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EU tells Hungary and Poland: Accept mass migration or leave

Apr 5, 2017 10:25 am By Christine Douglass-Williams

France and Germany, along with a host of up to 21 other countries, are set to demand Hungary and Poland either accept migrants under the quota system or leave the European Union.

The European Union is set to be a fragmented jumble, plagued by crime and broken economies, and it is all due to the reckless leadership of corrupt politicians who flung open the doors of their borders to unvetted Muslim refugees, at the expense of their own citizens. Based on the stance of the leaders of Hungary and Poland, those countries appear to be ready to thumb their noses at the EU and leave it.

Hungary has been detaining migrants and sending them back. Hungarian leader Viktor Orban angrily lashed out at Angela Merkel, warning her that the Muslim migrant crime problem in Germany would spill over into neighbouring countries, and stating that Hungary would not pay for Merkel’s error. Hungary also recently opened a military base at its border to stop migrants; Orban has declared 2017 “a year of rebellion” to “make Hungary great again,” and has rightly stated that “Europe is not free” because “freedom begins with speaking the truth.”

And in Poland:

Poland’s conservative Law and Justice Party (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość – PiS) swept to victory in 2015, partly due to voter anger over the previous government agreeing to take migrants under the quota system.

Back in January, riots erupted in Poland when Muslim migrants stabbed a local youngster to death after rumors that he had thrown a firecracker inside a Kebab diner.

Just hours after the initial riots took place at the crime scene, clashes between police and rioters in the neighbouring Polish town, Lublin, occurred as vandals sprayed anti-Muslim graffiti on a kebab shop that read: “F*** Islam and f*** ISIS.”

“European Union Tells Hungary and Poland To Accept Mass Migration Or Leave”, by Virginia Hale, Breitbart, April 4, 2017:

France and Germany, along with a host of up to 21 other countries, are set to demand Hungary and Poland either accept migrants under the quota system or leave the European Union (EU).

The two nations have ignored Brussels’ insistence that they take migrants presently residing in great numbers in Italy and Greece. Public opinion in Hungary and Poland is also strongly against being forced to accept thousands of migrants from non-European cultures.

Poland’s conservative Law and Justice Party (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość – PiS) swept to victory in 2015, partly due to voter anger over the previous government agreeing to take migrants under the quota system.

In Hungary, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has been a vocal opponent of the scheme from its conception, asserting that forcing member countries to take a compulsory quota of migrants is unlawful and will “spread terrorism around Europe”.

Later this year, the two countries will be given an ultimatum and have to decide whether they are willing to maintain an anti-mass migration stances if it puts their membership of the EU at threat, a senior diplomatic source from one of the bloc’s six founding member states told The Times.

The source said: “They will have to make a choice: are they in the European system or not? You cannot blackmail the EU, unity has a price.”

The European Court of Justice (ECJ) is expected to hold a hearing on the legality of migrant quotas in the coming weeks, with a judgement — widely expected to be in favour of the scheme — likely by the end of the year.

“We are confident that the ECJ will confirm validation,” the source said. “Then they must abide by the decision. If they don’t then they will face consequences, both financial and political. No more opt-outs. There is no more ‘one foot in and one foot out’. We are going to be very tough on this.”

Hungary challenged the court, insisting that it is culturally and constitutionally unreasonable to impose asylum seekers on unwilling member states.

In December, referring to policies of importing large numbers of people from the third world, Orbán stated that Hungary and other countries in Central Europe “have had the opportunity to learn from Western Europe’s mistakes”.

“Hungary is a stable island in the turbulent western world because the people were consulted on their opinions here, and we defended the country against illegal immigration.”

In 2015, when European Commission Vice-President Frans Timmermans demanded Eastern and Central EU nations undergo similar demographic transitions as in Western Europe, Hungary was singled out for special mention.

“Any society, anywhere in the world, will be diverse in the future — that’s the future of the world,” Timmermans said. “So [Central European countries] will have to get used to that. They need political leaders who have the courage to explain that to their population instead of playing into the fears as I’ve seen Mr Orbán doing in the last couple of months.”

Breitbart London reported that the European Union is to open asylum processing centres in west Africa and countries on the southern shore of the Mediterranean because the continent “needs six million migrants…..

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  1. Daniel Triplett says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:34 am

    What a joke of a threat.

    The best thing Hungary and Poland could do for themselves is leave the EU, as the UK is learning.

    • Guest says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:09 am

      The end of the EU is near.

      • Mak says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 12:44 pm

        So: cake and champagne?

        • johan elzinga says

          Apr 5, 2017 at 6:59 pm

          I feel sorry to live in the country that brought you Timmerfrans. We were told that Europe is democratic. How is it democratic when the parliaments of member countries have no say in what will happen in their own country? Since when have other countries a final vote that can superimpose their will onto Hungary and Poland? How long ago has it been since the USSR did the same, and how is this different?

      • Adrian Johnson says

        Apr 6, 2017 at 9:32 am

        Though it is already too late for Europe as we knew it. I foresee civil wars in a generation or two when the Muslim Population becomes the majority, and democratic processes are used to impose Sharia law on the Christian and secular minorities

    • JIMJFOX says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      “You cannot blackmail the EU”

      BUT the EU can and will blackmail you!

      • Ava says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 3:57 pm

        Criminals! All planned by Soros. We don’t need to open up and let savages in, that’s like committing suicide! Russia does not take in refugees! Even the Saudi’s and other mid east countries don’t want these invaders coming in and causing all kind of discord! So why should the Western nations? Hungary and Poland are correct to refuse these savages, they are uncivilized! Germany will soon be voting Merkel out, the German people have had it with the invaders, the rapes, assaults, theft,and murderers. Pure lunacy!
        Thank God we voted for Trump! He may not be perfect, but he’s the perfect man to stand up to the lying press, and the insane Dem’s who are all on the Soros payroll.

    • Maggat says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 1:54 am

      Leave, right into the arms of Russia.

    • Dominic says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 3:51 am

      Good. They should leave. End The EU SCAM.

    • A Harris USA says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 12:38 pm

      Poland and Hungry, good for you….. GET the hell out!!! EU is just a puppet for Turkey’s plan for an expanded Ottoman Empire… I love history, and I love Vlad the Impalier !!! Follow his lead, and purge the nation of ALL Muslim pigs

    • pandainc says

      Apr 7, 2017 at 12:32 am

      God bless the Hungars and Poles. Isn’t it interesting that the countries that oppose this stuff are those that were under Soviet domination for decades?

  2. barry campbell says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:35 am

    Perhaps the EU should mind their own business ?

    • eduardo odraude says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 2:02 pm

      They are minding their own business — Hungary and Poland are in the EU. The problem is how they are minding it: toward bankruptcy.

      It is depressing how many people could not care less about living in a society with freedom of the press and individual rights. Take Merkel, for example. Or if she does care about those things, she doesn’t care enough to investigate whether what she is doing might be destroying them.

    • Peggy says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      They were set up to mind everyone else’s business.
      I have always been against EU which to some made me look like I hate the west.
      It’s precisely that I love the west that I hate EU and want to save the west from such cults.

      If only they would make good in their threat and throw Poland and Hungary out. Sadly, I don’t think they can afford to do that.

