They may indeed have had a hard time in the Islamic State. What a pity. They should not be allowed back into the United States. If a group of Americans had become Nazis and fled to Nazi Germany in 1942, would they be allowed back into the U.S. in 1944? These men are enemy combatants. Once back here, they are likely to try to wage jihad here.
“Western ISIS Fighters Discover War Is Terrible, Run Home,” by Saagar Enjeti, Daily Caller, April 28, 2017:
Western Islamic State fighters are attempting to flee home via Turkey as the terrorist group’s territory in Iraq and Syria shrinks, The Guardian reports.
Turkish security forces are reportedly capturing fleeing ISIS fighters at the Syrian border in growing numbers, although some may have slipped through. Some of the western ISIS fighters describe feeling duped by the terrorist propaganda.
U.S. citizen Kary Paul Kleman, a Muslim convert, went to Syria with his Syrian wife in 2015 to participate in what he says is humanitarian relief. Kleman told his family the information that led him to Syria “was all a scam,” but denies he was fighting for the terrorist group.
Kleman’s experience mirrors that of Mohamad Jamal Khweis, a U.S. citizen who hated life inside ISIS so much he surrendered to Kurdish security forces in Iraq. “It is very strict and no smoking there,” Khweis lamented to the press after his surrender in 2016. He continued, “my message to the American people is that life in Mosul is really very bad.”
While some fighters simply regret joining, western security officials fear they could return home to pursue domestic terror plots….
No kidding, really?
mortimer says
Lock them up at Guantanamo and deprogram them. Enemy combatants are not under the Geneva Conventions. These American-born jihadists are SEDITIOUS TRAITORS to the United States. They have renounced their citizenship and fired their weapons against their country’s military and against US allies. They have committed numerous crimes.
Modern, professional, state-of-the-art DEPROGRAMMING is the only way to liberate these DELUDED MINDS from this misogynistic, SADOMASICHISTIC DEATH CULT.
Islam turns everyone into a tortured SLAVE … this is emotionally sick! Islam is anti-life.
Porky The Crusader says
I have no time to lose for deprogramming any muslums piece of Shit.
tom parry says
Hang em in the market square and then donate his body parts (not his brain)
terry says
Tom-of course m not his brain. If a Muslim, does not have one
johan elzinga says
Shoot them on sight!
Tony says
revoke their passport and visas and leave them there, or any country that wants to take them,, we have no need for more idiots
johan elzinga says
No. Shoot them on sight. Together with their families returning from Syria.
Sons of Liberty says
Exactly, revoke their passports for treason. Do not let them back into the US these people will be battle hardened terrorists. These people made their choice and decided to join the Islamic State against the UNITED STATES. Let them live in a Muslim country now and see how bad it is ,….forever.
Rotten says
NO! Their passport should be cancelled, and never allowed back into America, Canada, Australia. Europe is so far gone, they will allow them back.
jlyn says
I’d say that judging by the direction that Trudeau is taking Canada, Canada would be happy to take the American jihadis and I suspect Canada right now would be heaven to any American jihadi should they not be able to return to the US.
Americans who leave the US to commit terrorism in other countries are enemy combatants…TRAITORS. The USA has a rule of law and we all know what happens to traitors; remember the Rosenbergs? Poor Julius and Ethel were electrocuted in 1953 for CONSPIRACY to commit espionage in the Soviet Union…. We should continue to live up to the standards that our laws that allow for dealing with issues such as Americans leaving to fight with and as terrorists. Hang them, electrocute them, gas them, shoot them, behead them, but do not let them to remain alive as they have already made their intentions very clear……I prefer the latter to any of the other means of execution since it is also happens to be one of their favorite ways that they use to kill “Infidels.” it’s fitting. Or we could throw them off of the new towers in NYC… head first……now THAT would be fitting.
BC says
Call me a cynic, and I would be honoured, but I think that is what they are saying now. I bet they were happy getting all those so called wives and the power they had over them. They are exactly the same as all those former Nazis who denied they never did anything bad.
Jeanette says
No, lock them up at YOUR HOUSE and deprogram them.
