We see it again and again with feminists: defending Islam trumps their concern for the rights of women, just as we see with gay rights activists such as Theresa Sparks and Chris Stedman that defending Islam trumps their concern for the persecution of gays in Muslim countries. What is behind this odd calculus is a mystery, but there is no doubt that in the Leftist hierarchy of pet causes, the defense of Islam today overrides everything else.
Greer is, of course, flatly wrong about female genital mutilation, which is indeed sanctioned in Islam (as is child marriage). “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251
“Do not cut severely,” but not “Do not cut.”
That’s why it is so common around the world. A Muslim cleric in Russia said that “all women should be circumcised.” A Muslim cleric in India likewise urged that it be done. A Muslim cleric in Australia said that Islamic law permitted the practice. A leading U.S. Muslim jurist from the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) said it was an “honor” in Islam. A marabout — a Muslim holy man — was arrested in France for having it done on his daughters. In the UK, there were 5,500 cases of FGM in 2016 alone. It is commonly claimed to be an East African problem, but 93% of Muslim women in Malaysia have suffered this procedure, and it is common in Indonesia. In one province in Iran, 60% of the women have suffered FGM.
“Citizenships, Skilled Workers and Mushrooms,” ABC.net.au, April 24, 2017 (thanks to Sidney):
…TONY JONES
Well, I mean, one thing we do know, there appears to be questions about child marriage, genital mutilation and striking your spouse. Are they likely to feed fears about Islam, or answer fears about Islam?TONY BURKE
Well, certainly domestic violence is a challenge across the whole of our country. Across the whole of our country. And any attempt to narrow down domestic violence as anything other than a national crisis, I think is a misrepresentation of what we’re dealing with.TONY JONES
But are you suggesting that might be the case here?TONY BURKE
Well, no, no. You just put that to me and I’m saying that I don’t accept a reference to domestic violence should ever be seen…TONY JONES
But the three things together – genital mutilation, domestic violence, striking your spouse. And considering the background of those women from Hizb-ut Tahrir who put out the video saying that it’s OK for their husbands to strike them, do you think these things are related?TONY BURKE
Whether they’re related in terms of motivation is an issue for the government to say. They have claimed that they’re not related in terms of motivation. Issues that you go through are not issues that characterise Islam.DERRYN HINCH
This is a…TONY JONES
I’ll come back to you, I promise.DERRYN HINCH
This is a deliberately loaded gun and I support the government on it. Because if you say yes or no on your application about domestic violence or child marriage, which is child rape, and then you…and genital mutilation, if down the track you are found to have been involved in any of that, the government can go back and say, “You lied on your application, therefore it’s a fraud and we can deport you.” And I think that’s a wise thing to have. It’s an insurance policy for the government, I applaud them for it.TONY JONES
So, just going back to the question I asked Tony Burke, do you think that fear of Islam has anything to do…?DERRYN HINCH
Yes, I do. I think the government is fudging this. I think that’s what it’s there for, but I accept it and I applaud it.TONY JONES
Germaine Greer, do you accept that?GERMAINE GREER
No, I don’t, really, because it’s not Islam. And it’s the sort of caricature of Islam that we keep promulgating. But it… All of this is weird. I mean, one of the commonest operations in the United States is reduction of the labia minora. And it costs you $8,000 or something, and it’s carried out massively. Huge, thousands, hundreds of thousands of cases a year.TONY JONES
But do you class that as genital mutilation?GERMAINE GREER
Well, I class circumcision as genital mutilation. Sorry, guys. If you’re going to really deal with this question of genital mutilation, start paying attention. Find out what happens to human genitalia. It’s not pretty and you mightn’t like it, but you’re going to be in a pretty silly situation if you start, you know, doing the – what did we used to call it? – the short-arm test, at the passport control. “Let me see if you’ve been mutilated.” And why does that particular mutilation have this kudos? Why is it such an important thing? Why does God like it? I don’t think God likes it at all. I think God should take issue….GERMAINE GREER
The thing you’re assuming is that in child marriage, there will be sexual intercourse. Now, if you actually look at the background to the way in which families marry, say, in village India, it’s not expected that the little girl will be subject to sexual intercourse. That will be controlled by her mother-in-law, probably, and access to the child will only be allowed when she’s considered to be old enough to be able to deal with it.DERRYN HINCH
Like 14.GERMAINE GREER
And this… Well, that used to be the British age…
mortimer says
STOP PRESS!!! AYATOLLAH Germaine Greer overrules SHARIA LAW SINGLE-HANDEDLY!!!
Without having read ONE PRIMARY ISLAMIC SOURCE TEXT or even a SINGLE MANUAL of SHARIA LAW, self-declared EXPERT on Islam, Germaine Greer, has preposterously and spontaneously declared that FGM is not part of Sharia law.
In fact, FGM IS PART OF SHARIA LAW.
Germaine Greer is GUESSING and stating her GUESS as her personal fact.
The FACT is in Sharia law’s manual ‘THE RELIANCE OF THE TRAVELLER’ ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3.
http://www.actmemphis.org/Reliance-of-the-Traveller2_complete.pdf
‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3,
maghan says
Is this woman doting. Such stupid talk. Why was she ever “famous”. I mean, what an imbecile. An eyesore and a brain-sore–all at once. Wonders never cease.
One part that really sums up the hypocritically stupidity of this fossil. On the issue of marriage she veers off into child marriage in India. Dumb Germaine, we are not talking about that. We are talking about 60 year old men marrying a 9 year old just to bang her to death–Muhammad style. Islamic style.
