Why would anyone expect them to say anything different? The mandate to beat one’s wife is in the Qur’an:
“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” — Aisha (Sahih Muslim 2127)
“Hizb ut-Tahrir video condoning family violence slammed as ‘abhorrent’ by MPs and advocacy groups,” 9News, April 13, 2017:
Politicians and advocacy groups have slammed a Facebook video by an Islamic group which condones domestic violence and describes hitting wives as “a beautiful blessing”.
The video, which was shot during an all-women’s event in Sydney’s west and posted to Facebook by the women’s branch of Hizb Ut-Tahrir, was revealed by The Australian newspaper this morning.
It features two Muslim women explaining that according to their understanding of Islam, men can discipline their wives by “hitting” them with a small stick or twisted scarf so as not to cause pain.
“It’s very evident that this is symbolic in nature,” one of the women said.
Federal Minister for Women Michaelia Cash said the attitudes expressed in the video were “completely out of touch with community standards”.
“The Facebook video posted by Women of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia condoning and encouraging violence against women is abhorrent,” Ms Cash said in a statement.
“These attitudes have no place in modern Australia.
“Domestic violence is abuse – plain and simple. It is not ‘a beautiful blessing’ as the video describes it.”…
TODAY Show host Ben Fordham said the video echoed recent comments by Australian Federation of Islamic Councils President Keysar Trad, who sparked controversy when he suggested an angry husband could beat his wife as a “last resort”.
Mr Trad later backtracked on the comment and described it as a “slip up”….
Silma Ihram from the Australian Muslim Women’s Association has criticised the video’s message, arguing Islam in no way condones violence.
“Unfortunately, patriarchal cultures and organisations continue to try and relegate Muslim women to domestic duties and control by their husbands,” she told 9news.com.au.
“This was not the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him) nor the intent of the jurists in their interpretations of Islamic law, and definitely should not be condoned in any form today.”…
mortimer says
– “I have not seen any women suffering as much as the believing women.” -Aisha commenting on a Muslim wife whose skin was green from beatings (Sahih al Bukhari 5825)
– “Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it.” Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525)
– Umar Instructs A Man To Beat His Wife and Have Sex with a Slave
Malik Ibn Anas:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, “A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, ‘A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, ‘I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!’ Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young’.
mortimer says
– Abu Dawud (2142) – “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.”
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Mortimer. The “Prophet” beat his child bride Aisha, as well.
J_not_a says
Gross, perverse, disgusting and totally typically islamic. Thanks.
J_not_a says
By the way Mortimer, I was not being facetious, these things need to be brought to light.
mortimer says
Trying asking a Muslim if he/she will denounce WIFE-BEATING or FGM. Ask them IN PUBLIC IN FRONT OF WITNESSES. Write out the question in advance and make sure your witnesses READ the question for legal purposes.
We have to put Muslims in the witness box so they can’t slip out of accountability whenever they want to have LOWER ETHICAL STANDARDS THAN EVERYONE ELSE. Critical thought is NOT ‘racism’. Criticizing an ideology is NOT ‘racism’.
pandainc says
“Unfortunately, patriarchal cultures and organisations continue to try and relegate Muslim women to domestic duties and control by their husbands,”
No, you misguided lady. Your BOOK continues to relegate women to those positions. Tell you what, start a movement to abrogate those sura and see how far you get.
Kris T says
“Disobedience against the husband….”, she said.
In civilized society a woman is not required to “obey” the husband – he’s not better than you, ladies.
Guest says
And he’s supposed to love you! A promise to love and to care for each other. When they hurt you in anyway, that promise is broken.
mortimer says
Islamic marriage is a sex contract having NOTHING TO DO with love.
Benedict says
And the antidote to this miserable, Muslim marriage contract is the unrestrained promiscuity of both sexes as Theodore Dalrymple sheds lights on in his article: All sex, all the time: https://www.city-journal.org/html/all-sex-all-time-11803.html —
or what *is* the antidote, mortimer?
Jeanette says
“Love” is a four-letter word in Islam.
Muslims prefer “control,” which can include violence and murder.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Kris. Even if the blatant lie about beatings being “light” or “symbolic” were true, this would still be disgusting.
mortimer says
Dear GI, The word ‘LIGHTLY’ is PREPOSTEROUS and is NOT in the Koranic text. To the contrary…’strike’ means ‘strike with force’ as we see in K.8.12. FORCE IS USED IN BOTH TEXT TO TERRORIZE.
The SAME word (darb) ‘STRIKE’ or ‘SMITE’ or ‘BEAT’ is used in Koran 8.12 “[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so STRENGTHEN those who have believed. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so STRIKE [darb] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
Would anyone interpret K.8.12 as meaning ‘STRIKE (LIGHTLY) above the necks’ or ‘STRIKE (LIGHTLY) every FINGERTIP FROM THEM’ !!!
How do you LIGHTLY strike off fingers? Or LIGHTLY strike off a head?
So STRIKING is used to TERRORIZE the wife in 4.34.
Cecilia Ellis says
Mortimer, I apologize for interrupting your thread with Graven, but I just had to tell you that your comment is most informative. Thank you for that.
Jeanette says
Or, lightly slice off genitalia?
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Thank you Kris.
What a bunch of idiotic fools. Then again, they’ll be killed-horribly-if they don’t spout this drool.
Haven’t they heard of unionizing?
Benedict says
And in a civilized society a wife can’t require that her husband “obeys” her. That’s the other side of the coin. Nobody should be in command and in case of disagreements, they should go on vacation to separate destinations and reunite after the holiday.
