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UK: Muslim pol says London jihadi was “violent Christian before he was a violent Muslim”

Mar 27, 2017 6:53 pm By Robert Spencer

A large part of my work is making elementary distinctions that are repeatedly obscured, and apparently deliberately so, by those who should know better, and probably do. In the first place, there is no evidence as far as I know that Masood was an observant or devout Christian at any time in his life, and testimony from people who knew him that he was a “very religious” Muslim. Moreover, when he was violent before he converted to Islam, this violence had nothing to do with Christianity, as Christianity does not exhort believers to commit acts of violence. When he was violent after he converted to Islam, there is every reason to believe that he may have found justification for his violence in the numerous texts and teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah that exhort believers to commit acts of violence and tell them they will be rewarded by Allah for doing so.

But the next time there is a jihad attack in Britain, Sayeeda Warsi will say the same thing again, and no one will dare contradict her or try to cut through her obfuscations; to do so would be “Islamophobic.”

“Dewsbury politician says Westminster attacker was ‘violent Christian before he was a violent Muslim,'” by Nick Lavigueur, Huddersfield Daily Examiner, March 26, 2017:

The man behind the Westminster terror attack was a “violent Christian long before he was a violent Muslim”, Dewsbury-born peer, Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, has said.

Khalid Masood, 52, killed five people and injured 50 in London last Wednesday before he was shot dead by police.

Appearing on the Andrew Marr Show on BBC1 on Sunday, Baroness Warsi, a former Tory cabinet member, criticised the government’s counter-terrorism strategy.

Baroness Warsi, who grew up attending a mosque in Savile Town, Dewsbury, said it was wrong to only focus on Islam.

She said research on terrorism had found anything between 15 to 28 tell-tale signs of people who were potential threats.

She said: “One of the questions I’ve asked for a couple of years is what actually makes a violent Jihadi? What makes a terrorist?

“My argument has consistently been that the government has been obsessively focused on just one – which we refer to as Islamist ideology.”

Asked by Marr how the security services should track down terrorists, she responded: “There has been a narrative that says Muslim people know who these people are.

“And not only do they know them but they’re condoning them and sheltering them.

“I think what we’ve seen in the terrorist attack last week is it’s incredibly difficult (to predict).

“This is a man who was born in a Christian home, born in a fairly comfortable home, seemed to be living a fairly good lifestyle, was popular.

“He then got involved in criminality and didn’t convert to Islam until later on in life.

“So he was a violent Christian long before he was a violent Muslim.

“I’m not sure any of the people who were growing up with him, indeed his own family, would have known that he would go on to commit such an extremist act.”

Marr asked Baroness Warsi why it seemed violent drug taking men converted to Islam.

“They don’t convert to evangelical Christianity or Hinduism, they choose Islam,” he claimed.

But Baroness Warsi said there were people around the world who were evangelical Christians and Buddhists, who committed extremist acts….

That just sidesteps the question, which was surprisingly good coming from a BBC presenter.

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  1. JOHNNIEMAC says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    Christians are never new muzzie converts. Once a Christan forever a Christian..

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 27, 2017 at 7:31 pm

      With all respect, I disagree. He was not a Christian when he was running over innocent people and stabbing them to death. He was a pious Muslim.

      He was raised as a Christian; but there is no indication that he ever really practiced the faith as an adult.

      • Roger says

        Mar 27, 2017 at 9:30 pm

        A Christian follows the tenets of Christianity which are not violent.

        • mortimer says

          Mar 27, 2017 at 11:12 pm

          Agree with Roger:

          “Love thy neighbor as thyself” is the OPPOSITE of K.48.29 “Those with (Mohammed) are VIOLENT (ashidaa) against the DISBELIEVERS, but compassionate between one another.”

          Masood committed an act of VIOLENCE in literal and PERFECT accordance with to K.48.29.

          Masood intentionally imitated Mohammed’s acts of violence.

        • BINDON blood says

          Mar 29, 2017 at 5:03 am

          Yes. It took conversion to Islam to inspire him to murder . This woman is a known idiot in Britain. Apart from that there is no evidence he was a Christian. No real Christian would convert to Islam and throw away salvation through Christ

      • mortimer says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 12:42 am

        GI wrote: “He was not a Christian when he was running over innocent people and stabbing them to death. He was a pious Muslim.”

        Khalid Masood was wearing his JIHAD HAT when he ‘slaughtered’ dirty kafirs ‘in the path of Allah’.

        Nothing is MORE ISLAMIC than jihad.