Greyhound Fancier says
I looked up some information about labiaplasty, which Miss Greer equates with FGM. If the article I found is correct, a total of 5,000 of those were done in the US in 2015 (significantly fewer than the 600,000 done according to Miss Greer). All the women were of age, some had medical purposes, but sadly, most had this surgery as a plastic surgery procedure. Evidently, the rise of pornographic images of childlike female genitalia as some type of ideal has prompted this operation. A quote from the article below:
“The myriad controversial aspects of the surgery have earned it more than a few comparisons to female genital cutting, a millennia-old practice in 29 Sub-Saharan African and Middle Eastern countries, as well as parts of Latin America and South and Central Asia. While the UN has become increasingly intolerant of FGC, it’s difficult not to recognize some kinship between labiaplasty and the practice, which the World Health Organization broadly summarizes as “procedures that intentionally alter or cause injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.”
“The relationship between the two is strengthened by the fact that FGC has been medicalized – meaning performed in sterile environments by doctors and other healthcare practitioners – in countries such as Egypt. Obviously, the adult women undergoing labiaplasty and other forms of vaginal rejuvenation live in the world’s richest countries and not only volunteer for the surgery, but pay significant sums for it.
“Conversely, those subjected to FGC are overwhelmingly young women under the age of 15, almost none of whom have a choice in the matter. Still, if outdated cultural attitudes are to be blamed for the persistence of FGC – as they so often are by human rights organizations and the media – perhaps we should carefully consider the driving forces behind so many labiaplasties. At the very least, there’s a certain irony to the alarm over news that female genital mutilation cases have recently doubled in the U.S., given that they’re happening in the shadow of labiaplasty’s rapid expansion.”
“The Labiaplasty Boom: Why Are Women Desperate for the Perfect Vagina?” (alternet.org)
Gen Jones says
More whataboutery! I too thought her figures were way too high. The aspect of this that is really disingenuous on Ms Greers part is her citing US statistics when most likely Australia has a bigger problem. Strangely it’s because of the censorship of pornography in Australia. Girly magazines in Australia, and pornography in general most likely, are censored only in the fact that a photoshop expert edits any labia minoria that is too prominent, leading women to think that their unique labia configuration is some undesirable aberration. U.S. girly magazines or “porn” in general is not censored this way. In fact on seeing illicit images as a teenager ages ago in a hidden stash of girly magazines I was initially quite shocked at the frankness but delighted at the variation displayed. I’m a female btw. I thought, wow, nature is fascinating. Not to get too poetic but every woman has a unique flower. Anyone trying to excise that individuality is a criminal.
BC says
Even an eight year old can see the difference between a women having cosmetic surgery on her labia to make it look neater, and a primary school girl being held down by her mother while she is cut without anaesthetic, Often with a piece or glass or some other non sterile cutting tool. Many die from infectionor are damged for life. There is vast difference between someone having it done voluntarily by a surgeon and paying a lot for it and FGM as generally practised
by old unwashed women in huts. Only the brain dead or intellectually dishonest would make a comparison. In fact many men have preference for prominent labia.
There is a fetish on the left for thinking because something can be labelled ‘cultural’, as in fact is being claimed by the defence lawyer in USA, it must be accepted. It used to be in India that widows had to join their husband on his funeral pyre, but the wicked colonial British stopped it!
We also used to burn people to death for clinging to the wrong religion.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is completely different. Except for the rare medically-necessary procedure, most labiaplasty is generally pretty silly–but it is rare, elective, performed on consenting adults, and does not destroy sexual sensation.
Comparing the two is grotesque.
UNCLE VLADDI says
She got famous because back in the 60s, most people rightly assumed that when shrill feminazis asserted “Men must be stopped from ogling women!” they really only meant “all those OTHER women!” But Greer was allegedly cute when she was young, and so was used as a trend-bucking example.
Nowadays when her outer self more accurately reflects her inner self, it’s hard to remember how she matters and why she (allegedly) differed!
😉
Kepha says
Mortimer, you ought to know by now that American liberals, when they pronounce on anything under the sun, are infallible, whether speaking ex cathedra or ex cloaca (which is how Germaine Greer has been speaking ever since I can remember–and I’m a grandfather). However, I suspect that one reason why Germaine Greer developed a soft spot for Islam (it goes back a ways in her case) is because she recognizes the atomization her cause has been furthering in the West, and grew romantic about the extended family systems she saw during travels in Africa. Further, she is a product of the Silly ‘Sixties and SIllier ‘Seventies, in which men discovered they could play Peter Pan and get away with it.
gravenimage says
Kepha wrote:
…whether speaking ex cathedra or ex cloaca (which is how Germaine Greer has been speaking ever since I can remember–and I’m a grandfather).
………………………
“Ex cloaca”? now *that* is brilliant, Kepha.
somehistory says
Warren Jeffs is likely salivating at the idea that these moslims are going to be able to freely practice every aspect of their evil, demonic, religion from satan the devil…which includes the daily rape of little children under the lying guise of calling it *marriage.*
He is in prison because of forcing little girls into the daily rape from old scum and calling it *marriage* and saying it is his religion and right to do so.
Everyone in favor of allowing moslims to do anything to children as they please, should ask themselves, “How would I feel about this *marrying off a six year old girl to an old man* or taking every girl in to a sadistic *doctor* to be mutilated, if the churches of Christendom suddenly began instructing Christians that the God of the Bible had declared that these things are holy and Christians were “okay” with that?”
Warren Jeffs is a criminal and so are any moslims who do similar things to little children.
