“It must be nice to live in that kind of world, where you’re just so divorced from the reality of what’s actually happening out there.”
Indeed.
“Hollywood Director: We Can Only Defeat ISIS With Love,” Fox News Insider, April 14, 2017:
After U.S. forces dropped “the mother of all bombs” on an ISIS tunnel complex in Afghanistan, Hollywood director Josh Fox railed against the decision to deploy the military’s largest non-nuclear device, which reportedly killed several dozen ISIS militants.
“Atrocity. Murder. Abomination. When will we learn that only love stops hate, and bombings only create more ISIS,” Fox wrote in a tweet.
“Love your enemy. Don’t create more of them. Teachers, diplomacy, culture and aid helps peace. Bombs don’t,” he added….
Julie Banderas quipped Fox probably thinks we should have taken out Usama bin Laden by hugging, snuggling and spooning him.
“It must be nice to live in that kind of world, where you’re just so divorced from the reality of what’s actually happening out there,” Trish Reagan said.
“I don’t want to live in that world, because I don’t want to live like an idiot,” Dagen McDowell said….
Wayne says
He probably still be spouting that while they are stoning his dumb ass !!!
jihad3tracker says
Hello Wayne — Please permit me to polevault into your comment, with an off topic recommendation guiding readers here on JW to a web blogger posting his thoughts on Robert’s TSU appearance.
https://showmeprogress.com/tag/truman-state-university/
As of now (about 7:20 PM Friday Eastern US) the item is uppermost in the homepage article queue — but search for it if has been superseded by the time you read this.
The blogger, Willykay, is pushing back against a couple of counter-jihad commenters, and one student attending the event chimed in with her reaction.
JUMP IN TO THE RESPONDENT STREAM WHEN A SPARE FEW MINUTES APPEAR. So far, the tone is civil — and I hope with such decorum to sustain a lengthy back-and-forth of remarks.
But our resident scholars, like Mortimer and oodles of others, will certainly want to be specific with citations from the Qur’an and Sunna. Willykay is a “cherry picked and thus discredited” sort of fellow, who admits that he has never looked at the essential Muslim sources.
We might recommended that he actually take such a logical step — knowing what one is talking about, in other words — before impugning research by those who DO consult basic texts.
mortimer says
MESSAGE FOR Josh Fox: ISLAM HAS AN ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE OF HATE CALLED ‘AL BARAA’.
Muslims who do not HATE KAFIRS ‘for the sake of Allah’ will go to hell. If KAFIRS are nice and loving MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. All KAFIRS are to be HATED. There is no exception, Mr. Fox. Your conduct might be SAINTLY, but Muslims must HATE YOU if you are not a Muslim.
Jeanette says
And, Mr. Fox, if you are complicit in the murders of innocents by supporting murderous and hateful Muslims, then you aren’t saintly.
ECAW says
Malik ( btw your namesake is the archangel in charge of admissions to Jahannam, I believe) – I’ve often wondered how Muslim charities which give to non-Muslims get around the express instruction in Islamic law, derived from Mohammed’s teachings, that zakat must never go to infidels. Is it only voluntary donations which go to infidels or are they flouting Mohammed’s instructions?
gravenimage says
Malik wrote:
You are absolutely wrong on this.
You assume all of Islam agrees and teaches the same doctrines and schools of thought.
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There is not a single major school of Islamic jurisprudence that rejects violent Jihad, and Malik is dishonest to suggest that there is.
More:
Your (sic) sneaky about wrapping up good productive law abiding people as partners with terrorist (sic) with proof at all.
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Islam demands support for Jihad–either directly or through other support such as Zakat. If there are individual Mohammedans who do not do that, then they are lax Muslims.
In fact, most Muslims in the West want to see the imposition of brutal Shari’ah here–so just what laws is he referring to?
More:
Between raising a family and running a business, paying taxes and going to the dentist I don’t sit around and plan a war with people on the street. You all are not that special.
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If only all Muslims thought like this–but they do not. How does Malik explain the 30,565 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11, all over the world, if Muslims are all too busy to murder us?
More:
What you and people like you don’t dare tell people is the Christian-Muslim partnership on global relief programs for all humans. What you dare not tell is the daily outreach for homeless youth of all backgrounds.
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Even if this were widespread–and it *is not*, since “Zakat” in Islam is more about spreading Islam, including funding violent Jihad, than it is about actual charity–this would still in no way cancel the fact that pious Muslims are regularly slaughtering us in the streets.
Here is a horrifyingly long list of Islamic charities accused of having ties to terrorism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_charities_accused_of_ties_to_terrorism
More:
Yes Muslims kill in the name of Islam. I wish they didn’t.
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If Malik is being honest here, why doesn’t he take this up with his own coreligionists, instead of slinging apologia at the good folks here at Jihad Watch?
More:
But putting all of us in the same category is disgusting. Innocents die daily. This is not a game.
