One more example of Meet-Your-Muslim Neighbor Ninnies:
“Clearing the Air on Islam through ‘Spread Hummus, Not Hate’ events in Beaver,” by J.D. Prose, Beaver County Times, March 31, 2017:
BEAVER — If any two things bring Beaver Countians together, it’s food and religion, and Center Township resident Toni Ashfaq will incorporate both to educate residents about Islam during events in Beaver.
“There are a lot of misunderstandings, a lot of false information floating around,” said Ashfaq, a Muslim and the organizer of two Spread Hummus, Not Hate: Meet Your Muslim Neighbor gatherings Wednesday and Saturday at Beaver Area Memorial Library. “We just want people to meet us and see that we’re just like everybody else.”
“A Wisconsin native and convert from Catholicism, Ashfaq said she and two friends — Julia Chaney, a Christian, and fellow Muslim Dr. Raniah Khairy, an OB/GYN specialist at Heritage Valley Beaver hospital in Brighton Township — began brainstorming ideas “just to kind of build bridges and promote understanding” because of the “current political climate.”…
“We thought it was a pretty catchy title,” Ashfaq said with a laugh. Just one gathering was initially planned, but after receiving an “overwhelming” response, she said a second one was added.”
“Islam has been distorted by politicians and certain media, she said, not naming anyone specifically. Regardless, Ashfaq said Muslims are “not in denial” about Muslims committing violence, but “the media too often focuses solely on Islam.”
Yes, how true. What on earth could possibly be the reason for this unwonted fixation on Islam? Could it be that the media “too often focuses solely on Islam” because there have been more than 30,500 terrorist attacks by Muslims on non-Muslims, all over the world, since 9/11? Could it be that the attacks – let’s just list a few of the places that come immediately to mind, in Paris, Nice, Toulouse, in Brussels, Berlin, Wurzburg, Munich, Reutlingen, Ansbach, in Moscow and Beslan and St. Petersburg, in Amsterdam and Madrid, in New York and Washington and Boston, in Fort Hood and San Bernardino, in Orlando and Chattanooga, in St. Cloud and Little Rock, in Bali and Mumbai and New Delhi, in the Moro Islands of the Philippines, in Buenos Aires and in Beijing – are the reason why there is this “focus”on Islam? Or might it be because Muslims are engaged in so many other kinds of violence, including the sectarian conflict, pitting Sunnis against Shia, in Syria, Iraq, Bahrain, Pakistan, and Yemen, which also means that in several of these countries both Iran and Saudi Arabia are also involved, fighting proxy wars? Or could it be the continuing warfare against the Egyptian state from terrorists based in the Sinai, who are both Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic State sympathizers? Or the Muslims of Boko Haram, who have continued to kidnap Christian girls in Nigeria and use them as sex slaves? Or the attacks on Christians and Yazidis by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria? Or the continuing wars in post-Qaddafi Libya, with Misratan militias battling the forces of the Libyan National Army, while the remnants of the the Islamic State, defeated at Sirte in December 2016, remain a once-and-future threat in Libya, a country where things are so bad that there are those nostalgic even for Qaddafi’s mad rule? Could it be the violence by Muslims who have driven 200,000 Hindu Pandits out of Kashmir, terrified Christian farmers in the Moro Islands of the Philippines, pushed Buddhists out of the Chittagong Hills tract in Bangladesh, and killed hundreds of thousands of African Christians in the southern Sudan? Could it be the murder of the Christian Shahbaz Bhatti in Pakistan, for daring to question the blasphemy laws? Could it have something to do with the grooming gangs in England? Or the fact that in Sweden 70% of the rapes are committed by Muslims, though Muslims constitute only 4% of the population? Could any, or some, or all of this, and a great deal more in the same vein, be the reason the media “focuses” — if, in fact, it does — on Islam?
Does the media, in fact, really “focus” on Islam anyway? That it should, given all of the terrorist attacks committed by Muslims, just a few of which I’ve listed above, is clear – but does it? Don’t we see the Western media doing what it can to avoid “focusing on Islam,” by reporting with a straight face on terrorism by Muslims, but often not identifying the perpetrators as such, or by misleadingly labeling them, as in the U.K., as “Asians,” and then, compounding the willful error, immediately quoting someone who forcefully denies that “Islam had anything to do with it.” The blood had hardly dried on Westminster Bridge after a Muslim attacker had struck than Theresa May announced that “it is wrong to describe this as Islamic terrorism. It is Islamist terrorism. It is a perversion of a great faith.” Those years Theresa May spent studying at Al-Azhar turn out to have been well worth it.
