Digby Jones is the former Minister of State for Trade and Investment in the UK. Here he is denying the ancient adage that one must know one’s enemy in order to defeat that enemy. The fact that Khalid Masood was a Muslim is only irrelevant if his Muslim identity had nothing to do with his motive for mounting the attack. But Jones doesn’t know whether it did or not; he is just assuming that it didn’t because to say otherwise would be politically inconvenient. If the London attacker had been a white supremacist, would Jones be saying that his motive was irrelevant? Of course not. If there were an organized group of international white supremacists calling for terror attacks in Britain and elsewhere, and vowing to destroy the British government and replace it with a white supremacist regime, and there were numerous white supremacists in Britain publicly avowing that they were on board with this program, and one of them drove into a crowd of pedestrians and then stabbed a police officer, would Digby Jones be saying that the attacker’s white supremacism was irrelevant?
“Britons are denouncing Donald Trump Jr.’s attack on London’s mayor,” by Isaac Stanley-Becker, Washington Post, March 22, 2017:
…British lawmakers emerging from Westminster Abbey, where they found sanctuary after the attack, also defended the mayor — and insisted his Muslim identity would not be a factor as the city comes to grips with the incident.“There should not be a single thought about what his identity is,” said Pola Uddin, a member of the House of Lords. “This is a moment of reflection for all Londoners, and should lead us to consider the fact that we largely haven’t experienced such attacks before, while other cities have.”
Dominic Grieve, a Conservative MP, said the mayor was not in a difficult position owing to prior statements on terrorism and security — “none whatsoever,” he said.
The message the mayor has sent to London residents is fitting, said Digby Jones. “You’re safer in London than you’ve ever been,” he said. “If this turns out to be an act of Islamic terrorism, I think the fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant.”
JawsV says
Digby Jones is an ignorant nutball and contributing to the downfall of his country. Incredible watching London implode before our eyes and the powers-that-be doing nothing about it. Excusing the problem, in fact, which is Islam.
joy says
YOU ARE SO RIGHT
mortimer says
Digby Jones has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS. By ignoring reality, great fools like Jones EMBOLDEN THE TERRORISTS TO STRIKE because all they see is OPPORTUNITY AND WEAKNESS, rather than A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE VICIOUS JIHAD DOCTRINE combine with the DETERMINATION to resist it!
Digby Jones’ naivety INVITES the TERRORISTS to take advantage of the flabby, uninformed STUPIDITY of UK politicians.
JIHAD-WARFARE AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS is the PRIME DIRECTIVE of Islam.
Westman says
One could assume that the “implosion” is just beginning.
The word that best describes this “apparent” stupidity in the House Of Lords is perfidious. Look it up, it applies well to Europe’s unpatriotic economy-at-any-cost leaders. PERFIDIOUS.
Carolyne says
The House of Lords’ members were elected by nobody but an accident of birth. The sooner the British get rid of these bugged eyed, dumb products of cousin marriage (Yes, they marry close relatives in order to keep their wealth in the family) the better off they will be. This has no place in modern society and certainly has no place in civilization that a person who is born into nobility, no matter his morals or intelligence, will sit in one of the Houses of Parliament as a master of Britain
Muslim May should not have been placed in her position as PM after she wore a rag on her head to please the Muslims. A Muslim should not be allowed public office just as a Catholic may not marry a member of the Royal Family.
The people in control of the land of Magna Carta are destroying it. Get rid of them, English, if you wish to preserve your country and your lives.
Danny says
By birth? You ignoring the facts
john spielman says
So it NOT RELEVANT? that the mass murder (along with thousands of others who belong the death cult formerly known as islam) want kill us and this desire is backed up by numerous verses from the
” holy ” books held dear by said murderer and by thousands of others in Britainistan ( formerly known as the UK)??
all I can say is that there needs to be a regime change in the UK before civil war breaks out between the civilized ones and the BABARIAN invaders
Erl Roe says
This “Dickhead” has his head so far up the arsehole of political correctness and for so long , …. he would not know the difference between crap and clay if were shoved down his throat
jim hane says
Unfortunately, there are many people like Digby Jones!
They are blinded by political correctness and come up with all sorts of excuses for Muslim terrorists and for Islam.
