“Muslims had never destroyed any kind of heritage after their historic victories in foreign countries, in contrary to what ISIS and other extremists are doing now.”
That is flatly false. There are records of literally thousands of Hindu temples that Muslim invaders destroyed in India. And remember that the Middle East and North Africa were Christian areas before the Arab conquest. Those people had churches. They aren’t there now.
“In Egypt, ‘3000 extremist fatwas’ incite destruction of churches,” by Ashraf Abd al-Hameed, Al Arabiya.net, April 1, 2017:
Egypt’s official religious institution tasked with drafting edicts has found 3,000 fatwas (religious edicts) issued by extremists that incite the destruction of churches in the country, Egypt’s Grand Mufti, Dr. Shawki Allam, said on Friday.
Dr. Allam rejected the existence of these fatwas, saying: “human diversity is inevitable and divine … the oppression of religions is rejected by law because human relations are a divine formula to achieve coexistence and renounce discord.”
The extremist fatwas rejected coexistence between Muslims and Christians in Egypt.
Towards the end of 2016, 25 people were killed and 31 wounded in an explosion that targeted the Cathedral of Saint Mark in the Abbasia district in Cairo.
The Mufti said that “all attempts aiming to divide between the Muslims and Christians of Egypt have failed.”
He added: “Muslims had never destroyed any kind of heritage after their historic victories in foreign countries, in contrary to what ISIS and other extremists are doing now.”…
cyrus basile says
I am a Christian who does not believe in the Catholic Church. The Pope also this time does not condemn the crime against the Egyptian Copts and defend the migrants and terrorists Muslims who are in Europe, enough with the Catholic Church friend of terrorists, from today are a devotee of Jesus Christ without having a place of worship to pray. true descendants of the ancient Egyptians and the early Christians massacred and the pope not defends them? And the UN? Also this component is now in the hands of the Muslims and the left. W Orban, W the west white and Christian,without muslims devils
Richard says
I am a Traditional Catholic who spent two wonderful years worshipping in a Maronite (Eastern Rite) Catholic Church. Starting with Vatican II, the Church has modernized beyond anyone’s imagination. Much of what you are seeing from the present Pope are not the traditional beliefs of the Church. Quite to the contrary. The Crusades were launched not primarily to regain the Holy Land, which had been conquered by Muslims some time earlier. It was when Muslims began murdering, raping and torturing Christians in the Holy Land that the Crusades were launched to rescue the Christians there. Sadly, you will not see anything like that today. Napoleon once bragged to Pope Celestine, who was his prisoner: “I am going to destroy the Catholic Church!”, to which the Pope scoffed: “If we haven’t been able to do it in eighteen hundred years, how can you?”
Manuel 2 Paleologus says
Very true ! We face today a lot of non sense and false date to mislead naive people.
History is the best proof that islam is evil and had destroyed everything Christian in its way to dominate.
All this talk of so called islam imams is just idiocy and lies. In the muslim world to lie to the non muslim world is sanctioned by their Quran as acceptable.
Myrtle says
I always heard “Every frog will praise it’s own pond”. Catholics should examine all points of the beliefs of their church and sincerely “COMPARE THEM TO GOD’S WORD!” Don’t follow blindly, or try to be saved by your parents faith, that won’t work, you will be credited, ONLY, by your own beliefs and your own works!!!Stop for a moment and think, “Am I going the right way?”
Shane says
Islam is a religion of jihad and muslims have been waging war against the infidels since Mo was around 1400 years ago. The Crusades against Islam were justified as Robert Spencer has written and said.
Robert Spencer – The Crusades, Fact and Fiction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMGRGtiO9Ro
How the Crusades Saved Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjUFBYEzqQ Robert Spencer – The Crusades; Fact and Fiction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMGRGtiO9Ro
Robert Spencer – The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam & The Crusades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC6IzAU5AG8
A Harris USA says
Richard, I left the Roman church when the current so called pope took office. Then immediately began loving on the Muslims who were killing his OWN.. This so called POPE is a fraud, and a liar.. The Coptic Christians are suffering in many ways, from the hatred of the Muslim hordes. Death, murder, and persecution goes on there in Egypt on a daily basis. Iraqi Christians of whom I know many, say they felt totally abandoned by the leaders in Rome.. Just a reminder, Catholic brother, when the Muslims come after YOUR church, where ever it is, and they will…….. Watch and see if that fraud of a leader, comes to YOUR aide… You will be waiting a very long time.. My hope is that the terrorist hordes attack the Vatican FIRST, oh, well they did that before, Remember Pope John Paul, shot by a Turkish Muslim……..?
