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Ahmadi Muslims facing discrimination…in Wales

Apr 24, 2017 11:14 am By Robert Spencer

Did the British think that they could bring in large numbers of Muslims without bringing in the problems for religious minorities that plague those minorities in Muslim countries? Did they give that even a moment’s thought? Did they think, for that matter, that they could bring in large numbers of Muslims without bringing the jihad upon Britain? They will rue never having given that a moment’s consideration as well.

“Ahmadi Muslims ‘facing discrimination’ in Cardiff,” by Nicola Bryan, BBC News, April 23, 2017:

Members of a Muslim sect in Cardiff claim they are facing discrimination from other Muslims in the city.

Worshippers at the Ahmadiyya mosque in Canton said other Muslims had shunned them, with one claiming he was sacked from a restaurant and another that he was accosted for selling Islamic books.

Ahmadis have been declared non-Muslim in Pakistan because they do not believe Mohammed was the final prophet.

The Muslim Council of Wales (MCW) said it “abhorred” any type of persecution.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission confirmed it had “received correspondence” about the matter.

In a written statement, the MCW said: “Sunni and Shia Muslims do not recognise Mirza Gulam Ahmad as the Messiah… whereas the Ahmadiyya do.

“This forms a theological schism, and one which the majority of Sunni and Shia scholars consider to mean that Ahmadiyyas have moved beyond mainstream Islam.

“We abhor strongly any persecution based on religion, race, gender, disability or sexual orientation and support the religious freedom of all, including the Ahmadiyya.

“This is a value that unites Muslims and faith groups across the globe.”

There are fewer than 150 Ahmadis in Cardiff and many came to the city after being the subject of sectarian attacks and persecution in Pakistan.

Mubarik Bashir, who prays at the Ahmadi mosque, claimed he was fired from an Asian restaurant in the city because of his beliefs.

He said: “I went to work there for three weeks. [But I was told] the owner is not happy with me. They told me ‘I think you’re Ahmadi. My customers are not happy. Please leave this job’.

“I was very upset. After that I wasn’t working for two or three months.”

Another member of the community, Arshid Mahmood, said he had been verbally abused for selling Islamic books.

He said: “Two years ago we held a [religious] bookstall in Cardiff Bay. Three Arab Muslims came and said ‘well done’… and took three or four books to distribute.

“After 10 or 15 minutes they came back and threw the books and said ‘you are not Muslim. Why are you distributing these books?’

“They abused us and went.”

Abdur Shakoor, who also worships at the Sanatorium Road mosque in Canton, said other Muslims had refused to greet him.

“I work in an Asian community… I try and say ‘Salam Alaikum’ to them and they won’t answer it, they won’t say ‘Salam Alaikum’ back to you or give you respect,” he said….

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  1. Moses says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Let the false islamaphobic accusations begin!!!!TAAQUIYA AT IT’S BEST.

  2. Guy Byars says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    Pretty soon they will be bombing each others Mosques.

    • Aton says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 3:19 am

      Not the Ahmadi, as they seem to be a fully peaceful form of Islam.
      This is another difference with standard islam – the Ahmadi do preach proper peace and tolerance, not taquiyya peace and tolerance.

      Aton

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 25, 2017 at 10:09 am

        By Islam’s own definition, anyone who doesn’t follow the Koran is not a Muslim.

        The Koran commands that Muslims kill non-Muslims – it is a litany of violence sprinkled lightly with Trojan horse pretenses of peaceful intent.

        The Ahmadi, by not following the Koran, are not Muslims, according to Islam.

        It is not helpful for already confused westerners to think that there are sects of Islam which are peaceful; we need to get down to business with Muslims and that kind of thinking only slows us down.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 27, 2017 at 3:37 pm

          True–and Ahmadis present themselves as mainstream Muslims, which just confuses a lot of Infidels.

  3. overman says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    Yes, Cardiff [the capital of wales] is swarming with muslims. And because they breed like rabbits on viagra, the muslim population is expanding rapidly. People don’t realize the muslim problem covers the whole of the UK not just England – every city and town is being invaded with muslim refugees. l know a small welsh town where they’ve taken in refugees and put them up in either private housing or in council housing [ahead of local ppl who have been on waiting lists for years]. lt’s a cancer that widespread.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 10:16 am

      Islam is the weapon being used by globalist leaders to get rid of the biggest block to their goal of global depopulation as per U.N. Agenda 2030.

