Çavuşoğlu may well be right. But if “religion wars” do indeed break out in Europe, it won’t be because of the “far-right.”
“Turkish FM warns of ‘religion wars’ in Europe in remarks on Dutch elections,” Hürriyet Daily News, March 16, 2017:
Europe will soon be the site of “religion wars,” Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on March 16, in Ankara’s first comment on the general elections in the Netherlands that saw the victory of Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s Liberal VVD.
“Now the election is over in the Netherlands … When you look at the many parties you see there is no difference between the social democrats and fascist [Geert] Wilders. All have the same mentality. Where will you go? Where are you taking Europe? You have begun to collapse Europe. You are dragging Europe into the abyss. Religion wars will soon begin in Europe,” Çavuşoğlu said.
“Because they were of different faiths, they killed each other 100 years ago,” he said, without elaborating further on what he was referring to.
“But they learned a lesson from this and the European Union, the Council of Europe was set up,” he added….
Ellie says
The majority of Europeans have no religion. The educational system has wiped out their history and nationalities. They have been taught group think. They think whatever their educational system and media tell them.
The left in the U.S. are attempting to do the same and have been quite successful in some areas, especially in our colleges. We are at a cross road. We are looking at a civil war of a different sort than the last one. How it will be fought I do not know but its going to be ugly.
Halal Bacon says
Meh, my money is on Ergodan goes bye bye
mortimer says
Erdogan purged the army. No one is left to oppose him for the next 20 years. Turkey would need a Napoleon who might be worse than Erdogan.
AleX says
My money is on turkey becoming the new syria. Pislam and division is their doom. One can only hope.
mortimer says
Turkey has a freedom scale of 38/100 … very low. And this man has the audacity to call others ‘FASCIST’ !! It would be amusing if not so tragic that Muslims are like vampires who cannot see themselves in the mirror.
Islam comes from Mohammed: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, `None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me.”
Islam comes to conquer, plunder, rape and enslave. MUSLIMS START THE WARS with free people.
Westman says
That “fascist” name calling business is getting rather annoying because it has lost all neaning and has become a “word bomb” like islamophobia.
To find the real meaning one must go back to its origin – Benito Mussolini and his three principles:
Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, and nothing against the state.
Replace “the state” with “Islam” and the mask falls away.
mousey says
Yah, that’s good westman. And reply it to them when they use the word fascist; what could they do but agree. Where are the interviewers and leaders to show them up directly like this.
Em says
At least he hopes so.
RichardL says
He also said that Europe has to be nice and beg Turkey to not ask the “2 bn members of the ummah” not to start a war on Europe.
The Dutch FM, probably on orders from turncoat Rutte, said she wants to have better relations with Turkey.
islam declares war and the west ignores it. Treason of the worst sort.
Richard says
When Phillip of Macedon took over all of Greece, the Greeks were busy debating how he could have done it so quickly and easily. Demosthenes summed it up in four words: “Greece talked. Phillip acted.” That is the West with the Muslims.
Richard
Wellington says
“Because they were of different faiths, they killed each other one hundred years ago.”
Uh, this guy needs a history lesson. The last religious war in Europe was the Thirty Years War (and even this war was religious only in part). After the Peace of Westphalia of 1648 which ended that war, bad feelings remained between Protestants and Catholics and Protestants continued to go after one another for not being the right kind of Protestant (e.g., in England Anglicans restricting Protestant non-conformists) but entire religious wars were no longer fought. A century and a third after the Protestant Reformation began in 1517 Europeans had come to the conclusion that fighting religious wars were counter-productive and gave up on this, contra the Islamic world which is fighting religious wars to this very day and thus proving yet again that the West can learn but the Islamic world cannot.
Rich too is a Turk talking about religious wars within the last century considering what the Turks did to the Armenians during WWI, to a significant degree because the Armenians were Christian and the Turks Muslim. Yeah, very rich.
Westman says
Rich, indeed! When the Europeans are forced to fight Islam it won’t be a religious war on their part. They will be fighting against religion on behalf of freedom and self-determination. As you indicated, only Islam hasn’t learned the futility of war in the name of religion.