      • Lioness says

        Apr 6, 2017 at 6:17 am

        Sovereign nations should make thier own political decisions, and not be forced by unelected beaurocrats to make decisions that oppose the will of the people. The EU was originally meant for free trade between nations, not the political dictatorship which it has become.

        • Noel says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 1:04 pm

          Sorry, Lioness, but you are wrong. The EU was intended from the very beginning to be a political bloc. They knew that people would say No to it, so it was introduced in stages, slowly reaching it’s objective. The first stage was free trade. It was sold to the British as the EEC – European Economic Community – and they were led to believe that was all it would be. Once we were happy with that, other things followed which seemed alright until you stood back and saw the Big Picture.
          In the 1960s I was in the Anti-Common Market League. We knew about the Treaty of Rome and the ultimate goal. We tried to warn people, but our lying government had a louder voice and made us out to be crackpots.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 6:59 pm

          Just like Islam was introduced to us in bits and pieces so was EU to the Europeans.
          It’s always been globalists’ plan to enslave the world.

          Just think, if no elections are held to elect EU council how can that be democratic in any way?

  3. barry campbell says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:38 am

    Best news of the last 2 years was the announcement Great Britain was pulling out of any trade relationship with EU ….. long over-due and much supported.
    The countries who “used” to support the the EU have now seen the folly of their ways.

  4. mike9a says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:42 am

    EUEXIT [yo͞o,yə] [ˈeɡzət]

  5. Kiel says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:42 am

    Fine! An ultimatum from the inner circles of Globalist Liberal Utopian Elitists in Brussels, Berlin, and Paris is what is needed to tip the globalists’ band-wagon. More of the tyrannical demands from that band of thugs will make the day.

  6. tom thumb says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:44 am

    The European Union has become the USSR with the added characteristic of being suicidaly politically correct.

    • Peggy says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 7:02 pm

      USSR was far better than EU. At least they weren’t suicidal. Yes, dictatorship was in full swing but the country wasn’t going backwards. People were getting educated, scientific progress was made and women were equal to men. None of that is going to stay true if EU gets it’s way and lets Islam take over.

  7. Bengaria says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:44 am

    EU HAS BECOME THE “BULLY -BOYS” of the UN,by Enforcing Quotas of MUSLIM MIGRANTS on the Member Nations.
    HUNGARY & POLAND have stepped forward to attempt to save their own Nations, from the horrors of German Citizens at the mercy of MIGRANTS.
    I wish President Trump
    Would approach both leaders, with Encouragement & ACTUAL ASSISTANCE, to escape from the BULLYING EU.

  8. concerned canadian says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:45 am

    when will the migrations stop?

    EVER?

    • Rob says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 8:10 pm

      NO.

  9. Santa Voorhees says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:47 am

    “Any society, anywhere in the world, will be diverse in the future — that’s the future of the world,”

    Yeah, right. Go tell that in Saudi Arania and you will be jailed and flogged hundreds kf times… if you’re lucky.

    • Santa Voorhees says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 10:50 am

      *Saudi Arabia

      • Blurb1000 says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 11:44 am

        Saudi Irania 🙂

        • JIMJFOX says

          Apr 5, 2017 at 12:13 pm

          Saudi Barbaria…

    • RichardL says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:52 am

      I was on the Maldives in the early eighties: no a single veil on Hulule. Now I landed there for a technical stop and all the guys I saw had beards and shaved upper lips.

      I will never ever go back.

    • Dan says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      Yeah, I sailed through there in ’99.

      Was crossing the Indian Ocean from Darwin to Australia, and while at the Chagoes the Captain asked if any of us would rather sail to India instead.

      It was straight up the Maldives, supposed to be in the top 5 dive sites of the world, (And it was) but it was full of the lyingest, cheatingest, two facest merchants and government officials you ever laid eyes on.

      I mean, I know that island nations like that KNOW they have the markets cornered on pretty much 100% of everything but…

      And I understand there’s a tourist price on things too but…

      Whenever a merchant or water taxi guy, or anybody didn’t like that we rejected their wares figuring their price was too high, they’d send a kid ahead to point us out to similar businesses down the line.

      Oh yeah.

      And the bottom of the Maldives is the first time we had to run off pirates.

      The Maldives can kiss my poochakas.

    • Peggy says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 7:12 pm

      So why do so many westerners go there to be given food and drink with spit in it or far worse?
      I would never trust anything I was given there unless it’s fresh fruit or vegetables and then they would have to be scrubbed hard too.

  10. The Vilest of All Creatures says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:48 am

    Yes, Poland and Hungary YOU too can be subject to the wonderful benefits of Islam! Like Charlie Hedbo, the Paris attacks, the London attack, Brussels attack, Nice truck jihad, Berlin truck jihad, London car jihad, Madrid attack. Why wouldn’t you want all of this, you Islamophobic bigots?

  11. Guest says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:05 am

    It comes to this at last. The EU is trying to force their hand, that is their biggest mistake. Do they think they can afford to lose anymore countries after Britain. If Hungary and Poland are smart they will leave.

  12. Wellington says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:07 am

    Leave and save your nations, Hungary and Poland.

    • Westman says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:28 am

      Agreed Wellington. The doublespeak is deafening:

      “They will have to make a choice: are they in the European system or not? You cannot blackmail the EU, unity has a price.”

      It is Hungary and Poland that are being blackmailed by the EU, a Neo-Monarchy. It’s amazing how much of Europe’s leftover aristocracy is still manipulating the citizens.

      • Wellington says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 11:45 am

        Hungary, Poland and several other Eastern European nations I hope look to an EU-free Britain as a major trading partner with all kinds of deals cut to benefit everyone. There is also the US that nations like Hungary and Poland should direct even more attention to trade wise, especially with an American President who, thankfully, is himself anti-EU. Lots of opportunities here I believe, Westman.

      • RonaldB says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 3:06 pm

        The real hold that the EU has over the nations of Europe is the Germany-sponsored loans that encouraged Greece, Italy and other countries to live beyond their means and thus become dependent on EU diktats. Orban, in a speech, emphasized that he made sure Hungary put itself on a sound financial footing, which is exactly what a real national patriot would do. I don’t know what the financial status of the Polish government is, but if they are dependent on foreign loans, their first order of business should be to pay them off and get on a sound fiscal footing.

        The EU has been trying to establish an EU military force, which would obviously eventually be used to threaten countries like Poland and Hungary. It would be easy to manufacture a false flag terror operation, and use the disorder as a pretext for intervention. The use of NATO troops for enforcement seems to have vanished with the election of Trump. Bill Clinton used NATO to attack Serbian nationals, and there is no reason to think Hillary would have had any hesitation to approve the use of NATO to enforce EU hegemony.

        Switzerland is a weird case. They are not a debtor nation, but put themselves under EU rules, although not EU members. I guess the Swiss bankers are greedy enough that they think more of global financial transactions than of real Swiss sovereignty. Personally, I never liked Swiss much, and if they allow their government to obey EU migration policy, it wouldn’t seem like much of a loss to me.