      That block is western civilization.

      • overman says

        Apr 25, 2017 at 8:19 pm

        Yes Jeanette. l think their aim is a Global Army.

      • Linnte says

        Apr 25, 2017 at 11:09 pm

        With ya 100% Jeanette!

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 27, 2017 at 3:30 pm

        Jeanette, I have read UN Agenda 2030. It is socialist and hints at income distribution–things I am *no* fan of–but no where does it talk about wiping out most of humanity. Where are you getting this?

    • Pet Charles says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 6:39 pm

      He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. I just cannot bring myself to be alarmed or feel sympathy anymore. I can understand bringing in the first batch because people were ignorant. But now there is evidence of suicide attacks, marches, Sharia, social unrest, curtailment of freedom of speech, and the people are still allowing the government o bring them in. So they deserve what they get.

  4. Karen G says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    I live in Canada and have read that the sunni leader in Alberta was not invited to attend the opening of the Admadi mosque because they are not really muslims.

    Her is an article about a so called Canadian in Pakistan wanted for attacking an Admadi mosque.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-government-asked-to-investigate-whether-toronto-area-man-involved-in-siege-on-pakistan-mosque

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 9:07 pm

      And in Indonesia a Muslim mob beat Ahmadis to death–while the police watched.

  5. Jayell says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Thus speaks the Muslim Council of Wales (yea, verily, for it is they….yes, yet another bl**dy ‘muslim council/commission/parliament/whatever sounds pompous enough)…….”“We abhor strongly any persecution based on religion, race, gender, disability or sexual orientation and support the religious freedom of all, including the Ahmadiyya”

    Nicely put, chaps, and very convincingly nicked from from some local governemant handout somewhere, because it makes it look so IMPORTANT and OFFICIAL even though we’ve read that sort of thing umpteen times before…….but NOT in the Qu’ran. So aren’t we proper muslims anymore? Or are we telling pork pies (= lies)? Take your pick.

  6. Bazza says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    I must admit, as a Welshman who has lived in Wales my entire life, I find the Ahmadi people I know, (My son-in-law is one?) quite unlike any other muslim I’ve come across! They have no problems assimilating (Unlike the mainstream Sunni/Shia crazies!) and as far as I’m aware, they don’t agitate for Shariah law and are quite happy on special occasions (Weddings/Christenings etc.) to enter a church or chapel?
    It’s also the case, that they are very much, Public Enemy No.1 for almost all other muslims, being considered even below Christians etc.!!
    They firmly accept that they are considered to be the worst kind of Khuffars in Islam and, in the fairly recent case of a shopkeeper being murdered in Scotland (By a Sunni who travelled 300 miles just to kill him!) just because he wished people a ‘Happy Easter’ he was, in fact an Ahmadi?
    Maybe, just maybe, regarding the Ahmadi, it could be construed the case that ‘your enemy is my enemy’ for want of a better description?
    Having said all that, my son-in-law is now an apostate having converted to Christianity but, he does have serious concerns for his family who remain Ahmadi’s and live among the ‘crazies’ still?

    • salim says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 2:55 pm

      Ahmadi Muslims are a small minority wherever they go, small minorities tend to be more law abiding. The Sunni Muslims in the UK, and elsewhere in Europe, were fine back in the 1950s/1960s.

      Ahmadi believe in a prophet after Mohammed, which is an unforgivable sin to Sunni Muslims. They probably would be more acceptable if they don’t call themselves Muslims at all, even better if they don’t believe in Mohammed and Quran, then Sunnis would consider them like Hindus or Buddhist. Their current situation makes Sunni Muslims consider them as a fifth column.

      I don’t know why Ahmadi Muslims want to be Muslims at all and why they defend a religion that rejects them. I have noticed that some Ahmadi muslims can be fierce defenders of Islam and mislead others by projecting a nice soft face of a harsh religion without saying they believe in the Ahmadi version of the religion.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 24, 2017 at 10:11 pm

        Very true, Salim.

      • bonnie loranger says

        Apr 25, 2017 at 10:23 am

        true Salim but Amadhi are also skillful liars. I went to their mosque and listen to them, They deny the crucifixion, that divinity of Christ. The imam told me that Christ went to indie and live to be 87 years old .They think Mohammed is saintly and so for. I even Wrote to Robert Spencer who wrote several articles on the Amadhis and he told me they lie.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 25, 2017 at 8:30 pm

          True, Bonnie. Ahmadis defend and lie about Islam–even though orthodox Muslims want them dead.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 10:11 pm

      Bazza wrote:

      I must admit, as a Welshman who has lived in Wales my entire life, I find the Ahmadi people I know, (My son-in-law is one?) quite unlike any other muslim I’ve come across!
      ……………………………..