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
Well, we Orthodox haven’t bought what Rome was selling for over a thousand years. I don’t have anything else to say on the matter.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid that there is quite a bit of dhimmitude among Orthodox Christian denominations–and among Protestant denominations, as well. Dhimmitude, denial, and appeasement are not purely Catholic phenomena.
rara says
The West surely doesn’t have the right to blame them. Orthodox Christians were under much bigger pressure from Islamic forces than those from the west. And the last Crusade from the West was sadly not against Muslims but against the center of the Orthodox Christian Empire. Constantinople never recovered from that and then the Muslims conquered it.
Even today, many more Orthodox Christians are oppressed, and their churches destroyed by the Muslims than any other group. The West is mostly silent.
DFD says
Tammerlane (one of the most murderous men in history) in India, the Indians had of the largest, if not the largest libraries in the world. He was asked what to do. He said: “Anything in there what is not written in the quran is worthless and to be burned. Everything that is also found in the quran is worthless because we already have it. So burn it.”
And that was done. Yeah, ‘golden age’…
Voytek Gagalka says
It’s worth to remember statistics of so called “golden age”: they burned (destroyed) 90% of books while preserving just 10% of them. Yea, “golden age” indeed.
gravenimage says
Yes–e
very “Golden Age” of Islam has been nothing but the death throes of the societies Islam has just conquered, before all the Infidels have been driven out, forcibly converted, or murdered outright.
Want to see another Islamic “Golden Age”? Let them conquer the free West–a society so rich it would probably take a century or two before all of its innovation was destroyed.
God, I hate Islam.
gravenimage says
Should be “every”.
TheOldOligarch says
Great point about there being another Islamic ‘Golden Age’ as it cannibalizes the fresh corpse of western civilization should we lose. I’ve always pointed out to people that the various ‘Great Civilizations’ of Islam always seem to be built atop the ruins of just conquered societies. No Muslim civilization has ever produced a flowering of civilization from within itself.
Michael says
TheOldOligarch, excellent post, and a great reminder of what is reiterated here again and again: “No Muslim civilization has ever produced a flowering of civilization from within itself.”
It is not possible, under Islam, to have a flowering of any civilization, because the very word itself, ‘flowering,’ implies growth. And growth, life of any consequence, is not possible in a culture, under an ideology, that prohibits intellectual inquiry. And Islam prohibits the very thing — freedom of thought, freedom of speech — which is the essence of life itself.
When motions, as in Canada, are passed, and laws put into place in other countries, prohibiting ‘criticism’ — i.e., even mention of, or discussion of — Islam — or anything at all — it means that it cannot withstand inquiry and scrutiny. And that prohibition of freedom of speech, is the precursor to prohibition of freedom of thought.
Speech is thought expressed. When speech is stifled and prohibited and punished, our thoughts are, as well. And a vital life force within us, begins to die.
Islam is dead. Its followers are intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally, dead.
We must fight for our freedoms at every step — and any laws or motions that proscribe certain speech, those we must fight against vigorously, and ignore if need be, and continue to speak what we will, whatever the consequences.
Jeanette says
I think it would be wise to bury most of the world’s treasures.
How long will it be before the Muslim monsters bomb Gobekli Tepe, for instance?
gravenimage says
Very true, Michael and TheOldOligarch.
Richard says
So, Is Grand Mufti Dr. Shawki Allam a true pluralistic reformer of Islam with a poor grounding in history, or is he indulging in taqiyya for the benefit of the Kuffar who are listening in? I’m sure the Left is fawning on his every word. For me, there isn’t a grain of salt big enough.
gravenimage says
Damn good question, Richard. Here’s more on Allam:
“Whitewashing Islam: Egypt’s Grand Mufti and Muhammad’s Transformation in Medina”
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/07/13/whitewashing-islam-egypts-grand-mufti-and-muhammads-hijra-to-medina/
You aren’t wrong about the Taqiyya. I wonder what he has to say in Arabic? I doubt it sounds as “moderate”.