        • A Harris USA says

          Mar 28, 2017 at 11:23 am

          Mortimer, the fact is this is just another way of the government of the UK to pin this on something other than ugly nasty evil Islam!! Call him what you will, he is a MUSLIM. A dog in this fight is the evil government who is trying to brainwash the fools who think that Islam is peaceful. I look to see more idiot governments and other pro-Islamic folks to name these Muslims, as Christians, since the idea of mental illness is wearing thin. Next Jew, or other ideas will crop up!! Hindu, Buddest, or what ever they can spew out the foolish idiots who even listen to the MSM..

      • BC says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 7:18 am

        Most Westerners are classified as nominally Christian though few of them are.
        We have the expression 4 wheel Christians. The pram for Christening, limo for marriage and death.hearse. Muslims on the other hand may be nominal in a limited number of cases, but most of them are committed, it comes with mother’s milk so to speak. As surveys have shown many times substantial majorities are supporters of jihad.against non Muslims.

      • Screeminmeeme says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 8:23 am

        Walking into a garage doesn’t make you a car. Being born into a Christian family doesn’t make you a Christian. Scripture says it’s a choice that each person has to make.

        Masood wasn’t a Christian even though he was apparently raised in a ‘Christian’ home, and he chose Islam, the filthiest and most violent of ideologies.

        A horrible choice as it resulted in the death and injury of several innocent people…..and the eternal damnation of an evil man.

      • Fr Christopher Kelley says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 4:17 pm

        WHAT evidence is there that he was EVER a Christian?
        She just made that ALL up.
        Taqqiyya is a basic teaching of Muh’d. (POX be upon him!)
        Being made a “Baronness” did not change that for her.
        Being a member of the “Conservative Party” did not change that for her.
        She lies, because Muh’d taught her to lie, if it will “serve to advance islam.”
        — Evidently she thought it would do so, if she invented a WHOPPER.
        Where is his Baptismal Certificate?

        Honesty has never had a place in islam from the start.

      • Peggy says

        Mar 29, 2017 at 6:18 pm

        He only became a Muslim so that he can kill and justify it. He couldn’t do that as a Christian or any other religion.
        To say that he was a Christian is a stretch. If he had to convert to Islam to justify his evil then that says that Christianity put shackles on him he needed to get out. Proof that Christianity doesn’t allow this.

    • john spielman says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 7:00 am

      a radical Christian follows Christ Jesus and would act like Jesus did – ie like Mother Theresa of Calcutta or Billy and Franklin Graham. because they are filled with the Holy Spirit and Christ is in them!

      A radical muslim behaves like muhammad the ” perfect man of islam” who was a demon possessed mass murderer liar thief rapist and pedophile pervert – because allah / Satan is their god!

      • Lucia Bartoli says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 1:00 pm

        Bravo!!

    • Tea Party/ Son of Liberty says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 9:52 am

      Exactly, He was never a Muslim …period …end of sentence ! He mowed down those innocent citizens …AS …A ..MUSLIM ! Christians are forgiven by the Grace of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ .

      • Tea Party/ Son of Liberty says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 9:58 am

        Comment above take out ….never ,..sorry ! He WAS A MUSLIM .

    • JIMJFOX says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 11:41 am

      Missing the point. The taqiyya turdette “Baroness Sayeeda Warsi” is at it again, talking out of her rectum as usual. More proof of what Islam does to the muslim ‘mind’…

  2. John says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Maybe he was violent beforehand.
    The problem is he found a ‘religion’ that sanctions his violence.
    That’s the religion of peace for you.

    • Carlos Danger says

      Mar 27, 2017 at 8:13 pm

      Exactly…….an authoritarian faith that has incorporated violence into the way it rolls since the Profit was a caravan raider under orders from allah.

      • NBC_VIC_HERN says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 3:36 am

        An evil, murdering Robin Hood of the desert.
        How quaint.
        How droll.

        • Jeanette says

          Mar 28, 2017 at 1:57 pm

          Oh, let’s not dirty Robin Hood’s name by comparing him to this monster!

    • Westman says

      Mar 27, 2017 at 9:27 pm

      “They don’t convert to evangelical Christianity or Hinduism, they choose Islam,”

      Exactly.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 27, 2017 at 11:12 pm

      Masood imitated the violence of Mohammed and Mohammed’s companions, the Salaf.

  3. gravenimage says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    UK: Muslim pol says London jihadi was “violent Christian before he was a violent Muslim”
    ………………

    What a load of crap. He never acted in the name of Christianity when he was a garden-variety thug. Moreover, as I noted above, there is no indication that he was ever a practicing Christian as an adult, nor that he ever attended Church.

    But after he converted to Islam, he attended Mosque regularly, and them planned violent Jihad.