      That this because they are not orthodox Muslims, Bazza. Most notably, the don’t believe in violent Jihad–one of the main reasons mainstream Muslims hate they so much.

      But they *do* believe in the brutality of Shari’ah law–just not in using violence to impose it. Ask your son-in-law’s family if they would be fine with Shari’ah if a majority of the populace voted it in–you might get a very troubling answer.

      More:

      Maybe, just maybe, regarding the Ahmadi, it could be construed the case that ‘your enemy is my enemy’ for want of a better description?
      ……………………………..

      I am very happy that Ahmadis are not slaughtering us–that’s the level we are reduced to re Muslims–but they regularly whitewash the horrors of Islam for the Infidels:

      “Ahmadi propagandist claims foes of jihad, not jihad terror, responsible for suspicion of Islam”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/ahmadi-propagandist-claims-foes-of-jihad-not-jihad-terror-responsible-for-suspicion-of-islam

      “Muslim spokesman Qasim Rashid: Noticing Fresno shooter’s screams of “Allahu akbar” is Islamophobic”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/muslim-spokesman-qasim-rashid-noticing-fresno-shooters-screams-of-allahu-akbar-is-islamophobic

      Qasim Rashid is Ahmadi.

      Even though Ahmadis are threatened by their more orthodox coreligonists, they are enjoined to do all they can to enable the spread of Islam.

      How does *this* help us?

      More:

      Having said all that, my son-in-law is now an apostate having converted to Christianity but, he does have serious concerns for his family who remain Ahmadi’s and live among the ‘crazies’ still?
      ……………………………..

      Good for your son-in-law! He has good reason to be concerned for his Ahmadi family being in danger from orthodox Muslims.

      He also has reason to be concerned for himself–you are aware that Muslims violently target apostates just as they do Ahmadis?

      I hope he stays safe–at least he is not in danger from his immediate Ahmadi family.

      By the way, Ahmadis also falsely claim that there is no punishment for apostasy in Islam–they like to pretend that Ahmadiyya Islam is practiced by all Muslims, which it *certainly* is not:

      http://www.ahmadiyya.org/islam/tolerance.htm

  7. Stan Lee says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    …Sunni and Shia Muslims do not recognize the prophet of the Ahmadis, therefore the combined Sunni and Shia religions apparently have strong objection to Ahmadi Muslims claiming any Muslim authenticity.
    It is rather surprising to state in view of the fact that Muslims in general claim that Christians,Hindus, Buddhists and Jews discriminate against Muslims….as if Muslims do not discriminate and worse against at least the four non-Muslim faiths mentioned above.
    Then, in addition, Sunni Muslims discriminate against Shia Muslims, and vice-versa. Wars between them are the result.
    Then comes more irony, as Muslims of one branch of Islam or another, find cause against any non-Muslims which includes all of the non-Muslim religions mentioned above, and directs Muslims to perform acts of violence including murder, conquest, or forced conversion to Islam.
    Considering the fact that President Trump of the U.S.A. wants “extreme vetting” of Muslims wanting to enter the U.S.A.plus limitations for admission, there can be no alternative, U.S.A. is a nation of laws via the U.S. Constitution. Any people who bring their own law with them and intend not to regard the U.S. Constitution as the law of the nation bring with them unnecessary dissension.

  8. mortimer says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 2:22 pm

    Quote: “The Muslim Council of Wales (MCW) said it “abhorred” any type of persecution.”

    This is doublespeak… Islamspeak !! It means the opposite of what CIVILIZED, CULTURED, EDUCATED, DECENT PEOPLE mean with their words.

    Muslims use words in the OPPOSITE of their real, dictionary meanings.

    Muslims know that Sharia law is discriminatory, but since Sharia is DIVINE, nothing divine may be called ‘DISCRIMINATORY’. Islam is filled with such BS.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 10:20 am

      “Muslims know that Sharia law is discriminatory, but since Sharia is DIVINE …” (and just HAPPENS to benefit them!).

  9. No Fear says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    “Worshippers at the Ahmadiyya mosque in Canton said other Muslims had shunned them…”

    Being shunned by muslims is a good thing.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      They don’t just shun them, though, but oppress and persecute them, as well.