A couple of years ago, he also claimed that violent Jihad is not really Islamic:
“Grand Mufti of Egypt: No place for terror in Islam”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/grand-mufti-of-egypt-no-place-for-terror-in-islam
overman says
Probably the worst example of what they destroyed:
Nalanda – lndia – 1193
“Nalanda University complex (the most renowned repository of Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time) was sacked by Turkic Muslim invaders; this event is seen as a milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India”
Also bad:
“After the Fall of Constantinople, hundreds upon thousands of manuscripts were removed, sold, or destroyed from Constantinople’s libraries, by Ottoman Turks in 1453”
mortimer says
80 million Hindus died at the hands of Muslim invaders in the greatest religious genocide in history. Islam is inherently bigoted.
Jeanette says
Islam is inherently EVIL.
gravenimage says
Yes–Islam’s history of bloodshed and destruction is utterly horrifying.
Michael says
Overman, thank you for the link. I was unaware of Nalanda.
Coral Searle says
When muslims return from where they came (invaded), and end their occupation of Egypt, I will believe their claim that there are no fatwa’s against the indigenous Coptic Christian race.
Sam says
Most Muslims in Egypt are descendants of Coptic Christians but converted to Islam out of pressure and persecution in the last 14 centuries.
Don Foss says
True. Like every Islamic country that was at first conquered by jihadis, dhimmis could see life made so much easier for Muslims.
mortimer says
‘3000 extremist fatwas’ commanding the destruction of Christian buildings? IS THAT ALL for 1400 years?
In reality, there must have been TENS OF THOUSANDS of such fatwas commanding the persecution of Christians and many thousands of ‘instructions’ by the mullahs given unofficially to persecute Jews, Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Yezidis, Sikhs, Buddhists and those of other faiths or none, including atheists and agnostics.
What is it that makes the fatwas ‘extreme’? If they are based on the teachings of Mohammed, they cannot be ‘extreme’.
gravenimage says
My guess it that this is Fatwas in the past few years, Mortimer.
Angemon says
That’s my guess as well.
utis says
Where is the thunderbolt of Zeus to strike down liars when you need to? Good thing the Mufti’s religion lets him lie like a sailor home from a French port when it’s convenient for Islam.
gravenimage says
Egypt: “3,000 extremist fatwas” incite Muslims to destroy churches
“Muslims had never destroyed any kind of heritage after their historic victories in foreign countries, in contrary to what ISIS and other extremists are doing now.”
……………….
Absolutely untrue. Christians in Egypt and other parts of the Middle East and North Africa have gone from being the majority in most countries to a tiny oppressed minority.
And Christians there were under terrible threat of violence there for years before ISIS reared its ugly head.
Moreover, despite Islamic State incursions into the Sinai, Egypt is *not* under ISIS–yet Christians there are still at risk of violence. That is because this is mainstream Islam.
abad says
Islam destroys the intellectual works of other cultures precisely because it knows it cannot offer anything on a par with them.
Islam is anti-intellectual, anti-rational, anti-science, anti-civilization.
But then we are talking about a group of people who use their bare left hands to wipe themselves after they eliminate body waste….
Jeanette says
Islam is EVIL, which makes it anti-good.
Richard says
Dr. Allam rejected the existence of these fatwas, saying: “human diversity is inevitable and divine … the oppression of religions is rejected by law because human relations are a divine formula to achieve coexistence and renounce discord.”
Not reported by Al Arabiya.net was Dr. Allam skipping down the corridor afterward giggling, “April Fool!”
Michael says
lol … thank you, Richard … precisely! In fact, every single day is ‘fooled you again’ day for Muslims! Believe not a word they say … because they been told that lying to all you fools is smart! and they is right because we keeps right on believing ’em ’til they put the sword to our necks! and we STILL think they is kidding! you got to be! you told us we could CO-EXIST, don’t you know?? why we even saw it in an article where you actually SAID those words, don’t you know?
gotta love that Koran … the whole setup is quite brilliant in its purely satanic, evil way …
sidney penny says
“He added: “Muslims had never destroyed any kind of heritage after their historic victories in foreign countries, in contrary to what ISIS and other extremists are doing now.”…”
What utter rubbish!