A Harris USA says
Jaws V, the guy looks like he is on some sort of drugs….. He thinks that Islam had nothing to do with following the instructions from ISIS is just a weird fluke??? His drugs may convince him of that, but there are those of us who, never ever will buy that ball of shit!!
Jeanette says
The Koran commands Musilms to kill non-Muslims.
So this twit would have to argue that neither Muslims nor the Koran have anything to do with Islam.
D.M. Dickson says
I’ve often thought that God must have a lively sense of humour. Not only for having made us, but also for keeping us around for so long. And G.K Chesterton, commenting on the question of why Jesus so often in the gospels, after keeping a straight face during some episode of his disciples (pre-Pentacost of course) showing major signs of pettiness and buffoonery, would go away alone to seek privacy and solitude. He did pray regularly of course, but Chesterton also felt that maybe he was just as often seeking an opportunity to get away from them all just to have a good laugh.
Anyhow, the picture above of the right honorable gentleman Digby Jones, apart from proving how life so often seems to imitate art, especially the art of satire and the absurd, also makes one suspect that if not Our Lord, then certainly some of his angels, must have had a hand in the fact that the gentleman in question is a near perfect representation of the great Red Skelton doing Clem Kadiddlehopper. With a few less IQ points of course. Even Clem could could have distinguished Mahmud from “Shinola.”
carol says
JawsV…”Digby Jones is an ignorant nutball…”
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This explains it then. When I saw the quote with that picture directly underneath I burst out laughing…so surreal, so fitting!
England really has given the keys to the inmates!
RAB says
Why should anyone be surprised at this common claim that violence committed by Muslims in the name of Allah has nothing to do with Islam? I hate making personal comments. We should deal solely with the empirically verifiable facts, but just look at this man’s face. He may be a genius under the surface but he appears to be just one more useful idiot for Islam. There, that is my only ad hominem attack. From now on, give me only the facts, Ma’am, only the facts. They are more than enough to condemn Islam.
mortimer says
Digby Jones is LAZY. He has not bothered to learn the JIHAD DOCTRINE, KAFIR DOCTRINE, ISLAMIC APARTHEID DOCTRINE or MISOGYNY DOCTRINE of Islam, and yet, preposterously, presents himself as an EXPERT.
Without reading ISLAM’S primary, source texts, how can Digby Jones offer a worthwhile OPINION? He can’t and his uninformed OPINION is worthless and harmful because it emboldens the terrorists who see how CLUELESS Western politicians are about JIHAD.
Jones does not realize that ALL MUSLIMS have a duty to conduct and SUPPORT JIHAD AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS … whether they want to or not.
Aloha Akbar says
Therefore, anything Benny Hill… I mean Digby Jones, anything he says is utterly and completely irrelevant.
Except that whatever he says will add to the mental deconditioning of any who listen to the fool.
Anthony Ianosel, L.C says
LONDON MAYOR SHADICKI AND ERDOGAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THEIR OFFICE’S ROOFTOP CONDEMNING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS THE HEINOUS SPECTACULAR CRIMES [AGAINST INNOCENT INDIVIDUALS] HIS FELLOWS INTERNATIONAL JIHADI COMMITTED UNDER THE NOSE OF THE QUEEN OF BRITISH EMPIRE! That’s the kind of brazen bureaucracy London has elected to lead and protect its innocent individuals against the evils of international Jihadi forces! People should throw both of them out of their Office [even by referendum] and elect a British Mayor with a British heart, and a Turk President with much more discernment–and not given to blackmailing EU nations!
Krazy Kafir says
There are so many quisling dhimmi traitors in Europe that it staggers the mind. Far more that America…..for now.
Infidel lives matter says
“This is a moment of reflection for all Londoners, and should lead us to consider the fact that we largely haven’t experienced such attacks before, while other cities have.”
So Londoners should just be greatful that not a whole lot more people have been slaughtered by muslims? It’s not even true. There’s been countless jihad attacks in London.
Dawn says
I know I thought the same thing unbelievable really unbelievable. I am not laughing but what is wrong with these people. They have their heads so far stuck in the ssnd. Just to protect Muslims
mortimer says
Agree with Dawn. They are protecting the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and ISIS from criticism. Worldwide, well over 200 MILLION Muslims are sympathetic to ISIS and other TERRORIST GROUPS.