Stan Lee says
As I recall WW2, because I was too young for military service in my country, but old enough to remember the facts as they happened. The religious war that took place in Europe was a one-way war against an unarmed people marked by the Nazis for mass extinction….the Jews of Europe. That was one helluva war, the Nazis and their allies were the great conquerors of a people who had no means to resist Hitler’s legions except for a few Jewish partisans that formed units in Eastern Europe after most of them received the deaths that the Nazis had planned for them.
This is WW2 in Europe through the eyes of the Turkish Foreign Minister, who would not believe the real events in Europe, because he has accepted the Turkish version.
Now….I hope that the unconscious EU and NATO will finally understand that Turkey could never be a trustworthy ally. This Foreign Minister has a very “foreign” concept of what took place in the war in Europe. He sees Europe strictly as a battleground between the religions of Christianity and the Muslims. People of Europe should take into account that inroads made by Muslims in the EU’s various countries have been done by taking advantage of the EU’s own rules and regulations, mixed with a great amount of EU lack of reality. It didn’t know a threat to its many people(mostly non-Muslim) and countries, when that threat was thrust before the EU’s eyes. It is an organization that needs to be rejected for national sovereignty to be revived by all Euro nations. Each nation will regain self-respect which can engender respect for each other..
The only war that really took place in Europe was the Nazi tide being reversed by USSR after the Nazis has penetrated to 20 miles west of Moscow, had surrounded St. Petersburg for 1000 days, and the oil fields of south USSR were practically captured (but not!) by the Nazis, until the Soviet bull-dozer gave the Nazis as much or more than was heaped upon them. By then, over twenty million Soviet people, military and civilian, has perished in defense of their Motherland.
Apparently, little can be done by the gross stupidity of the German leader, Merkel. She alone has invited to Europe a mass infestation of Turk Muslims plus other Muslims (Arabs), which now starts to identify itself as a growing Turkish-Muslim colony in the heart of Germany. Merkel should no longer be tolerated with her lunacy of multi-culturalism. Multiculturalism with Islam is a one-way street, it eats away any land it enters if allowed freedom to act, and Germany, under Merkel and her political idiots have given Islam “enough rope to hang itself,” but Islam instead surprised Germany by using the rope given to it to hang Germany.
There must have been hundreds of warnings given to Germany which have been discarded as “inflamatory.”
What is inflamatory is the example Germany set for itself and Europe which can result in war in each homeland, because the EU has been so blind to reality. Anyone, please….can you actually believe that the EU can manage a war that is possible to happen, unless the whole of western Europe is surrendered to Islam?
Wellington says
Well, if this Turk thinks as you laid out, he is even more in need of a history lesson than I thought. The Nazis went after all Jews, regardless of whether they were religious. As so many know, many Jews back in the WWII era, as now, were not religious in the least. It’s not as though the Nazis only went after religious Jews and left the non-religious Jews alone. The assault against the Jews was primarily racial and ethnic, not religious. It’s true that Hitler hated Judaism and Christianity, as his Table Talk makes crystal clear (rather admired Islam though which is telling), and that he had many priests and ministers killed, but to look upon WWII as some kind of religious war makes little sense. I suppose it had a religious component but it’s not as though the two sides in the war were fighting first and foremost, or even secondarily, for religious causes with the intention of wiping out the other’s religion.
Wellington says
Why, Andrew Sullivan, would WWII have been seen as religious in Turkey?
Every sentence you wrote beginning with “With” in no way whatsoever validates Turkey seeing WWII as a religious war. You go on about the “Russians to the East, the Royal Navy to the West,” blah, blah, blah, and with the rest of your comment even making less sense.
Please explain.
gravenimage says
Andrew, Turkey was officially neutral during most of WWII. As a technicality, they entered the war on the side of the Allies very late in the war once it was clear that they were going to win. But apart from being the setting for a bit of espionage, Turkey was not a factor in the war at all.
