all right to complain about, for example, Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia fits your bill – after all, how often do you hear of terrorist attacks against non-muslims in Saudi Arabia? Assad released dangerous jihadis on his people on a gambit to stay in power – where does that fit with “protecting Christians”?
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You are quick to tear down my argument but, out of the bunch we have now who do you think should be supported there?
Someone has to govern in that country so who’s your choice?
Don’t just tear down an argument and neglect to bring your own suggestion forward.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“You are quick to tear down my argument”
You don’t refute anything I say. Heck, you don’t even address any of the points I raised. In short, your argument is indefensible. Don’t take it out on me for pointing it out, blame yourself for making it, especially when you seemingly knew it to be the case. That’s how the open marketplace of ideas works: if your argument is crap, it’ll be treated like crap.
“Don’t just tear down an argument and neglect to bring your own suggestion forward.”
Why not? Why shouldn’t I use facts and logic to prove that an argument is utter crap? Assad is a murderer who drove his country to chaos in a desperate bid to stay in power. Why would I, or anyone else for that matter, support someone who unleashed jihadis on the very people he claims to protect? Why should he be rewarded for causing the deaths of tens of thousand of Syrians? Why should I want Assad in power when he stated that he’d allow ISIS fighters to walk away from ISIS-occupied territory if they lay down their weapons? How many of those will try to pose as “refugees” and make their way to Europe or the US?
Red says
What gets me is that we all know the mohammedans are the enemy. IF we know then Governments know too! WHY are the Governments of the world continuing to sit on their bottoms and do nothing? WHY do they continue to let mohammedans into our countries?
WHAT can we do to stop them?
gravenimage says
But many in the West *don’t* know this. The denial of the Muslim threat runs very deep.
Somebody says
Unfortunately true. It makes me go crazy …
Somebody says
Today at the International Women’s Day organisation at Bilgi University Istanbul, there has been an islamic attack on women with knife and broadsword by islamofascist turks. Some women was bashed and stabbed. This is the new erdogan’s Turkey..
Of course they were screaming allahu akbar !!!
Peggy says
OMG, that’s really sad.
Do you think Turkey can be saved from Islamists or too far gone now?
gravenimage says
Terrible, Somehistory. First time I have heard about this–but it does not surprise.
Peggy says
Very true. Western governments know exactly how much of a threat Islam is to the west so whatever they do, they do deliberately. Why they are doing this is the real question here.
Islam is the best vehicle with which to enslave the masses. In my opinion, that’s why.
People are not as informed. Many are still too reliant of MSM and are swallowing this rubbish but they are slowly being educated by people like us who speak up.
gravenimage says
Peggy wrote:
Very true. Western governments know exactly how much of a threat Islam is to the west so whatever they do, they do deliberately.
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I don’t think this is the case, Peggy. After all, ordinary people stand around with “Immigrants Welcome” signs–do you believe that all of these people are deliberately endangering themselves and their societies, as well?
With respect, I think you underestimate the power of willful denial. All too many, both in government and out, desperately want to believe that these are just needy refugees, who just want to come to the West and become good citizens. They will ignore a great deal of evidence to the contrary to be able to go on believing this. I have plenty of neighbors like this.
Peggy says
Maybe this is where we will continue to disagree.
I totally agree with you that ordinary citizens are led astray by devious governments and MSM and I have always stated that but people in government cannot possibly be clueless or just good people unable to see what is really going on.
You see, they have first class intelligence at their disposal, unlike us so how can they be clueless? They go out of their way to hide the truth from us. Why do you think that is? If they are so convinced that Islam is not a tremendous threat to us why the need to hide the truth?
Do you really believe that Hillary or Obama have no idea what they were dealing with?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I totally agree with you that ordinary citizens are led astray by devious governments and MSM and I have always stated that but people in government cannot possibly be clueless or just good people unable to see what is really going on.”
“Can no possibly be”? Well, why not?
“You see, they have first class intelligence at their disposal, unlike us so how can they be clueless?”
Terrible non-sequitur. Having first-class intelligence at one’s disposal doesn’t mean one can’t be clueless.
“They go out of their way to hide the truth from us. Why do you think that is?”
Why do you insist on using petty dime-store manipulation techniques?
“Do you really believe that Hillary or Obama have no idea what they were dealing with?”