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/
Read and weep.
Uneducated Muslims will say anything to get away with violence and murder.
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/\
“The movement for the restoration of the Ramajanmabhumi Temple at Ayodhya has brought to the fore a suppressed chapter of India’s history, namely, the large-scale destruction of Hindu temples by the Islamised invaders. This chapter is by no means closed.
The Appendix to this book provides details of many temples destroyed by Muslims all over Bangladesh as recently as October-November 1989. Currently, temples, or whatever had remained of them, are meeting a similar fate in the Kashmir valley.
This chapter, however, though significant, was only a part of the Muslim behaviour-pattern as recorded by Muslim historians (Note Muslim historians) of medieval India. The other parts were:
1) mass slaughter of people not only during war but also after the armies of Islam had emerged victorious;
2) capture of large numbers of non-combatant men, women and children as booty and their sale as slaves all over the Islamic world;
3) forcible conversion to Islam of people who were in no position to resist;
4) reduction to the status of zimmis or non-citizens of all those who could not be converted and imposition of inhuman disabilities on them;
5) emasculation of the zimmis by preventing them from possessing arms;
6) impoverishment of the zimmis through heavy discriminatory taxes and misappropriation of a major part of what the peasants produced;
7) ruination of the native and national culture of the zimmis by suppressing and holding in contempt all its institutions and expressions.
Nor is this behaviour pattern a thing of the past. It persisted even after the Muslim rule was over. The Muslim revivalist movements in the nineteenth century, particularly in Bengal, tried to repeat, as far as they could, the performance of the medieval Muslim swordsmen and sultans.
More recently, after the Islamic state of Pakistan was carved out, Hindus have been forced to leave their ancestral homes, en masse from its western wing and in a continuous stream of refugees from its eastern wing, now an independent Islamic state of Bangladesh that came into being with the help of India. Hindu temples and other cultural institutions have more or less disappeared from Pakistan, while they continue to be under constant attack in Bangladesh.
How to understand this behaviour pattern so persistently followed over a thousand years under very different conditions and so consistent in its expression? What is its deeper ideological source?”
NOW read this part
“It is rooted in Islam’s religious teachings, its theology and its religious laws; it derives from its peculiar conception of momins and kafirs, from its doctrines of Jihad, Darul-Islam and Darul-harb, and from what it regards as the duty of a Muslim state.
Hindu India is called upon to make a deeper study of Islam than it has hitherto done. It can neglect this task at its own peril.”
Now the lat paragraph applies to the whole world
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
“Extremist fatwas” aka mainstream Islam found in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
mortimer says
Dr. Shawki Allam knows he is lying, but he is probably under orders from the government to do so. Many such lies are intended for internal consumption in the country from which the statement originate.
Dr. Shawki Allam is speaking for the government to the people of Egypt and telling them that the Muslim Brotherhood do not represent Islam. That is hardly true, but they are trying to trick Muslims who are Safafite fanatics.
It won’t work, because the Salafites have studied the hadiths and commentaries and understand the JIHAD DOCTRINE. Most average Muslims have a slight smattering of Islam, but they don’t know the 164 jihad passages in the Koran or the jihad commands in Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
Robert says
Islamists have always destroyed other’s cultural sites and committed genocide over the last 1400+ years. What happened under Turkish Ottoman sultans in Georgia, Greece, etc etc? Millions were literally killed as they were Christian infidels..
Bhartiya says
400million Hindus killed yes 400 million and may be more!
The Muslims in India are all converted Muslims from Hindus to escape the astrocities of the Muslim invaders one example is jiziya.
Forced conversion, still happening in Pakistan and Bangladesh
Where are Hindus of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh?
Temples in Kashmir valley, Pakistan and Bangladesh are still being destroyed
Petro dollar has control over the world and spread of Wahhabism
Media, universities heavily funded, no free speech in the universities every where in the world.