And the Turks did not need Nazis to round up Jews–there were only about 60,000 left there by WWII. A few Turkish Jews did die in the concentration camps, but there was no Nazi round up of Jews there.
There are just about 17,000 Jews remaining in Turkey now.
tom parry says
great comment, Most Turks in Germany are actually ok, The young male turks were invited to work durring the 60’s boom on condition they would leave and not bring in relative or spouse.
That worked about as good as US president Ronal Reagun mexian immigration policy.
Now Germany is mostly under attack from non Turkish immigrants- Most are robbers from
bulgaria and romania.
Myfreeeurope says
Really Tom Parry, really?
Most stacks form Bulgarians and Romanians?
What are you talking about? are you so misinformed?Are you saying that Bulgarians and Romanians are putting bombs and killing people with knifes in the trains stations ?
are you saying that those bloody east Europeans are waging jihad in Germany?
shame on you
I think you are a bloody English that has a bone to pick with those Eastern European people… well your bloody England, the “beautiful rose” is suffocated by jihad waging muslems .
So keep your trap shut and just go and take your Turk friend and turn your ass to allah , the child molester!
gravenimage says
tom parry wrote:
great comment, Most Turks in Germany are actually ok…
Now Germany is mostly under attack from non Turkish immigrants- Most are robbers from
bulgaria and romania.
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Oh, *good grief*, Tom. Right now, Germany is experiencing a tsunami of mass rape and violent Jihad. The idea that those responsible are “robbers from bulgaria and romania” is ridiculous.
“Germany: Over 400 police, raid, search, and close mosque that was recruiting for the Islamic State”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/germany-over-400-police-raid-search-and-close-mosque-that-was-recruiting-for-the-islamic-state
Are these robbers from Bulgaria and Romania?
How about this:
“Germany: Muslim migrants committing numerous rapes and assaults of women in and around refugee centers”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/germany-muslim-migrants-committing-numerous-rapes-and-assaults-of-women-in-and-around-refugee-centers
I could post hundred of stories about Muslims savaging Germans here–how can this not be a problem?
And the idea that Turks specifically are “actually OK” is also mistaken–over half of Muslim Turks in Germany believe that when there is a conflict between Shari’ah and civilized German law, that Shari’ah should be imposed.
Almost half–47%–say that “following the tenets of my religion is more important to me than the laws of the land in which I live”. A third of respondents agreed that “Muslims should strive to return to a societal order like that in the time of Mohammed.” Over a third said “only Islam is able to solve the problems of our times”. 20% openly said, “the threat which the West poses to Islam justifies violence”. Three-quarters said, 73% of respondents agreed that “books and movies that attack religion and offend the feelings of deeply religious people should be banned by law”.
These are findings from “Integration and Religion from the Viewpoint of Ethnic Turks in Germany” (Integration und Religion aus der Sicht von Türkeistämmigen in Deutschland), a study by the Religion and Politics department of the University of Münster.
Peggy says
Hitler was allied with Muslims during WW2 and the Mufti of Jerusalem was in Bosnia inspecting Bosnian Muslim divisions. Bosnian Muslims have adopted Islam from Turkey and are still very loyal to Turkey. Makes you wonder whose side Turks were closer to, the British or Bosnian Muslims.
Richard says
Dear Stan Lee:
Actually, the German response to the Jews was the discovery that some Jews had made an agreement with Britain and France that, in exchange for their help to defeat Germany in World War I, the Jews would be given a homeland from the Turkish Arab lands in the Middle East. It’s easy to give away someone else’s property! Of course very few Jews knew about this, but all were blamed when the German people found out. The Germans could not understand how their country surrendered with their troops still on foreign soil. So they turned on innocent Jews as ‘traitors’. Remember, Germany had signed the Treaty of Versailles on the understanding it was only to be “temporary”, and that something ‘equitable’ would be devised later. Of course, it never was and a now-disarmed Germany lost it navy and merchant marine, its gold reserves, around 300,000 square miles of its African colonies and about a third of its country. And the starving German people were supposed to continue paying reparations for World War I into the 1980s! All this got blamed on innocent Jews. Then, when Israel was actually established by Jews after World War II, Islam was revitalized into a war of hatred for the West which continues to expand to this day, and will until they are stopped – If they can now be stopped by a politically correct West. Perhaps the main reason Germans recently invited in the Muslims (as the Britons centuries earlier invited in the Saxons, then promptly lost almost the entire island to them) was for workers, and then could do nothing to control either the Muslims, nor their legalized invasion, out of fear of being called Nazis. Being part Cherokee and Choctaw, I can say: Indians had bad immigration laws!