If it’s a single Muslim attacker, he’s a “lone wolf” acting on his own, without any discernible motivation. Or he may be a “disgruntled” employee guilty of “violence in the workplace.” That was how the Obama administration and the Pentagon first described the mass murderer Major Nidal Malik Hassan, and it took six years for his murders to finally be officially described, correctly, as “terrorism.” If there were several attackers, they may be described as a “small handful of extremists” or as those who “misunderstand” Islam, or who have somehow accepted a “perverse interpretation of Islam.” Or they are not the real Muslims, but the “radicalized” ones, though what constitutes “radicalization” is never explained.
When was the last time you saw, in a newspaper, or heard on a broadcast, simply stated, that “Muslim terrorists, following the texts and teachings of Islam such as [here would follow the quoting of a few verses] struck again at [here put in the details, the where and when and who, of the attack].” Of course you have never read nor seen any such coverage. There is no “focus on Islam,” as Toni Ashfaq claims, but quite the reverse: a constant effort to divert attention away from Islam, to convince people that Islamic terrorism “has nothing to do with Islam.” No matter how absurd, by dint of repetition, it’s having its insidious effect.
“People get the wrong idea that those people represent the whole faith, and they don’t,” Ashfaq said, recalling a recent conversation in which she told a woman that equating terrorists with Islam would be akin to equating the Ku Klux Klan with Christianity.
This is Tu Quoque with a vengeance. To wit, we all, Christians and Muslims, have our crazies. Except that the Ku Klux Klan does not cite the Bible, because it cannot, to justify its violence, while Muslim terrorists are able, and eager, to cite Qur’anic passages that justify their attacks on non-Muslims. If Toni Ashfaq, a convert to Islam, is unware of those Qur’anic passages – the four I always like to adduce first are 9:5, 9:29, 3:151, 8:12, but there are more than 100 other “violent Jihad verses” to choose from — then she needs to study her Qur’an a bit more.
It would be fascinating to know what she knew about Islam before she converted, and what, if anything, she has learned since. Has she run across anything in the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira that has disturbed her? Any doubts, or second thoughts, about the sheer wonderfulness of Islam?
“Critics have accused President Donald Trump of fanning anti-Muslim sentiments with his proposed immigration ban, since halted by courts, that targeted Muslim-majority countries. He has argued that the ban is necessary to make sure terrorists are not entering the United States as refugees.
“Ashfaq said she has not experienced any overt discrimination, but has seen an increase in people’s curiosity about Islam and Muslims.”
“People are really starting to ask questions,” she said. “They are really wanting to understand.”
“Most questions, Ashfaq said, concern sharia, Islamic canonical law; jihad, an Arabic word meaning “struggle,” but which has taken on the connotation of “holy war”; the treatment of women in Islamic societies; and how some Muslim women dress in public, which can include wearing a hijab that covers the head and chest. Those aspects of Islam, including its basic beliefs and similarities with Christianity, and a question-and-answer session will be on the agenda Wednesday and Saturday.”
Yes, “people are really wanting to understand.” But how will these “Spread Hummus Not Hate” gatherings help non-Muslims to understand what really matters? One is not impressed by Ashfaq’s definition of “jihad” as “an Arabic word meaning ‘struggle,’” but which, she says, has “taken on the connotation of ‘holy war.’” “Taken on the connotation?” When did this happen? This year? A decade ago? The correct answer is 1,400 years ago, for it is as old as Islam itself. And it’s not “connotation” here, but “meaning” that matters. So let’s rephrase her remarks for the sake of the truth: the primary meaning of Jihad has always been that of war against the Infidels, to extend the Islamic domain, Dar al-Islam,where Muslims dominate, at the expense of Dar al-Harb, the House of War, where Unbelievers still dominate. Muslim apologists constantly tell Infidels, that “Jihad” really means an “internal struggle” to be a better human and better Muslim, and they quote a doubtful Hadith, about Muhammad returning home from war, in which he describes himself as returning from the lesser Jihad to the greater Jihad. If that is the meaning Toni Ashfaq wants to claim “Jihad” means, then one hopes that someone in her audience of Infidels will ask her, during the Q-and-A, the series of questions posed by Robert Spencer:
If Jihad is simply a spiritual struggle, why is there an entire chapter of the Qur’an entitled “Booty” or “The Spoils of War” (al-Anfal)? What spoils ensue from a spiritual struggle? If jihad is simply a spiritual struggle, how is a Muslim supposed to make Jews and Christians “pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29) spiritually? If jihad is simply a spiritual struggle, why are there thousands upon thousands of Muslims worldwide who have joined violent jihad groups? Why are there any violent jihad groups at all? Why is this misunderstanding of jihad so widespread?