        • Adrian Johnson says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 9:42 am

          I had a family member who worked for the Swiss Consulate General in a large city in the USA which shall remain unnamed. Many years ago I remember going as a guest to a reception and listening to the Consul General quietly ranting to his friends how stupid his “backward” countrymen were — he said he and all “enlightened” leaders in the cantons wanted to join the EU, –but the common people “wanted to hang onto outdated traditions of sovereignty and neutrality” and could not be budged to vote in referendum to join the EU. So the current system you see is the compromise.

  13. Irene Brekelmans says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:07 am

    I can not believe this, what a disgrace, but the EU is falling apart, and pretty soon the paper UN too.
    Feeling scared to lose your pluche jobs?. And how are you going to pay for all this? Not from our taxes.
    One family at least 4 kids, that is 24.000.000 milion kids added to all illegals, well done, more murders and rapes. Look at the town Dearborn in Michigan, there is not even anything written in English, and that is America. Do we have to learn the kor’an too and Arabic so we can make ourselves understandable. Pls Poland en Hungary, leave this stupid EU and go for yourselves, everybody is overflowing with socalled refugees. We need them what for? You can’t and will not, it seems now pay for your own poor people in Holland and now, then you must have been lying about that you don’t have money. It is unbelievable.
    Robert, this is the end of Europe, I am dumbfounded, I wish everybody place under the sune and hope for everybody a good life, but not in hate and murder and rape and a religion of peace and stoning etc. I am sick of it even to name it. Did anybody see the chechen massacre video then you can see the peacefull religion. I will stop, I am too angry at this moment

  14. Cretius says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:15 am

    I back the concept that ANY EU nation has the moral right and duty to define who is an eligible immigrant. The so-called refugees are little more than economic migrants. Most are single men of military age. Tell Brussels to go to Hell! The UK has seen the light.

    Perhaps a new economic union should be formed of like minded states.

  15. TH says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:33 am

    The UE is showing its dictatorial teeth. All is that is needed for it to fall apart is for Le Pen to win in France. It is not impossible, especially if here is a low turnout in the runup election in May.

  16. Blurb1000 says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:35 am

    “Accept mass migration or leave”….

    That is a offer that is to good to turn of.

  17. common sense says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:39 am

    “make Hungary great again,” and [PM Orban] has rightly stated that “Europe is not free” because “freedom begins with speaking the truth.” Good man, if not great.

    Cool, good bye EU, Hungary is a nice place keep it that way. The EU stating they are going get tough on Poland and Hungary is just laughable.

  18. no_one says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Poland and Hungary should gladly leave the EU and have their countries for their people. Orban is right. There is no freedom in EU anymore. EU is going to turn into a third world place with so many savages. They are not people in need. People in need are grateful. These immigrants are savages.

  19. Allan Mandrowski says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    They should leave.

  20. Troybeam says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    Seeing what is happening in Europe the EU will become a lot smaller, till it’s no longer viable.

  21. JIMJFOX says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    the EU has shot itself in both feet & is about to fire two more shots into the back of its own head.
    Pull the trigger, Hungary & Poland!

  22. Phil Copson says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    Quote: ” “They will have to make a choice: are they in the European system or not? You cannot blackmail the EU, unity has a price.” un-named EU source.
    ——————————————————————————————————————————

    Fantastic ! What a great bit of tacquiya / kitman / “projection” or what-have-you……

    Let’s get this straight, shall we ? The EU are black-mailing Hungary and Poland into accepting societal destruction by threatening to eject them from the EU if they don’t accept mass Third World migration – (which I doubt you’ll find written into the conditions of membership…) – but the EU claim that it is Hungary and Poland that are blackmailing THEM !!!!!!

  23. Benedict says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    “Viktor Orban angrily lashed out at Angela Merkel, warning her that the Muslim migrant crime problem in Germany would spill over into neighbouring countries, and stating that Hungary would not pay for Merkel’s error.” –

    Once again we have to realize, that: “Die deutschen sind unsere unglück!”
    Germany have now embraced the opposite extreme of Nazism: multiculturalism – and the results will be the same madness spurred by antisemitism and other appalling characteristics of Islam.

  24. Ade says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    So if we had refused migrants, we would have been thrown out ou the EU ?
    No need to vote Brexit at all !

  25. DFD says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    Hungary & Poland, that of course implies the other Visigrad countries, so far 4 in total. Brussels is either bluffing, or the ultra left wing cliques that have usurped all institutions in Brussels wants to establish an unshakable power base, thus wants to get rid of all opposition. In case you don’t understand this, just look at Hillary/Obama and the democrats in the US & Canada. Everywhere where Soros pulls the strings. Germany as well.

    Prediction, the counter EU will form, what I and some others, those others are mostly historians, expect. Namely something identifiable as the “Byzantine League”, the name can be different of course. They wont go it alone, A) because of (Putin’s) Russia & B) because of the EU itself. Thus close military cooperation is mandatory. What’s different from our expectancy/prediction to the current situation? We expected that to happen around 2030/35 to 2050 with large scale fighting or unrest in W Europe.

    If, or rather when that split occurs now, 2017/18 that is, what will be the reaction not only of the Visigrad Four, but also that of the Baltic states, plus Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria, in especially? The latter three have a very dim view of Islam, and Turkey in particular. Also, what will be the effect upon Croatia, Slovenia, Czechia and Slovakia? If they join, or merely associate, then there would, in that case at the least, be a knock-on-effect upon Montenegro and Macedonia, sizeable Muslim minorities and thus ongoing trouble. Kosovo is by now ethnically cleansed of Christians (Serbs), barring a few pockets; whilst Albania is close to being ethnically cleansed. Bosnia now is fully Muslim.

    Further impacts will be felt, and responded to, in Austria and the western Ukraine.

    Also, we wondered why there is the sudden rush for an independent EU army, looks like as if we have the answer. Question is: Whom would that army, if it comes into existence, side with? Unless Brussels accepts a competitor within which countries are free and, by and large, **Autonomous & Christian** on top of that.

    And that **A&C** is something LOATHED by Brussels!
    ==========================================

    Well, the Balkans are no longer a powder keg — it’s a pile of such kegs…

    • RonaldB says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      DFD,

      I’m delighted I saw your post.

      You mentioned the EU military they were trying to establish. My opinion is that there was too much resistance to an expansion of EU power that was so flagrant. I postulate they were counting on Hillary’s being elected President, and thus NATO troops would be available for enforcement of EU policy, probably with the use of a false flag operation. The fact is, the EU bureaucrats have not yet adjusted to the fact the Trump is now President, so they make threats which make very little sense now, but which would have been very worrisome had Hillary been elected.

      As we know, the main hold the EU has now over European countries is the structure of international loans financed by Germany, designed to make countries become dependent by spending beyond their means. Orban has gone out of his way to eliminate this type of dependence for Hungary.

    • DFD says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 5:46 pm

      Hi Ronald,

      Part 1
      =====.

      Thank you for your reply, nice to see you over here. I can’t be bothered about Gates anymore, too much censoring…

      I’ll work on your questions tomorrow, it’s getting rather late and I had a hard day. In the meantime, two conversations have developed, one with Mac and the other with Michael. I think you will be interested in both.