Mary Markstrom says
If her husband tells his wife to go out and kill infidels in the name of Allah she must obey.
PRCS says
” Keysar Trad, who sparked controversy when he suggested an angry husband could beat his wife as a “last resort”.
Mr Trad later backtracked on the comment and described it as a “slip up””
Yes, a slip up–you know, telling the truth in the presence of “filthy unbelievers”..
mortimer says
The Arabic ‘darb’ means to strike with force as is seen by the context of other verses. Smiting or striking is used to TERRORIZE both KAFIRS and WOMEN.
PRCS says
“Silma Ihram from the Australian Muslim Women’s Association has criticised the video’s message, arguing Islam in no way condones violence.”
Is she an idiot or just another lying Muslim?
Mickey says
She’s another lying Muslim. They need to go back to their regions and get out of the civilized countries that have come a long way from what these Muslims believe in.
gravenimage says
Given her statement about Islam, this is almost certainly straight-up Taqiyya.
J_not_a says
She is an idiot lying muzlum.
mortimer says
Silma Ihram (Australian Muslim Women’s Association) is IN DENIAL.
She refuses to admit Islam is MISOGYNISTIC! Islam is clearly misogynistic as many DOZENS of Koran verses and hadiths DEMONSTRATE INCONTROVERTIBLY.
Demsci says
She clearly is lying, yes. We counterjihadists can easily discern this, when viewing all the evidence, in Quran-Hadiths-Sira AND Tafsirs AND present-day Islamic schools of jurisprudence. Yes.
But.. we can also use the countless denials of this kind to our advantage.
To explain: Yes, we can point to Islamic texts as Mortimer so informatively, accurately, admirably, invaluably does. And this is our exhibit A-group of evidence, never to be ignored or denied, thus oft to be repeated by counterjihadists.
But, if the “moderate Muslims” deny, let’s put up this up for all to see and use this as well. The deniers often come up with their invented rules, like: “Oh, what you infidels object to was only DEScriptive, not PREScriptive” or they simply come up with, you know, the MECCAN time verses, a whole lot more peaceful than the MEDINAN verses. Ignoring of course that the latter abrogate the former. or with the argument of the many peaceful nice Muslims etc.
But this can be used by us, in that it shows the MULTI-INTERPRETABILITY AND VAGUENESS OF ISLAM. Look, we are not the guardians of Islamic tenets, but of the DEMOCRATIC tenets.
And if we can demonstrate that hundreds of Millions of Muslims find Islam both Clear AND preaching hate and violence towards infidels/ democratic nations and tenets, AND striving for worldwide supremacy over them, while millions of others deny this, while hundreds of millions of others deduce something much different from same complete doctrine, then ….
We still have ammunition aplenty for our REAL GOAL, that of defending core democratic tenets and values.
Then we can stay out of the discussion who among Muslims have the right and who among them have the wrong interpretations! We can simply point out (in much true detail): Look, Islam is clearly UNCLEAR, in an irresponsible way, and it has no authority to make it’s own rules CLEAR AND BINDING, and it is precisely THAT that makes it so threathening and dangerous.
So, what is important to us is to point to UNCLARITY OF ISLAM and subsequent demonstrable bad, hostile interpretation of Islam by hundreds of millions of Muslims.
And we should hold Muslims in Democratic Nations accountable for choosing UNCONDITIONALLY such an irresponsibly vague religion. And single out the adherents to THAT religion only for refusing them UNCONDITIONAL immigration
and for monitoring them more than Christian, Jewish, Atheist and followers of sundry other religions or ideologies. Look, by now even towards the Communists and Fascists we can somewhat relax our vigilance, but not to the Muslims!
utis says
Let’s face it. Muslim women have extreme Stockholm Syndrome. They see no escape from their captors (parents and then husbands). As long as Westerners are skipping around in hijabs and praising islam, the poor women see no help from that direction. If they protest, they’re dead, literally. So they go through the motions of obedience, hoping for one more breath. They have a lot in common with the North Koreans, who fake love and worship of the Dear Leader and Living God, just to keep from being executed by anti-aircraft weapons.
Demsci says
It boils down to:
If you treat above denials as lies, cover ups, taqqiyah only, thereby unfortunately “painting all Muslims with the same brush” according to Islam’s defenders, then ….
And/ or: If you treat above denials as just as valid or unvalid as other interpretations of complete corpus of Islamic ideology, as:
evidence of multi-interpretability thereof,
thereby allowing differences among Muslims in regard to dangerous, anti-democratic positions and loyalties,
then ….
Jeanette says
No reason idiocy and taqiyya can’t go together.
Gen Jones says
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PRCS says
“”They don’t need these so-called leaders telling them they’re punching bags.”
True! They have Qur’an and Sunn’ah for that.
gravenimage says
Spot on, PRCS.
mortimer says
The video hosts claims that WIFE BEATING HAS BEEN DEPICTED AS ‘BACKWARD AND BARBARIC’!
Would FEMINISTS of today agree that WIFE-BEATING is NOT ‘barbaric’ if MUSLIM MALES DO IT?
Why are today’s holding DOUBLE STANDARDS and why do they not condemn ISLAMIC WIFE-BEATING?
WHY IS ISLAMIC WIFE-BEATING ACCEPTABLE to Western Feminists?
mortimer says
The veiled video hostess is a PERFECT example of the ISLAMIC STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.
Jeanette says
Because feminism has nothing to do with things feminine; it has to do with power and control.