And as for learning about the Sharia, do you think that the visitors to these Spread Hummus Not Hate feelgood fests will learn about the punishment, according to the Sharia, meted out to those who leave Islam for another religion – that is, death? Or will they be misleadingly reassured by being told only about Qur’an 2:256? “There is no compulsion in religion,” and naturally will take that verse at face (and in this case false) value? Do you think her visitors will be told by Toni Ashfaq about the punishments that, according to the Hudud, the criminal law part of Sharia (with its fixed penalties established by God), are prescribed for certain crimes? Will they learn about such barbarities as amputation of limbs, public crucifixions, stonings, decapitations, being thrown from a high building? And will she tell them – does she herself know? – that among those “crimes” punishable by death in Islam, along with apostasy, are not just murder, but also adultery and homosexuality? How will she explain away these cruel punishments, or justify treating as “crimes” behaviors that we in the West do not criminalize at all? She claims that among the topics her visitors most want to find out more about is the Sharia. How will she deal with the criminal law part of the Sharia? Or will she avoid that subject altogether, and stick to the most anodyne parts of the Sharia, such as laws pertaining to no-interest loans?
Ashfaq said she and her friends are hoping the events raise enough interest that others might want to organize similar gatherings to promote interfaith relationships and understanding.
“If you see somebody face-to-face, it’s harder to hate them,” she said.
Oh, I don’t know about that. If I meet someone face-to-face whom I have every reason to believe is deliberately attempting to mislead me about life-and-death matters, such as what Islam teaches, given that we non-Muslims are being undermined by the Stealth Jihad that is being conducted all over the Western world, and threatened too, by Islamic terrorists, I don’t think I would find it hard to hate that someone.
Toni Ashfaq complained that “there are a lot of misunderstandings, a lot of false information floating around,” and that she hoped to dispel at these Spread-Hummus-Not-Hate gatherings. It would be fascinating to have her list, say, ten examples of “false information” about Islam that she found particularly egregious. What one would like from Toni Ashfaq is, if not the whole truth, at least some part of it. That would include an admission that Jihad does have, as its primary meaning, the struggle to subdue Infidels and bring about the triumph of Islam everywhere in the world. And then Toni Ashfaq could suggest that Muslims such as herself are attempting to bring about “a real reformation in Islam,” beginning with a change in the accepted meaning of Jihad, so that the examples of Jihad as warfare in the Muslim texts are “contextualized” and Jihad as a “spiritual struggle” is promoted to become its main meaning. Let her admit, too, that there are unpleasant aspects of Islam which she, and other “reformers” recognize as needing to be changed, such as the misogyny and antisemitism that run through the Islamic texts, and that, too, need to be “contextualized” so that Muslims today can slough off those antiquated attitudes. And those changes, for a start, might give us all the chance, Toni Ashfaq can announce to her audience, for some sort of real convivencia, and not, Toni Ashfaq now feels compelled to admit, the “phony one made so much of by the likes of Karen Armstrong.”
No, skip that last paragraph. I was just kidding. It’s completely unthinkable. I don’t know what came over me, to entertain the thought that such an admission about Jihad would be possible. Instead, let’s try to forget the nonsense and lies we are going to have to endure, until we come to the most pleasant and least controversial aspect of these “Spread Hummus Not Hate” meetings. The part we’ve all been waiting for. The hummus. The pita. The baklava.
Richard Koethe says
Has anyone challenged these people to a debate on Islam and Christianity?
Benedict says
A thoughtful commentator on JW stated the difference between Christianity and Islam such: Christ died to spread Christianity and Mohammad killed to spread Islam; everything follows from that.
No amount of hummus or debating will obliterate this difference and the kind of disciples it fosters.
john spielman says
true and the reason for the theological differences between followers of Jesus the Christ and muslims who follow allah is that Jesus IS God while allah IS Satan!
Robert says
I so agree……lt us be honest about the Islam and not try and be politically correct…
Jeanette says
Any group that follows a book that commands that most of the world’s population be murdered is dangerous.
ALL members of that group are potential murderers. If they weren’t, they would leave the group that follows the book that commands that everyone else be murdered.