      Let’s begin with the one concerning Michael, I point to the beginning as well as to the (intermediate) end of the thread. It would make sense to read the thread from the beginning, it’s not long actually. You will find the links I provide very, very interesting, the implications are eugenics. As far as the thread with Mac is concerned, that deals with the upcoming civil wars, it’s an excerpt of part 1 of the civil wars – and that is long. The structure to the civil wars has changed, money, money, money is now part 0, followed by part 1, which deals with the current political situation. Then, thereafter, follows the actual development of the civil wars in Europe and the US. See additional below, after the links.

      If interested, I would suggest that we stay on this thread here, the present one, saves us jumping about. I would certainly be very interested, for, as you know, I do value your input, thoughts and suggestions. In other words, if interested, bookmark it/this.

      the thread begins here———

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/board-of-deputies-of-british-jews-reassures-muslims-who-are-anxious-after-london-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-1639633

      then scroll down to to there———-

      jihadwatch.org/2017/03/board-of-deputies-of-british-jews-reassures-muslims-who-are-anxious-after-london-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-1640129

      Additional:

      The post above, i.e., the “Byzantine whatever” is directly related to the upcoming civil wars. Obviously. So as an article of mine (an excerpt of the civil wars part 1, political situation) titled: “The Rise of the Führers” which is attached or posted in part 2, below. Incidentally, this also refers to a Dr. David Engels, who unfortunately agrees to the rise of not just some small Führers, but far worse; I make reference to that therein. This will already answer a part of the questions you raised. The type setting will of course be lost…

      Look for your reply…

      PS: Word of advise, please don’t pin your hopes on Trump too high. He is severely compromised, and I am not talking about his holdings/properties in the gulf states.

      Part 2 below…..

      • DFD says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 5:52 pm

        Part “A” of part 2:

        The Rise of the Führers:
        ===================

        The current crop of politicians who are opposed to the process of ultra left-wing politics and Islamization can be doubted. To say the least. At the time of writing this, 2016/2017 the situation in Europe is one of election jitters, it is early 2017. In England there wont be elections for quiet a while, and the country has practically become a one-party state. Not by a coup, but by the inept politics of the labour party. The Tory party is essentially following an outwardly nationalistic, self interested course, for the voter. But for practical purposes the party is ‘internationalist free trade’; and damn everything else. Other opposition does not really exist, it is negligible. Further, a democracy requires an upper and a lower house, a balance, a check of powers. There is now talk about dissolving the upper house, the excuse being Brexit. If that happens, then British democracy ceases to exist. The house of Commons will essentially become a politburo.

        On the mainland elections are looming. It is possible that in France Le Pen may win, but she does not offer any solution to the problem that concerns the people. Namely the rapid Islamization of France. France is by now in a state of emergency for well over a year, over a million soldiers are on the streets, soldiers! Not policemen. For nearly a month there were in 25 towns and areas civil war like riots and unrests. Le Pen actively courts the so called modest Muslim vote – a person is either a Muslim, following the Koran and the prophet, or not. There is no in between, as has been asserted again and again by Muslim political leaders and by every Muslim clergy. What is le Pen offering the French people? Taking France out of NATO and holding a plebiscite about the Euro and EU membership. Action of minor or secondary concerns. She will make a good runner-up to whomever wins the election. Further to the east, the Netherlands. Strongest candidate, Gert Wilders. What can he achieve, despite or given all his rhetoric and promises? Nothing. He is forecast to obtain 29 seats – out of 150… Even if that gives the highest single concentration of seats for a single party, namely his, he faces an opposition of 131 to 29! He couldn’t even determine the color of the toilet rolls in the Dutch parliament. All parties have stated there will not be a coalition with him. Around 2005, I think, there was a similar party to his, with nearly identical demands or promises. The achieved 25 seats, strongest showing of all parties. Though, not enough to govern. Incidentally, their party leader was murdered. Germany, the AfD witnesses an internal power struggle, and has no single leader to provide leadership. That is to say it’s currently a debating club. And the voters don’t like it. They were on second and third place, a party that’s just about four years old! And now they are sliding…

        Over to the US: What is Trump, leader of the western powers, doing to help his European friends and well wishers? Showing an act of solidarity? No. Inviting them to the white house? No. Anything at all? No. He certainly appears to be keen on strong enemies, and weak allies. Well, for that he is holding hands with Theresa May, under whose auspices the sharia courts in Britain have more than doubled. And whenever she meets Muslims, in whatever function, she is a dutiful and obedient dhimmy, wearing a hijab… Encore! So, what significant change can be expected from Trump? I don’t dare guessing, he took four ex-Goldman Sachs managers into his cabinet. One of which is ex-Soros. Ex-Soros? Hmh. Doesn’t he understand that the Soros NGO’s are ideological based institutions? Further, he ordered a plan how to deal with ISIS, even I was excited, gave standing ovation, spiritually from afar that is. So what came of it? A watered-down and modified version of what was planned under Obama… However, I have no doubt he will affect noticeable changes about Mexican immigration. Who knows, may be even significant changes. Achievements so far, March 2017, he backed down before China; something about which the Chinese media was outright jubilant. Russia/Putin? No change. Well, still early days, and he has to fight the deep state – the very one that’s fighting him. And may be, just may be, he may realize that he needs strong, friendly allies. Should he realize that, then let us hope that he will do so in time…

        Back to Europe: What do the mainstream parties on the mainland offer the voters on Islam? The possibility (!) of a prohibition of the Burka. Incredible, the house is on fire and they want to put up no-smoking signs. The voters concern about immigration? Every month tens of thousands from Africa, Arabia and Asia, if not a hundred thousand. Now they are repatriating, about 50 to 100 of these per month, And that is celebrated in the main stream media as if we landed on Mars and found the key to eternal life… I wonder, do people become more stupid when elections are approaching? I apologize profusely, that would of course be against our values. Hah! Harharhar-hardiharhar! Our values. I just love that bit…

        Now let us be cheerful and assume that all three parties win, in such manner, so overwhelmingly that they are capable to govern without having to form a coalition. Then they will have to fight through nearly all institutions and departments, since these are occupied and staffed by the left and the ultra left. And not one of those victors has the guts for purges. They will all ‘play by the rules’ – and will be sabotaged, dragged into endless procedures and processes. In other words, no change.

        In the US the newly elected president Trump is experiencing precisely that. He started some replacements, but not a single purge. The previous president continues to fight him actively, and so does his previous opponent from the democratic party. The press is launching one staggering hate campaign after another against him. And not ‘just’ the American press, nay! The European press as well, from Lisbon to Berlin. Eastern Europe being the only exception. The British press isn’t any different either, one well meaning article, sweet sounding or at least reasonable – then ten pages of hate. As the Frankfurters, the Black Block, said, they will march into the institutions and occupy the positions of control. And so they have. Donald Trump is a business man, will he do purges? Will he fight, well he has to, will he or can he win against what is in America known as the ‘Deep State’? Doubtful. Donald Trump vs the deep state, and the press, and the former president, and the opposition leader… Have a wild guess. Any bets? If so, remember, odds and chances are not the same thing.