Feminist organizations collect large sums of money in donations (and probably in US TaxVictim funds, too).
How can feminists object to Islam, when both have the same goal – control?
When the first feminist icon is forcibly genitally mutilated by some Muslim, THEN we’ll begin to hear feminists objecting to Islam, and not before.
R Cole says
I’m going to assume the one on the left is a convert to Islam.
Usually Muslim groups use western converts to soften up attitudes around Islam, both taking advantage of the convert’s ignorance of Islam, as well as the western audience’s. Usually the converts are used to deny the more thorn issues, such as wife beating is acceptable in Islam. The western woman in the Islamic headscarf, who has always thought it wrong to beat women, looks at you in all honesty and says, see I joined Islam and I don’t believe this. But clearly things have moved on, now they’re not holding anything back!!
The idea was that if a person shows an interest in joining Islam, they shouldn’t be told everything in the beginning.
Really, if a convert to [moderate or PC] Islam goes to the Islamic world – the people may be happy a westerner has joined, however if they bring up some of the politically correct things we’re told about Islam, they should know Muslims over there will have not have heard this before. That they appear puzzled, might be best, at worst you could be jailed or threatened. Especially if you insist on saying, things like, Muslims are allowed to leave Islam, while in Saudi Arabia or Iran, where there is the death penalty for it or other parts where it’s a crime. Or such PC statements might be interpreted as blasphemous. Better to know the facts.
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Here’s what Algerians think about wife beating ~ in Islam.
https://youtu.be/WtvON3Aifbk
mccode says
Maybe part of the reason Muslim women wear full face veils is to cover their bruises.
“Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused…..”
Apologies to the Eurythmics.
PRCS says
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marina says
If Allah wanted men to beat their wives lightly (as not to cause harm) he would have mentioned it in that verse. But we hear these apologists softening up the beating verse and trying to deceive the world. Mo aka Allah did want the wives beaten.
gravenimage says
And, of course, they only offer this apologia in the West.
Benedict says
I see a another prospect here that nobody else in the comment section seems to have noticed: Muslim men – especially in the West – should be encouraged to beat the h… out of their wives, eventually and hopefully beating them totally out of Islam and into the mainstream cohabitation ideology of our multicultural West. Would that be single mothers with casual sex-partners?
dumbledoresarmy says
“…the mainstream cohabitation ideology of our multicultural West. Would that be single mothers with casual sex-partners?”
Reality check. ‘The West’ is not a monolith.
On *what* evidence precisely do you base your sweeping statement that the norm or ideal of the current generation of ‘western’ women – in every country in Western Europe, plus the Anglosphere – is’single mothers with casual sex partners’???
Because: I personally know plenty of people who are NOT in that category. Young mums who are in publicly-recognised legal relationships – marriages, whether religious or civil – and are NOT messing around.
There are quite a few of them in my extended family here in Australia. I’ve been to engagements and weddings and I’m just not seeing what you claim to see.
Furthermore: yes there are some (by no means all; a minority, in fact) who have cohabited before marriagel but those *I* know, in my own family circle, have then married their partners and produced kids and are now, a good few years down the track, showing every sign of being in for the old-fashioned long haul, ‘forsaking all other’.
Methinks you exaggerate somewhat.
In reality, those Muslim women who have in the past ten-twenty years ditched Islam and embraced ‘the West’ have generally embraced the *best* of the West, its traditional ideal, one man one woman in a faithful marriage. Look at Ayaan Hirsi Ali; she has married and borne a child. Look at Mona Walters; she left Islam, became a Christian, married a Christian Swede, and has two kids **in a classic Christian marriage** (so much for the conventional view that Christianity is dead in Sweden.. it ain’t). Look at ‘Hannah Shah’, author of The Imam’s Daughter. She left Islam (this in the UK), converted to Christianity (yes, in the UK! in that supposedly godless UK!), **met a nice Christian Englishman at the Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve** and is now married to him.
PS Are you one of those who blame all the ills of the modern western world, on the wicked wimmens not being kept sufficiently subdued??
It takes two to tango. A man can exercise self-control, can’t he? How does the single mum get pregnant, if not by an irresponsible male who refuses to ‘keep it in his pants’??
If blokes like you think that immorality is destroying the west, the first step is to … start a campaign focusing on MEN AND BOYS and educating them to not behave like tomcats. Lead by example! Make virginity and chastity and fidelity virtues that guys should aspire to!
Benedict says
dda: I’m inspired in my comment by a brilliant article by Theodore Dalrymple: https://www.city-journal.org/html/all-sex-all-time-11803.html
Its theme is the sexual revolution and its proponents and ideologues that have wrecked havoc everywhere they and it has been embraced. –
I am happy for the glimmers of hope you mention from your social circles and your part of the world, and I am sure many hopeful examples could be added from all over the Western Europe – as you also mention. –
Also, I am not in the business of subduing neither women nor men having enough problems subduing myself.
And you are right, I have a propensity for hyperbole (in order to highlight a tendency that soon enough can be dominating) – and also for sarcasm and irony. For example: how can you have a mainstream in cultures where nobody is doing the mainstreaming and nothing is left to mainstream with?
Finally: Your advice in the end of your comment is very good. If realized it would inevitably result in the taming of the shrew by men and not by tomcats.
Jeanette says
Not to mention, very Muslim woman they kill reduces the population of Muslims several generations from now by probably hundreds of Muslims.