Of course, currently there is only one group that fits that description.
jihad3tracker says
Hello Richard —
Please allow me to parachute into your front yard, with an observation that the article Mr. Fitzgerald cites has no comments as of just a few minutes ago (1:45 PM Eastern US).
Perhaps some of us would like to post some “educational observations” there. A superb choice in my humble opinion is at this link: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/09/qurans-last-word-on-non-muslims.html
And, as the old cliché goes, there are plenty more where that came from — as well as at our favorite truth-telling blogs and oodles of videos.
Get your typing fingers into action, but keep in mind that the web news site is apparently “progressive” and thus full of privilege guilt, so be concise and gentle or otherwise you might get moderated into oblivion.
jihad3tracker says
Admitting a careless mistake by Yours Truly: The website mentioned in this JW post is predominantly Democrat political, NOT a news resource for Beaver County Pennsylvania.
So, probably a waste of time to put up a comment there.
By the way, for those of us who are not already aware of the excellent blog by Robert Spencer’s associate at AFDI — AND THE MOST COURAGEOUS CITIZEN IN OUR UNITED STATES — Pamela Geller, take some time soon to visit it: www [dot] pamelageller [dot] com.
gravenimage says
Agree with you 100% about the brave Ms. Geller!
Peter Hammer says
Dear jihad3tracker: In my opinion, the best concentration of raw information about Islam is to be found on the SneakyIslam.com website. Everyone should have it bookmarked on their cell phones. And in reference to the Hummus-Hatred issue, there is no better paper on the futility of Interfaith Dialogue with Muslims than the one to be found (downloadable) on the home page of this web site.
no_one says
Christ said “Love your enemy”, Mohamed said “Kill the unbeliever”. Christ confirmed “You shall not kill”. If you look carefully at the Bible and the Quran you may think that the god of the quran is the satan from the bible.
Brian Wald says
As it turns out, the Hebrew original is “You shall not murder.” Therefore, one should know, as a Christian or Jew, that the bible does not condemn ALL killing. Sometimes killing is ethical. Everyone who studies the bible seriously knows this. Just saying.
As for the Koran and Allah, it is satanic and the spawn of satan, 100%.
old white guy says
There is no point because the level of stupid on display precludes any rational discussion.
Biff H says
The guests of Islamic outreach need only ask their hosts one question –
The Qur’an says Christians and Jews are the worst of creatures. By their mere presence in the room these filthy najis are a corrupting influence on Islam’s faithful. Was Allah wrong?
Jack Mackie says
Robert Spencer, expert on Islam for 35 years has an open challenge to any Muslims . His website is jihadwatch. MUSLIMS are masters of taquiya and kitman ( deception and half truths) in efforts to manipulate the infidel nations. If you are ignorant of Islamic teachings you put yourself and your family and friends at risk of inviting the Trojan Horse of Islam into your societies.
Angemon says
XD
C T says
I’m pretty sure hummus isn’t just a Muslim thing…..
no_one says
Greeks also it hummus is falafel. For a long time I thought it was a Greek thing. Also Christian Arabs and Jews also it hummus. It is not a mulim thing no matter what the clouded brains think.
no_one says
I mean Greeks also eat hummus and falafel.
gravenimage says
I thought this was interesting: a few years ago a Jewish Israeli journalist decided to settle the “is falafel a Jewish or Arab” thing for good, did some research, and the furthest back he could trace it was to Christians using it as a meat substitute for fast days.
Wellington says
The Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazi Brownshirts, held folksy events like this in the 1920s and early 1930s but it didn’t make Nazism OK. Ditto here.
Am I comparing Islam to Nazism? You bet I am. Both single out certain groups for second-class status or death; Nazism primarily with ethnic groups, Islam with non-believers. Both are enemies of freedom. Both seek world conquest by force. Both are against equality under the law (this is an inevitable result of certain groups of human beings, whatever the grouping, being worthy of second-class status or death). Both make a mockery of Western Civilization, the civilization that pioneered more freedoms than any other in history. Both are enemies of true democracy. Both have a warped moral code. Both are enemies of Christianity and Christianity’s Golden Rule. Both are profoundly anti-Semitic. And both are recipes for the closing of the mind. There are other comparisons too but I think this is enough for now. More than enough I would contend.
PRCS says
“You bet I am.”