Vyx says
Well, since the left is all about sexualizing children and has been for a few decades now, I don’t think they will have a problem with it. They’ll just accept little girls being raped as the way to “express their sexuality.”
There might be more “issues” with killing gays… but then, maybe not. The left is inconsistent, so they may be OK with that, as long as they are not personally bothered by it.
As for genital mutilation, seems like another procedure that doctors will be able to bill to the insurance companies; it also causes problems down the line, which is more money to the doctors. So that’s not going to be a problem.
The march of Islam will unfortunately continue. It is worse in Europe, but things are not the best in the US either. If Christian churches embrace this, well, people can leave them and worship in small groups, like when the Church first started.
mortimer says
Vyx wrote: “There might be more “issues” with killing gays… but then, maybe not.”
Yes, ‘maybe not’, if they enjoin such ‘fantasies’ as S&M, leather bondage, etc. No kink is declared a mental illness… possibly torture-murder and snuff movies will become popular in certain gay circles.
Germaine Greer has NO IDEA what she is talking about. Such torture practices are found in the Sira and hadiths and furthermore, they are justified under Sharia law, especially in the case of ‘eye for an eye’ retributions… which are permitted in Islam. Germaine Greer is unaware that UNDER SHARIA LAW, in case of someone being maimed due to negligence, the responsible person will lose an eye, a hand, a foot, etc. in retribution.
Does Germaine Greer approve of EVERYTHING in Sharia law? Stoning of women adulterers (many of whom were actually raped)? That works for you, Germaine?
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Vyx wrote: “There might be more “issues” with killing gays… but then, maybe not.”
Yes, ‘maybe not’, if they enjoin such ‘fantasies’ as S&M, leather bondage, etc.
…………………….
Mortimer, I am not a big fan of S&M personally, but your idea that those who practice it regularly torture and murder people is utterly mistaken. S&M is consensual and does no lasting harm. S&M aficionados are not attacking and murdering people in the streets.
Greyhound Fancier says
FGM certainly does cause future problems for the mutilated. Hirsi Ali describes the FGM she was forced to undergo as a little girl, and when she married, she and her new husband literally could not have sex.
Jeanette says
If he was a Muslim, he was entitled to slice her up enough to engage in sex.
Hopefully, she didn’t marry a Muslim.
gravenimage says
No, she did not. Ayaan Hirsi Ali married the civilized Niall Ferguson. She had suffered not just FGM as a child, but infibulation, as well, where the vagina is sewn shut. Muslims just cut the victims of FGM III open with a knife.
She had to have extensive reconstructive surgery before they could make love, since her husband is not a barbarian.
Of course, even now, she can not experience any sexual pleasure. But she does have a loving marriage, and she and her husband now have a child.
gravenimage says
Vyx, your idea that Western doctors are so venal that they have no trouble mutilating little girls does not hold water. When has this *ever* happened? Those mutilating children as *Muslims*.
Adrian says
And Germaine Greer is NOT a feminist
bipedant says
And DEFINITELY not feminine
mortimer says
Greer lends her support to VICTIMIZERS, rather than pleading for the victims.
She has handed Muslim women over to the most PATRIARCHAL and MISOGYNISTIC SYSTEM in the world.
Islam’s ill treatment of women is UNCONSCIONABLE in our day and age.
PHONY-FAKE FEMINISTS such as Greer are sick in the head.
Irene Brekelmans says
What is up with Germaine Greer, is she still a feminist? I don’t hear feminists any more, nothing, they seem to have disappeared from the earth.
Little girls and young women following islam do not have the freedom to refuse it, it is mutilation and it stays mutilation. If you want to do that for yourself, that is another thing, you have free choice and if you want to do those things to beautify yourself, that is your own choice, and then it still is done under sedation. And little girls who are married of to old guys have no saying in it either and do you really believe Germaine that the mother in law has any saying in this and watches that the man waits until the girl is of age. You should read the qur’an and look what those man and the prophet too can do to those girls at the age of 9. I had thought you wiser, but as I am so put of lately by the so called feminists, I can not expect better. You should inform yourself better .
For girls and women, it is crime after crime, after crime, it’s stoning, honour killing, all kind of killings burning crucifying, cutting throats , and all kins of nice stuff, but not Islam he.!!!
BC says
Did you not notice the ‘million’ women march against Trump? Those called themselves ‘feminists’ in their silly pink p*ssy hats.
Has any body seen a march of any size against FGM and child marriage?
Jeanette says
I haven’t seen or heard of a single one.
Anyone else?
gravenimage says
Here’s a march against FGM in Bristol, England:
In the footsteps of their mothers: Bristol youth march against FGM
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/20/in-the-footsteps-of-their-mothers-bristol-youth-march-against-fgm
There should be *much more* of an outcry, though.
rbla says
LGBT spokesmen ignoring the murderous persecution of gays in Muslim countries and so-called feminists standing up for the most misogynistic religion on earth are all part of a pattern. There are environmentalists who willfully ignore the dire consequences to the environment of mass immigration induced population increase. There are one time peaceniks and leftists who have become new McCarthyists drumming up war with Russia in order to undermine patriotic politicians like Trump and Le Pen. One time champions of free speech riot to shut down speech. Their real objective has nothing to do with the causes they claim to champion. Their real agenda is the destruction of the American nation, and of Western civilization in general, and they will justify anything that contributes to that end including the reactionary religion of Islam.