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Who is putting all Muslims in the same category? No one says that all Muslims are currently waging violent Jihad. For one thing, it is not generally considered Fard Ayn at this time. In other words, it is enough if *some* of the Ummah is waging Jihad.
But will Malki do anything to oppose his coreligionists from waging violent Jihad against us? Don’t count on it…
And note Malik’s vague reference to “innocents”. Does he actually consider any of us “filthy Kuffar” to be innocent? Not if he is a pious Muslim, he doesn’t.
Michael says
as always, gravenimage, thank you. brilliant response. and thank you for the list of charities. I’ve gone to this, will read it, bookmark it, and keep it as reference and reminder.
ECAW says
Thanks for that link J3T. Although the post says there are 5 comments I see only 2. Perhaps the champion of free speech has zapped the others. I wonder if he will allow ours.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO AGAIN ECAW — I checked Willykay’s blog about 15 minutes ago (12:18 PM Eastern US). He deleted some comments — but because I have supernatural powers derived from 300 years of being a warlock, I captured them.
AND YOU MADE IT IN THERE SUCCESSFULLY. CONGRATULATIONS.
Let me strongly recommend that anyone who writes a comment or reply IMMEDIATELY right click on the mouse, copy it in the several seconds when “awaiting moderation” appears. Then, go to your email and use the new message feature to paste it into the body text portion of the email template.
BUT DO NOT SPECIFY A RECIPIENT — Omitting that should put it in your “Draft” category, so you can come back to it if Willykay removes it. You can then send it here to JW, and we can read it to get an indicator of what he considers too awful to be posted on that blog.
Some obligations for me currently until later today, however I will copy and paste the removed comments referred to by me in the first paragraph above —into a post by you or others. If the comment stream here gets too long, I might jump on a newer item by Robert — apologizing for being off-topic.
Gen Jones says
J3T: that blog is hilarious in claiming to be open minded yet repeating the same uneducated talking points. It says there are 5 comments, but only 2 are visible. Does the blogger actually think he can censor his comments on a post about free speech without being a hypocrite.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO TO ECAW AND GEN JONES —
I just woke up (11:00 AM Eastern US) after a very late night, so give me a bit of time to do some chores before I check that guy’s website again.
I will get back to you both here in an hour or two.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO TO BOTH OF YOU AGAIN. Blogger Willykay (that free speech website we are discussing in this thread) apparently got more than he expected in the number and specifics of comments.
As of now (1:33 Eastern US) he keeps changing the ones posted or deleted. Such conduct is pitiful and hilarious simultaneously. It’s anybody’s guess what will be up at his blog by the end of today.
OK — NOW I REALLY HAVE TO BAIL OUT OF POSTING HERE FOR A FEW HOURS. SEE YOU ALL LATER.
jihad3tracker says
THIS IS DIRECTED TO COMMENTER MALIK — AND HIS 11:32 AM POST. (There is no reply button directly under it.)
Malik, you wrote “Yes, Muslims kill in the name of Islam. I wish they didn’t .” So, it would be fair to call you “moderate”, right?
Dr. David Wood made a video about 10 months ago that focuses on exactly your remark. Watch “Three Questions for Moderate Muslims” — under 7 minutes.
Then please get back to us here with YOUR OWN ANSWERS to those questions. I look forward to reading them, and ask your Muslim friends to also post their responses to his questions.
With best regards,
J3T
Carolyne says
If Malik truly lives the way he says he does, he is not a Muslim. He is an apostate–a very dangerous thing for an ex-Muslim to be. According to the Koran, a true Muslim has a right to “Smite his neck.”
gravenimage says
Alas, I think this load from Malik is more likely to be Taqiyya and whitewash of Islam than proof that he is an apostate.
Most apostates are more honest about the violence of Islam.
jihad3tracker says
At around 7:15 PM Eastern US — changed my mind on posting comments removed by Willykay in his free speech. I am going to leave this guy in peace and move on to more important things.
He at least has the integrity to leave my main hotlink for the Saint Louis Post Dispatch coverage of Robert’s (then impending) appearance up.
Here’s hoping every JW reader enjoys a blessed peaceful Easter Sunday. Good night to all ! ! !
gravenimage says
Happy Easter to you, jihad3tracker, and to everyone else here at Jihad Watch who celebrates it as a religious or secular holiday!
JOHNNIEMAC says
He should visit them with a peace offering of cheese and a head to lop off.
maghan says
Yes, a face often reveals a lot. Fox has that stupid goofy look of an Alfred E. Newman. It matches his intelligence level.
Rufolino says
It’s the kind of thing people say smoking weed.
BC says
Well they murder teachers and aid workers. They loathe our culture and want to destroy it, except for electronic devices which are excellent for bombs. As for diplomacy, remember how well diplomacy worked in stopping Hitler? He clearly has not heard of taqqya!