Not to put too fine a point on it!
epistemology says
Your comment is superb as usual I contend. saved it in my “excellent” folder, thanks a lot
gravenimage says
Fine post, Wellington.
mortimer says
Agree with Wellington on parallels between Nazism and Islamism. There are as many with Bushido-Shintoism of WWII: frequent use of beheading, suicide attacks, cult of personality, abuse of prisoners. One thing often left off lists about Islam is ARAB RACISM which is scattered throughout the hadiths and Sira with approval. It is clear the first generations of Arab Muslims saw themselves as their god’s chosen race to subjugate, enslave and rule over lesser breeds. Arab racism today causes many converts to Islam to drop out of Islam.
Tjhawk says
” Both ( islam and nazism ) are recipes for closing the mind”
What an elegant, and easily understood way of describing why islam must be resisted as much as nazism was.
Free and open societies will need to wrap their minds around that fact if they hope to remain free and open.
Robert says
to state that Jihad is a spiritual struggle in oneself ONLY, then it is comprehensible that slavery and get rid of non-believers is part of an inner struggle…
Guy Macher says
You know what? Let’s start holding our own “Spread Hummus not Bullshit” events. Let’s read the Koran aloud on street corners, in libraries, schools, and coffee shops. This Muslima has inspired me! Can I get an Amen?
C T says
Always start with Quran 4:34 and the Kitab al-Huddud from the Sunni ahadith Abu-Dawud saying to kill apostates and stone various kinds of sex transgressors, including gays. Those are some of the strongest wake-up calls. No amount of hummus makes that much beating, stoning, and beheading OK.
Lilythewise says
The unvarnished truth about Islam is an effective weapon against taquiyah.
Benedict says
Hummus works as an excellent introduction to Islam if you stuff it in your ears and your eyes.
gravenimage says
Brilliant.
Nienie says
Thank you, Benedict! AMEN: Yes, yes, let it be so! : D
mortimer says
BUT… Islam commands the SPREADING OF HATE via a doctrine called al Walaa wal Baraa.
‘AL BARAA’ = Islamic Apartheid, separating oneself from dirty kafirs
Al Bughoud = Hatred of Kafirs for the sake of Allah, or Al Mu’adaat, this is the opposite of Al Muwalaat, it is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
Allah ordered us to have Baraa, from the kuffar and from kufr and shirk.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, Benedict is being sarcastic.
Nienie says
Should have said, “Thank you, Guy” first.
mike9a says
Perfect target for jihadies! Bunch of infidels with mozzis that supposedly want make friends with kafirs! I assume there will be no security, why there should be any? I trust them so much, would NOT send my drone to be part of the hummus, let alone myself in person.
mortimer says
Al Walaa wal Baraa is Islamic apartheid. Muslims are not supposed to befriend or like kafirs unless for the purpose of proselytizing them. At that point, Muslims may ‘smile at certain people while our hearts despise them’.
The pretense of befriending kafirs is permitted when Muslims have something to gain. At other times, Muslims have a duty to HUMILIATE the kafirs so they will know their social and religious inferiority.
Jeanette says
Their daughters (and probably sons) will be raped soon enough. Then they can rethink their fuzzy feewings.
What a stupid population it is that has to experience something itself to believe it. Good thing that wasn’t so during World War II.
Tony says
Hummus is for the “MAKE NICE KIND OF STUPID PEOPLE” that are members of the Democratic Party. Never “make nice” with Moslems.
C T says
I’ll happily make nice with Quranists, secular Muslims who reject their theology but consider themselves “Muslim” by heritage, and Nizari Ismailis. Maybe even some Sufis. But anyone who thinks the Sunni ahadith are God’s unchangeable instructions to humanity…would they even want to eat with an infidel like me?
gravenimage says
C T wrote:
I’ll happily make nice with Quranists, secular Muslims who reject their theology but consider themselves “Muslim” by heritage, and Nizari Ismailis.
………………………
C T, the Qur’an includes such Ayats as these:
Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…”
*Surely* you are not OK with these sentiments?
As for the Nizari Ismailis, these include the “Twelvers” who run the vicious Shari’ah state of Iran, who have threatened to “wipe Israel off the map”. They do *not* reject violent Jihad–nor do the Sufis.
Jeanette says
Any group that follows a book that commands that most of the world’s population be murdered is dangerous.
ALL members of that group are potential murderers. If they weren’t, they would leave the group that follows the book that commands that everyone else be murdered.