  10. Monty says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    My biggest problem with the Ahmadis is that they claim to represent Islam. They do not. It is illegal for the Ahmadi in Pakistan to call themselves Muslims, they are so far from the Islamic ideal. It is another part of the Muslim smokescreen. We point to Sunni and Shia atrocities – that is the real Islam. Ahmadis are the “peace loving” Muslims. The average person (from the top down) has little idea about Islam so gets confused. It allows Islam to creep in under false pretences. Of course the Ahmadi will suffer when Islam takes over. They are unwitting dupes in Islam’s program along with the lefty PC illiberal set.

    • billybob says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      I was going to say that. Many times the MSM will pick an Ahmadi as a spokesperson on some Islamic issue, and the Ahmadis are always more than happy to make someone available. Problem is, they will inevitably give a glowing picture of Islam as a peaceful religion, and I’ve heard it said that for them at least, it may well be. However, the listening audience isn’t informed that the Ahmadi spokesperson does not at all represent Islam, or even 1% of it, and the audience is left with a false impression. Once more, the MSM has failed in their basic reason for existence – to inform us.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 25, 2017 at 10:23 am

        For them Islam is peaceful?

        Only if they ignore a massive amount of the Koran. And if they do that, they are not Muslims.

        It’s the Muslim version of Catch-22.

        • james.mich says

          Apr 26, 2017 at 9:00 pm

          Unless they accept the entire Koran, but maintain that the ethically troublesome bits were intended only for Mo’s time. Maybe they do not accept the authority of those interpreters who treat violent jihad as a permanent obligation for Muslims, and therefore treat the troublesome verses as of purely historical interest.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 12:47 am

      Important points, Monty and billybob.

  11. jewdog says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    No, actually Wales has far fewer Muslims than England, which is probably why they voted against Brexit. The same with Scotland and Ireland. As they say, familiarity breeds contempt, certainly when it comes to Islam. Too bad it has to be such a painful lesson though.

    • Pumbar says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 10:13 pm

      Wales voted for Brexit.

  12. gravenimage says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    Ahmadi Muslims facing discrimination…in Wales
    …………………

    No surprise there. Muslims bring their entire vicious ideology with them–and that includes not just hatred of Infidels and women, but also oppression of other sect and “heretical” Muslims like the Ahmadis.

  13. Matthieu Baudin says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 10:55 pm

    “… There are fewer than 150 Ahmadis in Cardiff and many came to the city after being the subject of sectarian attacks and persecution in Pakistan…”

    This is all about the deep-rooted intolerance of Traditional Islam. Of course they bring along their heavy baggage of prejudices to their new country; how could it be otherwise in a nation such as Britain which continues to follow a Radical Multiculturalist course espousing only minimal adaptation and cultural transformation on the part of immigrants while actively encouraging the creation of ethnic/religious parallel social ghettos.

  14. Linnte says

    Apr 25, 2017 at 3:23 am

    My spirit groans thinking about Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England infested by Islam! Land of Cernunnos, Brighid and the Dragons of King Arthur! Land of Avalon! Merlin! The old Pagan in me, now a Christian, is repulsed by this thought. How could the people of the UK allow the old myths be destroyed and erased by such a diometrically opposed, and wholly demonic ideology? Where are the St. Patrick’s? Where are the Queen Elizabeth the 1st? How could a nation, in 70 years, lose it’s identity???

    And truly, what UK needs most today is a revival of Christianity. The loss of Jesus in people’s lives there has the secondary loss of myth and tradition. So sad.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      Agreed, Linnte.

  15. Glyn Davies says

    Apr 25, 2017 at 4:27 am

    Boo Hoo….they are mean to each other…about a sky fairy…

    • martin says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 5:50 am

      Rabid types of atheists have done much to assist islams agenda.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 25, 2017 at 10:25 am

        And so have a bunch of Christians. That’s what “Chrislam” services do.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 8:39 pm

      Glyn, if Muslims are mean to other Muslims, they are mean to Infidels, as well–and not just non-Muslim people of faith.

      Do you really believe that Agnostics and Atheists are not at risk, as well?

  16. martin says

    Apr 25, 2017 at 5:48 am

    I have found ahmadi muslims to be as sick and depraved liars to disguise quran, hadith etc as other sects of islam muslims

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 8:42 pm

      Yup.

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