I haven’t seen anyone else here writing that they want to spend the time and money it would take just to find out if deprogramming these monsters is even possible.
Jeanette says
Do you own a company (or software) that tries to deprogram people?
mgoldberg says
These people assisted if not performed murders. They don’t get to be deprogrammed. They get to be finished or at least never to ever be in the US. But I say, that’s not enough. The homicidists of ISIS, represent the strikeforce of Jihad, of all Jihad. And to allow them life, after the horrors they’ve inflicted on others is to deny the evil and tyranny they supported and likely participated in…
Michael says
agreed, mgoldberg. should be execution. the only way to deprogram a Muslim, is to remove his or her brain. then you have a vegetable to support. sorry, but it’s us or them. if we’re not clear on that yet, they are.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Lock them up at Guantanamo and deprogram them…
Modern, professional, state-of-the-art DEPROGRAMMING is the only way to liberate these DELUDED MINDS from this misogynistic, SADOMASICHISTIC DEATH CULT.
…………………….
Mortimer, do you have a *single example* of this ever having worked?
Sarah says
I would like to see some new legislation regarding ole G-Bay.
Thanks to Obama, every idiot held there just lawyer’s up and shrieks about their human rights – before being released and paid compo.
No point sending them to G-Bay unless its run like the Black Sites the CIA apparently used during the so-called War on Terror. And deprogram what, exactly? They are not brainwashed cultist’s. Just the very worst that humanity has to offer – which is why they are so attracted to Islam. Its a doctrine and political ideology created by the very worst for the very worst.
I doubt deprogramming would help. Two in the back of the head though, just might.
Terry says
Why two? One should work just fine. Why waste perfectly good bullets?
Karen says
Mr. Kleman apparently had no access to radio, TV, print media or internet in 2015 in the U.S. Apparently he had no casual conversations with friends and family about ISIS, and never overheard someone in the subway discuss what a vicious pack of thieving, raping, murdering, rampaging, sharia-thumping Islamists they are. What a disappointed humanitarian he must have been when he arrived in Mosul …. two years ago.
Let Kleman stay in the Sharia hellhole he aided and abetted.
mortimer says
They would execute him as a deserter on the spot.
Karen says
Heh heh, heh, cough, cough. I mean, oh dear, what a pity.
Tony says
what is your point?
Ray Sears says
SO !
Jeanette says
Then how many little Muslims would that be that DON’T get dumped on the rest of the world?
Not as easy to figure as it would be if he were a female Muslim, but still …
mortimer says
SEDITIOUS TRAITOR Mohamad Jamal Khweis said, “my message to the American people is that life in Mosul is really very bad.”
BAD???
No kidding!! No medicine, no clean water, no food, no sanitation, no garbage removal, no sewage system, no cooking fuel, no soap, no tasty bacon (that Muslims love), no doctors or nurses, constant bombing and sniper fire and to top it off, NO SMOKING and NO DRINKING.
That’s ‘bad’. The Islamic paradise of jihad that they signed up for. They didn’t think their deaths would be slow lingering.
I WONDER IF THOSE SEDITIOUS JERKS WILL BE ABLE TO GET A DRINK and a SMOKE IN JAIL for the next 20 years.
Gwendolyn E Mugliston says
In my opinion they should not be allowed back into the US at any time, now or in the future. They should be tried for treason and sedition and then be hung. They do not deserve to live.
I do not understand why Americans find it so hard to understand what a wonderful country this is and has been for the only 200 or so years sit has been in operation. We are so privileged to have have a Constitution and Bill of Rights. We have free speech. Up until the last 30 years we’ve had excellent scholastic institution, medicine, social support, public health.
I do think every American should live at least 1 year in Africa almost anywhere, in India, Madagascar, the Philippine Islands…Indonesia…Central and South America as middle class residents of whatever country. Live there a year. I do not think they should do philanthropic work…just work of ordinary citizens like shop keepers, teachers, etc. Then return to the States. I think they may have a better and more realistic understanding of what we have here compared to anywhere in the world. I love it that I can walk down my street to the little store or big one and buy fresh milk, clean produce and return home to a functioning public sewage system and water supply with truly clean water. Generally, Americans don’t have a clue.