Anne Smith says
Perhaps WW II might not have happened if people had been more loving towards Hitler?
Didn’t this idiot see all the dreadful beheading videos? Perhaps he thought they were brilliant bits of film making.
Seriously, how do people like this daft director manage to get through life? He should be given a ticket to Iraq and told to go and love ISIS – and no need to come back.
Carolyne says
It will take “Love” and a great many bombs.
old white guy says
his level of stupid is indeed suicidal.
Native jo says
He probably would.
mgoldberg says
actually, showing love makes them more vicious, more angry, and determined to enslave, elliminate, and
finish off the affection in front of them. Love doesn’t stop hate. Stopping hate stops it but good, and prevents it from eating up the good, eating up the love.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO SIR (OR MADAM?) —- You are the first commenter posted at that Willykay blog I mention above.
If motivation and time appear during this Easter holiday, please pass the link on to family, friends, clergy, state and federal senators & representatives, TV stations in your city, and household pets who still don’t know that Islam is based on violent subjugation, those mandates coming from Muhammad, brilliantly disguised as the word of God — but in reality derived from the mind of a mentally & emotionally impaired man.
mortimer says
The Koran is a troop motivator.
David says
Liberal love!
mortimer says
Appeasement is not love. Appeasing a SUPREMACIST does not work, because the SUPREMACIST never has enough power of ‘others’. The ultimate power of a supremacist is genocide and the ability to rewrite history so that people you hate are completely forgotten.
gravenimage says
I think David is being sarcastic here.
JawsV says
Did this character graduate from high school?
marina says
You delusional idiot! Why don’t you volunteer to spend a month in ISIS territory and see if your hugging and loving has any effect on these barbarians.
Marty says
This fool only makes movies. The real worry has to do with useful idiots who are teaching in high schools and college about the wonderful benefits the islamic death cult brings.
scott camillo says
was this guy born stupid?
WestDivide says
Josh Fox is the next ambassador to ISIS…
anthony says
Agreed and let’s make it a rule for those who say that they can defeat isis with love and lotta hugging that they should be made ambassadors to isis and see if it works.
Lioness says
“Have you hugged a jihadist today?” I can just see the love pouring back from ISIS in a form of beheading.
Norger says
It’s a bit of naïveté and arrogance at the same time. It’s the assumption that everyone–even a culture that completely rejects our values and our way of life–will respond with reciprocity if exposed to enough Western culture and “loving kindness.” I think Allen West said it very well: “One-sided tolerance is cultural suicide.”
gravenimage says
Great quote from Allen West.
mousey says
apparently lots of swedes think the same as we see the lovefest in stockholm in which the mayor of Stockholm told the crowd that terrorism would be defeated with kindness and openness.
Karen says
When someone says something a liberal doesn’t like, one generally sees the opposite of love. Instead, there is retaliation, vicious name calling, and attacks on character and finances. But certainly not love.
One would think that Josh Fox is in a select group of evolved, enlightened beings while the rest of us are cheering for more bombs. Spare me the condescension.
Lucky Josh Fox is able to make self serving statements and look down his nose while living in a land with no ISIS gun to his head. Not yet anyway.
somehistory says
I agree with your opening statement…
they are vicious when someone who tells the truth, speaks.
And he lives in a “fools paradise,” where he can be a fool and no one kills him for it. Until the death cult shows up for their group *hug.*
no_one says
The ISIS thugs and most muzzies hate what we call love. If love could heal hate than devils would turn back to angels.
gravenimage says
Very true.
mousey says
and sometmes they do no one.
no_one says
In a sense hate was defeated with unconditional love. This is what is celebrated today, Good Friday. God love even satan, but satan doesn’t care. He still wants to be God. Muzzies/Lefties/faminazi/RINO are deeply confused creatures.
Barry says
…dang, another one to add to my ever-growing list that fuels my ‘moronophobia’ …. my diagnosed irrational fear of AND irrational dislike of morons ..(along side my islamophobia)…and yes, I freely and publicly admit I truly am a prejudice person……you see, I like oxymoron’s much, much more than regular morons…..like this ‘hollywood director, who’s so full of wisdom and sound, thoughtful critique….But wait!!! He’s shown me the ways of my feeble, troll-like thinking, so I guess I must start searching for my inner liberal, mindless, heartless idiot-self, so that I can start hugging the glorious soldiers of ISIS who enslave little girls as sex slaves, murder, rob, rape and terrorize all kaifrs…Thank you Hollywood director….I await with baited anticipation for your next great cinematic gem….hope you get an oscar…..
David says
ISIS takes their “love” where they find it, and with whomever suits their fancy. No roses and chocolates involved.
That fruitcake director needs to be directed to the nearest dose of islamic reality.
nicu says
Buddha said that , too – but Monks in Myanmar must fight Muslims with guns these days 🙁
No Fear says
Hitler was defeated by the Allies sending love letters and bouquets to him.