    Just another Mohammedan trying to muddy the waters in order to whitewash Islam.

    • jayell says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 1:57 am

      Warsi was dredged up from the UK’s domestic Islamic swamp to be David Cameron’s official token muslim and was elevated to a bogus peerage because she couldn’t manage to get properly elected into Parliament even in a muslim-infested cesspit like Dewsbury. It would seem that she sees it as her mission in life to justify, defend and promote Islam as part of the UK’s cultural identity, and, it appears, would spout any contrived, unsubstantiated pseudo-intellectual garbage to justify and promote herself and her ilk. This should not surprise us, since Islam openly condones the use of (how can I put this nicely?) ‘creative discussion’ in its dialogue with the wider community; in other words, in accordance with the Great Prophet’s exhortations to lie, distort, deceive and insult, the followers of Islam will cobble together any old tissue of fanciful fabrication to attempt to support themselves even though an intellectually-challenged inmate of the monkey house at London Zoo could see through their transparent machinations. This might explain Warsi’s profound and illuminating utterances. Well, it’s one (typically islamic) way of justifying one’s £300-a-day House of Lords attendance handout from UK taxpayer.

      • RichardL says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 10:18 am

        your description should replace the Wikipedia article on this disgusting woman

  4. Isntlam says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    Something certainly seems to attract violent people to Islam.

    • Jihadi John says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 7:12 am

      72 virgins?

      • Isntlam says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 11:47 am

        72 virgins as a reward for suicidal aggression. Islam promotes the taking of sex slaves, stoning, killing homosexuals, killing apostates, beating wives, cutting off body parts. It tends to be a little violent in its overall tone.

    • carol says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 9:12 pm

      Give them a break. They just wanna be “one of the guys” before they make their big stink.

  5. Phinehas says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    There is a difference. Islam: One can convert from non faith or any faith, one becomes a muslim. One becomes a muslim by birth right (being born into a muslim family/home). Thus, ever a muslim… conversion to another faith punishable by death.
    Christianity: (non RC) One becomes a Christian, 1) believe (implies maturity, certain age) 2) water baptism (implies personal/individual consent) 3) confess Christ as Lord. Thus, one cannot nor indeed is born into Christianity or a Christian family, you become a Christian through confession (i.e. able to communcate that belief to others, babies cannot do this, therefore cannot be christians). Process for Christian, believe, confess then baptise. So Adrian Elms was NEVER a Christian, always an unbeliever with some issues. It was his conversion to ISLAM (religion of pieces) that triggered this event, before hand he was a petty criminal. Promise from Allah, all his sins (previous criminal convictions) FORGIVEN for taking part in JIHAD… way to go Islam. That’s why…. note, protest march on Westminster bridge last night, all ‘muslim’ woman out in supoort of tolerance and peace… one question to ISLAMIC world, where were the MEN?

  6. Wellington says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    164 verses in the Koran exhorting Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39} versus 0 verses in the New Testament exhorting Christians to wage war until all the world is Christian. And yet this silly Muslima would have others believe that the main problem here has something to do with this dead loser’s personality.

    No, the main problem here very much has something to do with Islam, which, btw, has an extensive (and I mean EXTENSIVE) record of distorting and/or utilizing a person’s personality for destructive and control-freak ends. Has been happening for some 1400 years now, as in almost every day of these some 1400 years, which adds up to more than half a million days. That’s a lot of days for an ideology to run amok due to its basic doctrines. But Islam has “achieved” this. Quite an achievement. At least 270 million killed in the name of Islam over this time period, not counting of course the “merely” maimed bodies and psyches ruined by Mo’s creed during this same duration. Wow, what a track record.

    I despise Islam. Despising Islam, I would contend, is the only sane and informed way of assessing Islam. All other ways are errors steeped in general ignorance, self-deception or outright deception of others. No exceptions that I know of.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 am

      ISLAM’S TEXTS ARE THE MOST VIOLENT – study of ten religions and their texts

      Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage TERROR and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by ENCOURAGING VIOLENCE AND AGGRESSION against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’

      “What is striking is not in itself that one can find murderous passages in the Islamic texts, as such passages can also be found in other religions. But it is striking how much space these passages take up in the Islamic texts, and how much they focus on an us-and-them logic in which infidels and apostates are characterized as dirty, rotten, criminal, hypocritical and dangerous. It is also striking how much these texts demand that the reader fight the infidels, both with words and with the sword. In many passages, Muhammad plays a central role as one who encourages the use of violence, whether it comes to stonings, beheadings, acts of war or execution of critics and poets.”

      Tina Magaard finds it particularly objectionable that so many Islamic scholars in her opinion KNOWINGLY FAIL TO DISCLOSE these facts.