Vic says
I find it interesting that it is the more devout Muslim women who try very hard to defend all the misogynistic verses including teaching them to their daughters and requiring their obedience and compliance. Maybe they are trying to accrue some points with their husbands. It boggles the mind.
Here is a link to a video from Morocco on “how to cosmetically cover up facial or body bruising” that was highly criticized. But this is really no new thing. Salons in the ME especialize in teaching women how to cosmetically cover up these occurrences so they can go on with their lives. Why are feminists not revolted by this satanic concept of women?
https://youtu.be/YP8KNfDkhGE
Jeanette says
It isn’t just Muslim women who behave like idiots.
We have an alleged Christian woman in our family who has joined the political party that supports Muslims and their atrocities, because her husband belongs to that political party.
If she weren’t family, I would cut ties with her (as I have done with former friends who support Muslim atrocities through that political party). As it is, I no contact with her except for an unavoidable few hours once a year.
Kathy says
The link you provided is no longer active – video has been removed from YouTube by the owner – do you have an alternative link?
somehistory says
They can’t help themselves…the truth of just how evil islam is, and the horrific things they take pleasure in…must be exposed for all to see.
dibatag says
The koran is a book of evil and should be banned
somehistory says
Laws against this have been written. Some of them have even been enforced and the creatchures (Ernst T. Bass said “creatchure”) who do this sort of thing to their wives have been sent to jail, to prison, and to counseling.
But the moslim creatchures who take such wicked pleasure in beating their wives expect, everyone to accept it as normal, natural and good.
“They will call bad good and good bad,'(Isaiah 5)
J_not_a says
Omg, I had that exact same scripture in my head when I first saw this article!
Jeanette says
I have it in my head most of the time, these days!
gravenimage says
Australia: Islamic group produces video calling wife-beating “a beautiful blessing”
……………………..
Beating your wife is a “blessing” in Islam–along with marrying prepubescent girls, raping sex slaves, and slaughtering Infidels.
I have no words for how much I hate Islam.
somehistory says
The human mind and heart were not meant to experience such things, and therefore, there can be no words that are adequate to express the feelings generated by hearing, reading, seeing, or knowing they are happening.
gravenimage says
So true, dear somehistory.
The Confessions says
Hi gravenimage, I wrote an article about this. Would appreciate any feedback you may have: https://theconfessionsweb.wordpress.com/2017/04/14/hizb-ut-tahrir-wife-beating-and-the-confusion-of-silma-ihram/
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Quran 4:34 makes a good passage to ask about at a Meet Your Muslim Neighbor Night…
Dear imam, Why are so many Quran passages so hard to understand? Let’s take chapter 4, verse 34 as an example. It goes: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other [Allah has made the one *what* superior the other what? Is Allah comparing one sex to another sex, or one religion to another religion, or alternating current to direct current? And which one is superior and which is inferior?], and because they spend their wealth to maintain them [Pronoun problems: Who spends whose wealth to maintain whom?] . Good women are obedient. [Obedient to whom?] They guard their unseen parts [What are the unseen parts of good women? Their internal organs, like their spleen, liver, and duodenum? How do they guard these unseen parts?] because Allah has guarded them [If Allah has guarded good women’s unseen parts, why has Allah stopped guarding these parts, leaving the task to the good women themselves? And what are the good women guarding their unseen parts *from*? From infection? How?]. As for those [meaning those good women?] from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” [This last passage is fairly clear, but why are the other passages so vague? Is this just a bad translation of the classical Arabic, or was Allah just as mealy-mouthed in the original language as in this translation?]
DRHazard says
One of the most common lies that Muslims repeat ad nauseum is their claim (and Allah’s) that the Quran is easy to understand. “It’s very evident that this is symbolic in nature,” one of the women said. So why, after 1400 years of interpreting the wife beating scriptures, are Muslims not in Universal agreement about the issue? Who determined that the verses describing wife beating are “symbolic”? Why do the people who support the “light” beating interpretation never explain how they came to their conclusion? Why do you have to ignore the “scholars” who lived during Muhammad’s life, or at least during the earliest documented years of Islam’s history, along with their “face value” interpretations of the Quran and Hadith verses on wife beating?
And most importantly, why do so many women sacrifice their own intelligence and sense of self worth at the altar of religious conformity? And do it in the name of a man who wished death on practically anybody who wasn’t Muslim or didn’t buy into his rambling mess of borrowed ideas and childishly wrong scientific errors?
These women have voluntarily dismissed their own common sense and dignity and instead have chosen to spread their distorted (and totally false) version of Islam. If being a “true” Muslim means following the “words of Allah” and the example of Muhammad then how many people, who believe themselves to be Muslim, fall short? Do they ALL step into the bathroom with the right foot? Do they ALL wipe with their left hand using exactly 3 stones? Do they ALL really believe “bad” Jinn have to be prayed away when using the john since disembodied evil spirits just love hanging around bathrooms?
There are NO true Muslims. Instead there are 1.7 billion people who think they are going to Heaven and despise everyone else. If mental gymnastics was an officially recognized sport, Muslims would dominate the field.
A “between beatings” prayer for Muslim women:
“Dear Allah, please rid me of my value as a human being, strip me of every last particle of humanity, trivialize my ability to reason and assist me in making life miserable for “our” enemies. And when I start to think, please, Dear Allah, remind me to dumb it down.”