In UK over 50,000 people downloaded the Al Qaeda TERROR MANUAL in 2016!
Not 5 or 10 people … 50 THOUSAND!
Santa Voorhees says
I just checked that out. There is exactly instructions on how to mow down people with cars and/or how to inflict maximum casualties.
What is disturbing is that I’ve found another article called “The ultimate mowing machine” and starts with this statement: “America is a terrorist state and subjects Muslim countries to the worst forms of terrorism”.
So, muslims have terrorized us (as the Koran commands) for the last 1400 years (when America wasn’t even a thing) and now they (Al Qaeda) are trying to spin the fault on us?
I guess war is deceit, right?
Mysteeq says
There is to be a march in london against this islamic terror on Saturday, April 1. Look up Britain First and show your support for Democracy.
mortimer says
“Turhibunna” (terrorise them) – Koran 8.60
How is the Koran’s commandment to terrorise ‘irrelevent’?
Is the Koran ‘irrelevent’?
Is Digby Jones making up his own ‘facts’ and his own separate, reality? That is not just neurotic, but a psychosis!
Digby Jones is a case of Islamic Stockholm Syndrome.
Mary miller says
So many times through all this, I keep thinking of my grandmothers wise sayings. One was
First you abhore
Then you endure
Then you embrace
UK is certainly on this path.
Kiel says
The fact that the scumbag was a Muslim tells it all. It has everything to do with his “faith” in the Mohammedan ideology. – As long as Digby Jones and others don’t dare name the enemy by his proper name as long shall we have to deal with this moronic lot amongst us.
Rev g says
The Anglican jihadis are much worse, and harder to pick out of the crowd.
S. Rushdie says
Fortunately there are fewer and fewer Anglicans every year.
Rev g says
Fortunately?
mortimer says
Yes, Anglicans like Florence Nightingale, John Wesley, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Canon Andrew White (Vicar of Baghdad), Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher, C.S.Lewis and ‘worthless extremists’ like that.
Rev g says
LOL
Wellington says
Theater of the absurd.
TJ says
That was interesting the other day when you referred to the muslims as a parasite since they use other people’s inventions to murder them. It certainly is true there has been much more creative ability in the Jewish and Christian dominated culture. I believe the reason for this huge gap is the koran itself is acting as a parasite on the Jewish biblical figures since it co-opts their names and mixes them in with perverted exaggerations with their own race- the Jews. This is the behavior of a parasite against hose people. I think this is here is the reason there is so much more talent in the Jewish-Christian camp as this perverted behavior on the part of the koran should destroy God’s motivation to give them a creative mind. Furthermore, there are passages in the bible which speak to the fact the technology in the world needs to be much greater than it was 2000 years ago in order for Jesus to return. Looks like God is using the Christians and Jews to help facilitate this, and shutting out the muslims from playing a role in the achievement in making the technology good enough for everyone in the world to know He is here. This is in fact what a parasite group who fixes ugly slurs against the Jews together with the Jewish biblical figures deserves. If I was a muslim, I would run.
Wellington says
The Koran, TJ, has a mind-numbing effect which the Bible does not. It is highly repetitive, desultory and suffers from a major case of “Allah on the brain.” Thus it is no surprise to me that Islam has largely prospered only to the extent that it has borrowed from others (never more true than over the last century or so). During the medieval Islamic period there were some interesting thinkers, for instance Avicenna and Averroes, but such people were invariably looked upon by imam and ayatollah types, that is to say the leading control-freaks of Islam who function as such to this very day, as heretics.
But it’s even more than this, even worse than this. Judaism and Christianity, above all other major religions, have placed a tremendous emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual, thus being, among major religions, most compatible with democratic tenets. Other religions are deficient in this specific regard, though still possessing laudable qualities, for instance Hinduism and Buddhism. But Islam, which has virtually no laudable quality, doesn’t give a damn about the individual nor is it possessed of any subtlety as a religion like Buddhism is. It is suffused with submission and control—–from Allah, Mohammed, etc. onwards. In short, of all the major religions of the world, Islam is EASILY the least impressive, and because of its in-built limited and control-freak theological blueprint actually serves as a menace to mankind. Over 30,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks just since 9/11 serves as partial, but only partial, proof of this contention of mine.