        Be certain, have no doubt, the Führers are watching. And the mood in the population, brooding, despair, anger and suppressed rage. Yes, the Führers are watching, and calculating their chances. Assume the military having to take control, their instinct, being western Europeans, will be to reinstate a democratic government as soon as possible, if not maintaining an emergency one outright, in parallel with military rule. Only problem, to which one of these weaklings and bickerers will a general give power? If I were a general and forced to take power, my answer would be: “Not to one of those polit-clowns!” Even as a general I would not want to see Europe, or European nations run by the army, I think or at least hope that we are past that, but I would most certainly look for somebody who can provide civilian leadership. Can you see one in Europe? None with search lights and infrared? Try a microscope…

        And in the US, Trump? Can you see him signing lists of, you know…. I can’t. By the way, Antifa in Germany alone has about 25,000 members.

        I used the term ‘Führer’ deliberately. To denote a leader whom, at this point in time, nobody wants, or only very few. The question is, given the current circumstances and the accelerating pace of development, will this Führer be Plato’s (or even Nietzsche’s) benign dictator, as Cincinatus was, celebrated by the Americans by naming a city after him, or will he be a tyrant? He will certainly be of conservative to right wing background, and here the questions are: How far to the right will he or she be, and the same question holds true for the immediate personnel surrounding such a Führer. These are nearly as important as he, if not more so. And what will he or she do once firmly established in power?

        He can easily rise in the US just as well. The notion of “…oh we have security, homeland, police, military…” So do we in Europe. Meaningless, only works in a controllable, non-chaotic situation. A Führer needs only a few percent of such institutions/forces behind him, then he can take power. The bulk of such institutions or organizations will follow, the ‘top-down’ structure and the hierarchies will make sure of that, they are designed that way. They have to carry out, they have to obey the orders of their superiors, otherwise they would not be police, security, or military type forces; nor would they be governmental organizations. Simple as that. Have a look at the history of coup de etat’s, putsches, power grabs, there’s plenty.

        Can’t happen in the US? A most sad smile to that. Have a look at the way the US police is rapidly developing… Can’t happen in the US? Like rapes in public, naaahhhh, we have the second amendment, we carry cocked and locked…. Again, nonsense. All one needs is to have a look at events in Minnesota, from mid 2016 onward – and there’s going to be more of this, much more, Trump or not. Refer to “Why More Riots Are Coming Soon.webm” in the video section. The Muslims cannot turn back, the Jihad is running. And many, many of its soldiers are utterly ill-disciplined riff-raff! The American Senate? Humpf! They will do as much as the British Parliament did when Cromwell marched the Army into the chamber. They may wave papers and shout protest, but against the rifles or sub-machine guns, the American Senate will do as much as the Commons did against the muskets, swords and hell-beards, nothing.

        Before I define Führer, let’s set the scene.

        The views of the public, more importantly, their emotions and the resultant views. In midsummer 2016 I met an elderly couple from Bradford, I live in a tourist area in the UK, a conversation developed and they were very cagey with answers and comments when I referred to Islam – understandably. In Bradford the churches are behind bars, fences and even barbed wire, church attendance, barely. Defiling of churches, i.e., throwing garbage over the fences, filth and eggs against the windows and walls, practically daily. That couple was late war or early post war generation, that is to say a good deal older than I was. They grew up with Churchill being the next best thing to The Saviour, the empire is great, etc. When they felt secure with me, a comment or question finally came out; he asked me this: “When push comes to shove, what will you chose, Allahu Akbar or Sieg Heil? We know what we will chose.” I didn’t know what to reply. I just didn’t, I was stunned. And the way he asked, and her facial expression, like a child taking the attitude: “Now I do especially so!”

        contnd below…..

      • DFD says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 5:53 pm

        Part “B” of part 2:

        (The Rise of the Führers, continued)

        A few months thereafter I had a get together, with some associates and friends, married as well as unmarried. Three of them (two married couples and one single man, thus 5 in total) are Freemasons, a people persecuted by the Nazis. The theme turned to Islam. One of the masons said: “I’d wish Hitler would have left bloody Russia alone and sorted things out over here first.” I was perplexed, that from a free mason! The others, free masons as well as the non masons agreed verbally or by nodding, not a single voice of opposition or refusal. Instead: “…we need someone like him.” …. “Yeah, and not only in England…” And from the neighbouring two tables there came nodding, or commenting of approval or agreement. Then the looks turned to me, I am Anglo-German, I did not know what to say. I merely pointed out that the first victims of any tyrant are invariably his own people, the Germans were the ones who suffered most under the Nazis. No response to that, instead they continued along the given lines. And I am talking middle England and your *classical or typical* Englishman and woman!

        Same on various European websites, usual refrain, “…I’ll sooner a later will be a Nazi. Newspapers and TV call me Nazi and racist, and the politicians do the same … so I well be one/become one/I’m thinking about it…” Along these lines. If somebody would have told me that ten or twenty years ago, I would not have believed it. Note, pulling these people, lost sheep, pulling them back and redirecting them, is not easy, believe me.

        If you think that’s flabbergasting, consider this, RAI, Italian news, year 2016: http://tinyurl.com/h929ch5

        “Mein Kampf” was either the favourite reading or among the top ten favourite readings for a number of Italian schoolchildren. And not just in a single one particular or peculiar region. No, that was established with or in classes in Palermo, Catanzaro (Calabria), Potenza (Basilicata), Tivoli and Gaeta (Lazio), Trieste, Udine (Fruili-Venezia Giulia), and Piacenza (Emilia Romagna). Have a look at the link, you don’t need to speak Italian to understand.

        The atmosphere is brooding, for lack of a better word. So, what would be expected of a Führer? And by now I use that term deliberately. What is expected is a solution to the Muslim problem, that’s essentially it, as far as I can gauge. At least, I hope it’s not more. When I raise in conversations, direct or via the net, that this or such a man would be required to fill trains, even freight trains with Muslims, deport them or confine them into transit camps for later transport out by barge or similar, the answer is always: “Yeah, that’s about it.” No qualms, and they knew what I was referencing. And I didn’t come up with that, I received that as an answer to one of my questions thereto, and now I use it as part of my questions to others. When stating that their desired Führer may not stop there once in power, the usual reply, with some variations: “So what?! I want to live a normal life, I don’t want to be afraid (for myself, my children etc.), I want to celebrate Christmas and holidays as I am used to. I don’t want that halal crap. And always that bloody: ‘I am offended’ …So as not to offend Muslim sensibilities” And on and on and on. The hatred in the eyes and voices of ordinary people, when they speak about those endless “Muslim sensibilities” is staggering.

        The potential Führers I mentioned initially (above) are the tolerable or acceptable ones, but who knows what’s waiting in the wings, or what will come to the fore once the situation blows. And it will!

        There are a number of people who equate Islam with Nazism/Fascism, how evil Nazism is or was, that Hitler had a few SS-divisions (never minding the few million Muslims mobilized by Churchill, De Gaulle and Roosevelt – and who showed their ‘gratitude’ for that towards the empires in no uncertain terms), all that means nothing to the people. And their number grows, wherever one looks. They don’t seem to form movements, nor do they seem to be willing to join parties. In a way, it is very strange. Or at least, it appears to me as strange.