  7. Rev g says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    Reminds me of how so many violent minority convicts convert to islam in prison. Islam gives justification to their anger and hatred.

  8. overman says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    “But Baroness Warsi said there were people around the world who were evangelical Christians and Buddhists, who committed extremist acts….”

    And as rare as hen’s teeth.

  9. Mockingjay says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    – Guess what?

    – Some people with Christian backgrounds do get criminal and violent in the course of their lives.

    – I’m sure Mexican gang members and Italian mafia were all born into Christian families.

    – But it is ONLY islam that propagates violence and killing as a G O O D thing to do – if done to the “right” people.

    You cannot judge things only by their “results”.

    It is the ideas behind the actions that matter.

    • Bob says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 6:06 am

      Yes, Mockinjay, but may I suggest that you read the message from Phinehas? These gangsters were NOT Christians, even though they may’ve been born into a Christian family. One becomes a Christian by mature choice, not be the chance of birth.

      • RichardL says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 10:28 am

        it is not that easy, Bob, for then we all have to believe that AQ, Hamas, IS, etc. are not “real Muslims”, just misunderstanders.

        The cartel murderers go to Mass every Sunday, receive the Eucarist, go to Confession…

        The difference is what the scripture says. And the koran and the sunnah are books of horror.

        • Rev g says

          Mar 28, 2017 at 4:28 pm

          Exactly. These bad guys may be bad Christians or Christians in name only, but they identify as Christian, you can’t change that. Their actions are not condoned or anywhere promoted within the Christian way of life.
          Conversely, the muslim slime bags are living in the example of their epitome of man.
          I tell people that if their lukewarm Christian neighbor gets devout they may find him annoying. If the lukewarm muslim neighbor gets devout they may find him deadly.

      • Mockingjay says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm

        Bob – to me the issue isn’t so much who can be called a “real” Christian or not.

        – I was just trying to make a statement that violent and/or criminal behaviour, or more in general, EVIL, exists in ALL sorts of people, of ALL colors and creeds, all over the world – but that does NOT mean that all evil behaviour is equal – as this muslim apologist essentially is claiming.

        – She deliberately tries to remove all nuance and reduce what this terrorist did to some general denominator of “violence”.

        – So yes – the London terrorist may have been VIOLENT already before he was a muslim. But only AFTER he became a muslim did he choose to deliberately drive over people who were just walking along a bridge.

        Now that’s a whole different class of evil.

        Intentions – and nuances – matter.

        • cyborx says

          Mar 31, 2017 at 12:06 pm

          mockingjay,
          i dont think that the intentions and/or nuances would matter to the victims, they are now DEAD.
          whether he was a muslim or not will never bring them back.
          what does matter tho is the fact that followers of islam are being promoted into positions of power from whence they can radically change laws in this country to align it with their beliefs and THAT is the current danger.
          we currently have at least 13 muslim MP’s and quite a few muslim mayors, not long before we get a muslim PM and then watch the shit fly.

  10. jewdog says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    There have been many violent Christians, but violent because of, or for Christianity? Take Al Capone for example. He only killed you if you interfered with his rackets, not because you were a sinner. I’m sure Eliot Ness didn’t refer to him as a “violent Christian” amid the epithets he doubtless used, although technically he was in fact a violent Christian. The last time we saw Christians who were violent out of religious conviction on a large scale was in fifteenth century Spain.
    Her error is an example of the false cause fallacy, ex: Global increases in surface temperature are associated with increases in terrorism.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 12:09 am

      Agree with JD. It’s a question of which HAT you are wearing at the time of the killings. If you are wearing the JIHAD HAT, you are conducting JIHAD. In the distant past, some of the popes even wore armor and fought in wars, but they were fighting as SECULAR PRINCES, rather than fighting AS THE POPE.

      Mohammed slew and sent others on a divine mission of KILLING DISBELIEVERS because they disbelieved. Mohammed’s mission was to make his ARAB TRIBE into the next WORLD EMPIRE to replace both the Romans and the Persians as the NEXT WORLD SUPERPOWER.

      The Crusades and Mongolian genocide against the caliphate slowed the world takeover. The defeat of the sultan at Vienna further blunted the attack and turned it back.

      Islam is now poised for its final defeat which will be intellectual, moral and psychological.

      Oil

      • mortimer says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 12:11 am

        Continued… Oil is the only reason for the postponement of Islam’s extinction. If the world switches to hydrogen and nuclear for most of its power, the Muslim empire will be completely vanquished forever.