Boston Tea Party says
Exactly. Once you understand that hatred of Western Civilization is the primary motivating factor for large swaths of the western left, then it makes perfect sense as to why they so often defend Islam and find common cause with Muslims. It’s eminently logical. On the issues they both consider to be of major importance, their worldviews overlap more than they clash.
Beyondculturewars says
Until they are subject to Sharia Law…….nothing will save them, except the shahada.
Diane Harvey says
What an amazing development is occurring right before our very eyes.
So, so many people, non-Muslims for sure, who have never, ever studied Islam, have so suddenly become experts in Islam and the laws & practices of Islam. From this pope to pop stars to loons like Greer and Steinem to heads of state like Bush, Obama, Merkel, Blair, May et alia, their knowledge of Islam stuns us all. As mentioned, we in the counter-jihad are truly amazed
And all of that knowledge is dead wrong. Which means more and more humans across the world will be dead, at the hands of Muslims, because no one, but a select few. is willing to learn Islam, and to confront the cruelty that Islam engenders.
Jeanette says
Hmmmm … more and more people across the world will be dead at the hands of Muslims.
How could the globalist elites use that to begin the depopulation in U.N. Agenda 2030 (Earth to have a population of 1/2 of 1 billion people – a reduction of 6.5 Billion people – by 2030)?
And would that strategy work more effectively if most of the western countries’ populations were disarmed before the globalists began infesting their countries with Muslims?
gravenimage says
Jeanette wrote:
How could the globalist elites use that to begin the depopulation in U.N. Agenda 2030 (Earth to have a population of 1/2 of 1 billion people – a reduction of 6.5 Billion people – by 2030)?
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Jeanette, I know you have cited this dozens of times here. But I have read UN Agenda 2030, and while it is disturbingly socialist and hints at income distribution–things I oppose–there is absolutely no mention of mass genocide. Where do you get this?
no_one says
Despicable old hag.
Jeanette says
Evil monster.
Correction: ANOTHER evil monster.
overman says
Greer is a typical feminazi and has always been sexually perverse [her face reflects the uglyness of her deviancy] . You’d think that someone who, ironically, wrote a book called ‘The Female Eunuch’ would have more sympathy for victims of FGM. How is a small piece of foreskin comparable to a clitoris? Greer seems to know nothing of her own anatomy. Removal of the clitoris is more like ‘Female Castration’.
“The clitoris is structurally and functionally homologous to the penis of the male reproductive system, except that the clitoris does not contain the urethra and plays no role in urination.
It contains thousands of nerve endings that make it an extremely sensitive organ”
“access to the child will only be allowed when she’s considered to be old enough to be able to deal with it”
What a fantasy world these intellectual morons live in. lt might be the case with certain hindu’s, but as we know, moslims like to imitate their pedo prophet – so, rape of children [even babies] is common practice in lslam.
Jon Sobieski says
Greer is offensive to me. For her not to be concerned about sexual abuse of children – the mother in law will make sure she isn’t sexually abused, that is insane.
Jeanette says
They remain deliberately ignorant, as it is all too easy to become informed.
Truth has absolutely no value to liberals or Muslims.
bipedant says
That loudmouthed f’wit has publically shown herself to be a fools fool on repeated occasions.
Why the hell they keep inviting this reptile on discussion panels bewilders me.
Her self-proclaimed penchant for under-aged boys decades ago turned vast numbers against her and those numbers have only increased since. She may of had something interesting to say forty years or so ago. But the only thing that comes out of her mouth these days is one of her feet. She is the epitome of the old dictum ” Better to of kept silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt”
miriamrove says
I just looked her up. She is a major second wave feminist. Not sure what it means but it explains it all. m
Ashley says
I just looked her up. She is a major second wave feminist. Not sure what it means but it explains it all. m
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It means she lives alone with 500 cats pissing and shitting up the joint.
Beyondculturewars says
It means she is more aligned with the far left and islamists than American women and western civilization.
overman says
Here is the video of her saying these things. The guy on her left brillianty slaps her down. The uploader also makes some insightful remarks about feminism too.
JIMJFOX says
Greer is an embarrassment to Australia and the world. She is 100% ignorant of Islamic theology- doesn’t know Ho-Ham-Head ‘married ” Aisha at 6 years old and ‘consummated’ it at her first menstruation, age 9.
All proudly substantiated in Islam’s holy books.
Honestly, Australian Cultural Attache Sir Les Patterson is both better looking and far more intellectual than this haggard imbecile.
JIMJFOX says
MO-HAM-HEAD…
Sir Les– banned now, un-PC.
https://youtu.be/nULFMp4jKBo
JawsV says
Germaine Greer is an idiot.
JIMJFOX says
Who wouldn’t know a Strawman fallacy from a labia majora!
Carolyne says
Germaine is not germane.
Keys says
Ha ha …..
She’s the main germ that multiplied.
Jayell says
Ms. Greer has always been known to have her opinions (she lets us know them!) but I’m not sure that consistency and intellectual integrity are always quite her strong points. For example, in her younger and more attractive days, she was dead against the idea of females being sex-objects since she was convinced that young women (like her) were viewed that way and no doubt the thought of being leered at be dirty old men was repulsive. (Strangely though promotional photos of her from around that time seemed to play that card, but maybe provocative short skirts and makeup etc. were just the fashion at the time?). But more recently I seem to remember an interview about a book that she published that featured (if I’ve got this quote right) ‘beautiful young men’, including (I presume) pages of photos of said persons of the male gender that perchance Ms.Greer might herself have liked to leer – SORRY! – look at. Bearing in mind her more youthful pronouncements, an English saying about ‘pots’ and ‘kettles’ comes to mind. I would also presume that her pronouncements on matters islamic have similar value.