I write all this as the agnostic, the completely non-religious person that I am. I have no “religious agenda.”. I simply try to see things as they are to the best of my ability. And looking at Islam as it is, as it has been constructed from the get-go, fills me with both disgust and dread.
It should anyone of sense, irrespective of their being religiously inclined or not, because it is a religious recipe for the stultification of the mind, of the body and of any soul mankind may possess. One need only look at the some 56 Muslim-majority nations in our own time for confirmation of this truth, said nations being places of repression and a dearth of progress that only fools or worse will miss, for instance those, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike, who keep bringing up the tired old argument of Western colonialism as the cause for Islamic backwardness when the real cause of Islamic backwardness is staring one right in the face———–Islam itself.
Aloha Akbar says
Indeed. I wasn’t sure if I had clicked on Jihad Watch or Monty Python 🙂
Mccode says
Mr Digby Jones commenting on the London blitz of WWII, “The political affiliation of the Werhmact soldiers who had rained bombs down on the British was ‘completely and utterly irrelevant”.
Carlos Danger says
Honestly…I thought Benny Hill had died.
Aloha Akbar says
haha. Benny Hill even in his grave has more sense than this guy.
Gene says
Co-conspirator
Santa Voorhees says
“You’re safer in London than you’ve ever been”.
Ehi Dickby, when you’ll return to planet Earth please let us know…
Santa Voorhees says
Well, what would you expect from people stuck in the 7th century?
Islamic Mirror says
Quran indoctrinated Muslim and believer in Jihad and to take violent action against unbeliever
• Koran has 6666 word and 114 chapters
• 154 verses of curses, jihaad and war against non-muslims
• Word hate appears 296 times
• Kill non believer appears 180 times
• Koran 8.60 says ‘TERRORIZE THEM’ (Arabic turhibunna). This is clearly a diving commandment for Muslims to terrorize Kafirs.
• Apparently, it isn’t ‘terrorism’ when Muslims do it.
o Koran describing jews and christians as “animals” and beasts:
Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to “panting dogs” with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.
Verse 7:179 says they are like “cattle” only worse.
Verse 5:60 says the unbelievers are unclean. Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant. Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.
Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.
A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be “mutated Jews” (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).
Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.
• MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE BECAUSE THEY SUFFER FROM QURONIC TRUTH-O-PHOBIA It is well known Muslims are first rate liars – there is no end to their lying. One should never ever trust a Muslim. ANYTHING – that these maggots say – the OPPOSITE is the truth. “In Islam,” he said, “we are against innocent killing.”
• In Islam, only Muslims can be “innocent . Muslim always say to non-Muslims, Islam is peace
Muslims go on killing sprees all over the world. “a true Muslim would never do this.” So what type of Muslim would do this? It could be ANY Muslim :A fake Muslim? A devout Muslim? A moderate Muslim? This is what Muslims do.
Moslems are Allowed to LIE (Taqiyya n Kitman) It is written in the Quran and Hadiths that False Prophet Mohamed instructs his Moslem followers to LIE. Here is Proof =
Surah 16:106 – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Moslem to tell a lie.
Surah 9:3 – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” (The dissolution of oaths with the pagans). If Moslems lie to non-Muslims it is not a sin for them. Surah 66:2 – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths” Lying to Non-Muslims is fine.
Surah 2:225 – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” Allah will forgive Moslems all your lies towards non-Muslims.