  11. somehistory says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    A person is not a Christian because they say they are, claim to be, went to a church at some point, their parents are, they have Christian friends or even siblings. A person is a Christian if they follow Christ and obey His commands. He said it. “Your are my friends, if you obey my commandments.” “If you love me, you will obey my commandments.” (John chapters 14 and 15)

    A person has to love, with his heart, soul, mind and strength, God and his (the person’s) neighbor.

    This man, if he ever was truly Christian, left his faith behind and began to follow his own way and the way of islam. Judas was an apostle and disciple of Christ, but he went wrong. The same can happen to others.

    But, Judas was not Christian when he began to steal and when he betrayed Christ.
    This moslim murderer was not a Christian when he was going contrary to what Christ commanded.

    This “baroness” is a liar. islam has taught her to lie. She is ugly inside and out.

    And she couldn’t answer the question the BBC person asked. That would have meant telling the truth and the truth is not in her.

  12. Voytek Gagalka says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    I wonder if that “baroness” is so eager to defend Islam why she does not follow sharia herself. Where is her hijab or burka if she is Muslim? I would understand her (partially) if she would belong to Ummah and then try to defend her fellow worshipers. Otherwise, what business does she have in defending Islam by blaming indirectly Christianity for jihadi’s behavior? Was she PAID to do so by some foreign sources (Saudi, Iranian or Qatari)? In any case, she just makes total fool of herself proving that her knowledge of both Islam and (even more so) Christianity is NULL.

  13. unbeleiver1 says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    No one is born a Christian, and I have never heard of someone being a secular Christian.Growing up in a Christian doesn’t make one a Christian.He took up a religion, which is Islam.There was no converting from one religion to another

  14. Stan Lee says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    If Masood was a practicing Christian at one time, Christianity wasn’t the answer for him, thus conversion to Islam, with which he was a devotee enough to arrive at the point of taking direction from the Hadith.
    He literally schemed to qualify himself as a loyal Muslim by proving his devotion to his prophet, arming himself and driving his vehicle to a place where pedestrians would be ,and there the killing started until finally, he was brought down by police bullets. If leaving a trail of injured and dead was his mission for Allah, he succeeded in that. If he prepared himself for martyrdom, he also succeeded in his mission.
    It is a lame claim to use “He once was a Christian.” Had he also been a murderer as a Christian, that fact would have been reported, obviously there is no record of such extreme violence as a Christian, therefore it may seem a weak sort of defense by Muslims trying to deflect negatively upon Christianity, but Masood was a murderer in his last act as a Muslim and upon that he was a devout Muslim.

    • maghan says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 11:44 am

      As Hitler wrote: Christianity is too soft and flabby. Islam is much better for it breeds men who are rough, tough, and violent.

  15. unbeleiver1 says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    This dame is grasping at straws to save face.

  16. YouShallNot says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    I love how leftists and Muslims have now decided to resort to the tactic of bearing false witness against Christians in order to deflect from Muslim violence. Can someone show me where all of these Christian terror attacks are happening? It boggles my mind that people buy into this absolutely false narrative that Christians are just as violent as Muslims (truthfully, the narrative is more like, ‘Muslims aren’t actually violent, it’s really the Christians’). Frankly it’s infuriating that, for some inexplicable reason, every time a Muslim does another Aloha Snackbar, I must watch people slander my faith and push a dangerous narrative that makes Christians the targets of hatred and ridicule simply because these people are diabolically dishonest and terminally stupid.

  17. mortimer says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    Sayeeda Warsi is simply dishonest. Prior to adopting the name Khalid Masood, Adrian Elms was nominally Christian by an accident of birth.

    He could not get rid of his wild thoughts, though, through Islam. One of his friends said he was searching for peace of mind before his suicide attack.

    It is well known that many lax or very sinful Muslims choose JIHAD as their means of escaping a frustrating existence and GUARANTEEING their admission to Islamic paradise because ‘they slay and are slain’ in the path of Allah (jihadism).

  18. mortimer says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 10:32 pm

    Many Muslim drug dealers, pimps and muggers see their activities as jihad and way to ‘humiliate’ the dirty kufaar.

  19. Mo says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 11:08 pm

    “Muslim pol says London jihadi was “violent Christian before he was a violent Muslim” ”

    “This is a man who was born in a Christian home, born in a fairly comfortable home, seemed to be living a fairly good lifestyle, was popular.

    Who is this lying woman? Where’s the evidence he was born into a Christian home? Even if he was, that does not make him a Christian.

    How this nonsense enrages me. First of all, once you’re born again as a Christian, you can’t be “unborn”. If this murderer claimed to be a follower of Christ, he lied. Period!