Jim Austin says
Feminism is leftist bait and switch.
The bait is women’s rights, equality, safety, all righteous goals, compelling enough to command the support of all honest and intelligent persons, with opposition largely confined to the ignorant, the bigoted, the malevolent, the incredibly stupid.
Then the left switches 180 degrees to support the exact opposite. They ally themselves with a religious faction that legitimizes and validates abuse and oppression of women, where the areas they dominate are characterized by female genital mutilations, honor killings, child marriages and murder of assertive women. The left ends up defending and supporting, as in, aiding and abetting, the worst misogynist faction ever to infest this planet.
mitch abramon says
It’s SO sad when this “expert” ignores the Koranic injunction: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
On FGM:
They all fail to explain the practical benefit to the sexual appetites of Muslim men, often 30-40 years senior to the girl they are likely take as a 2nd, 3rd and/or 4th wives. In addition to the clitorectomy (which chops up that organ so it can no longer provide pleasure), the lips of the labia are 90% sewn up, leaving a tiny opening allowing for urination and menstruation. The skin of the sewn-up labia knits together so, for example, a 60 year-old can split his child/virgin “bride” open on their wedding night with a very “tight” entrance. Mnay children have bled to death (reported on in Jihadwatch) in their marriage bed on their wedding night. This despicable situation has to be brought to light, no longer kept hidden, as this surprising “expert” fails to mention.
Marg says
Too true. How that stupid woman can think that some women having elective surgery under anaesthetic to enhance their sex life can be the same as tiny girls having all external genitals chopped off by the local butcher so they can never have any sexual pleasure ever in their lives so they won’t stray from their husbands, shows Greer’s complete ignorance and irrelevance. You are the only one who told it like it is. Thank you. I try to spell this out every opportunity I get these days. There was an Aussie dr in South Africa who was flat out doing perineal repairs on mutilated women who split apart after childbirth and who were rejected by their village and their husband and families as unclean, and cast out. I think the elderly couple were the ones taken hostage last year. Don’t know what happened to them.
mitch abramson says
I am sending the attached short speech from Winston Churchill, delivered by him in 1899 when he was a young soldier and
journalist. It probably sets out the current views of many (On ISLAM) but expressed in the wonderful Churchillian turn of phrase and use of the English language, of which he was a past master. Sir Winston Churchill was, without doubt, one of the greatest men of the late 19th and 20th centuries.
He was a brave young soldier, a brilliant journalist, an extraordinary politician and statesman, a great war leader and Prime Minister, to whom the Western world must be forever in his debt. He was a prophet in his own time; He died on 24 January 1965, at the grand old age of 90 and, after a lifetime of service to his country, was accorded a State funeral.
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
* No wonder Obama sent the bust of Churchill back to Great Britain
gravenimage says
Good stuff. Everyone should read Churchill on Islam.
Ren says
She looks as dumb as her words.
Carlos Danger says
What a sick old witch!
What standing does she have to determine what is “Islamic” or not.
People are what they do, and if hajjis do something, it is “Islamic”
Troybeam says
This woman needs to shut her mouth, comparing a woman who goes in for a surgery to reduce her libia is far different than a child being damaged all her life. The adult woman is making a choice to alter what genetics has given her whereas the child has no say and lives with the damage done her entire life time.
There is no comparison in the world that justifies the brutal act of FGM.
Dry Academy says
More proof that Leftist ideology is and always has been about one thing and one thing only- the complete destruction of the European race. They only scream about “injustice” and “oppression” when they can blame it on Whites. When it is committed by non-Europeans they defend it zealously. They never really believed in “feminism” or “equality” or “gay rights”. All just a smokescreen. Genocide is their goal, and Islam is the best tool they have to enact it at the moment. If a new, better tool emerged, they would drop Islam and move on to shilling for the new tool, whatever it might be.
Germaine Greer and her ilk are spiritually diseased black-hearted psychopaths who are the human servants of the powers of Darkness.
Sarah says
Wow, this whole topic burns me the most. I am an Australian female in my mid 30s. I was raised on the ideas of Greer. Her beliefs formulated so much of what I had come to strongly believe represented women in Western culture, feminism – and my general place within all of it I used to admire this woman more than anyone. I freaking loved her for being strong, proud and independent and fighting tooth and nail for women’s rights and for gender equality.
But along the way, Greer changed. Note how her beliefs have slowly morphed from ‘feminism means the rights of women to be equal to men across all levels of Western culture and society’ to ‘women are superior to men in many, many ways, women are owed for the oppression of the past and men today as a gender as a whole, must pay the consequences of the actions of many men (not all, but many) from bygone eras, years past, decades past, centuries past’.
And then in time, that evolved as well – and she allowed the Left ideology, the cult of Progressive politics to become entwined with feminism. In fairness, its not just Greer – its the same evolution for many feminists alive and kicking today. The suffragettes would be sickened, infuriated and heartbroken to see what has happened to their legacy.
Now we have this bizarre new form of feminism that is heavily wrapped up in the Left (apparently you cannot be a Conservative and also be a feminist?) and thanks to that ridiculous amalgamation, now we see feminism protecting and defending ISLAM.
Honestly. I shake my head. What SENSIBLE, RATIONAL,LOGICAL human being can equate Islam with feminism as sharing similar goals and ideals? Hell – its not like Islam even equates it!!! Go ask any Imam – they’re not preaching the sisterhood! You hear from random filthy idiots like that Yassmin Abdel-Magied who works for the ABC in Australia (the same broadcaster who presents Q&A) who rants and raves about ‘Islam being the MOST feminist religion’ along with the usual anti-semitism and vile racism and bigotry that are the norm for Muslim’s to vomit forth.