        Force the people of Europe into either an ‘Allahu Akbar’ or ‘Sieg Heil’ choice, I can tell you exactly what the majority will chose, today already. At best ten years, and someone who says: “Give me the power, and I will solve the problem in one go! Yes! It will be bitter medicine, but the disease is worse. Do you want to continue to suffer the disease? If not, follow me!” He will get the power, have no doubt. And the media and the politicians are forcing that situation relentlessly. Worrying? Now? Yes. But in ten years or so? Perhaps we will replace the word ‘worry’ with ‘hope’. Who knows? Moral guidance? The churches are practically denying Jesus and invite Imams into the churches to pray – and many of their prayers curse Christians and Jews. It is eerie. There is some sort of a sense of foreboding.

        Do you think all this is depressing? In February 2017 a Dr David Engels, I believe of the Netherlands or was it Denmark?, of classical studies came to exactly the same conclusions that I have reached here and described. Though, from a completely different perspective, namely the fall of the Roman Republic. And he cited the similarities, practically identical, point upon point, currency, voting chaos, lack of responsibilities and accountability (Brussels for us), and so on and so forth. Not a single sheet of news on papyrus posted at a triple road junction, Trivia, that even remotely resembled a divergence of opinion… {Insert: Latin “Tri Via” = Three Roads, now you know where the term ‘trivia’ comes from}

        He too thinks that the rise of Führers is inevitable, but far more worrying, he thinks a Super Führer is a distinct possibility, yes, an Emperor. Because many Europeans are not willing to give up the Union. In Britain the Brexit vote was ultra close, 48% contra, 52% pro. The EU will change, dramatically. But cease to exist? Far too many, very powerful interests want it to exist. And those interests have a lot of money at stake. And money is extremely important, believe it or not.

        What else, can we cling to something? Ah, our values. What values and which ones? Most of these are gone, or literally perverted. Gender mainstream, for children from 4 years on! Gender is a social construct, don’t you know? Has nothing to do with nature – with what? ‘Get out of here with these outdated concepts, you are living in the past.’ In the first few days of March 2017 a prayer meeting of pro-lifers, about ten people, was attacked in Germany by Antifa. Injuries, stone throwing, insults, obscenities; arrests: None. Persecution, none. The MSM, not interested – after all, these weren’t Muslims praying for Allah’s curse upon the Christians, were they? What was the Telegraph or the Guardian writing about Christians, approximately a year or two ago? Quoting from memory: “Christians are socially awkward. They are Nazis with pin-stripes and crosses.”

        Be sure, the Führers are watching. And they are not in the far-right-wing mini parties, be sure of that too. A Führer wont stem from these, he needs widespread, public support.

        Talk about living in interesting times.

        • RonaldB says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 3:54 pm

          Hello DFD,

          Yes, very happy to be corresponding with you here, and I indeed have saved the links, although a bit too lazy yet to actually download the contents of the videos.

          It occurs to me the biggest danger of the super-fuhrer you described is that there are no constraints to his warlike actions with hostile foreign powers. Even didn’t take actual genocidal actions towards the Jews until pressed by war which he really didn’t want, but got into through blundering miscalculation. He didn’t realize the British could not be pushed past a certain point. Once that point was reached, Churchill figured they might as well get rid of the German threat, once and for all.

          Similarly, Saddam Hussein, as monstrous as he was, was actually far better for Iraq than the alternative. But, for some reason, Hussein felt he could defy the US directly. Interestingly, Hitler, Stalin and Hussein shared the quality that they tended to execute the messenger of unwanted news or advice. The place most likely for a super-fuhrer to crash is not domestic policy, but ill-considered foreign adventures. Machiavelli advised against occupying foreign countries unless you actually intend to go live there.

          I have been reading a fascinating book, “The Law of Civilization and Decay”
          https://www.amazon.com/Law-Civilization-Decay-Brooks-Adams/dp/1533262446/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491506292&sr=8-1&keywords=law+of+civilization+and+decay

          Adams claims that every successful civilization contains the seeds to its own decay and destruction. Briefly, countries succeed because of their yeoman/small farmer stock, hardy and independent, who form the basis of the successful armies. But, as the territory is consolidated and tamed, the more sophisticated money lenders/financial manipulators bring all money and power to themselves, and thus displacing and impoverishing the original stock of independent, self-reliant small farmers and merchants.

          So yes, the influx of Muslims and other low-quality, unassimilable third-world immigrants is indeed only one problem. Part of the problem is maintaining the characteristics of the original native peoples; I don’t mean just the skin color, but the moral and public virtue characteristics. Just giving parents with children a few tax breaks will not solve the problem.

          I tend to agree with you that whatever the mysterious motivations of the leadership of the Western countries, the desire for money plays a big part. Adams cites many cases of aristocrats, bankers, money-lenders, and financiers, who seem motivated by nothing but increasing their own wealth. I also agree that it is not simple ignorance of the true nature of Islam that accounts for the incomprehensible determination of the leaders to bring Muslims into our countries.

          I’ll think a leader is serious about military protection of his country when he begins real civil defense measures among the civilian population. You know how susceptible we are to even a high-altitude, nuclear EMT burst. As far as I know, the only countries actually implementing civil defense are Russia, China, and Israel. But, without civil defense, any military posturing is just so much hot air. Of course, inconveniencing people to prepare for disasters shows them they have some skin in the game, and would likely drain much enthusiasm for stupid military adventures.

          I tend to agree with you about Trump. He seems to be moving to more establishment positions. For example, in Syria, you have your choice between ISIS and the Assad government. I saw a claim that the chemical release actually came from rebel stockpiles that got bombed. I don’t really care. If the US takes action against Assad, they’re weakening the most effective resistance to ISIS. It’s not our business to police other countries, and Trump’s emotional reactions to babies getting killed is worrisome. I was hoping that Trump the sociopath would not react emotionally to wartime acts.

          But, like the hypochondriac said when asked how he was doing: “Pretty well, considering the alternative.”

        • RonaldB says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 3:55 pm

          “Even Hitler didn’t take genocidal actions…”

        • DFD says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 4:37 pm

          Hi Ronald,

          Thanks for your reply.

          Referring first to your points in your post/response to my post about: “Hungary & Poland, that of course implies the other Visigrad countries …” And therefore beginning with your second part: “…As we know, the main hold the EU has now over European countries is the structure of international loans financed by Germany, designed to make countries become dependent by…”

          Yes and no. It was a French condition to agree to Germany’s reunification that the Euro would be established. The Germans simply had to agree. They are very unhappy about that Euro thing, does Greece ring a bell? The French of course had strong motives, the exploitation, or rather plundering, of the Saar coal (mini Versailles) came to an end in the early 80s – that money was surely missing. Further, they thought that with the Euro they get control of German finances, thus industrial power. Went wrong, the Germans turned the table, just look at the history of France and Germany from the 80s on… Or look at the banks in Frankfurt and compare with Paris.

          The initial part of your post, I think we’d only differ in detail.

          Referring now to your post dated the 6th of April, I don’t think you read through the rise of the Fuhrers. Neither Dr. Engel’s nor I are referring to the past, Hitler, Stalin etc.