    But more to the point, there are ZERO open ended commands in the Bible for Christians to commit violence against unbelievers. That’s why there are ZERO Christians committing such acts, all over the world, on a regular basis, in obedience to any such open ended commands!

  20. Dov Berrol says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 11:11 pm

    As far as I know, there is no directive in Judaism or Christianity demanding that Jews or Christians commit acts of vigilante justice on their own. The Judeo-Christian ethic leaves it up to Hashem to make that judgement on a person. It is one of the reasons that Israel does not have the death penalty even when an accused is found guilty of murder. We Jews are infused with the concept of an “invisible” deity who is not easy to define – therefore we must always be cautious and a little bit uncertain when it comes to judging others and dealing with others. Even Abraham exhorted Hashem to be merciful and think twice before punishing all the citizens of Sdom. And there is even a tradition of interpreting the binding of Isaac as a failure on Abraham’s part for not thinking for himself and nearly blindly obeying a command to go against human decency and kill his son for no other reason than being commanded by G-d. Which is why Hashem delayed giving the Israelites a home to call their own until they learned to be different from all other neighbouring child-sacrificing nations.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 12:47 am

      Note: Rabbi were so reluctant to pass a death sentence on anyone, that it was called a ‘Bloody Century’ if one person was condemned to death.

      Jewish legal scholar Maimonides stated that “It is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death.”

      Today practically all Jewish sects and Christian denominations oppose the death penalty, but not Islam’s main branches.

      • Dov Berrol says

        Mar 28, 2017 at 6:46 am

        Thank you for this enhancement to my comment. Very valuable addition to the discussion. I am always reminded of the centrality of the Golden Rule in Judaism: V’ahavta l’rei’ekha kamokha = Love your neighbour as yourself. As our ancient sages once said: “This is the whole Torah….the rest is commentary.”

  21. Sam says

    Mar 27, 2017 at 11:23 pm

    I knew from the beginning this could not be because of the religion of peace. It had to be Jews or Christians. This proves that his christian background brought this violence like the crusaders did centuries ago. I knew something was fishy. Shame on all these Jews and Christians for blaming Islam. They give no chance to Islam so what a muslim to do but kill.

    Now lets all go and protect muslims from Islamophobia. Please!

    • BLC says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 12:06 am

      Just a word of advice: Don’t hold your breath waiting for people to get in line to go.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 12:48 am

      right, sam (sarc/off)

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 1:30 am

      Guys, Sam is being sarcastic here.

  22. AMAN says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 1:24 am

    His parents must be Pakistani. Its a Pakistani name,.

  23. Stephen says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 3:09 am

    Her views are beneath contempt, deliberately misleading and dishonest and thereby she collaborates with the killer

  24. S Kevin Wojtaszek says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 3:36 am

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cricketer-spared-jail-judge-not-vulnerable-victim-bat-bleach-wife-a7652771.html?cmpid=facebook-post

  25. Baucent says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 3:48 am

    Jihadi killer’s mother doesn’t agree with Warsi. She is quoted today as saying;

    “I wish to make it absolutely clear, so there can be no doubt, I do not condone his actions nor support the beliefs he held that led to him committing this atrocity,” Ms Ajao added.

    Perhaps Warsi should ask the mother just what “the beliefs” were that lead him to this terror attack?

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 28, 2017 at 7:01 am

      Yes, his poor – non-Muslim – mother.

      I have never seen any *Muslim* mother denounce a criminal / jihad-waging offspring to unequivocally.

  26. trish says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 3:56 am

    Was this terrorist ever a Christian? Simply being born in the UK doesn’t cut it.

    Christians are first baptised and named in church, if born of observant Christian parents. They frequently attend children’s Sunday school and are taken to regular church services, especially at Easter and Christmas. But only by practising Christian parents.

    However, at a later age, usually in early teens,they are given the option of a ceremony called ‘Confirmation” in which they express their willingness to follows the Christian faith. Similar, I imagine to a Jewish Bar Mitzvah.This is a typical .coming of age. ceremony

    An adult wishing to convert to Christianity would also attend confirmation classes and follow the same ceremony.

    The church keeps meticulous records of these ceremonies, so unless Wahood’s baptism or comfirnation certificates can be produced, I suggest this excuse for a baroness ‘puts a sock in it.’

  27. Lia Wissing says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 5:47 am

    Congratulations, Mr Marr!

  28. Robert says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 6:05 am

    Robert Spencer brings a balanced view to this entire issue of jihadism, and Islam as a whole. I have read his books. Thank goodness for his writings.