Is there any reason to believe that an individual who parrots the line “islam is a religion of peace hijacked by a tiny group of extremists” don’t actually believe that?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Western governments know exactly how much of a threat Islam is to the west so whatever they do, they do deliberately. ”
Citation needed.
Peggy says
Not needed. Proof is everywhere. What makes you think that Merkel, Obama, Hillary, Trudeau etc don’t know?
Their intelligence services are not up to scratch and can’t provide accurate information to them?
When there is so much terror in the world perpetrated by Islam and you and I can see how dangerous it is why do you think they can’t?
I doubt very much that you will find any of them admitting to knowing how much danger we are in but choosing to ignore it so what sort of evidence could I possibly present?
Please let me know what citation you are asking for?
Maybe you can read some of the many, many articles in which these traitors insist on bringing millions more of these parasites into our countries. Is that citation enough?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Not needed. Proof is everywhere.”
Then why aren’t you providing it?
“What makes you think that Merkel, Obama, Hillary, Trudeau etc don’t know?”
Terrible deflection. How is asking me what I think supposed to be “proof” of something, especially when you have, on numerous occasions, doubted my mental sanity? And by “doubted my mental sanity” I mean “flat out called me insane”. Why are you trying to get your ideas validated by someone you clearly have nothing but hatred and contempt for? Would I miraculously become cured of my alleged insanity if I parroted your lines?
“When there is so much terror in the world perpetrated by Islam and you and I can see how dangerous it is why do you think they can’t?”
Again: you called me “insane” on numerous occasions. How is what I think supposed to validate your claims?
“I doubt very much that you will find any of them admitting to knowing how much danger we are in but choosing to ignore it so what sort of evidence could I possibly present?”
You “very much doubt that you’ll find” something? Didn’t you say “proof is everywhere”? Well, reach out and find it!
“Please let me know what citation you are asking for?”
Huh, isn’t that obvious? You made an assertion. I quoted said assertion and asked for a citation. I assume most people don’t have the autistic mindset of taking things literally, but if it helps you when I say “citation needed” I don’t really require a citation as in a quote from someone – it’s a general request for evidence.
“Maybe you can read some of the many, many articles in which these traitors insist on bringing millions more of these parasites into our countries. Is that citation enough?”
How does that prove the intent you ascribe them? You said, and I quote, “Western governments know exactly how much of a threat Islam is to the west so whatever they do, they do deliberately.“”. You’re ascribing them a motivation. Saying “well, they’re letting muslims enter their countries” doesn’t address motivation, does it? The question still remains: what’s their reason to do so?
Peggy says
Angemon says
March 10, 2017 at 9:40 am
Peggy posted:
“You are quick to tear down my argument”
You don’t refute anything I say. Heck, you don’t even address any of the points I raised. In short, your argument is indefensible
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Ok, let’s say i agree with all you say. Assad bad etc. Who do yo think we should be supporting then?
You don’t seem to want to answer that. Dancing around the question is not an answer.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Ok, let’s say i agree with all you say. Assad bad etc.”
“Let’s say”? Look, facts and logic are on my side here. The idea that I should support a murderer directly responsible for the plight of the Christians in Syria and Iraq because, well, who else?, is as absurd as it is dangerous. Assad is responsible for the sorry state of affairs in Syria. The blood of Christians murdered by ISIS, etc., in Syria (and not just Syria) is on his hands. He tossed them under the bus to hold to power so he can’t be trusted to defend them. And let’s not even touch the elephant in the room – letting Assad getting away with endangering Christians to force the international community to take his side would open a very dangerous precedent. Defending the person responsible for the torment of Christians in not a solution to the problem, it’s the equivalent of putting out a flame by tossing enough coal on it – sure, it may kill the flame momentously, but the coal will eventually heat enough and start burning again because no one bothered with the root cause of the problem or the consequences of the proposed solution.
“Who do yo think we should be supporting then?
You don’t seem to want to answer that. Dancing around the question is not an answer.”