Jeanette says
In my early twenties (when I had been to 37 countries and had seen how awful both Muslim and Marxist countries were) I thought we needed to charter planes and send high school juniors (with chaperones) to the countries not considered seriously dangerous. They should have been toured on the ground so that they could see empty grocery stores, closed gas stations, and then, frail, elderly people with newspapers inside their clothes for extra warmth.
Juniors, rather than seniors, so that they could go back to their schools and have an entire school year to tell the other students about what those countries were like.
But, the money for that was probably spent on parties for politicians now.
Hello, snowflakes.
gravenimage says
I haven’t lived abroad, but I do know my history–and yes, that means appreciating the free West, and the United States in particular.
Guest says
What do you know someone is smart enough to get away from ISIS
Anne Smith says
Only because the Russians, Kurds, Syrians and (fewer numbers of) British soldiers are mopping them up and their life expectancy is pretty low. Best to let them stay there and get rid of them permanently. Surely no civilised country wants people like this back again. Best to wipe them out with all their silly ideas.
Jeanette says
It’s pretty obvious that the populations of the West need some culling, anyway.
People like this guy are the proof of that.
gravenimage says
Probably dumb luck–he doesn’t look very intelligent.
Berengaria says
I live near JACKSONISTAN, FLORIDA which is home for the Kleman Jihadist & I am concerned about his Syrian wife, who will, no doubt, want to join the rest of the Kleman Klan in Florida.
The Klemans have already made statements about “Sonny” but the Syrian Jihadist Wife was never mentioned.
Jacksonistan has the 6th Largest Syrian Muslim Community in the USA, this Jihadist Wife will certainly be in touch with Friends & RELATIVES HERE.
What Safety is planned for American Citizens in the area? NO Explanation by Florida officials has been Forthcoming, I guess we’re on our own, again.
Ed Lee says
Of course we’re on our own. Get armed. Get proficient. Not too far in the future, we will be defending our individual lives, and our way of life, on our own front porches.
Jeanette says
Get the while they are still on your driveway!
BLC says
If ISIS members don’t even like living under Sharia law, it must be bad, but they should have thought of that before they went and joined the terrorists.
terry says
Perhaps- just perhaps- Kleman REALLY did think that he was going to do humanitarian work.
And, possibly it is true that he was not fighting (or even connected to ) ISIS.
When Kerry did one of his peace proposals, there was something like 103 or more different groups-fighting. NOT INCLUDING ISIS AND AL QUEIDA (under whatever name they were using). (JW had a post or two about this).
What was his occupation in the states? Was he possibly a paramedic nurse, , or similar with medical skills ? If so, perhaps he did-naively- think he could/would do some humanitarian work.
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The other guy should just stay there.
terry says
Before (definitely more so under Obama, but I beleive long before him) the US military (basic) training was also tough. Now, it is much easier. No more ( pre Obama, cannot be blamed for this) harassment of trainees, or being anything but a compassionate big brother.
When i was in the army, (Nam era)- much harassment and humiliation by the trainers to the trainees. When I was off duty, i asked one of the trainers why. (After hours, they were human).
His response, -if, heaven forbid, you are in combat and captured, what you would go through is much worse. This is so you have a slight idea.
The US Army did not practice Sharia; and smoking (I don’t smoke,didn’t then, either-so did not bother me) was only permitted at certain times. Booze was also not allowed.
Nobody complained-or, if we did, nobody listened or (other than our parents, and possibly sympathetic friends; all trainees were in the same boat, so to speak) cared.
Same with these cry babies. WHO GIVES A DAMN. LIFE IS TOUGH
Tara says
99.99% of the so-called Liberal Muslims will inevitably support jihadists. A Liberal Muslim is a contradiction in terms. That’s why America and Europe are in the most alarming daily danger from terrorism, having welcomed them with open arms.
gravenimage says
True–very few of the “moderates” will ever stand with us against their more pious coreligionists.
anke Leibrecht says
Mortimer, I like your comments….agree with you always.