Westman says
“And, most merciful Allah, help me to keep my husband faithful so that he may enter Jannah and have intimate relations with many houris.”
gravenimage says
Oh, the Qur’an is pretty clear on most matters–including wife beating. Some Muslims are in denial about how savage their creed is; many more are just spouting Taqiyya for the “filthy Infidels”.
maghan says
One excuse has been that to fully understand the “Qur’an”, Hadith and Sirah, one must know Arabic very well. Well, most Muslims don’t know Arabic very well–if at all beyond reciting some statements they don’t understand.
On the other ISIS Caliph, Abubakr Al-Bagdhadi has a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology and is a native Arabic speaker. His views guide the behavior of the ISIS members. In this regard, ISIS behavior would be applauded by Muhammad whose calling card is “I was made victorious through terror”.
Caliph Al Bagdhadi advises his fighting men that “sex slavery is sanctioned by Allah and that a prayer of thanks should be said before and after a rape”. Pure Islam in practice.
Jeanette says
Perhaps it is a Test.
Perhaps there is such a thing as reincarnation, and Muslim women who perpetuate heinous treatment of other Muslim women by going along with it themselves are doomed to return to Earth as Muslim women until they FINALLY have the decency to break that habit.
And, following that idea, perhaps jihadis have to return as Muslim females. That would certainly be a fitting punishment for them.
billybob says
“This was not the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him)”
Muhammad (may he be eternally sodomized by goats) was a rapist. He raped captives of war, and he regularly raped all his wives, since they had no choice in the matter, by his decree.
billybob says
Detroit Muslim doctor performed female genital mutilation on TWO 7-year-old girls who were brought to her by their mothers on a ‘special girls trip’
Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, 44, of Northville, Michigan, has been charged with performing female genital mutilation on two young girls from Minnesota
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4410106/Detroit-area-doctor-charged-genital-mutilation-girls.html
Manny says
How sick. I hope that doctor is thrown in jail for a very long time.
Kessler says
Do muslim women suffer from stockholm syndrome?
gravenimage says
Yes.
dumbledoresarmy says
There is a strong possibility that many are abused – *severely so, and often sexually* – in early childhood. That sort of treatment can produce dissociation – even ‘multiple personality disorder’ – and tends to produce people with no clear sense of self or of boundaries, their own or others’. It destroys the soul, so to speak.
Hannah Shah, in ‘The Imam’s Daughter’, describes how her father, an imam, *raped* her (as well as beating her) *regularly*, from the time she was about six. Why? Because, as a small child with a child’s natural inborn capacity for empathy, she had remonstrated with her dad when she saw him beating her mother. Her punishment for insubordination was to be beaten – and RAPED, repeatedly, night after night for years – by her own father. Incestuous rape; totally soul-destroying. Probably anal rape, in order to preserve her ‘vagina virgin’ value for marrying-off, later on.
In the event, per miraculum, Hannah managed to retain a tiny core of sanity and independent-mindedness, and made a bolt for it the moment she reached her teen years and was big and strong enough to do so. But I would hazard the guess she was unusual. She was in the UK, so she *did* at least have a chance (though she had to get past well-meaning fools who wanted to involve MUSLIM social workers, etc, in her case; she didn’t manage to escape properly until she got a sensible Infidel and a placement in an infidel foster-home).
maghan says
Swedes too.
Manny says
Bwahahaha, a “beautiful blessing” That is so funny. I couldn’t watch the video. There’s something obnoxious about watching Muslims try to persuade themselves that an apple is really an orange.
mortimer says
Manny, not funny, because they are ready to KILL FOR THIS if you laugh at them!
Manny says
They are ready to kill even if I don’t laugh at them.
eD says
The hilarity of it all is that Australia is the North Korea of Western Feminism. Yet when the above happens, the silence is deafening!
tim gallagher says
Being beaten up is such a “beautiful blessing” according to these masochistic Muslim women! It is so sick. They have been indoctrinated to have such a low opinion of their worth by this barbaric ideology Islam. A blessing!!! But, above all, people with these barbaric attitudes have to be kept out of all civilised countries. The big problem is waking the politicians up to the problems Islam brings and having them get the courage to end Muslim migration. . .
davej says
Izlam is a sadistic criminal hoax and the West has largely fallen for it, present company excepted.
Jordan says
It looks like to abstain from beating your wife is one of the deadly sins in Islam, another one is to abstain from Jihad.
sidney penny says
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4409456/Silma-Ihram-says-Islamic-scholars-interpret-Quran.html
But another Sydney Muslim, Silma Ihram, said the passage was taken out of context and it shows that reading the Quran should be left to experts, reports Sky News.
She does not suggest which expert??
dumbledoresarmy says
They *always* repeat, by rote, “out of context, out of context, out of context’.
At which point what they need to run up against is a/ an experienced Arabic-speaking ex-Muslim like Wafa Sultan who can explain exactly what the context is, or b/ someone like Rev Dr Mark Durie, ditto.
Let’s hear the context from the traditional tafsirs… I bet it will make one’s hair stand on end.
Let’s hear about the time Mohammed punched Aisha in the chest, and the time he told his Companions that “a man shall not be asked why he beat his wife”. Because Mohammed establishes the Sunnah: what is permissible and what is not.