Richard
john spielman says
better to begin the civil war NOW when non muslims still hold the majorit, than wait 20 years when muslims will hold the majority , then Sharia WILL rule the land
Krazy Kafir says
Yup, how long before the generations of Islamic invaders in France demand autonomous regions? Then, when their demands are not met, that’s when the civil war will start, in earnest. Just ask India or Serbia how that works.
Westman says
The Netherland’s 9 million people will, “collapse Europe….. dragging Europe into the abyss”? To say that with a straight face requires real chutzpah!
We should thank Turkey for recently waking up the quiescent Dutch to reality when Erdogan simply considered the Netherlands to be another of his states in which he could campaign at will. Rutte must be thinking that, “Wilders isn’t quite as crazy as I thought….”
Imagine what the Dutch must be thinking while watching ethnic Turks waving Turkey’s flag and screaming at them – inside the Netherlands. Some were even Dutch “citizens”. Saudia Arabia would take action if this happened to them. In the Netherlands, in the past – blahhh, nothing to see here. Now?
Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu is correct in assuming that ultimately, “Europe will …. be the site of “religion wars..”. However it will be caused by Islamists who can’t stop harassing the Europeans with Dawa, forbidding, and Shariah – essentially trying to curtail freedom and rule over them.
Mockingjay says
“We should thank Turkey for recently waking up the quiescent Dutch to reality… ”
– Not so much.
– Erdogan is seen as “just another dictator” – NOT as an islamist.
– You wouldn’t believe how clueless people are about this – it is actually the only reason why ALL political parties in The Netherlands (as well as in Germany and in the greater Europe) stood so united in condemning Erdogan.
-They – and especially the Leftists – ONLY did so because they NEVER even MENTION the word “islam” in connection with Erdogan. Never. It’s also not mentioned in the news, in the papers, never. Erdogan is just an ordinary power-hungry dictator, “like Putin”. Especially German satirical shows on tv LOVE to make that comparison. “Look at the way those two behave, they’re just like twins!”
– You wouldn’t believe the responses you get from Leftists if you tell them it’s all about islam with Erdogan.
– So no, the Dutch haven’t exactly awakened to the truth.
Yet.
Westman says
Thanks for the feedback, Mockingjay. Let’s hope that they wake up and realize that Erdogan is a budding Caliph.
Atheist Kaffur says
This is messed up. Turkey has the 6th largest standing army. This is not some bonehead making these declarations this is a government official. EUROPE WAKE UP! There will be a war in Europe in the next 5 years. guaranteed!
Custos Custodum says
Erdogan has dismissed most senior officers and installed Islamist puppets instead.
Turkey’s conventional military is not a significant threat to Western Europe.
N.B.: Since all of Turkey is basically Muslim thanks to Woodrow Wilson, “Islamist” rather than “Muslim” would seem to be the proper term here.
EmHotep says
EU has always supported Erdogan and his ideology in Turkey and now facing his threats. We have been warning them Erdogan’s plan of invasion through migrants but it was not listened.
There is a referendum on the 16 th of April in Turkey, if he wins this one it will be too late for everybody, because he will declare himself as the caliph.
As Turkish seculars we have been trying to stop and overthrow him. If EU and other western countries cut their support for erdogan we may achieve our target. It is time to say stop to the political islam. He is a criminal islamist.
gravenimage says
Good luck, EmHotep. We will be watching Turkey next month.