Surah 3:54 And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ “Khayrul-Makereen” – literally translated means the greatest of all plotters/ schemers/ deceivers. (NOT planners!) This is confirming that Allah can lie using Deception.Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet Mohamed said, ‘War is deceit.’ So deception by lying is permissible to all Moslems. From Hadith, Bukhari (52:269) Mohamed murdered 30 unarmed men after guaranteeing their safe passage. Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means. Bukhari (84:64-65) Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”
• homicide attacks are the outcome of Islamic prophet teachings, the imams and other Muslim clerics strongly indoctrinate the Islamic doctrine from the Koran, 44:54. 55:56. 78:31., of a sexual /lust- filled paradise with many virgins ,houris, in it for the male Muslim who dies in the jihad for the cause of Islamic allah
• The most ‘perfect’ Muslim is a suicide bomber, who is doing Allah’s duty in killing the infidel, and is rewarded immediately with paradise and 72 black-eyed virgins. All other Muslims must suffer death and the grave. The suicide bombers, being highly esteemed by every Muslim, would certainly want to be recognized for their deeds and sacrifice to Allah. Glory and sacrifice and rewards to the family including that the homicide-suicide bomber can intercede so seventy of their relatives also get into Paradise. ” According to islam, dying in jihad cancels immediately all sins of the “martyr”.
JS says
It’s only relevant if the attacker is Christian and if it advances liberal agenda…
Santa Voorhees says
It’s only relevant when muslims are victims. Never when they are the perpetrators.
ECAW says
This is surprising because I know that Digby Jones is a great admirer of Winston Churchill. There is a programme on BBC Radio 4 called “Great Lives” in which people talk about the lives of their heroes. Jones chose Churchill but it seems he can never have come across this quote by the great man “Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia in a dog”.
DFD says
Hi ECAW,
Don’t be surprised. Every politician looks for a titan’s shoulders to stand on, and thus get associated with said titan. Churchill is popular in the UK, thus for a UK politician… Or take the US, I am sure there are a number of politicians who, given the right opportunity, will proclaim that their ideals are Washington, Lincoln etc., well, the latter may not work so well in certain souther regions 🙂
Conversely can you imagine a politician in the northern hemisphere to proclaim that he/she admires Adolf or Joseph?
Makes sense?
Pumbar says
Sadiq khan?
revereridesagain says
Benny Hill lookalike buffoon Digby is the poster boy for what has happened to the UK.
Meanwhile in Clichy, France…
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/allahu-akbar-defiant-muslims-block-traffic-pray-street-unauthorized-paris-mosque-closed/
Marine-hu Akbar! Let’s hope the French have grown sufficient spine to not listen to the Digby clones in their midst and vote Le Pen so they can begin the task of getting rid of the mosques both indoors and outdoors.
Westman says
“There should not be a single thought about what his identity is,” said Pola Uddin, a member of the House of Lords. A body politik which more than any other in the UK benefits from the introduction of foreign labor, legal or otherwise, and is most shielded from the results.
“Maximizing returns to shareholders” – a completely amoral endeavor when carried out without regard for its effects on the nation – will be the downfall of the West. It now attracts mass cheap labor, not the previous thin “brain drain” of the 4 decades after WWII. And due to the selfish birthrate of Europe it will be a permanent displacement.
Unfortunately the current mass influx to Europe is a MONOCULTURE with an underlying ideology to absorb anything that doesn’t comply with Islam. It does NOT represent “diversity”.
When Britons speak in the future about how wonderful it was when the economy was healthy, when there was music and art, and the streets were clean and safe, Imams will tell them how much better it is than 30 other countries regulated by Islam.
revereridesagain says
This is essential, and yet how many of them will do it? What reason have they been given not to go on whispering the “old stories of bygone glory” — (“glory”, along with “might”, “bow”, “kingdom”, and other words that promote the longing after power and control, are words that come up way too often in religions across the board) — as they raise their hordes of children, witnessing the aggression of their religion and the cowering of the kuffar in its path, which gives them continued hope that Islam will win in the end? They need to be given incentive, in the form of removing the kid gloves with which they’ve been handled for decades and insisting that they begin to reform their faith and obey the laws of the “unbelievers” who have given them shelter from the desert hellholes controlled by Sharia.
Walter Sieruk says
The jihadist or jihadists attacks in Western nations be the Muslim terrorists in the city of London, as in this week, or Brussels , Paris, Nice, Berlin ,Madrid. Those jihad-minded Muslim terrorists who engage in those vicious Islamic terror attacks cannot be and will not be reasoned with. They will not respond to either logic or reason. They aren’t interested, at all, in reason or logic. So they have to be dealt with by a strong force of might. Either by the police or the military. This statement is upheld by the Bible, Romans 13:1-4. To put this all in another way, it may truly be said that to even try to reason with a jihad-minded Muslim terrorist is just as much an act of futility as trying to teach algebra to a rabbit.
somehistory says
Okay, so moslims have nothing to do with islam. The term “islamic” has nothing to do with islam.