*Whatever* he did is judged by no external standard.. it *is* the standard. Muslim ‘morality’ = be a clone of mohammed. Do whatever he did, dress as he did, treat women as he did, treat nonbelievers as he did. Mohammed kept slaves? Then Muslims practising slave-trading and use of slaves is fine, forevermore. Mohammed bedded a nine-year-old girl? Then Muslims engaging in child ‘marriage’ is hallowed forevermore. Mohammed approved of ‘offing’ uppity non-Muslims who *dared* pipe up and make fun of his death-robbery-murder cult? – Then Muslims murdering ‘blasphemers’ – such as ‘atheist bloggers’ in Bangladesh, or a Dutch film-maker, or French cartoonists – is absolutely fine.
maghan says
But the stupid woman does not know that each sura in the Qur’an has a self-contained prescription or description and can stand alone.
sidney penny says
Why did they interview her?
if not for her view which she did not want to give.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4409456/Silma-Ihram-says-Islamic-scholars-interpret-Quran.html
‘You are taking a passage of the Quaran out of its context and trying to act as an Islamic scholar,’ Ms Ihram said.
When asked about the correct interpretation of the quote, she argued it was not her place to say.
‘That is for a scholar to do and not for you or me…What you’re trying to do is take an isolated verse and quote out of context of where it’s supposed to be embedded.’
‘You’re trying to apply an English understanding of that particular verse as a standalone verse which is not what any scholar would do.’
trish says
In Canberra, Australia, a man of Yemeni origin is currently on trial for the murder of his 28 year old wife. He claims innocence and that his wife’s father and brother committed the crime. He alleges they arrived at his house, asked him to leave with his three young children On his return, he found his wife dead. She had been stabbed 58 times, while breast-feeding her 10 month old child.
Evidence presented included a neighbour’s CCTV showing no car activity at the property all night, neighbours reporting hearing shouted argument over several hours, and mobile phone data showing the father and brother had been nowhere near the property at the time of the murder.
The marriage had been troubled. The husband was unhappy in Australia and wished to return to Yemen, whereas the wife wished to remain in Australia with her family. She had earlier left her husband and returned to her parents, but was persuaded to return to him after her father and local community brokered a deal, in which the husband would replace household furniture he had smashed, and replace gold jewellery he had purloined.
There were two other children of the marriage, a boy and girl of 5 and 7. in the house. The son initially obeyed his father, who told him to say the grandfather and teenage uncle had committed the murder, but later admitted to seeing his father bloodstained.
The problem is that many Muslim marriages are simply contractual arrangements between families or tribes. They are not based on love, sexual attraction or even common respect. So, male violence and frustration is almost a given
dumbledoresarmy says
“Evidence presented included a neighbour’s CCTV showing no car activity at the property all night, neighbours reporting hearing shouted argument over several hours, and mobile phone data showing the father and brother had been nowhere near the property at the time of the murder.”
And… I wonder what the forensics showed? Blood, DNA, etc?
trish says
Oh yes, plenty of forensic evidence was presented by the prosecution…I didn’t mention any of the scientific evidence against the man as the point I was trying to make is that despite who actually killed this poor woman, she was the victim of toxic Islamic marriage practices. She returned to this man because her family and community leaders had drawn up a ‘contract’ of financial reparation. We are not told her feelings in the matter.
The man was desperate to return to Yemen. Despite several years in the country, his English was so poor he required an Arabic translator at his trial. He had been sacked from his job just hours before the murder, and his wife had just signed a further 12 months’ lease on the house they were living in. Her certificate of Australian citizenship was found ripped to pieces in the house.
Oh, and this morning’s newspapers report the jury, after a 5 week trial, has found him guilty of murder..
utis says
If domestic battery is such a “beautiful blessing,” why aren’t muslim husbands getting “blessed” with claw hammers and kitchen equipment?
slamic mirror says
Yes**. This is the truth on the ground. 4.34 revelation is mohammed’s fraud
Muhammad said don’t beat your wives. “Allah” specifically overruled Muhammad on precisely that point, and “forced” him to reveal 4:34, commanding that Muslim men beat their wives. Here is the context of 4:34 provided by al-Wahidi
“(Men are in charge of women…) [4:34]. Said Muqatil: “This verse (Men are in charge of women…) was revealed about Sa”d ibn al-Rabi”, who was one of the leaders of the Helpers (nuqaba’), and his wife Habibah bint Zayd ibn Abi Zuhayr, both of whom from the Helpers. It happened Sa”d hit his wife on the face because she rebelled against him. Then her father went with her to see the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. He said to him: “I gave him my daughter in marriage and he slapped her’. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “Let her have retaliation against her husband’. As she was leaving with her father to execute retaliation,
the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, called them and said: “Come back; Gabriel has come to me’, and Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “We wanted something while Allah wanted something else, and that which Allah wants is good’. Retaliation was then suspended”.
Sa”id ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Zahid informed us> Zahir ibn Ahmad> Ahmad ibn al-Husayn ibn Junayd> Ziyad ibn Ayyub> Hushaym> Yunus ibn al-Hasan who reported that a man slapped his wife and she complained about him to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. Her family who went with her said: “O Messenger of Allah! So-and-so has slapped our girl”. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, kept saying: “Retaliation! Retaliation! And there is no other judgement to be held”. But then this verse (Men are in charge of women…) was revealed and the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “We wanted something and Allah wanted something else”. Abu Bakr al-Harithi informed us> Abu’l-Shaykh al-Hafiz> Abu Yahya al-Razi> Sahl al-“Askari> “Ali ibn Hashim> Isma”il> al-Hasan who said:
“Around the time when the verse on retaliation was revealed amongst the Muslims, a man had slapped his wife. She went to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace and said: “My husband has slapped me and I want retaliation’. So he said: “Let there be retaliation’. As he was still dealing with her, Allah, exalted is He, revealed (Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other…). Upon which the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “We wanted something and my Lord wanted something different. O man, take your wife by the hand’ “.
http://www.altafsir.com/AsbabAlnuzol.asp?SoraName=4&Ayah=34&search=yes&img=A
nicholas tesdorf says
After this on air exposure of IQur’an inspired slamic wife-beating, even the Feminists in Australia seem to be shocked awake.
moeped says
An Islamic group promoting violence? This is unprecedented!
vladkoval says
I think that a muslim has more chances to become good secular citizen than a Catholic or Orthodox bigot.