EmHotep says
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7HcmZHXUAA5f7O.jpg
Mike Pitzler says
I don’t know, EmHotep. Are you just taqqiyaing us kafirs?
EmHotep says
I am kafir too.. Turkish kafir.
EmHotep says
I also need to say, we are fighting against all sorts of islam, not only jihad. We have been living with the dictator erdogan and his islamic regime for so long.
I am trying to make the western people understand that all types of islam is radical ideology, so maybe some of them will stop supporting dictators like erdogan.
For example; Stop Rex Tillerson’s visit to erdogan before the Turkish Referendum, because it is a support for the dictator.. Erdogan will use his visit as a victory.
“A senior Turkish official who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed that Tillerson was expected to meet with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, among others”.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-tillerson-raqqa-afrin-russia-isis-sdf-ypg-pkk.html#ixzz4bWTFbPzD
Samuel Barthis says
I like this; but remember Turkey(Asia Minor) is an erstwhile Christian enclave they have been force ably converted, perhaps those dear folks have some decent blood in them. They used to be all “kafirs” like us, perhaps with a bit more time they can all be “kafirized.”
EmHotep says
I hope so, I believe at least half of us are kafirs, people are only afraid of Erdogan and his muslim dogs to openly say anything. Many Turks are deists they believe in God even they think they are muslims, but have no idea about islam.
We will stop the political, oppressive islamists, and then we need to have foreign powers to interfere to clean all the remaining maniacs..
Islam should be exterminated from the earth.
Richard says
The problem isn’t just the Turks, as terrible as they may be. The Kurds we are supposed to feel so sorry for today did things to the helpless Armenians that made Turkish soldiers sick to their stomachs. Women and children threw themselves over cliffs in suicide to avoid them. Traditionally, the Turks exacted a tax from kafir towns of Christian little boys who were castrated and made janissaries in the Turkish army. Because of Islam, three ties as many slaves were taken out of Europe into Islamic Africa than were taken out of Africa to Europe and The United states. Anyone with half a mind knows that Muslims in a Christian country are like a suicide pill. That is why Spain forced them to leave five centuries ago. That didn’t end it. I understand Morocco has a petition before the United Nations demanding the return of the Iberian Peninsula.(Spain and Portugal). As has been mentioned above, a “good” Muslim knows he is required to convert or kill all non-Muslims. So those we would consider “good” Muslims are really bad Muslims and those we consider “bad” Muslims are really good Muslims. EmHotep, you make an excellent point about many Turks thinking they are Muslims, even though they have no idea what that faith is. That may spring from the Koran’s “Say not that ye believe. Say rather that ye submit.” They are effectively forcing Europeans to submit to their rules even now. I understand that in Scotland butchers can no longer traditionally display a pig’s head in their windows.
mortimer says
Çavuşoğlu says “SOON”. What? “SOON”???
You mean that the SWEDEN RAPE FEST is not a WAR AGAINST WOMEN in Sweden?
You mean that the TERRORIST ATTACKS in Paris, Brussels and Germany are not ATTACKS ON ORDINARY EUROPEANS??? THOSE are not acts of WAR???
And…WAR AGAINST WHOM??? Why, against the DIRTY KAFIRS, of course.
THE WAR AGAINST EUROPEAN KUFAAR IS ON … is HAPPENING… is NOW!
miriamrove says
In some ways it seems a war would be best as I think Muslims are going to get their asses kicked out of EU> m
Don Kleim says
The Left has sealed the fate of Europe. Legislators have given the countries away. It will now require an effort like the Crusades to drive Islam out of what once were free societies in Europe.
Angemon says
Seeing how muslim “migrants” and “refugees” act, I’d say they already began – the question is when the other side will officially go on the offensive…
Kanda says
Once upon a time there was a man named Charles.Martell ,Europe needs another one.Islam Camorr co-exist.Islam has to be crushed. The plain truth has to. be told ,this ideology is dangerous and must be with as a threat to humanity.