          We are referring to the
          ——————————-
          current and resulting future.
          ————————————-

          And that includes Dr. Engel’s ‘Super Fuhrer’. The Emperor, I shudder. I think you’d better read my post again, OK, it’s looonnng, but believe me, it’s worth it. None of which deals with the past. Not by a long shot.

          Well, let’s see where this takes us too. Donald Trump, among other things? Would you be surprised if I tell you that he is beholden **indebted that is** to George Soros? And by indebted, I mean INDEBTED. Think about something like $60-80million in cash, plus $100-150million in profits or value increase. Did I get your head spinning? There’s a lot more to that bit….

        • DFD says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 5:00 pm

          Hi Ronald,

          Further, re Trump and Syria, in 2013 Assad was supposed to have used Sarin on the his own poor people. Obama was outraged, crossed the line, bla bla. Problem: The CIA advised him that Assad had no manufacturing capabilities for Sarin, and didn’t have any in his stocks. But Turkey had and has the facilities to manufacture and store, plus the planes and containers/bombs to deliver them.

          Even **left wing** politicians in Germany, and the don’t come much more anti-Assad than those guys, saying that reeks of a false flag op.

          Let me put it this way: The Syrians are fleeing from ISIS, AL-Nusrah, Al Qaedah, etc. In any direction, first of all towards Assad, then Turkey and Europe. Assad is fighting those factions/alliances. Now he is supposed to bomb the people whose only hope he is? But not bombing his, and their, enemies? When his troops liberated Aleppo, the people there celebrated Christmas with Christmas trees… And he is supposed to bomb such people with a highly uncontrollable gas – which can drift into his own lines? Does this compute?

          Perhaps one should ask the age old question: Who benefits? Answer, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, our trusted allies and partners. In other words, all those who want that pipeline to go through Syria, without paying the Syrians of course. And the resultant Mediterranean terminal would of course be an international, protected zone – nothing to do with Damascus any more… And when Assad said: “No!” the Syrian spring blossomed and the freedom loving Sunnis of Al Qaeda etc. just had to rebel. What was their battle cry? Christians to Lebanon or the grave. Shias (and their affiliates) to the grave.

        • RonaldB says

          Apr 8, 2017 at 5:02 pm

          Hello, DFD,

          I took your advice and re-read your entire postings, slowly and carefully, fighting my own impulses to take short cuts.

          There is wisdom in what you say. A super-fuhrer would not necessarily be a good choice, but you’re saying that is what Europeans will choose if they feel the choice is between a Nazi-style dictatorship and a Muslim society.

          As far as using this thread to communicate, I’m more than willing. I’m also thinking this is not the only place you post long essays. Perhaps if I gave you my email, you could simply shoot a link whenever you post one. I did spend a lot of time at Gates. To me, their benefit is they give a deeper analysis of European events than you can find almost anywhere else on a regular basis.

          I liked your experiment with the anonymous bucket for essays and comments, but I assume it never got right. Anyway, if you like, I’ll simply post my email here. I don’t really care if someone hostile gets it or not. I’m not very much of a snowflake.

          And, I did look at the videos. I downloaded the link you gave to Kalergi’s book and am in the process of reading it. My impression so far is amazement that something like this exerts such a draw on supposedly intelligent people. But, my own opinion is that the general intelligence we hear so much about is actually fragmenting genetically, so you can have people with high verbal skills, but low analytic ability, which it seems to me is exactly the type of mind to which Kalergi appeals.

        • DFD says

          Apr 8, 2017 at 9:05 pm

          Hi Ronald,

          Thank you for your reply. please forward your mail address

        • RonaldB says

          Apr 8, 2017 at 11:45 pm

          ron15bf@verizon.net

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 15, 2017 at 8:30 pm

          Ronald–with all respect–the idea that poor old Adolf was forced to commit genocide is pretty absurd.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 15, 2017 at 8:39 pm

          Dear DFD, I’m afraid I still have to take issue with the idea that what we really need is a Führer, and that Western values are not worth defending.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 15, 2017 at 8:45 pm

          In fact, one of the major problems with the EU is that it is unelected and dictatorial–look at what they are doing here to Hungary and Poland.

  26. mortimer says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:52 pm

    With 70% of the popular vote behind him, PM Orban will not cave in.

    EU is led by a DICTATORSHIP OF UNELECTED CLERKS.

  27. TJ says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:58 pm

    I think the best thing Hungary and Poland can do is look at the dubious achievements in the koran. Obviously the writers of the koran are much less talented than Jesus. Then their judgment should be to refuse to die at the hands of someone who is falsely projecting guilt on people for rejecting statements which should be rejected. Then they will be free. Unfortunately, it looks like they have to leave the EU to do this.

  28. Sam says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:58 pm

    The money talks. EU will bribe Hungary and Poland to accept immigrants. Hope they wont give in

    • RonaldB says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 3:23 pm

      Orban is too smart to take EU money. He’s addressed that in his speeches. I don’t know about Poland.

  29. zub says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 2:32 pm

    Hungary and Poland should call the EU’s bluff and be forced to leave. Meanwhile develop a trading partnership with Britain as a way to stick it back at them.

  30. Guy Jones says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    What amazes me is that, with the EU already in a fragile and precarious state, given the pending “Brexit” and an increasingly unhappy and discordant membership, instead of showing some humility and circumspection, Merkel and Hollande arrogantly issue diktats to Poland and Hungary that only serve to exacerbate tensions within the EU, and, which cause further erosion of notions of European “unity” (such as they are), in the best case, and, could very likely lead to the eventual exit of Poland and Hungary from the EU (worst case scenario). The rank arrogance and myopia of the European elites never ceases to amaze.

    • RonaldB says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 3:49 pm

      The EU was working towards the elimination of European nationalism. They considered the election of Hillary so certain, they didn’t have a backup plan. This is why you see the rigid, unresponsive moves by EU bureaucrats. They are slow-witted, comfortable, and not used to dealing with real opposition. We ought to be thankful they are showing their true colors now.

      From their point of view, their best move would actually be to lay low and reinvent a softer face until either a Democrat or establishment Republican becomes President. But, as I mentioned, a bureaucrat with no accountability becomes even more sluggish and stupid than he started out to be.

  31. Stan Lee says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Both Hungary and Poland should opt to leave, the EU does nothing except to create problems for all of its members. Nations are far better off in maintaining their individual sovereignty, and in this particular case both Poland and Hungary should consider what France, Germany, Belgium, and Sweden are going through with “desperate” refugees who aren’t “desperate enough” as they attempt forcing their issue of abiding by “shariah” and disrespecting the laws of the countries which allowed them to come in.
    They should have been quartered in the Mid-East, out of range of the combat areas. That could have been done by EU countries arranging for safe areas and not shipping them to Europe.
    Very magnanimous of the EU, but also stupid and inconsiderate of the natives of each country concerned who pay the taxes so their governments can waste the tax money collected on foolishness.

    • Rob says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 9:03 pm

      The U.N. also arranged for “refugee” shipments to Canada, Australia, the U.S. and various South American countries.

  32. vlparker says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    Leave, Poland and Hungary. And tell the EU to suck eggs.

  33. clap says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    Such a hard decision. Stay in a corrupt organization that is falling apart and accept violent foreigners into their nations, or leave and preserve their cultural heritage.