Lies, lies , lies and lies
Warren Raymond says
Two words: Northern Cyprus.
That’s only 30 years ago. Look what the Turks did to the churches there.. And then take a look at Kosovo & Bosnia, where the Klintoons & bin Laden drove the Christian Serbs out…..a mosque on every corner, and the churches destroyed.
John says
Taqquia alert. This imam is lying through his teeth.
He knows full well that Islam has destroyed Churches, libraries, temples, etc. Starting with the destruction of the idols in the kabaa by Muhammad, to the latest church burnings in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc.
Karen says
Exactly.
Florida Jim says
Islam is truly the blind leading the blind ignorant Imam’s preaching hatred in every sermon to a group of ignorant radicals who thinks this will end well? Many Imam’s at many Mosques have no training simply memorizing the Koran with little understanding and a hatred that is palpable.
Jeanette says
I simply don’t believe that a person with the smallest shred of decency doesn’t know that torturing, enslaving, and slicing body parts off are good, worthy, moral and decent things to do.
Muslims are cancers in the cultures that they infect, and the only cure is to cut them out. We won’t convince them to “play nicely.”
Michael says
Certainly one of the biggest deceptions is the ‘inter faith dialogue’ between Christians, Muslims, Jews, and whomever else is so tolerant and loving as to engage in these — and aside from Muslims, these are well-intentioned people. But they are blind to the deception, and want to believe that ‘discussion can solve everything.’ If we can just talk and come to understand each other.
These inter-faith programs are part and parcel of the Muslim program to infiltrate and take over. Deceive those who will be deceived. Education, religion, government … programs throughout in each of the major institutions.
I have a sister, a professor at a Midwest university, who has studied all religions quite extensively, and has taught classes for a long time on the topics. She is very liberal. I have not yet had a talk with her about her views of Islam. I am quite confident that she will describe it as a religion of peace, and will be horrified at what I share and how I see Islam — a murderous ideology, nothing less. We have long differed on politics. This will just add to how ‘different’ I am …
I will wait for a practicing Muslim, to denounce the Koran as a manual for murder and violence and world domination. Denounce it as brutal to women, to children, to all non-believers. Brutal to their own people — any ideology that prohibits free speech, free thought, which proscribes very precisely every aspect of someone’s life – that is brutal to every person who is a follower of it.
gravenimage says
Jim, most Imams know Islam *all too well*–that is the problem.
Karen says
The official policy of Sharia is to prevent any real maintenance of the conquered people’s churches, temples, etc., and to simply force them into wrack and ruin over time. (A little application of PR?) So it may be that technically, in many cases the original institutions where left in tact, only to crumble under the brute force of Sharia over time. There are examples of this even in Turkey.
gravenimage says
Quite true, Karen.
JayFromIndia says
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnath_temple
Somnath temple was raised numerous times by Muslim invaders and not only they plundered but killed thousands of Hindus.
The mufti is lying and so also the Islam sympathisers. Very recently bamian buddha were destroyed by taliban in Afghanistan and then rebuilt by Indian archeologists.
Thousands of temples were destroyed by Muslims and it continues till date in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
JayFromIndia says
* raided
gravenimage says
Jay, you are right about the Taliban destroying the Bamiyan Buddhas, but it has not been safe enough to rebuild them.
Karen says
“Muslims had never destroyed any kind of heritage after their historic victories in foreign countries, in contrary to what ISIS and other extremists are doing now.”
“Historic victories”? LOL, I almost missed that one musing over all the other, cough, fibs. I think he meant to say “Islamic conquests”.
Winghunter says
Iraqi priest: “There’s no such thing as moderate Islam…ISIS represents Islam one hundred percent” ; “Wake up! The cancer is at your door. They will destroy you. We, the Christians of the Middle East are the only group that has seen the face of evil: Islam”…. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/iraqi-priest-theres-no-such-thing-as-moderate-islam-isis-represents-islam-one-hundred-percent
Jeanette says
Many have wondered what happened to Mars, which was once probably similar to Earth.
Maybe Muslims lived there.
Michael says
lol … Jeanette, I find that high intelligence lends itself to a wonderful and quite witty sense of humor … you have both! thank you for that laugh!