“islamic terrorism” has nothing to do with moslims.
His eyes are wide open, he’s lying with his tongue, but he will be surprised when it doesn’t work for him to continue as he has been.
Lies to further the image of satan’s beast so it can continue to devour all of mankind.
mortimer says
RCH quoted: “misguided follower of the Holy Prophet” … it’s hard to know how that is meant. It appears that the AUTHOR of the quote (Jorgenson) is MISGUIDED if he thinks there is a ‘NICE’ Mohammed. THERE IS NOT.
Mohammed was a war-lord, highwayman, rapist, plunderer and contract-killing godfather.
Jorgenson has not read the Sira or Bukhari, and yet, preposterously, presents himself as an AUTHORITY on Islam.
Mr. Jorgenson, ALL Muslims MUST imitate Mohammed, but most do not.
Angemon says
The attacker has been described as a “bodybuilder”. Is the body-building community not deserved the same degree of respect as the one being given to muslims? And the attacker has been described as a “male”. Did someone walked up to him and asked him if he identified as male? Also, identifying him as male serves no other purpose than to denigrate males, the overwhelming majority of which don’t go around killing people.
Hey, if identity politics are being played, I insists them to be played to their full extent – each and any of the possible “identities ” of the murderer must be given the same treatment. If saying he’s a muslim is wrong, why is saying that he was a bodybuilder is not?
Westman says
Let’s just say that jihadists are ruining the image of bodybuilders when it is mentioned and this isn’t the first time. The media pointed out that America’s terrorist, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was a “bodybuilder” and boxer.
DFD says
Careful, or he’ll be baaackk!
DRHazard says
“If this turns out to be an act of Islamic terrorism, I think the fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant.”(Digby Jones basically talking down to people who actually have a functioning brain)
Yeah, you never know who is going to commit an act of Islamic terrorism. It might be the non-Muslim wife of an Islamist who carries out the act. Possibly a hostage with a remote controlled bomb attached to them. Or maybe somebody whose formal conversion to Islam was delayed. Then we have all the people who actually read the Quran and believe it; we all know they aren’t Muslims. In fact, the more a so-called Muslim knows about the Quran, Hadith, etc. the less likely they are to be a “real” Muslim. That is unless you lie about it, in which case you can become a commentator for CNN).
Westman says
Before the first Gulf War, CNN was known by other media as “Chicken Noodle News”. It seems to have returned to that level.
SK says
It’s relevant because it is related to the motive. If we weren’t talking about ideological violence, we would not be discussing his, (or any Muslim terrorist’s) demographic identity, because there is no valid reason to believe that the man didn’t do the attack due to :
1) him believing that it was religiously incumbent upon him to engage in asymmetric warfare against the state (even though many Muslims (i.e. Sadiq Khan) are vocal about their disagreement about this very point being valid)
2) part of his religious beliefs about the West and dealing with “grievances”, largely dissimilar to how other groups deal
3) that he believes that his actions are not only acceptable, but glorifying, and that he is doing a religious service, even though there are Muslims who can’t agree with that.
4) support for the framework or paradigm of armed propaganda employed by violent militant Islamists (note his attempt to copy actions employed by other jihadists)
“What about” isn’t really enough to cover it for me and change my focus.
I’m willing to accept that there is such a thing as terrorism (but only in terms of assym. warfare and armed prop.) that isn’t done by Muslims, but that is not enough to put his motivation out. Demographic identity means very little to motivation without the subject invoking it as part of the motive, and they are interested in doing so.
Infidel lives matter says
The Washington Post leaves out the fact that Pola Uddin is a muslim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pola_Uddin,_Baroness_Uddin
John A. Marre says
He’s saying that because of the millions of Muslims already in the UK, and because he doesn’t want his head chopped off.
DFD says
Should he lose his seat, for one reason or another, he will get a job in the Vatican.