  34. citycat says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    “East is east and west is west and ne’er the twain shall meet”

    How true

    Time is passing

    Hungary and Poland should individualize now and join in unity the enlightened apostates from the infested EU

    The more the merrier

    .

  35. somehistory says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    All those yeas ago when those countries decided to make one big country with one type of money, etc.. I thought “how dumb.” I told a few people that I thought it would turn out to be a big mistake, to give someone living someplace else, the *right* to tell them what to do.
    Now, they have found it was a lousy idea.

    One cannot trust “leaders” to do what is best for the people.
    The Psalms says not to trust “nobles” and that is the best advice. People make mistakes in their personal lives. Leaders make mistakes in governing a small town. Large town, state, country.
    With ones who are so arrogant they think they can rule their country and a bunch of others besides….who could expect good to come of it?

    The more people they try to control, the worse it gets.

    • Rob says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 9:07 pm

      The distance between the E.U. leadership and the peoples of the member countries is no greater than the distance between America’s politicians and the American people. Power corrupts.

  36. Arthur says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    I wonder if religion is the only thing that can endure to hold a country together. In a sense, religion is a belief system that transcends the family unit, but draws on a similar innate behavior as the defense of one’s family. Like honeybees which sacrifice their lives to save the hive, religion imports such a greater purpose. Nationalism sometimes takes its place, but does not have the unalterable identity, and freedom from human criticism, that religion provides.

    I write like an atheist, but actually am fully a member of the Christian ‘hive.’ It has been my experience that many (most?) of the atheists of today are so little informed on the subject of religion, because they view it as a waste of time, that they completely underestimate the transcendence of religion. These ignorant atheists see religion as a set of values, traditions, and rituals but fail to recognize the dedication and connectedness that a group of believers shares. I know many JW posters are atheists, but clearly not of the ignorant sort. By ignorant atheist, I specifically mean those who consider all religions the ‘same’ and view faith as simply puerile dependence on mysticism.

    It is no surprise to me that the nations which are most clearly opposed to Islamic infiltration are those which still hold a religious identity that they see as distinct from Islam. Nor does it surprise me that if a culture without religious identity successfully enforces a culturally defined style of swimwear, then it believes it has eliminated divisions within its people.

    I struggle to see how nations, saddled with unpayable debts and infiltrated with a militant, intolerant invasive force that eats away at liberty like a worm in a nut, will preserve their founding ideals.

    • citycat says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 12:24 am

      I have been at the door of death

      I called to God

      All of them

      No reply

      A man saved my life

      Not God

      • Rob says

        Apr 6, 2017 at 9:21 pm

        ALL of them? I suspect that you don’t really know any religion very well. Most humans think that calling for “god” (any god) to rescue them should instantly result in the appearance of a HELLFIRE missile, Seal Team 6 or at least a tank armed to the teeth! But that “my solution on demand” or a bevy of perpetual virgins isn’t what religion is really all about. Sorry. But I’m glad that a man was there to save your life, regardless of his motivation or how he came to be there.

        • citycat says

          Apr 6, 2017 at 10:05 pm

          I made a mistake

          I shall not make the same mistake again

          Talking about God

        • citycat says

          Apr 7, 2017 at 12:24 am

          Rob

          It is too long a story

          I have only 250 characters a post

          Duff phone just now

          No space to explain

          No God does not mean no souls of men

          Souls seen rising out of the dead on battlefields

          Flight of souls after 911

          Visits from departed ones

          .

  37. Erl Roe says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 3:23 am

    What a bunch of arrogant scum bags … yes take your countries out of this decaying corpse and maintain your nationhood no matter what no country or culture should alow its people to be subject to a evil political idiology as Islam I salute a free Poland and Hungry

    Erl

  38. nicholas tesdorf says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 3:38 am

    The Continent “needs six million migrants especially Muslim ones like a hole in the head. This is Hungary and Poland’s chance to join Britain on the bold new frontier of Brexit, from where they can watch the EU disintegrate.

  39. Omar says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 9:37 am

    I lived in Poland and have a daughter born there. A wonderful country full of USA loving citizens. Could they petition and become the 51st state. Please respond.

  40. Voytech says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Hahaha you mean to tell me that when I go visit family in Poland I don’t have to worry about being blown up or run over by a truck while having a tea . Great news thank God Poland still has its own currency . Bye bye EU . And also Hungry vacation next

    • Rob says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 8:02 pm

      Great vacation idea. I don’t think that

      Great vacation idea! I think that Western Europe and Scandinavia are currently too dangerous to visit.

  41. Angemon says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 11:04 am

    France and Germany, along with a host of up to 21 other countries, are set to demand Hungary and Poland either accept migrants under the quota system or leave the European Union.

    Forgive my speaking of nonsense, but if, like German politicians contend, “migrants” are a boon to a country, shouldn’t they be grateful that Hungary and Poland don’t want to take any in? I mean, more to them.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 1:24 pm

      Not nonsense at all! Very logical point!

      Splendidly thought through!

  42. Jeanette says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 1:23 pm

    Leave and start the EIU – European Infidel Union.

    England will probably join, and the countries threatening to follow England out of the EU might, too.

    • citycat says

      Apr 6, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      From small acorns mighty oak trees grow

      But watch out for the Islamic creeping vines

      How about the

      WIU

      World Infidel Union

      .

  43. Peggy says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    And hopefully it’ll stay that way. Soros has ways of infiltrating into countries like that and using NGOs to start violent protests just like in Ukraine and Georgia.
    Unless they ban him and his connections there it will be had to hold onto these policies.

    I truly hope they ban him there.

  44. Rob says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Like Jim ones, the EU wants all the member “nations” to die together…mass suicide.

  45. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    When they leave, their economies will thrive!

    I import stuff from Europe all the time. Last year, the British pound was on par with the Canadian dollar; now it’s worth almost double that! My advice to Poland and Hungary? Get out while the getting’s good!

  46. citycat says

    Apr 7, 2017 at 7:16 am

    The 7 virtues of Islam are

    1 Stoning women

    2 Honour killing girls

    3 Bagging wives

    4 Imprisoning wives

    5 Beating wives

    6 Raping girls

    Oh and Allah made an error
    no one is perfect

    hence

    7 Mutilation of vaginas
    which is service to Allah

    .

  47. Schrödinger says

    Apr 7, 2017 at 10:19 am

    “You cannot blackmail the EU” is the hypocritical threat of “a senior diplomatic source from one of the bloc’s founding six member states”, reacting to Hungary and Poland’s evident sanity and preference for self preservation.

    However the EU can of course threaten YOU.

    But why cajole? Why complain at all? Why not rejoice at such good fortune, following Hungary and Poland spurning their own tremendous opportunity, of themselves benefiting instead. Could this seemingly peeved plenipotentiary be daring to intimate even some tiny reluctance on the part of those six member states to welcome all the muslim “refugees” they can possibly get? Impossible! That would be islamophobia.

  48. RationalVoice says

    Apr 8, 2017 at 11:40 am

    Excellent suggestion from the EU to Poland and Hungary. Leave that pathetic,naive,stupid union and have a sensible free trade policy with UK !!

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