TL says
Steer that Islamic clown to Sweden, a land of porridge people. He’ll blend in, at times, with that blonde hair but look hip and progressive with his Syrian wife. The government is corrupt, so he and the Muslimah can live as parasites on welfare while planning ambushes (Koran 9:5) against soft, tasty Scandinavian porridge.
Here’s an amusing article about the paradise which awaits clown KPK and his wife.
Sorry, liberals, Scandinavian countries aren’t utopias
http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/sorry-liberals-scandinavian-countries-arent-utopias/
“You could say that we are like porridge. First we’re like small oat flakes — small, dry, fragile, alone. But then we’re cooked with the other oat flakes and become soft. We join so that one flake can’t be told apart from another. We’re almost dissolved. Together we become a big porridge that’s warm, tasty, and nutritious and yes, quite beautiful, too. So we are no longer small and isolated but we have become warm, soft and joined together. Part of something bigger than ourselves. Sometimes life feels like an enormous porridge, don’t you think?”
Jeanette says
Yuck!
I guess we’re steaks in Texas!
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
These would-be jihadis are complaining that they were not allowed to smoke. Did Muhammad ever ban the breathing of tobacco smoke? He could not have, because he died before Christopher Columbus found tobacco in 1492; tobacco is a New World plant. So how did tobacco every become haram?
https://www.thoughtco.com/is-smoking-allowed-in-islam-2004327
explains that the ban is a product of ijtihad, moral reasoning about matters not settled in the Quran and hadiths. The anti-smoking fatwas seem to date from the 20th century, long after the Gates of Ijtihad supposedly slammed shut.
Also, I wonder how these jihadi manqu’es would perform on the kind of Islam quiz that Muslim hostage takers administered to their captives in a shopping-mall takeover a few years ago:
http://nypost.com/2014/06/16/27-killed-in-militant-attack-on-kenya-town-police/
One of the questions, as I recall, was “What was the name of the mother of the Prophet (pbuh)?” The difference between their scores before and after their stay with ISIS would show how educational this experience is.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Hey Mark, serious question what *was* the name of the Holy Prophet’s mom? I need to know in case I end up in one of those Mall Moslem Activist scenarios. A guy’s got to survive. Too lazy to look it up.
utis says
Amina. Just Google it to verify. It’s on the first page of my copy of the Sirat, but like most religious documents, it’s bloody hard to get past the first page.
Jeanette says
Wonder what Amina means. Keeper of the Knives?
gravenimage says
Apparently it means “trustworthy”. Who says Islam does not have a sense of humor?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Rep Keith Ellison D-Minn should weigh in on this. He too is a convert. Now that he’s Number Two over at the Democratic Party, it’s his duty to show compassion for this young man who showed resistance. Word.
Michael says
That’s funny: ‘No smoking.’ Brother, that’s the least of your worries there …
utis says
Awww, he made a mistake. Let’s let the little psycho back into our homes and streets. He’s so young, so idealistic, so pitiable. Dontcha want him as a son-in-law?
America, he dumped you! You want him back? You get what you deserve.
JDow says
I don’t think they have earned any safe do-overs for their big blunders any more than I think I should get a do-over for any of my big blunders. They should not be allowed in with their US citizenship removed for the rest of their lives.
{^_^}
Steve says
Ah, the poor dearies. Let them live out the rest of their lives in ISIS utopia. Or they can announce their conversion to Christianity to their ISIS leaders. The rest is history,
Rotten says
Brand his forehead with the mark of the beast, and allow open season on all such animals
FYI says
The muslim convert to Christianity..
“I once was lost but now I’m found”
The Jewish or Christian convert to islam..
“I once was found but now I’m lost and…fiend”
Stick with the biblical revelation for God’s sake(not allah’s sake).
John A. Marre says
Loss of citizenship, forbidden to enter the country under penalty of life imprisonment.
Mark A says
Treason charges would be appropriate in these cases.
Why would western societies simply let these people return after they have joined, and fought for, a group which explicitly says it wants to conquer the west and impose its brand of sharia on all of us?