God's Warrior says
Our politicians need to do their homework. Looking pretty and talking posh doesn’t cut it anymore.
There is absolutely no debate about our dilemma once we look at the facts, the history, the books that have sponsored millions of atrocities over the last 1400 years.
If they can’t see the seething hatred in their faces, they have no right pretending to lead the country.
Henner720 says
Its not irrelevant.
There has been no evidence , as to exclude islam and its narratives, from the possibility to sprout these suicidal disrutive people, as a suitable catalyst. The “hightening” of islams victimization roles spun off this out if control occurrences.But see thats where the real god come in, these behavours where not predicted by man.
AleX says
Given how often these terror attacks occur in the name of a ‘teenee-tiny minority’, one can only assume islam is in danger of being completely taken over by this abject, depraved, unhinged and perverted version of faith.
Again, how do we call this version?
gravenimage says
UK pol on London jihadi: “The fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant”
……………………
For what it’s worth, I believe Digby Jones was referring to the Mayor of London being Muslim, and that this is “irrelevant”, rather than it being irrelevant that Jihad terrorist Khalid Masood was Muslim.
Of course, he is wrong in either case. The craven Sadiq Khan avoided making a public statement for as long as possible, until he was shamed into it. And then, his statement was weak and vague.
AleX says
ISIS recruitment centres are highly selective.
They encourage candidates with a ‘lone wolf’ personality having an ‘asian look’ and a valid British passport.
Raul Rodriguez says
The debate is over, liberals lefties are suicidal, and they are dragging the West with them down the cliff, only a miracle bigger than the Red Sea crossing can save the West from been overrun and taken over, weakness and delusion together with ignorance will only incentivate the enemy, in Hosea 4: 6 we read my people die for lack of knowledge, they rejected the true source of knowledge.
jewdog says
If you have any doubts about Darwin’s theory of natural selection, just listen to this Digby specimen. Thousands of years from now there will be exhibits in museums featuring such people, alongside the dinosaurs.
DFD says
I take the liberty to correct you a bit. Dinosaurs died out for environmental reasons, not for lack of brains.
jewdog says
You’re right. I meant no disrespect to the dinosaurs.
reyol says
The state religion is no longer the Church of England. It is Secular Humanism. It’s main tenet – that all people are the same everywhere – is enforced by political correctness, mandatory diversity, mass immigration and by declaring any sense of nationalism to be racism. Digby Jones is upholding Secular Humanism and Baroness Pola Uddin is advancing Islam. Together, they are denying the evidence of our own eyes.
Stan Lee says
Well then, if your statement was really the case, when was the last time a “secular humanist” attacked and killed Muslims on British soil?
reyol says
If my statement is the case, why would they?
Stan Lee says
The fact that the perpetrator was a Muslim was not irrelevant to Masood, the criminal from Muslim indoctrination and his decision to create death, mayhem, and chaos which were his directives from his quran to validate himself to Allah.
The big question is: How long will it take for the Brits to flush out the political correctness from British life and regain what British morality once meant to freedom, liberty, and the human race in the civilized world?
Digby Jones is a travesty the British people can well do without, he has nothing to contribute but appeasement to a people who would snuff him out in a minute if he was available to their mission on British land..
BKMart says
“UK pol on London jihadi: “The fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant”
Every Islamic terrorist hearing and reading that statement are grinning from ear to ear not believing their good fortune…
Greyhound Fancier says
And, while you’re at it, think about why it is the the islam-oppressed parts of the world are rife with poverty, violence, disease, and ignorance.
The “Golden Age” of mohammedanism was the period when the invaders hadn’t succeeded in discouraging the indigenous population to give up their faith in favor of islam. The whole islamic enterprise is unsustainable – too few dhimmi, who supports the muslims? They are unable, as a group, to support themselves in any type of dynamic, growing society.
Anne Smith says
Too true. Every appeal on the TV for starving victims of wars shows pics of little Muslim children and head scarved mothers, all suffering malnutrition, war wounds and deprivation. Why is it just them?
Isn’t it time the politicians asked some searching questions instead of blathering on about the wonderful religion of peace. Not a lot of peace in Muslim countries – worldwide.