I see Clementine Ford, another Australian feminist – hurriedly jacking herself onto the Islam train, lest she left behind and made unimportant and now she posts comments supporting that Yassmin creature and others like her. Defending the Hijab and all the myriad filthy practices that Islam demands and supports.
I have always considered myself a proud feminist. I am a very convinced Atheist. I swing in my voting, but I tend to vote Conservative simply because I hate identity politics and the Left has become consumed by them – and these days, the Conservative’s tend to announce policies that I seem to support, despite being an atheist, despite my feminism, despite my support for socialized welfare and healthcare and education policies. I’m a bizarre Conservative – but its what I am. Because the Left long ago, drove me, and those like me, away.
I have recently stepped away though, from labeling myself a proud Feminist. I will always support and fight for gender equality. I will always stand for men and women to be treated fairly and equally under the law. But that’s not what Feminism is anymore. I don’t know what to call myself nowadays. I feel very adrift – I feel abandoned by a cause that I have vehemently supported for most of my life. Its lonely. And its sad. So sad.
Sorry for the stupidly long post. But I wanted to get my thoughts down on this. There are so many women like me – women who want gender equality for ALL, fair rights and equal treatment. Yet if we use the word Feminist as a title, we’re lumped in to this group with these obscene extremist nutcases.
Germaine Greer, Clementine Ford – and every other ‘Feminist’ like them – they are traitors. Traitors to the female gender. Traitors to men and women deserving of equal rights and fair treatment everywhere. And don’t get me started on Linda Sarsour. That evil piece of vile excrement is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I would not hand that creature a bucket of water if she were rolling in the gutter in front of me, on fire. She is pure poison to the world.
Boston Tea Party says
Nice post, Sarah. Although I am a Christian and a decade or so older than you, my political trajectory has been somewhat similar to yours. I was an ardent leftist in my college years, but now am conservative. But really, in both incarnations I would say I’ve largely been a consistent Classical Liberal–I believe in free speech, free artistic expression, the marketplace of ideas, the empowerment of women and minorities, freedom of conscience, etc. Although my internal outlook has changed in some areas, to a large degree the left “left me.” In my opinion, multiculturalism (which is really cultural and moral relativism) has poisoned ALL of Western civilization, certainly including the political left. In the 1960’s, I believe most feminists and leftists would have stood with liberal Muslim women who wanted to shed the veil and step out from extreme patriarchal oppression of traditional Islam. Now most on the left celebrate women wearing the hijab.
When I was a leftist in my early 20’s, I scoffed at the idea that leftists hated western civilization, but now I simply can’t deny it. The evidence is overwhelming. I know not all leftists hate the West—I know I didn’t, and many of my friends didn’t at the time–but large swaths of the left in the West certainly do now.
Sarah says
Thank-you very much 🙂
I agree with you, with every word you have written,
I find it unbelievable that in today’s day and age, I can stand for pretty much ALL the things that the Left used to stand for – but I am considered (by myself and anyone else who hears my views on topics like present-day feminism, Islam, multiculturalism etc) as a Conservative.
The boundaries have shifted – incredibly so – yet no-one official, from the Left or the Right for that matter, have made a single announcement on the radical changes within the political spectrum.
I would imagine that Leftist’s today who hate the West – probably would argue til their last breath that they do not hate the West- and believe it. But their self loathing, self-applied guilt and shame, their inherent bigotry and amusingly, racism (!?) towards the West and Caucasian’s in general all boil down to an outcome which is nothing more than hatred for the culture they were born into and raised within. The culture that has given them the rights and freedoms to have those opinions – and the very same culture that tens of millions of others from around the planet are desperate to come and live within.
The mind boggles over it all.
Beyondculturewars says
I just found a wonderful Ken Burns film called, Not for Ourselves Alone.
The women’s movement of 1848-1920 should NOT be called the first wave of feminism.
In the 60s – 70s,once the movement was labeled feminism, by Greer, Freidan, Steinam, etc, they were free to hide their far left sentiments and align the ‘movement’ with the SDS and far left demoralization of America.
Never equate Cady Stanton and Anthony with them. You were hoodwinked.
Boston Tea Party says
You’re exactly right, Sarah.
It’s funny, after the fall of the Qing dynasty, around the year 1900, China was weak and exploited by foreign powers, and the Chinese were confused and lacking confidence in their own culture–they were called “the sick man of Asia.” Now, it’s the West who is the “sick man” of the world.
gravenimage says
Sarah wrote:
Note how her beliefs have slowly morphed from ‘feminism means the rights of women to be equal to men across all levels of Western culture and society’ to ‘women are superior to men in many, many ways, women are owed for the oppression of the past and men today as a gender as a whole, must pay the consequences of the actions of many men (not all, but many) from bygone eras, years past, decades past, centuries past’.
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Exactly–I will fight for equality–but this bizarre reverse supremacy is just wrong.
And now Greer and her ilk are willing to actually turn on girls and women if she can continue to stick it to Western men. Just sick.
shoehorn says
So this village idiot says FGM has nothing to do with Islam, and GM is no big deal anyway?
abad says
Germaine Greer would look better in a burka
Wellington says
That was funny——and true.
And she is so deserving of such accurate ridicule. So very deserving.