    I am personally appalled at the Muslim response to these crimes, including the weak response from the mayor of London. What are the so-called moderate Muslims doing to stem the growth of the jihad movement? It seems to me that the responsibility for stemming this growth has been placed in the hands of predominantly Christian countries, like the US, France, etc. How ironic is that?

    Good work Robert!!

  29. Samuel Barthis says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 6:26 am

    Sayeeda Warsi is deflecting serious inquiry into Muslims brutality in the 21 Century. Masood, prior to his lethal action as a Muslim his contextual history avers, he was a good boy, a clever boy , a brilliant sportsman, etc.Moreover, he immersed himself in crime, then a Muslim told him Allah will guide him through to Islam because the narrative is that Islam is peace. In his peaceful transitive state Masood received an apparition but, this was not forthcoming in Christian state, he was stirred to rout the infidels. Jesus would have said love those who hate you, Sayeeda; furthermore, he would also suggested, turn the other cheek…and even in his criminalistics , brutish, Christian state no revelation from Jesus descended for him to commit a pogrom. As Masood, in his virulent state enjoys his afterlife, I guess he has smirk on his face on the innocent people he sees crumpled in a heap

  30. johnnybigtime says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 7:21 am

    Sayeeda Warsi is talking complete rubbish.
    To become a Christian you have to be ‘born again’ by the Holy Spirit (Romans chapter 8).
    It has nothing to do with a church service.
    The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control (Galatians 5:22) These fruits are evidence of a changed life;- fruits which gradually blossom in a believers life, after they have been ‘born again’, as they seek to follow the Lord.
    A ‘born again’ Christian never ceases to be a Christian, because they have been adopted into God’s family for ever.
    Only people who were never Christians in the first place fall away; for the Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we have become a child of God (Romans 8)
    Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12)
    If a person does not aspire to holiness, they have not been ‘born again’
    The Bible exhorts us to love our neighbour as ‘our self’, for love does no harm to a neighbour, therefore it is the fulfillment of the law.
    The Ten Commandments;- THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
    The Koran teaches its adherents to kill others, Sura 9;- re the people of the book, referring to Christians and Jews. SLAY THEM WHEREVER YOU MAY FIND THEM.
    There are 22 passages in the Koran exhorting Muslims to maim, mutilate and kill others.

    The Koran is the most evil book ever written. A ‘death cult’, energised by Satan, which teaches the exact opposite of Christianity.

  31. duh swami says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 7:36 am

    Sounds like fake news with an Islamic twist…

  32. steve says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 9:23 am

    Heard the radio programme on Monday with Warsi and 2 or 3 British men, discussing the Westminster incident and general Islamic atrocities in this country. It was soon obvious that the men were BBC sycophants who treated Warsi with kid gloves and could not bring themselves to challenge her or the Muslim mentality. Seems Warsi has written a book about Islam……….YAWN.

  33. Cameron says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 9:28 am

    How many divinely sanctioned massacres of unbelievers to inspire widespread fear from them did he commit while he was suposedly a christian?

  34. Greg Mutton says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    Does it matter? There is no record of ANY actual violence in the time he is PRESUMED to be a Christian. There is concrete evidence he was extremely violent as a MUSLIM. SO what if he used to be Christian, his violence was in the name of ALLAH, not JESUS, so maybe the bedwetting leftards and MUSLIM propagandists should just stop this blind line of rhetoric, it isn’t working.

  35. don rugdee says

    Mar 28, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    What the good Baroness Sayeeda Warsi forgot to mention was that Islam only issued the licence for Khalid Masood , a violent Christian, to do what he did at Westminster.

  36. Angemon says

    Mar 29, 2017 at 7:35 am

    My argument has consistently been that the government has been obsessively focused on just one – which we refer to as Islamist ideology.”

    Sure, there are other “extremist” ideologies – no one is overlooking or denying that. My question is: how many of there other “violent extremisms” are responsible for terrorist attacks on the scale of “islamism”?

    Asked by Marr how the security services should track down terrorists, she responded: “There has been a narrative that says Muslim people know who these people are.

    Maybe not in al cases, but there are enough cases where the terrorist’s community was aware of their tendencies to identify a trend.

    “And not only do they know them but they’re condoning them and sheltering them.

    See above.

    “This is a man who was born in a Christian home, born in a fairly comfortable home, seemed to be living a fairly good lifestyle, was popular.

    “He then got involved in criminality and didn’t convert to Islam until later on in life.

    “So he was a violent Christian long before he was a violent Muslim.

    Being born in a Christian home doesn’t make you a Christian. Anyway, and to avoid accusations of “no true Scotsman”., let’s assume that until he converted to islam he was a Christian – a bad Christian but a Christian nonetheless. How many terrorist attacks did he wage in the name of Christianity?