Again: supporting a murderous muslim tyrant who threw the Christian population he claims to protect under the jihadi bus in a gambit to stay in power is NOT the solution, it’s more of the same. Anyone genuinely interested in protecting Christians in the Middle East should know the answer to the question “who should we be supporting?”. And the answer is NOT a muslim dictator, like you suggest. Who should we support to defend the Christians in Syria? The answer is obvious: the Christians themselves. How many Christian-majority nations are there in the Middle East? There was Lebanon, but they took in Arafat and the “palestinians”, and… well, it became another nation that muslims drove from prosperity to s***. Maybe it’s about time to get another Christian-majority nation in the area so that the fate of Christians in the Middle East – that’s right, the entire Middle East, not just Syria – isn’t dependant on the whims of a muslim dictator who, at any given moment and without warning, may turn on them to appease jihadis and hold on to power a bit more, which is effectively the precedent that supporting Assad would set for ALL the rulers of muslim-majority countries that face popular discontentment – flirt with jiahdis and, when they come home to roost, spark a war and ask the international community to solve your mess using the fate of religious minorities as leverage.
That’s who we should be supporting – the Christians themselves, and we should be pushing for a state where Christians can live free without having to rely on a muslim overlord. Heck, that would also solve another clear and present problem: what to do with ISIS fighters. Assad promised amnesty to ISIS members who drop their weapons and surrender. I certainly don’t want them to head to Western nations disguised as “refugees”. Christians have suffered under them, and Assad will literally let them walk away – where’s the justice in that? Having a Christian state would take care of that issue: they could be judged for war crimes against said state and its citizens, and given a fair trial before being sentenced to death by firing squad, as opposed to be allowed to walk away by the “protector of Christians” and go live a long, happy life waging jihad elsewhere.
tl;dr: I support an independent Christian state, not a muslim tyrant who threw Christians under the bus and now claims he’ll “protect” them, as the best long-term alternative.
Peggy says
Angemon said:
How does that prove the intent you ascribe them? You said, and I quote, “Western governments know exactly how much of a threat Islam is to the west so whatever they do, they do deliberately.“”. You’re ascribing them a motivation. Saying “well, they’re letting muslims enter their countries” doesn’t address motivation, does it? The question still remains: what’s their reason to do so?
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Are you actually defending western governments? Are you saying that they are not doing anything out of malice but just plain good heart and ignorance?
Their deeds tell me a lot and I don’t give them the same assumption of innocence.
As for your question of what their reason could be I really can’t say anything that would be acceptable to you if you don’t know that already.
I’ve told you what I think and why but as usual you don’t offer anything in the form of what you think and why. If you want to debate this then you must give your thoughts and conclusions too and not just tear down others’, or don’t you have any?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Are you actually defending western governments? Are you saying that they are not doing anything out of malice but just plain good heart and ignorance?
Oh, the outrage! You presented something as fact – please, offer something to prove the malevolence you’re ascribing to Western governments instead of imply you’re right to begin with and ascribe me a position I did not made.
“Their deeds tell me a lot and I don’t give them the same assumption of innocence.”
Nice “logic” you have there. By that “logic” of yours, if I accidentally cut myself while chopping onions then I must have wanted to cut myself because why else would I have cut myself. All those laws about accidents and negligence in Western judicial systems must be thrown out because, going by what you claim, there’s no such thing as accidents or negligence – the final outcome is, in fact, what was planned all along. That you don’t give governments the assumption of innocence is not the same as they, as you put it, “know exactly how much of a threat Islam is to the west so whatever they do, they do deliberately”.
“As for your question of what their reason could be I really can’t say anything that would be acceptable to you if you don’t know that already.”
So despite your claim that “proof is everywhere” you’re unable to produce something to back your assertion – your accusation is the evidence in and of itself. Got it.
“I’ve told you what I think and why”
No, you presented something as a fact. Backpedalling to “well, that’s just what I think” is an unaceptable cop-out, especially when you opened your post by accusing me of “defending western governments”, as if your claim was already made and proven.
“but as usual you don’t offer anything in the form of what you think and why.”
I asked you to produce evidence to back your claim. Saying that I don’t say what I think does nothing to back your claim.
“If you want to debate this then you must give your thoughts and conclusions too and not just tear down others’, or don’t you have any?”
“Debate”? There’s nothing to debate here – you presented something as a fact, I asked you to back it. Whatever my thoughts or conclusions may be, they are irrelevant to the matter at hand. Either you have proof of what you claimed or you don’t – no need to “debate” anything.