Lor says
If it turns out that he was…..East Indian,…..Chinese, Peruvian, Mexican, or American Indian (to name some examples) , it is completely irrelevant.
“If this turns out to be an act of Islamic terrorism, I think the fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant.”
No Fear says
What ? The man operated the valve that gassed Jews? The fact that the man was a Nazi party member is utterly and completely irrelevant.
jak says
What a dickweed!
Anthony Ianosel, L.C says
LONDON MAYOR SHADICKI AND ERDOGAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THEIR OFFICE’S ROOFTOP CONDEMNING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS THE HEINOUS SPECTACULAR CRIMES [AGAINST INNOCENT INDIVIDUALS] HIS FELLOWS INTERNATIONAL JIHADI COMMITTED UNDER THE NOSE OF THE QUEEN OF BRITISH EMPIRE! That’s the kind of brazen bureaucracy London has elected to lead and protect its innocent individuals against the evils of international Jihadi forces! People should throw both of them out of their Office [even by referendum] and elect a British Mayor with a British heart, and a Turk President with much more discernment–and not given to blackmailing EU nations!
gene says
please researsh the fact that overpaid celebrities are causing infation the rediculas high pay scale that they receive causes prices of goods to go up thats why there are so many advertisements on tv /radio the money to pay them has to come from somwhere
Mickey Oberman says
“The fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant”
Digby Jones can only be talking about himself.
Richard says
So it was not even gangster Islam which provided the rationale for surrender ?
Crusades Were Right! says
I guess, as a certain Jihad Watch director is always telling us…
…Britain IS finished!
Paul Ashley says
I lived in England for a few years in the late 60s and loved it. I have relatives there I would like to visit but given that once-great country’s capitulation to Islam, I highly doubt I’ll ever return. So sad to watch this.
Solo712 says
The snake dance about the identity and motives of the Westminster assassin started before his body was was removed from the scene of the carnage. The first police communique described him as “Asian”. Have you seen the man’s face? Does he look anything like Asian to you?
Solo712 says
The snake dance about the identity and motives of the Westminster assassin started before his body was was removed from the scene of the carnage. The first police communique described him as “Asian”. Have you seen the man’s face? Does he look anything like Asian to you?
FYI says
..And I guess the fact that he had a knife had nothing to do with the fact that he killed a policeman… with a knife….
The fact of the matter is that this murderous savage was a convert to islam and the koran preaches hatred and violence against infidels.It is perfectly clear that there is a connection(except it seems to the Leftist Liberal politicial leadership of the UK).
John A. Marre says
Say Digby, old chap, is it true that gays are afraid of Muslims and will not say anything bad about them for fear of being thrown off a high building?
tgusa says
He presumes to know islam better than muslims themselves. I am surprised he is not getting death threats from the rop as a result of that.
tony46 says
”Islamism is a cancer””
Winston Churchill
David F Mayer says
The fact that the bombers that conducted the Blitz over London bore German markings had nothing to do with the cause of the attack.
Babs says
Note that Digby Jones is Minister for Trade and Investment. As such he has bypassed whatever critical faculties and conscience he may have in order to chase the Arab/Muslim dollar.
In those circumstances, it should be small wonder that such a one should say what he did.
In short, he’s sold what passes for his soul to the muslim devil and his actions may well yet come back to smack him
The UK needs a Geert Wilders to put idiots like him back in their box.
Mateen Elass says
“The fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant”
Friends, except for the comment above by Gravenimage, it seems that all of you (and Robert Spencer also) misconstrued the context in which the above comment was uttered by Digby Jones. If you go back and read the Washington Post article from which this was taken, it is clear that this statement was not made regarding the jihadi attacker Khalid Masood, but rather regarding London Mayor Sadiq Khan. Jones and other UK pols were rushing to the mayor’s defense after a tweet by Donald Trump, Jr. criticizing him for saying (according to a headline by the Independent) that major cities must accept the reality of terrorism. The defense of Khan included the notion that “the fact that [the mayor] is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant [presumably to the fact that London suffered a terrorist attack by a Muslim].
I have no disagreements with most all that has been said above in the comment section about Islam, and about dense politicians, but, in fariness, we ought to make our comments based on reality rather than faulty assumptions.