Irene Brekelmans says
Thi is how they work, and now the lovely beaver people,, they don’t have any idea and when you meat them “personally”, they are so nice, now it is the turn of the Beaver Bunch. I can’t even look at them, and the people trust them, but they never had enemies in their country, they can not believe it that such nice people who made up such a nice yell: “spread hummus instead of hate”, they stepped of their violent
methodes for a moment and wait. May be thy have heard that you catch more naive infidels with sugar,
than with vinegar. The vinegar comes later, when they take over the town. And specially the converted people are a danger, they are “helping” the humus ones. I don’t believe any of it at all, but then after all this I would not any way any more.
marina says
These infidels are going to get a high dose of whitewashed version of Islam. The best way to learn about Islam is not from these taqyyia spewing Muslims. Somebody should tell them about Jihad W.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Somebody should tell them about Jihad W.”
They won’t know unless they’re told. They’re unlikely to randomly land in here via Google (though it has been known to happen).
The only way they will find out is if a jihadwatcher or two or three who happens to live in or near Beaver – anywhere within reasonable travelling distance – schedules to **go along to those little “Dawa and Disinformation” sessions (if they are regular occurrences) at the Beaver Area Memorial Library.
Read and reread Mr Fitzgerald’s article. I would also suggest going to the Barnabas Fund website and buying a sackful of their useful, nicely-produced and eye-opening booklet, “What is Sharia?” and then tucking these items into your capacious handbag or briefcase, for slipping to fellow Infidels after casual conversations struck up during the meeting.
In your conversations, focus on the Apostasy Law. It would be very interesting if someone in your team were to ask Ms Ashfaq if she is aware of what just might happen to her if she decided she didn’t want to be a Muslim any more, and instead wanted to be an atheist, or reconvert to Christianity like a prodigal daughter, or experiment with Buddhism. Casually mention the recent spate of murders of ‘atheist bloggers’ in Bangladesh…murders carried out by pious Muslims. And the fact that apostates from Islam, in the UK, live under changed names, in hiding, for fear of their former coreligionists. That people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali need bodyguards.
She could also be asked about the blasphemy law, too, with the examples given, of Asma bint Marwan, Abu Afak, and Kab bin Ashraf, followed up by the modern examples of the Salman Rushdie fatwa, the Danish Cartoon riots (and would-be-murderous attack on Kurt Westergaard in his own home by an axe-wielding Somali Muslim), the massacre of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, and the brazen murder of Theo Van Gogh to punish him for helping apostate Ayaan Hirsi Ali make “Submission”… and one could mention Asia Bibi, too, on Death Row in Pakistan for merely having resisted conversion to Islam and stated that Jesus was superior to Mohammed.
Her own response is in a way irrelevant. What is necessary is that the curiosity of at least some of the naive visiting infidels should be piqued enough that they might *later on* go a-googling along lines that will bring them to jihadwatch. Mr Spencer’s name, and that of Mr Hugh Fitzgerald, and of Jihadwatch, should be mentioned in casual conversation *afterwards*, if the visitor encounters a fellow-Infidel who shows signs of not being entirely fooled by the nonsense-and-lies Ms Ashfaq and company are peddling.
dumbledoresarmy says
Here (I hope) is the link to a much earlier piece by Mr Hugh Fitzgerald, entitled, “tips for visiting a mosque”.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/08/fitzgerald-tips-for-visiting-a-mosque
Here’s the opening paragraph -” Be prepared to ask — sweetly, in an Infidel-Wants-to-Know Mode — about Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha when she was nine, about the assassinations of Asma bint Marwan and others, about the massacre of the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar oasis, about the decapitation of 600-900 helpless prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, and about so much more. Be sure to mention the Hadith….
“Ask about the relevance of what Muhammad did and said for today’s Muslims. Ask why he is called in the Qur’an “uswa hasana” and in Islamic tradition “al-insan al-kamil”? If told such things as Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha must be “put in the context of their times,” don’t forget to ask why virtually the first act of Khomeini in Iran was to lower the marriageable age of girls to nine…”.
PRCS says
“Or they are not the real Muslims, but the “radicalized” ones, though what constitutes “radicalization” is never explained.’
Nor the point at which a Muslim’s compliance with Qur’an and Sunn’ah becomes “extremism”.
Ashley says
I wonder who prepared the hummus?
I’ve never developed a palate for camel urine. I take a dim view on food served by those who wipe their asses with their hand. In short, I would never consume food or drink served to me by a Muslim. Guess I have my own strict dietary restrictions.
Can I bring my famous “pigs-in-a-blanket” appetizer to these gatherings? A bottle of vodka to share?