Lilythewise says
Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Too funny!
mortimer says
BUT ISLAM HAS A DOCTRINE OF HATE CALLED ‘AL BARAA’ = Apartheid from Kafirs
Al Bughoud = Hatred of Kafirs for the sake of Allah, or Al Mu’adaat, this is the opposite of Al Muwalaat, it is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
Allah ordered us to have Baraa, from the kuffar and from kufr and shirk.
mortimer says
Muslims HATE agnostics and atheists MORE than Jews and Christians.
gravenimage says
Hollywood director: “Only love stops hate, and bombings only create more ISIS”
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Yeah–that’s how we stopped Hitler and Tojo–with love…sarc/off
More:
“Atrocity. Murder. Abomination. When will we learn that only love stops hate, and bombings only create more ISIS,” Fox wrote in a tweet.
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So–bombing ISIS is “Atrocity. Murder. Abomination.”–does Fox have any real problems with the horrors of ISIS itself; using Infidel girls as sex slaves, stoning women to death, crucifying boys who didn’t observe Ramadan, and committing genocide against unbelievers? Or does he just vaguely consider them “haters”?
Michael says
gravenimage, if you asked him that question, I wouldn’t be surprised if he said that it’s the West’s fault for causing ISIS, and would hesitate to blame ISIS; or would do so, with the caveat that they wouldn’t be so brutal if we were more … loving.
Jeanette says
He might say that all of those things were the famous false flags we keep hearing about – done by the West to make ISIS look bad.
gravenimage says
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear any of that bs, Michael and Jeanette.
Westman says
Will someone please drop Josh Fox into North Korea where he can either defuse the situation by smothering Kim Jong Un with his love or, if failing, perhaps, discover reality in front of an anti-aircraft cannon just before being rescued?
1400 years of aggression by Islam and the solution is Josh Fox “love”; 3 generations of North Korean dictators and even Fox knows that love is not the answer.
The lie that the literal meaning of the Quran’s horrific verses must be taken in some new context isn’t cutting it anymore among US citizens as they learn more about Islam’s history. Islam has no future of respect or trust in the West unless it has a reformation, similar to Luther’s, in which Western Muslims declare an official ideological break with Shariah and stop any aggression toward the West – and that means integration.
Europe is the test tube. Whatever happens there, integration or war, will happen while the US still has time to consider a change in policy. So far, the fruits of Islam in Europe are more like the Rafflesia arnoldii flower. Josh Fox should take a deep whiff of the Ideology of Islam before spouting future ignorance.
Terry Gain says
Josh Fox should go to Saudi Arabia or Iran and tell them they should love gays and Jews. He should get his affairs in order before he goes.
Michael says
lol … indeed, Terry. That’s very good!
somehistory says
I agree with Dagen. I would not wish to live in the mental and spiritual darkness inhabited by him and his ilk.
Knowledge is power. He has none.
I hate war. But these molsims are not *in the mood for love.* They don’t want love, nor do they appreciate it when it is freely given. They worship satan and he is full of anger and hate. They are like the god they worship.
gravenimage says
Here are some of the stupid movies this director has made: “How to Let Go of the World and Love All The Things Climate Can’t Change”, which speaks for itself; “Gasland” and “Gasland pt 2”, which wants to shut down any drilling for oil in the US; and “Memorial Day”, which is against any attempts at defending against Jihad. What a tool…
Shmooviyet says
That list of titles and descriptions sounds as if Josh is trying to gain the admiration of Michael Moore, no doubt a personal hero of his.
gravenimage says
🙂
Peterson says
Why don’t he go to Afghanistan on a love mission. A stupid American couple took Afghanistan as their tourist destination. They are still under ISIS captivity and it is wise to look at their skinny photograph before doing any such adventures.
Aman says
In the 13th century, Indians used to think like that and then they were enslaved/killed/ converted. Now you know the condition of present day India. Pakistan and Bangladesh are filled by those converted cowards.
Bernie says
This Hollywood numbnuts needs to catch the peace train back to the 60″s.
Michael says
Only a mother’s love stops hate.
The Mother of All Bombs.
Lioness says
That’s a good one.
Lawrence says
Revealing that this moron Fox if famous for his documentaries criticizing fracking. ‘Gasland’ notably. In other words, he knows nothing about fracking and nothing about environmentalism, frothing about fracking is pseudo-environmentalism. If he had a real concern for environmentalism, he would be raging against human overpopulation, deforestation etc. Then again, none of these liberals care about that, that’s real environmentalism, not PC baloney masquerading as environmentalism. The lies of the Left could fill a garbage dump the size of the moon. Easy.
Actually Fox is right. The Nazis were defeated by Allied bombers dropping pamphlets calling for the Waffen SS and German army to love one another, the Jews and gypsies. The Nazis realized the error of their ways, and dropped their arms and abandoned their posts and machine gun nests and tanks and fighters and cried tears of joy at realizing how wrong they had been supporting Hitler. They ran to Allied positions sans their guns and tanks and embraced the Allied soldiers and airmen, with wreaths of flowers. It’s well documented. I saw it all in an ayuhuasca vision I had up in Baja the other week.