EmHotep says
THIS IS A SUPPORT FOR ERDOGAN BEFORE THE UPCOMING REFERENDUM. STOP THIS VISIT !!!!!
A senior Turkish official who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed that Tillerson was expected to meet with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, among others.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-tillerson-raqqa-afrin-russia-isis-sdf-ypg-pkk.html#ixzz4bWTFbPzD
gravenimage says
Turkish Foreign Minister: “Religion wars will soon begin in Europe”
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“Religion wars” have already begun in Europe, in that Muslims are slaughtering Infidels. The only question is whether Infidels are going to start vigorously defending themselves.
More:
“Because they were of different faiths, they killed each other 100 years ago,” he said, without elaborating further on what he was referring to.
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The only thing going on 100 years ago is that Çavuşoğlu’s fellow Muslim Turks were mass-murdering over a million Christians in the Armenian Genocide.
Peggy says
The way I understand this is, submit to Islam or fight and if you choose to fight we’ll call you extremists and it will be all your fault.
Geert was forced to become “extreme right”. If there weren’t Nazis there wouldn’t be resistance.
Sam says
What this idiot Turk says is true Religious war is already going on in Europe Middle East and North Africa right? Islam is winning as far as I can see. So what to discuss.
Civil war is underway here in USA thanks to liberal idiots fighting against everything Trumps says and does. In this turmoil, I would say Jihad continues and Islam keeps on winning all over.
Religious war is just intensifying that is all.
dragazao says
Unfortunately, yes, I´m convinced that hard(er) times are ahead of us. Will it be war? I don´t know, but dark clouds are again on the horizon. Thank you, liberal bastards.
Samuel Barthis says
Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu remarks are very annoying. Islam where it we find it is intolerable. Turkey is 99% Muslim because it pressurizes its folks to behave Islamically. Refer to Malaysia a seemingly progressive Muslim country who got a fit this week because Christians dared to proselytize Muslims. Christians may not speak of their religion but Muslims are allowed to build Mosques by the 100’s in the West(they even wanted to raise a shrine on the 9\11 massacre dedicated to their success). This is an unfair situation even our own leaders, Obama, Merkel, Hollande, Rutte and so on have turned a blind eye to Islam’s disrespect for the West and its so-called Christian values. Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu may be right a religious war is fomenting, but it will be one initiated by Muslims. There is no General Charles Martel insight but we have a few brave souls trying the best, Geert Wilders is being vilified by the media for turning its attention to the enemy within(and without)
PAVLOVIC says
American plot against Europe is working.
DP111 says
Turkey is one of the few nations where Christians and Jews are not persecuted. The others are Somalia, and Saudi Arabia.
Abbasid says
You obviously ave not read that Turkey has been destroying Christian Churches, Islamic prayers are again been said in the Hagia Sophia. Yup. In Constantinople (Istanbul) there are touristy Jewish and Christian communities living in peace, that is not the rest of Turkey.
In case you missed to facts.
“Today, Turkey has less Christians as a percentage of its population than any of its neighbors — less than Syria, Iraq and Iran. The greatest cause of this was the Assyrian, Armenian and Greek slaughters or genocides between 1915 and 1923.
April 2016: Islamist Turkey seizes ALL Christian churches in city and declares them ‘state property’.
She told PJ Media: “What’s happening in southern Turkey is all too typical in the Middle East today, as ancient Christian communities are displaced and persecuted by sectarian violence.
EmHotep says
Spreading Christianity is a crime in Turkey, Jews are accepted as apes. You are either muslim or rubbish here. The current government and erdogan are the ISIS supporters and protectors. We have around 4000 isis cells in Turkey. Now they are planning to open the St.Sophia (Hagia Sophia-Ayasofya) Cathedral as a mosque for erdogan followers.
Somalia and Saudi are hell for the non muslims. These countries are working for ISIS.
Don Foss says
Good. Bring it on, the sooner the better. And we get a 2-fer when the “Progressive” Snowflakes join the Muslims and we can take them out too. The time is now.
Tom Billesley says
Deus vult.