Aren’t Muslims curious to learn about infidels? Or are we just filth…
miriamrove says
Yes! You bring pigs in a blanket and I will bring a bottle of Tito’s!
As an ex-Muslim, when I think me wiping my butt with my left hand, and in Islam you must use your left hand, I see how disgusting it is! M
Ashley says
A toast to you, Miriam!
gravenimage says
+1
Lilythewise says
Hummus is nasty and has a metallic taste. Islam spreads misery everywhere it is practiced.
The barbarians can stay in their region of the world and leave the rest of us alone.
gravenimage says
Humus is fine–it is also eaten by Jews and Christians. If it is not to your taste, fine.
The problem with Islam is oppression and violent Jihad, not condiments.
mortimer says
We should hand out copies of Sharia law’s most illiberal provisions so that people will know what Islam really teaches.
mortimer says
THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASKED:
1) Do you condemn wife beating?
2) Do you condemn forced marriage?
3) Do you condemn child marriage?
4) Do you condemn honor killing?
5) Do you condemn political assassination of apostates and blasphemers?
Thomas says
Of course they would condemn all of those things. Remember, Taqiya!
Jeanette says
You left out mutilation of girls and women.
Muslims are beginning to call for all girls and women worldwide being forcibly mutilated. Including non-Muslim girls and women.
mortimer says
Good RIPOSTE from Fitzgerald:
…”the Ku Klux Klan does not cite the Bible, because it cannot, to justify its violence, while Muslim terrorists are able, and eager, to cite Qur’anic passages that justify their attacks”.
Everybody, copy, save and use in your future discussions with Islamo-apologists.
Thomas says
I fail to understand the program.
If the program’s purpose was to get to know one another, then Christianity and Islam both should have been discussed.
PRCS says
One would think.
dumbledoresarmy says
From the original article – “…aspects of Islam, including its basic beliefs and similarities with Christianity,”
Similarities??? !!!!
This is where having on hand – and having carefully read and re-read – a copy of the Barnabas Fund’s booklet “Is the Muslim Isa the Biblical Jesus?”, and/ or of Rev Dr Mark Durie’s “Which God?” – is necessary. Because both set out, point by point, exactly how diametrically DIFFERENT Islam is from Christianity. And not just different from, but .. implacably hostile toward.
gravenimage says
Thomas, the program is intended to lull Infidels into a false sense of security, and a belief that Islam is not violent. Infidels who believe these falsehoods will not act to defend themselves.
Stop Kafirophobia says
Sahih Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.'”
davej says
No amount of hummus can overcome the base Islamic ideology. Any “educational dialogue” audience should be forewarned about the Islamic principle of deception and consult independent and unbiased sources.
Your hummus won’t get you into heaven anymore, Mr Brown.
John A. Marre says
Too bad we didn’t give the 19 9/11 murderers some hummus before they got on their planes.
Keys says
Allah is not pleased when Muslims “befriend” non-muslims. Nevermind making friends: don’t forget about the Koranic verses that claim even the rocks cry out betraying hiding jews so they can be killed, etc., etc. …….
“The believers should not make the disbelievers their [supporting] allies rather than other believers– anyone who does such a thing will isolate himself completely from God– except when you need to protect yourselves from them.” [3.28]
And, “You who believe, do not take the Jews and Christians as [supporting] allies: they are [supporting] allies only to each other. Anyone who takes them as an ally becomes one of them– God does not guide such wrongdoers.” [5.51]
However, if one googles: “can muslims be friends with non-muslims”, the first links referenced explain away these clear words of Allah – the words do not really mean what Allah says, so muslims can befriend non-muslims.
Google is eclipsing the truth for ideological purposes, promoting non-criticism of Islam, and upfronting a friendly religion of peace version of Islam. Why? What changed at Google? This did not happen for no reason. Who is behind this?
Keys says
I notice on google that one can pay to have an ad appear up front when looking for certain goods.
I wonder if one can pay google to have one’s article, blog, etc. to appear first, and pay to not have the green “ad” notice appear. If so, a group like CAIR could pay for their interpretations of the google search for “jihad”, for example, appear first; even pay for several links to appear before the critical jihad hits.
Thereby, someone seeking information about Islam will get all the positive spin first; then when reading a later critical article by a non-muslim, is likely to think that that interpretation is not what Muslims really believe.
gravenimage says
Hugh Fitzgerald: “Spread Hummus Not Hate” in Beaver, Pennsylvania
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If all Islam was spreading was tasty chickpea dip, and not savagery and terrorism, there would be no problem. But that is *hardly* the case.