Michael says
Lawrence, I just wanted to thank you for correcting me on how WWII ended. I had no idea! I’ve been reading the wrong books all this time!
Pamphlets … I’ll be damned. That’s incredible.
Frank Courtney says
Pamphlet dropping is a great idea. Stick them to the sides of MOABs like WWIi airmen chalked messages to the Nazis on their bombs.
james.mich says
That is why Gandhi’s calls for the Jews not to resist Hitler, and for the British Army not to fight him, were very dangerous foolishness. Judge for yourselves: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/gandhi-on-jews-part-2-nazis-and-cowardice/ Gandhi appears to be the source of a good deal of the more batty nonsense in US liberalism.
Gandhi does not deserve the adulation he receives – not given that depth of self-delusion. Hitler had to be resisted by force – and so does ISIS. This is deplorable, but it is also a fact. ISIS needs to be bombed into oblivion, and Salafism and Wahhabism need to be outlawed – ideally, all Islam would be outlawed, but, one step at a time.
Michael says
James.Mich, thanks for that link. I look forward to reading that.
Carolyne says
I agree that Gandhi does not deserve the adulation he receives. Among other things, he slept between two teen-age girls every night. To keep him warm, he said. One would think he was a Muslim.
Michael says
Carolyne, quite interested to learn more about this. Thanks for the comments and the link, James.Mich.
I like having previously held notions blown apart here and there. Usually things re-assemble in ways that are closer to whatever the truth might have been, or is.
gravenimage says
Exactly, James.
Monty says
Another inane comment from a Hollywood figure. It should not surprise anyone that a system devoted to fantasy should become a victim of its own unreality. Does being in the movie industry suddenly impart insight and wisdom that ordinary mortals cannot know? I don’t think so. At least the hippie movement grew out of its adolescent wishful thinking. I doubt that Hollywood ever will. The Peace Train was derailed in 1939 and has never got back on the tracks.
Coach Martin says
If bombings create ISIS then what does terror create?
medaber_emet says
God My hate for these monkeis and their usefull ididots is growing by the day
i am asking when will America realise that they should ban islam
and let all their muslims the option to leave islam or leave america
Jeanette says
No option – just leave.
Leaving Islam can be faked.
Ocean-blue says
Brute animal understand only force. You have to teach them that they are not your’ s master but you are their ‘s master. Islam is a savage ideology and all Muslims who follow a savage book quran and worship a murderous prophet Mohammad are guilty, evil and like brute animal. They deserve beating by MOAB
Jeanette says
Even the white rhinos protected by guards become affectionate toward the guards.
Muslims are not at that level.
So let’s compare them to monsters, rather than to innocent animals!
chris says
Indeed, In Europe we have witnessed first hand how love stops hate. By opening our borders to these people and shovelling more money to them than our own taxpayers get, we have been richly rewarded with their gratitude of mass rapes, murder, and vehicle jihad.
And we have watched how they look at the parcels of food and clothing donated by our taxpayers to these people rather than those in our own countries who desperately need help. We have also seen them throwing these items onto the floor like trash in their gratitude for the love that our people have shown them, because no matter what they are given free, it is never enough nor is it ever good enough
james.mich says
We have behaved to them in ways that are loving – many Christians have shown them much kindness. We have even diluted our religion and culture, all so as to fit in with their least desire. They do, often with impunity, things that get our own people terms in prison.
And what is their way of saying thanks ? They:
bomb our trains
rape our wives and daughters and old women
defecate in, and vandalise, our churches
drive into our people
take and torture our people
bomb our schools
rejoice in their thousands at the crimes committed against our people
murder our clergy
convert to jihadism Muslims already here
preach threats and murder and sedition against our nations and people
promise further violence.
Is this how decent, God-fearing, Abrahamic people behave ? Abraham prayed for Sodom to be spared destruction – Muslims pray for the destruction of those who show to them the hospitality that Abraham showed his guests. These people are so unlike Abraham whom they falsely call their father that it’s not even funny. They are of their true father, the devil, as their deeds show.
somehistory says
++
satan the devil is a liar and a murderer and they copy all of his actions and attitudes. They will be made to pay the same price he pays.
gravenimage says
Muslims consider love and kindness nothing but weakness.
nicholas tesdorf says
Only the conversion of Muslims to Christianity is a sure-fire solution to the problem of Jihad. There is no Jihad in Christianity but it is warned of.
John 16:2
For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God.
gravenimage says
There are also Muslim apostates who are now atheists. They are not murdering people, either.
Dacritic says
Education also prevents terrorism. Education about what real Islam teaches.
gravenimage says
Most Muslims know that their creed teaches them terrorism. That is why they are waging it.