Look at the laws of MENA: Catholics and Orthodoxes do not recognize divorce by mutual accord (when a man and a woman just do not fit each other morally).
Once Al-Sisi offered to the Coptic clerics the law allowing more reasons for divorce – they opposed it. Same shit everywhere in MENA.
Catholic and Orthodox bigots are no better than muslim bigots.
Fuck them all!
Russian Empire had revolution of 1917 which toppled down the rule of clergy bigots.
Europe had Vatican – which is nothing but a toy state trying to adapt to common sense (though poorly)
Only in muslim world those bogots still indirectly have state power. Islam preserved the idiots!
Barry says
It’s the 21st century colliding with 6th century Arabian paganism, that’s today’s overall problem with islam. Its 6th century paganism being superimposed on the enlightened world; the clash of civilizations 1400 years apart and eons of inseparable progressive vs stagnant thought.
Some useful definitions to keep in mind: Assault. (a) A person commits an assault when, without lawful authority, he engages in conduct which places another in reasonable apprehension of receiving a battery. Battery. (a) A person commits battery if he intentionally or knowingly without legal justification and by any means, (1) causes bodily harm to an individual or (2) makes physical contact of an insulting or provoking nature with an individual.
…of course it’s totally within the bounds of sharia, so it’s legally ok for mohammadens, since they have to mimic their prophet in all ways, including wife-beating….and it’s a ‘blessing’ from the rock god…
The ancient supreme rock god of the Arabian pagan Quraysh tribe, allah (according to unverified claims by an amoral Arabian pagan), ‘revealed’ via the biblical angel Gabriel, the rock god’s perfect word…everything coming from the rock god is absolutely perfect, so beating your wife (rock god’s chapter/ sura 4:34) says a man should strike his woman if she is/ remains disobedient…
Personally I have no doubt whatsoever that the messenger of the rock god did in fact hear and receive the rock god’s message….just like in this eloquent passage found in the Hadith:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم as saying: “The Last Hour will not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims kill them to the extent that the Jews will hide behind a rock or a tree and the rock or the tree will say: O’ Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the Gharqad tree (Boxthorn tree) will not say that because it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim). The Jews are currently planting lots of Gharqad trees in Israel to protect them…
All the rocks speaking…..I do believe it’ all true…except that the rocks are all in mo’s and all his followers’ heads….
Islamic mirror says
Beating was a widely-approved method of corporal punishment in the time of Muhammad, according to the hadith. There is no question according to the hadith that Muhammad’s final policy regarding wives and slave girls is that they were to be beaten (or worse). Here is further confirmation that beating was a standard practice,
Beatings approved by Muhammad or at least one companion who became a rightly-guided caliph:
• Beating for not doing prayer:
Narrated As-Saburah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the age of seven years. When he becomes ten years old, then beat him for prayer. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #2, Hadith #0494)
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-‘As: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #2, Hadith #0495)
• Beating for doing the wrong kind of prayer or wrong timing:
Malik’s Muwatta: Yahya related to me from Malik from Abdullah ibn Dinar from Abdullah ibn Umar that Umar ibn al-Khattab used to say, “Do not intend to do your prayer at either sunrise or sunset, for the horns of Shaytan rise with the rising of the sun and set with its setting.” Umar used to beat people for that kind of prayer. (Book #15, Hadith #15.10.49)
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from as-Sa’ib ibn Yazid that he saw Umar ibn al-Khattab beating al-Munkadir for praying after asr. (Book #15, Hadith #15.10.50)
• Beating for asking “foolish questions”:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that al-Qasim ibn Muhammad said that he had heard a man asking ibn Abbas about booty. Ibn Abbas said, “Horses are part of the booty and personal effects are as well.” Then the man repeated his question, and Ibn Abbas repeated his answer. Then the man said, “What are the spoils which He, the Blessed, the Exalted, mentioned in His Book?” He kept on asking until Ibn Abbas was on the verge of being annoyed, then Ibn Abbas said, “Do you know who this man is like? Ibn Sabigh, who was beaten by Umar ibn al-Khattab because he was notorious for asking foolish questions.” Yahya said that Malik was asked whether someone who killed one of the enemy could keep the man’s effects without the permission of the Imam. He said, “No one can do that without the permission of the Imam. Only the Imam can make ijtihad. I have not heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ever said, ‘Whoever kills someone can have his effects,’ on any other day than the day of Hunayn.” 3 (Malik’s Muwatta, Book #21, Hadith #21.10.19)
• Beating a wife for objecting to her husband’s slave girl:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, “A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, ‘A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, ‘I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!’ Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.’ ” (Malik’s Muwatta, Book #30, Hadith #30.2.13)
• Beating for playing games:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that when he found one of his family playing dice he beat him and destroyed the dice. Yahya said that he heard Malik say, “There is no good in chess, and he disapproved of it.” Yahya said, “I heard him disapprove of playing it and other worthless games. He recited this ayat, ‘What is there after the truth except going the wrong way.’ ” (Sura l0 ayat 32). (Malik’s Muwatta, Book #52, Hadith #52.2.7)
• Beating a drunk, followed by lashes:
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Azhar: I can still picture myself looking at the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was among the camps of the Companions seeking the camp of Khalid ibn al-Walid,
when a man who had drunk wine was brought before him. He asked the people: beat him. Some struck him with sandals, some with sticks and some with fresh branches of the palm-tree (mitakhah). Ibn Wahb said: This (mitakhah) means green palm fronds. Then the apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) took some dust from the ground and threw it on his face. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #38, Hadith #4472)
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn al-Azhar: A man who had drunk wine was brought before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) when he was in Hunayn. He threw some dust on his face. He then ordered his Companions and they beat him with their sandals and whatever they had in their hands. He then said to them: Leave him, and they left him. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then died, and
AbuBakr gave forty lashes for drinking wine, and then Umar in the beginning of his Caliphate inflicted forty stripes and at the end of his Caliphate he inflicted eighty stripes.