No rhetorical quarter for a person like this. None.
epistemology says
Germaine Greer published her book “The female Eunuch” in 1970, the title is self-explanatory she wanted to enlighten her female comrades how they were sexually unsatisfied, neglected and what have you. Today she says that the oppression of female sexuality has nothing to do with Islam and even justifies child marriage. What I love about these modern day feminists is their coherence, Greer is moronic to the power of n… You can replace n by any number over 10.
Take good care my friend all the best to you and yours
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John A. Marre says
Feminism is the ugly woman’s way of getting back at men for all the rejection.
RodSerling says
“What is behind this odd calculus is a mystery, but there is no doubt that in the Leftist hierarchy of pet causes, the defense of Islam today overrides everything else.” –Robert
One of the reasons has got to be the mainstream left’s political alliances with Muslims throughout most Western countries. The left-wing parties increasingly depend on and benefit from Muslim voters, who are a small percentage but large enough (and growing) to weigh in as decisive in elections. Another reason is the hardcore Left’s racist obsession against white people and its ultimate goal of destroying Western civilization–a goal that is shared with Islam. I don’t see the Left catering to or allying with Hindus or Buddhists, for example. While the Left is definitely opposed to Christianity and Judaism, it seems to oppose Hindus and Buddhists. This is perhaps because Hindus and Buddhists, at least nowadays, are not hostile toward the West and therefore are (at best) of no use to the Left. Also, Hindus and Buddhists have found themselves, like all non-Muslim religious groups, in conflicts with Muslims. So we see the Left taking the side of their political ally in these conflicts.
Boston Tea Party says
Very astute observations, RodSerling. I don’t think that I quite grasped the fact that the Left was largely ambivalent towards Hindus and Buddhists, but you’re right—because they’re aren’t vehemently anti-Western. the left has little use for them.
berserker says
Again why tell us? Convince those carrying out the practice that it has nothing to do with Islam. Then get back to us.
wilmot mather says
The Prophet – peace be upon him ? —— ya right. Peace be upon a murderer, paedophile & a warmonger but death & misery to the peaceful non-Muslims (” the infidels” ) ?
Halal Bacon says
now I get it, all it takes for one to become a feminist is to “let oneself go” appearance wise – dude looks like she could use some time at the day spa
Wellington says
Proving once again that modern feminism is one of the great idiocies of our time.
And I write this as a man who appreciates real women, women who like men but won’t take any crap from them either. Women who want to be neither superior to men nor inferior to them. “Merely” their equal.
So many cultures, including Islamic culture, produce women who quite willingly subordinate themselves to men. Then there is modern Western feminism, which monumental error wants to, implicitly or explicitly, subordinate WESTERN men to women, though making stupid allowance, seemingly ad nauseam in fact, for non-Western men to put “women in their place,” as Islam surely is wont to do. And fools like Greer actually go along with this particular malevolence and foolhardiness. God knows enough Western feminists do, who actually betray the cause of women while only too ready to exclude and excoriate a Western man like me.
Screw ’em (oh gee, is this sexist?). Oh yes, the Age of Nonsense still marches on, courtesy in part of Western feminism, which regularly demonstrates what a monumental error it has been Like the fool, Greer, featured in this article.
Bottom line and in summation: She in an enabler of more abuse for women. I am not.
Boston Tea Party says
As usual, well said, Wellington.
Wellington says
Thank you, BTP.
epistemology says
Couldn’t agree more, “modern feminism is one of the great idiocies of our time”. No doubt about it. A lot of Western women have the stupid obsession of being oppressed by Western men. Absolutely obsolete.
There has been oppression of women in most civilizations, but the worst oppression ever was and is in Islamic non-civilization. Muzzies never respected women as human beings, Muslim women are child bearers and infidel women are sex slaves. That’s the way it goes.
All the best to you and yours my friend.
gravenimage says
Fine posts, Wellington, Boston Tea Party, and Epistemology.
BLC says
I have often thought that all these groups, like feminists, are just fronts for Communists and Socialists to work from within to destroy Western society. What they tell people doesn’t have to be the truth. They’re not interested in truth. As long as whatever they say leads to the destruction of Western civilization, they’re meeting their goal.
JFKAR says
Why is she wearing that Halloween mask?
Mike says
Obviously, this one is a woman who would benefit from having a “traditional” Islamic husband. It would be educational for her.
Seriously, though, is she really this stupid, or is she being paid?
It’s too stupid to be real for anyone with an IQ over 70.
Laura says
It looks like feminists end up with the faces they deserve, God certainly has a sense of humour!
Steven says
Germaine Greer is nothing new in Australia, as many Australians finds her as a stupidity ratbag for many years.
John A. Marre says
Shows that all leftists really care about is the downfall of Western Civilization. They would be happy to see it replaced by the violent, uncivilized, ignorant totalitarian dictatorship known as Islam.
mortimer says
Germaine Greer: “I PONTIFICATE that it isn’t misogyny WHEN MUSLIMS DO IT.”
Politicianphobia says
Sarah dear, I am an older, God fearing, Canadian woman. My father taught me how to box when I was very young . I modelled for a few years, married young and stayed home with my children. Maybe you changed Germaine Greer is still the same woman. I never worried about being equal to anyone. I always thought she was very insecure and hollow.
Sarah says
Perhaps you’re right 🙂
Perhaps I have always had a mistaken view of her. That would make sense, rather than her turning a 180 on her life’s work.
For me though, its like having so much of what I always believed to be true, as being turned upside down and inside out. As I mentioned, its a lonely place, I do feel genuinely betrayed. Perhaps that IS my own fault.
gravenimage says
I never worried about being equal to anyone.