Frank Courtney says
The prospect of living in a fantasy world, divorced from reality, is what attracts these types to film making. Hollywood is not called Tinsel Town for nothing. This boy-man has tinsel for brains. The annoying part is that he, and others like him, expect to be taken seriously.
vladkoval says
http://www.elwatannews.com/news/details/1009891
06-03-2016 Egypt
On the picture you can see a group of Egyptian Copts holding posters with texts: “We want Civil Code allowing Marriage and Divorce, far from control of the Church” and “Current Code is inciting adultery”.
They address their demands not to “evil muslims”, but to the church clergy, responsible for shaping civil codes for Copts in Egypt. This is important for them, because in a totalitarian state (no matter muslim one or orthodox or catholic – you will not go far without documents).
According to current laws – a Coptic wife and a Coptic husband are not allowed to register divorce by their will. Unfortunately somitimes love between husb. and wife disappears, and they really need to divorce – and register the divorce!
But since their religious leaders prohibit it, they have to imitate “being caught in adultery” so that to get the official divorce. Or even converting to Islam, after wich the divorce finally can be registered.
I wonder, when Robert Spencer starts preaching Freedom, Equality, Civil Rights and Common Sense to Middle Eastern Catholics and Orthodox Bigots of clergy?
???
vladkoval says
And yes – the bigotry of the so called “christians of Middle East” – that’s what creates ISIS.
Islam in fact is justified by their bigotry.
Bill W. says
10 percent of Egpt. is Christian they cannot hold government jobs there churches are being bombed they have no power in who rules them. They been killed, raped ,marginized for the last 1400 years in a Dhimmitude status, What does the divorce law of the church have to do with anything?If they are a good Moslems they could just beat there wife to a pulp say I divorce you three times and marry 4 other woman or better yet get a dozen girls of the right hand (non Moslems ) to rape at will.
vladkoval says
The things you mentioned – “killed, raped, marginized” – happened (and are being happened) while the Middle Eastern “christian leaders” pacting with muslims and remaining stubborn in their heresy.
They themselves are responsible for appearing of the movement called “Islam”.
Oh, I forgot to mention one more thing – even if divorce happened – Copts are not allowed to have another marriage!
You people probably have no clue what it means. Life without registering all aspecs of life by official papers – is unthinkable in a totalitarian state.
All that creates the image of Christians as brainless morons, comparing with which all absurdities of Islam are not so absurd.
Coptic (and others) clergy is interested in Muslim State, they love it, because Muslim State allows them to impose their heresy on their “flock” of which they take advantage through muslims.
vladkoval says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_responses_to_the_Egyptian_Revolution_of_2011
…. During his weekly sermon Pope Shenouda III (kind of “Roman Pope” of Egypt in terms of authority) asked his followers to be “calm” for the second day of demonstrations during his weekly sermon on 31 January, he expressed support for Mubarak (!!!) in an interview with Egyptian state television
As we can see, the clergy are happy with Dhimmitude. They will be always against any secular steps, which may lead to the loss of their influence through muslims.
Bill W. says
Who runs the state, who makes the rules ,who makes life a living hell in most of the middle east today? Yes I am sure the Christian Clergy sit down govt. and agree on what church should be bombed today.Yes Christian leaders are packing with muslims like Jews packing with Hitler .Yes Christians love being killed ,like Jews ,every other person on earth that is not moslem (or the right kind of moslem ?). yes its never Islams fault .
vladkoval says
http://www.copts-united.com/Article.php?I=2598&A=250728
This is the website of major Coptic organization “Copts United”.
The article in Arabic is about different issues of Copts including divorce.
You can understand two last paragraphs using Google translation:
…But the Coptic civil society is all interested in the disappearance of a girl with a young man, or in the battle of the great Rayyan, and the clergy only stops in the case of divorce and adultery. Coptic leaders, Coptic MPs and young activists focus their attention on their small wars, and the big issues that concern millions of Copts (!!!!) are not in their interest.
big issues that concern millions of Copts – Marriage and Divorce, i.e. freedom to marry and divorce.
The clergy of Copts are nothing but devils under the guise of cross.
I start to believe that recent attacks on Coptic churches were arranged by Al-Sisi just to get rid of some of his politiacal enemies.
And Coptic clergy do not give (and never gave) a shit to their believers’ lives.
gravenimage says
vladkoval wrote:
And yes – the bigotry of the so called “christians of Middle East” – that’s what creates ISIS.
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ISIS is mainstream Islam–Islam was not created by Christians.
And I’m not sure why you are castigating Robert Spencer for the practices of the Coptic Church–he is not a Copt.
He condemns Muslims slaughtering Copts–so do I.
Muslims are not slaughtering Copts because of their views on divorce.
Muslims regularly murder Catholics and Protestants, as well.