Uthman (after him) inflicted both punishments, eighty and forty stripes, and finally Mu’awiyah established eighty stripes. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #38, Hadith #4473)
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Azhar: I saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) on the morning of the conquest of Mecca when I was a young boy. He was walking among the people, seeking the camp of Khalid ibn al-Walid. A man who had drunk wine was brought (before him) and he ordered them (to beat him). So they beat him with what they had in their hands. Some struck him with whips, some with sticks and some with sandals. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) threw some dust on his face. When a man who had drunk wine was brought before AbuBakr, he asked them (i.e. the people) about the number of beatings which they gave him. They numbered it forty. So AbuBakr gave him forty lashes. When Umar came to power, Khalid ibn al-Walid wrote to him: The people have become addicted to drinking wine and they look down upon the prescribed punishment and its penalty. He said: They are with you, ask them. The immigrants who embraced Islam in the beginning were with him. He asked them and they agreed on the fact that (a drunkard) should be given eighty lashes.
Ali said: When a man drinks wine, he tells lies. I, therefore, think that he should be prescribed punishment that is prescribed for telling lies.. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #38, Hadith #4474)
From Muhammad’s farewell address (consistent with the Quran, and final, not abrogated): “Beat” your wives:
Ishaq, 651. Excerpt from Muhammad’s speech as quoted. Context: The Farewell Pilgrimage.
“You have rights over your wives and they have rights over you. You have the right that they should not defile your bed and that they should not behave with open unseemliness. If they do, God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have the enjoyment of their persons by the words of God, so understand my words, O men, for I have told you.”
Finally, one should note that there is widespread acceptance among Muslims in the Islamic world today that Muslim men can beat their wives and children.
Islamic apologists in the West are left to twist and turn and defy reality in their deceptive defenses of 4:34.
Islamic mirror says
Take the case of Pakistan: Amnesty International reports that “according to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences, over 90% of married women report being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused when husbands were dissatisfied by their cooking or cleaning, or when the women had “˜failed” to bear a child or had given birth to a girl instead of a boy.” Women got “kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused” for far less than desertion and attempting to destroy the family.ere is beautiful beating blessings
Allah has forgotten to tell HOW (and where) to beat a wife
Children of a beaten Muslim women would like to say this
Go and take your *Idea* of what Q 4/34 means and shove it in a place where no sun will ever shine…
My father’s idea of his wife’s disobedience that needs beatings is this : …….some among many
Not having his food ready on time at 2;00
Broken chair and other things by a his children …
Have friend girlfriends, over with too many children
Have her mother visit for too long …
Not cook what he wants exactly …so he throws the table all over the walls with all food still on it ….then he beat her until she reduced to black and blue pile of nothings ….children have to clean all night so he wont turn on them.
I could keep on going to fill miles of pages ….
… beat them[ wives] …..should NOT …. I REPEAT ….NOT ….have been in Quran … if Quran is supposedly came from any God …
It is sick to feed Muslim husband expectations from a wife and encourage him and tell him how to beat his wives …….Quran’s Outrageous rule like 4/34 has done sick acts against women …..it should have been OUTLAWED … Long ago
IT IS INHUMAN AND DISGUSTING Islamic violence RULE
Florida Jim says
Raping small boys and girls, beheading enemies, lying to the media, using taqiyya to fool everyone are also “beautiful blessings” There is no way to cover the evils of Islam it is shown daily across the news and it only grows worse.
Jim says
I don’t know why the Australians were so outraged by this video. It was quite the dishonest whitewash, did not depict the reality of life for Muslim women. If all Muslim women got to live the idealized fantasy depicted in this video, what would be the problem? It is simply a very conservative, family oriented religious structure, husband loves, respects, consults with, the wife. Would that this were the true reality of Islam!
Jeanette says
It’s so much easier and faster to just say that Muslims are monsters.
That covers every hideous thing that they do, and leaves us more time to strategize and organize to do something about them.
Islamic mirror says
the taqiyya (falsehoods) and kitman (misdirection) . Why do Muslims have to deceive and misdirect or even disinform the dirty kafirs whenever they speak about Islam?
It is as if Muslims think that there is no internet and they can merrily deceive kafirs forever. The internet has changed that and now Muslim taqiyya artists should realize they just lose credibility if they disinform. It’s time for them to DROP the TAQIYYA and KITMAN and come clean about Islam.
Mo says
“Islamic group produces video calling wife-beating “a beautiful blessing”
Can you imagine if some so-called “Christian” group posted such a thing? It would be front page news all over the world! Even older people like my parents who know nothing of the internet would have heard all about it. We’d NEVER hear the end of it!
This?
*crickets*