  37. Islamic Mirror says

    Mar 29, 2017 at 8:26 am

    • Koran has 6666 word and 114 chapters
    • 154- 164 verses of curses, killings, jihad and war against non-muslims
    • Word hate appears 296 times
    • Kill non believer appears 180 times
    • Koran 8.60 says ‘TERRORIZE THEM’ (Arabic turhibunna). This is clearly a diving commandment for Muslims to terrorize Kafirs.
     Muslims commit an act of VIOLENCE in literal and PERFECT accordance with to K.48.29.
    muslims intentionally imitate Mohammed’s acts of violence.
    • Apparently, it isn’t ‘terrorism’ when Muslims do it.
    Koran describing jews and christians as “animals” and beasts:
    Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
    Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
    Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to “panting dogs” with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.
    Verse 7:179 says they are like “cattle” only worse.
    Verse 5:60 says the unbelievers are unclean. Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant. Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.
    Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.
    A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be “mutated Jews” (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).
    Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.
    • MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE BECAUSE THEY SUFFER FROM QURONIC TRUTH-O-PHOBIA It is well known Muslims are first rate liars – there is no end to their lying. One should never ever trust a Muslim. ANYTHING – that these maggots say – the OPPOSITE is the truth. “In Islam,” he said, “we are against innocent killing.”
    • In Islam, only Muslims can be “innocent . Muslims always say to non-Muslims, Islam is peace . why was the “verse of the sword” was revealed to mohammrd.
    • Muslims go on killing sprees all over the world. These terrorist have hijacked our peaceful religion ,“a true Muslim would never do this.” So what type of Muslim would do this? It could be ANY Muslim :A fake Muslim? A devout Muslim? A moderate Muslim? This is what Muslims (devote or not) do. Nothing is MORE ISLAMIC than killing, maiming innocent kafir (non-believer) jihad, wearing JIHAD HAT, with or without beard
    Moslems are Allowed to LIE (Taqiyya n Kitman) It is written in the Quran and Hadiths that False Prophet Mohamed instructs his Moslem followers to LIE. Here is Proof =
    Surah 16:106 – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Moslem to tell a lie.
    Surah 9:3 – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” (The dissolution of oaths with the pagans). If Moslems lie to non-Muslims it is not a sin for them. Surah 66:2 – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths” Lying to Non-Muslims is fine.
    Surah 2:225 – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” Allah will forgive Moslems all your lies towards non-Muslims.
    Surah 3:54 And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ “Khayrul-Makereen” – literally translated means the greatest of all plotters/ schemers/ deceivers. (NOT planners!) This is confirming that Allah can lie using Deception.Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet Mohamed said, ‘War is deceit.’ So deception by lying is permissible to all Moslems. From Hadith, Bukhari (52:269) Mohamed murdered 30 unarmed men after guaranteeing their safe passage. Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means. Bukhari (84:64-65) Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

    • homicide attacks are the outcome of Islamic prophet teachings, the imams and other Muslim clerics strongly indoctrinate the Islamic doctrine from the Koran, 44:54. 55:56. 78:31., of a sexual /lust- filled paradise with many virgins ,houris, in it for the male Muslim who dies in the jihad for the cause of Islamic allah
    • The most ‘perfect’ Muslim is a suicide bomber, who is doing Allah’s duty in killing the infidel, and is rewarded immediately with paradise and 72 black-eyed virgins. All other Muslims must suffer death and the grave. The suicide bombers, being highly esteemed by every Muslim, would certainly want to be recognized for their deeds and sacrifice to Allah. Glory and sacrifice and rewards to the family including that the homicide-suicide bomber can intercede so seventy of their relatives also get into Paradise. ” According to islam, dying in jihad cancels immediately all sins of the “martyr”.

  38. Cretius says

    Mar 29, 2017 at 9:15 am

    Bottom line. The man committed his crime in the name of Islam. End of argument.

  39. Ash says

    Mar 29, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    When he was a violent Christian, his faith did not inspire him to kill innocents for his God. That happened after his conversion to Islam.

  40. bobm says

    Apr 3, 2017 at 10:41 pm

    it is a fundamental characteristic of islam; to slip in amongst the sheep in wool suits; to establish an odious representation which mimics its prey scents.. to create a false ID which it represents as anything but counterfeit.. .. from the model of ied animals horror slaughter on out; it creates a counterfeit god to worship at the expense of the Truth.. a worship of lies …denial … trickery… poorly mimicking the cross at a distance through terror… ..which in a world of pain is a viable currency… …with absolutely no everlasting benefit… outside of sorrow upon sorrow.. Cains lament… a wise guys reward.

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