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That’s because you live in a civilized place where you don’t *have* to worry about being oppressed and abused. I’m sure you would be concerned if you lived in Dar-al-Islam.
gravenimage says
But what Germaine Greer is doing now clearly has *nothing* to do with equality.
Don Foss says
Ignorant tool. Nothing more.
Jeanette says
She is more. She is a deliberate liar who helps the Muslims continue these practices by covering for the Muslims.
That makes her complicit in every mutilation and every death that is caused by mutilation, and in every rape of every small girl by her Mohammed-inspired “husband.”
She is evil.
Beagle says
Western feminists will make useful fourth wives to do the cooking and cleaning around the house for their new Muslim masters and the more favored wives. Or if they are lucky maybe crazy cat lady will still be an option. Muhammad didn’t hate cats as he did dogs. Dogs, being accomplished observers of human behavior, saw through his deceptions.
God Almighty says
Skippy the Kangaroo is smarter than this bitch.
Karen says
The leftist ‘big tent’ strategy is to build a power base by combining forces with numerous groups who are willing to reciprocate with their support. If any of those groups exhibit unsavory behaviors, well, it’s because they are victims. So, the left is a coalition of victims who must never criticized, but rather understood and provided cover. How else could someone poo-poo FGM by comparing it to male circumcision? How else could you be completely neutral and comfortable with child marriage? Because these creeps will scratch your back in return.
Jeanette says
Has this evil monster had the operation that she so glibly defends?
If not, why not?
Karen says
Good question. No doubt she’s thinking that stuff like FGM is just fine for those poor victims of Western capitalism, colonialism, imperialism and islamophobia. If only we could all be as smart as she is.
fido says
I hope Greer’s children/grandchildren get to enjoy the fgm that “isn’t a part of islam”. This head-in-the-sand lying skank ought to have her own clit whacked off!
Gen Jones says
Greer is also in trouble with the left because she is considered a TERF – Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist – because she has says that transwomen don’t share the same experiences as biological women. She’s been no platformed over it too.
solange silverman says
The old bag Greer is irrelevant as much as she is wrong.
denis says
Another kiss ass leftist idiot propping up child marriages and the Religion of Hate and Despair.
gravenimage says
Germaine Greer justifies child marriage, says female genital mutilation is “not Islam”
We see it again and again with feminists: defending Islam trumps their concern for the rights of women, just as we see with gay rights activists such as Theresa Sparks and Chris Stedman that defending Islam trumps their concern for the persecution of gays in Muslim countries…
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Grotesquely inexcusable.
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TONY JONES
But the three things together – genital mutilation, domestic violence, striking your spouse. And considering the background of those women from Hizb-ut Tahrir who put out the video saying that it’s OK for their husbands to strike them, do you think these things are related?
TONY BURKE
Whether they’re related in terms of motivation is an issue for the government to say. They have claimed that they’re not related in terms of motivation. Issues that you go through are not issues that characterise Islam.
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Good for Tony Jones, who appears to have a least a clue about the danger of Islam–along with Derryn Hinch.
Tony Burke–whoever he is–believes that only the *government* is capable of determining motivation. Why is he speaking in public if he doesn’t believe people can be allowed to think for themselves?
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TONY JONES
Germaine Greer, do you accept that?
GERMAINE GREER
No, I don’t, really, because it’s not Islam. And it’s the sort of caricature of Islam that we keep promulgating. But it… All of this is weird. I mean, one of the commonest operations in the United States is reduction of the labia minora. And it costs you $8,000 or something, and it’s carried out massively. Huge, thousands, hundreds of thousands of cases a year.
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This is *insane*. Firstly, no Western labiaplasty *cuts out a woman’s clitoris*.
Secondly, this operation is *elective* in the West–no one is held down screaming and forced to have it. Is Germaine Greer *really* incapable of grasping this elemental difference?
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GERMAINE GREER
The thing you’re assuming is that in child marriage, there will be sexual intercourse. Now, if you actually look at the background to the way in which families marry, say, in village India, it’s not expected that the little girl will be subject to sexual intercourse. That will be controlled by her mother-in-law, probably, and access to the child will only be allowed when she’s considered to be old enough to be able to deal with it.
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How horrific is this, and on how many different levels?
For one thing, the idea that every old man who “marries” a little girl has a mother living with him ready to stop him for raping the girl is absurd.
Then, many women have virtually no power in Muslim households, and would be beaten or worse if they tried to stop their pedophile sons from raping little girls.
And then, we have seen plenty of cases where the rapists mother is *in on it*, helping her sons gain access to little girls or sex slaves. Many survivors of child marriage, in fact, have told stories of being beaten and used as household slaves by their mothers-in-law.
And then, look at the idea that they may be protected until they are “old enough to be able to deal with it”–is that what any civilized person here considers to be a marriage–being raped at 14 by someone they were sold to as an even younger child?
Note that Greer has *no* concept of choice or consent here–let alone love.
This is not a “male chauvinist pig” saying this, but someone who is *supposed to be a feminist*.
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DERRYN HINCH
Like 14.
GERMAINE GREER
And this… Well, that used to be the British age…
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And this last is the very thing that reformers in the West *fought against*.
And even this–where you have to go back quite a way in Western history–was not as a rule nearly as bad. While a 14-year-old is certainly not mature enough to choose a husband, she is apt to have a better sense of what she wants and who she loves than is a pre-pubescent child in a forced marriage, who has no choice at all.
Is this what “feminists” in the West are reduced to defend? Nothing less than an evil abandonment of girls to the very worst savagery.