Jeanette says
Because the elite controllers of western societies prefer Muslims to their own people, and/or, they have a plan in which violent Muslims play a part in achieving an end that the controllers want.
Matthieu Baudin says
“…Some of the western ISIS fighters describe feeling duped by the terrorist propaganda…”
Well they would say that wouldn’t they! The most appropriate treatment for them is Military Trials with sentences served in prisons overseas; but those shown to have been involved in the murder of civilians – a firing squad.
gravenimage says
ISIS jihadis from U.S. find life in the Islamic State “very strict” and life “really very bad,” run home
………………….
And now will they wage violent Jihad here?
Just because they found the Islamic State too tough does *not* mean that they have abandoned this vicious creed.
jimbo says
hopefully; the simon weisenthal organization will find them guilty of crimes against humanity and convict them in a tribunal and issue an international shoot on sight order as was done with nazi’s that commited war crimes.
Sarah says
I commented on another article on here regarding some Australian born children whose parents dragged them to Syria and who have been found on footage, yakking away about how to kill a non-Muslim etc.
I made a comment saying along the lines of ‘do not let those little monster’s back in, no matter what.’
If I will turn my heart against Islamic kids, believe me, I can turn my heart against a grown adult. I am not heartless – it is BECAUSE of the kids – and adult’s in our nation’s that I say this. It is to keep the rest of us safe from harm and fear at the hands of people like this idiot American and his fellow buddies who ran off to join Isis.
He seems as dumb as a box of rocks. But I do not doubt for a moment that if he were allowed back into the US, he would soon be up to his ears in plotting and scheming horrendous things for the American people.
And even if he DID go there simply for humanitarian purposes as opposed to joining ole Isis – honestly. What kind of Forrest Gump level doofus goes to a country where we literally cannot keep count of the sheer number of violent factions who are all determined to brawl to the death with one another? Islam is running the show in Syria and Iraq and this is what happens when the rule of law breaks down and the dictator is either deposed, or badly weakened. Each faction just represents its own specific Islamic agenda. What kind of person with ANY sense of logic heads into that hot mess? The Syria/Iraq issues are so complex and so all-consuming that its simply not comparable with the general standard ‘war to the death because of Islam’ that we usually see – like what is happening in Yemen right now and Afghanistan.
Syria and Iraq are unique right now in that you cannot take 3 steps without tripping over a fighter from one of the factions – and the people living there are all equally divided into which faction’s they support. Remember, there are chunks of Syria where business and life is still carrying on as per usual – they’re just packed with fighters from factions that get along well enough to not lay bombs and bullets for each other. Not every part of those areas is a crazed warzone. It is, plain and simple, not a locale that is ready yet for humanitarian support. If people want to help out, they will have to wait til the dust settles, then move in and do it. Going there right now is the most illogical suicide. Thus – it is very sensible to question the motive’s of any random moron who makes the claim that they decided to head over for charitable reasons.
If any Westerner has headed over to that area for any reason, they should never be allowed to reenter their home nation. This particular situation has seen many Western governments speak out and threaten to punish any citizens who go there – so why the hell wouldn’t we punish, if these idiot’s try to return? They all knew the consequences.
Terry says
A few years ago, JW had a post about two young ladies (I think that they were about 19 or 20) WHO SNEAKED INTO SYRIA FOR THE SECOND OR THIRD TIME.
One person wrote something negative about them, and some woman poster wrote (I remember reading her comments, they were-in my view, weird, something like, they are young, and sneaking into a place is exciting. Didn’t you ever sneak into places?
Weird. Person wrote the first item stated that he lives in the US. To compare going )sneaking ) into a war zone is the same as sneaking into a movie theater is asinine.
Back, the poster was criticized for NOT BELIEVING THAT THE WOMEN WENT TO HELP. ALTHOUGH THEY WERE NOT NURSES NOR DID THEY HAVE ANY MEDICAL TRAINING, NOR DID WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY GOING KNOW OF THEM.
The man who thought that he was going for humanitarian reasons- at least, as an excuse, his wife is form Syria.
Which, i don’t think anything was mentioned of her, in the post.