More:
“People are really starting to ask questions,” she said. “They are really wanting to understand.”
“Most questions, Ashfaq said, concern sharia, Islamic canonical law; jihad, an Arabic word meaning “struggle,” but which has taken on the connotation of “holy war”; the treatment of women in Islamic societies; and how some Muslim women dress in public, which can include wearing a hijab that covers the head and chest. Those aspects of Islam, including its basic beliefs and similarities with Christianity, and a question-and-answer session will be on the agenda Wednesday and Saturday.”
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Uh huh. How big a boatload of Taqiyya is it going to take to make oppression of women and violent Jihad sound benign?
I’ve heard Taqiyya goes down easier with some creamy hummus…
jewdog says
There has been a trend among some Jews and Muslims to become more obsessive about their holy texts over time. The Jewish case probably started a lot earlier, and was a consequence of exile after the defeat and dispersion by Rome. The Muslim case came later, and was aided by greater literacy, availability of the holy texts via the printing press, and now by the internet.
In the Jewish case, the most obsessive individuals are known as haredim, and their obsession with studying the texts can prevent them from getting a secular education or gainful employment. It has also led to opposition to Zionism and the refusal to defend the state, or, in extreme cases, to sedition. Certainly, the ancient Jews had no such eccentric lifestyle.
In the Muslim case, religious fundamentalism has resulted in carrying out commands of the texts literally, resulting in violence. Indeed, terrorists have often pointed out their textual inspirations. It is doubtful that ancient Muslims were so literal since they had an empire to run, and historical evidence shows Islam to be a later (~150 years after Muhammed) invention of convenience after the initial conquests.
I would add that had the original Muslims followed such commands faithfully the early Arab empire probably would have disintegrated, just as today’s Islamic lands are falling apart.
Since large groups of people use these texts as a guide, doesn’t it behoove us to scrutinize those texts carefully? Ignorance is not bliss, or hummus.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Because without islam, there would be no hummus, right, leftopaths?!
No, wait….!
Ethel Red says
I imagine the Dr. Raniah Khairy- OB/GYN would be very useful for the FGM which these Islamists demand on woman, when the time is right. Wouldn’t eat with them, never. Beware the wolf in the sheeps clothing.
Crusades Were Right! says
“Do try my taqiyya hummus, kaffirs…
…and there’s jihad waffle for dessert!”
Crusades Were Right! says
Here’s the deal, “kaffirs”:
You can let large numbers of Mohammedans into your country. Most of them won’t commit terrible crimes; although they don’t actually contribute much, if anything, to your society (unless you think “diversity” in itself is an asset), and will constantly demand that your country changes to accommodate their religious requirements. A “minority” of them will rape and kill your people. As Mohammedans generally have much larger families than non-Mohamedans, they will become an ever-increasing section of the population, and violence and other crimes against your people will become more commonplace. Eventually, Mohammedans will become numerous enough to dominate your country – in which case you must either fight, flee or accept to live the rest of your life as a kind of semi-slave in THEIR Islamic state.
Or you can say “No, thanks!” and get called a “racist”.
Toughie?
Jeanette says
We have too many people who are too worried about hurting anyone’s feelings. Until they actually know someone who has been damaged or killed by a Muslim, they are going to continue to worry only about feelings.
In a way, we’d be better off if the Muslims would get busy assaulting the lefties.
barry campbell says
If the Muslims atending the Christian / Muslim dinner were asked; “If there were no objections or concerns from present Canadians regarding Sharia Law and their was one religion (Allah under the Quran) they could practice in Canada, would Muslims who attended the dinner support these 2 suggestions over Canada traditional religions and Canad’s culture?”
No qualifications or no conditions, would they prefer their old ways and their religion (Quran) “over” Canada’s ???
barry campbell says
Its not a bad dream, it’s reality ….. welcome these Muslim Syrians to North America and reap the rewards of the Quran …. may all Infidels die. Read the passages from the Quran namely verses: 5:33, 6:12,47:4, and also read about Muhammed the Prophet were he married his child bride at 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9.
Muslims and Islam are the biggest threat to the world and North America of all times and of all other threats.
John A. Marre says
Sure. Putting some hummus on bread is going to convince the Muslims to stop hating you, and to stop raping Western women, and to stop cutting heads off Christians. Keep telling yourselves that.
762x51FMJ says
Confucius say.
Man who eat hummus on magic carpet
has Baba Ghanoush for brains.