J_not_a says
You are way off topic here – this column is about a far left Hollywood producer spouting nonsense that loving islamic terrorists will make them stop committing jihad. Take your crusade agains0t the Catholic Church to the appropriate forum.
J_not_a says
Or Copic Church , rather.
vladkoval says
It is important to know what I am trying to draw attention to, since Islamic Jihadist didn’t came from the Mars, they know well the evil fake-Christians do in the Middle East, and that’s what keeps millions of moderate muslims from leaving Islam – the heresies of MENA “Christianity”.
Michael says
Thanks for that information, vladkoval. I’m very unfamiliar with the situation of the Copts.
AleX says
Good point, Vladkoval.
Only that Robert Spencer has a site named Jihad Watch for now.
And not Coptic Watch.
vladkoval says
“not Coptic Watch”
I know. But I don’t believe that muslim problem can be solved taken apart from MENA christian problem. And not only MENA.
Pal says
“Only love stops hate”.
Indeed.
Only if you have to deal with anything else than Islam.
nusshaus says
I would love to live in the world that liberals have in their minds where, “if we all just be nice, then we could all get along.” Unfortunately, there is this place called Realsville where the Muslim culture forcibly tries to subsumes all others and where liberals naively and unwittingly aid that toxic culture.
Aussie Infidel says
Josh Fox seems like just another ignorant Hollywood dhimmi. Has he ever read the Quran or the other Islamic scriptures? Or Islamic Sharia law? Does he understand the Muslim doctrine of Al Walla wal Barra or ‘loving and hating for the sake of Allah?’ The Quran commands Muslims to hate all kafirs (non-Muslims) – and that includes Fox (Quran 5:51; 8:39, 8:55, 9:5, 9:14-15, 9:29, 98:5-6-7, etc).
Loving one’s enemies might result in a positive outcome when dealing with rational people in a Western culture who follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). But Muslims drafted their own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). But the CDHRI is in accord with the Islamic Sharia, and consequently it is opposed to the UDHR and discriminates against non-Muslims. There is no Golden Rule in Islam – only love for their Muslim ‘brothers’ – and to hell with everyone else. It’s not that Westerners hate Muslims per se, but we reject their belligerent supremacist ideology which has no place in a civilized society.
Diplomacy and peace treaties are regarded by Muslims as a sign of weakness (Quran 9:1-14). They don’t want peace! And they don’t want to integrate into our culture! They want victory over all other religions and cultures, to subjugate us all and impose their own religion and Sharia law.
Fox should stick to making re-runs of Ali Baba And The Forty Thieves; and learn a lot more about Islam before tweeting his erroneous opinions.
Jerry says
Yes, if only we had shown Hitler more love WWII and the holocaust wouldn’t have happened. Good grief, when will these leftist do-gooders realize that bad ideas aren’t worth loving. Islam is a bad idea.
Hypothetically, if I told this director I wanted to kill his loved ones I don’t think he’d respond with love, he’d be responsible acting and call the police. But when it comes to our nation’s security and the future of humanity he’s all for passivity and love. It’s easy for a selfish and self-centered director to be high-minded, his personal little world is safe and snug out of harms reach with food on the table. It’s all about him, never mind the head-cutting, the rape, the terrorism, the misogygy, the dangerous ideology of islam… Let’s just all love one another, as if “love” were a magic word that solves all problems. Sickening. I’m all for “love.” But the kind of love that tells the truth, the kind that makes the hard decisions. Ya know, the kind of love that Spencer and Geller and Wilders have for democracy, peace, and humanity–that kind of love. Not this guy’s kind of love, the kind that can’t see past ones own nose. That’s not love, that’s childish irresponsibility.
Pal says
Wake up!
At least for the Sake of Easter
Wake up!
Where have gone yesterday’s values?
“New York Easter 1956 photo – 3 Crosses in the heart of Manhattan – Will They Ever Appear Again”?
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/3-crosses-in-1956-lower-manhattan-easter-photograph-show-how-far-america-has-fallen/
Craig W says
If “love” was the answer, where is the love for Trump … all they do is hate. ??
Craig W says
If “love” was the answer, where is the love for Trump … all they do is hate. ??
Samantha says
Clever answer and that is exactly right. If Love was it, then where is it from liberals? Of course, like all good dogma, progressive ideology has an exception which allows for the extermination of the opposition. Hate is not only permitted, but required to “resist” the evil ones and create rainbows.
Michael says
The hypocrisy is so huge and pervasive, they can’t see it. Love all … except Trump, those who question Islam, those who oppose Sharia law, those who oppose illegal immigration, those who support an immigration ban from the Middle East ….
Love will fix everything … everybody deserves that kind of love … except those kinds of people!
Samantha says
“Teachers, diplomacy, culture and aid helps peace”
Can he cite even one example of that in history?
Peace by definition is the absence of war and uprising, period. It has nothing to do with freedom or happiness or fairness or anything else you may find of value. All you need for peace is money, power, weapons, manpower, and a little time. After the Romans invaded, there was peace, because anyone who opposed them was dead, driven out, or assimilated. Same when the British invaded, or the Spanish, or before that, the Ottoman and Persian empires. Later on, armies fought for ideologies instead of kingdoms and the result was the same: After communism hit Russia, China, and Cuba, there was first a whole lot of death, then a long peace.
Political Islam is no different, and it is a hybrid thing, a little of all of the above. It is a bit of a king-based system because it is being imported from the middle east where there are STILL STANDING KINGS. It is an ideology, because it tolerates only one way of life, and of conducting commerce, and of categorizing and identifying individuals within the population. And lastly, it is a religion, and the final solution in the goal to establish sameness and orthodoxy.
Those who resist Political Islam, by definition will be labeled as being opposed to peace. But of course it isn’t just us who oppose peace. Because of the psychotic nature of the Islamic world, which contains Sunni and Shia and elites and rebels, all fighting over money and flavors of ideology…..there are plenty of muslims who don’t want peace either, if the peace has a Saudi prince ruling above it all, for example. So if we did absolutely NOTHING and offered NO resistance at all, we would simply create a vacuum for the Intifada. By withdrawing guns and bombs, you have by default created a safe space for others who have guns and bombs and knives, to make inroads.
In truth, you or I don’t have the power to wave our hands and create peace, no matter how much “teaching” or “diplomacy” we provide. There are always stronger forces at work. It’s the folly of someone who goes to the beach and gets stuck in a riptide because they misjudge the currents, and think they can swim out of it. Then they die.
Dustin Koellhoffer says
and only death stops a death cult from committing more murders.
Jesus did not preached to sinners, not to the thieves, rapists, and murderers.
Good Muslims turn to Jesus:
https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/01/13/good-muslims-of-the-world-turn-from-the-hate-of-jihad-and-seek-jesus/
BlueRaven says
I am willing to pay for his air ticket to anyone of the Islamic countries: Afghanstan/Syria, and let him hug till his heart desires: My condition is he need to stay for a month and win some hearts. If he does or doesn’t he never need to pay back a cent. My bet is on Mister Fox. I am waiting to see if you can walk your big mouth talk!!!
mortimer says
Josh Fox believes that Muslims hate the West because of political and financial ‘grievances’. AL WALAA WAL BARAA is the ‘ESSENTIAL’ doctrine of Islam that demands the HATRED of KAFIRS ‘for the sake of Allah’.
Muslims will GO TO HELL if they don’t believe and practice the hostility of AL WALAA WAL BARAA.
“IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!”
Islamic hate does NOT derive from ‘GRIEVANCES’. Islamic hate derives from the WILL OF ALLAH.
John A. Marre says
No amount of love can stop Muslim hate. It is in their nature to hate. When they are dead they stop hating.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He’s making the same argument that near president Hillary Clinton was making. Don’t resist and everything will turn out ok. In other words, give up! No accounting made by either Infidel spokesperson of Islam’s history, much less its scriptures, which clearly indicates the opposite. Thank goodness the awful Hillary isn’t ruling us now, but Hollywood is still in place.
Charles Martel says
What a tool!…and a dangerous one at that.
Fox brings to mind the holy man in the movie, “Immortals” (if I recall correctly), who wanted to have a peaceful discussion with King Hyperion (Mickey Rourke). Without even thinking about it, Hyperion lopped off his head as he strode by him.
Geppetto says
This is the face of the “intellectual” left. The smug, superior, ever so much smarter than thou, pontificating about their favorite “solution” to all of humanities problems: down with America, peace, love and hug a terrorist.
Ric says
Exactly, Geppetto, well said.
Ric says
“All You Need is Love”, says Josh whicheverhisnameis, another bubble wrapped Hollywood leftist with his head, principles, and I.Q. buried deeply into his favorite orifice. Wow! The Western Allies have appeased, placated, mollycoddled tyrants, seemingly forever. They were proven wrong and We the People paid the sacrifice along with our allies because of the unfavorable view of being aggressive, even assertive with enemies bent on our annihilation.
These folks deem themselves the mentors of the younger generation. Our education system is rife with those of this same mindset… God help us. Many of the aforementioned are, on the same worldview as our foes… destroy this Constitutional Republic and others of Western-Democracy. They are beholden to a death-wish, which is fine and dandy if it merely affected them but it affects everyone.
Lilythewise says
Josh Fox is a moron!
Muslims would lop his head off if they’re given such an opportunity.
Ray-Cathode says
““Only love stops hate, and bombings only create more ISIS””
Wow. Is it only lefties that think that if you put a phrase in an attractive form that it will suddenly become true, without reference to actual reality? So much stupidity, so little time to expose it, I suppose we shall have to let it expose itself – I think this set of emperor’s clothes has the butt of a joke hanging out.