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Italy: Muslim truck driver who posted jihad material to be “deradicalized”

Apr 12, 2017 1:49 pm By Robert Spencer

Yeah, that’ll work.

Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.

Well, let’s see. De-radicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:

Gitmo prisoner reveals: Saudi “deradicalization program” is really a jihad training program

11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups

Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!

Graduate from Saudi jihadi rehab program killed in Syrian jihad: “killed a large number of Christians before his acceptance by God”

Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy

Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”

Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure

Nor have they worked elsewhere:

France’s deradicalization centers seen as a “total fiasco”

“Bari Islamist truck driver to be ‘deradicalised,'” ANSA, April 12, 2017:

(ANSA) – Bari, April 12 – A Bari-area truck driver who converted to Islam and posted material praising jihad is to be “deradicalised”, authorities said Wednesday.

Alfredo alias Muhammad Santamato, 42, was flagged as a potential threat, perhaps using his truck to target civilians as in recent attacks in Nice, Berlin, London and Stockholm, police said.

His license has been confiscated and he now has to report to police while doing a special course aimed at erasing his Islamist beliefs, sources said.

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  1. Guy Macher says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 1:59 pm

    Put a bullet in his head. Deradicalized.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 3:11 pm

      Guy, Islam has a doctrine of RETRIBUTION. Deradicalization ultimately must involve CULTIC DEPROGRAMMING.

      I PRAISE ITALY FOR TAKING THE FIRST STEPS IN DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS.

      To be effective a COMPLETE, ADVANCED PROTOCOL must be elaborate that will completely deprogram Muslims RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM using modern techniques and scholarship to totally DEBUNK Islam through exposing Islam’s amorality, lacking historicity, and its self-referential INCOHERENCE.

      Once shown that it its of completely human origin, no one will be able to believe the jihad doctrine or anything else Islamic. Deprogramming is the ONLY thing that will STOP JIHAD.

      • Ian from Liverpool says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 3:58 pm

        To Mortimer.
        Deradicalising programs have failed time and time again such programs in the UK have failed so I’m somewhat confused how you have become a cheerleader for such a weak failed solution.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 6:28 pm

          DERADICALISATION is NOT the same as DEPROGRAMMING.

          Deradicalisation aims at the doctrinal emphasis. DEPROGRAMMING changes the entire world view.

          Only DEPROGRAMMING will be effective at stopping jihad because it debunks jihad and its parent philosophy. Once Islam is debunked, jihad is without value. Even on its own, jihad is inherently AMORAL and so is not morally valid activity. However, if jihad is debunked, then Islam is debunked at the same time, because jihad is the subject of about 1/3 of the Islamic source texts.

          Deradicalisation does not debunk jihad morally, but suggests merely that jihad is ‘defensive’. Anyone who has studied the Sira and hadiths can see that opportunistic jihad is the method of Mohammed.

        • jayell says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 8:22 pm

          Reminds me of the old UK saying ‘You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear’. Once the brain is infected with the Islam virus the best thing seems to be clean the whole lot out and re-install with the original (clean) software. If only that were possible! Mortimer’s idea about Deradicalisation sounds very nice, but (going back to the sow’s ear) it does seem a bit like spraying the infected object with detergent followed by a coat of quick-dry ‘Silk Finish’. Probably looks OK at first but you’ve still for a rotten product underneath and when the coating wears off…….

      • Phil Copson says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 4:24 pm

        Maybe having Western leaders who say that Islam is the chief danger to Western civilisation having killed more people in it’s history than Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Pol Pot, and Hitler combined, and will therefore be pegged back in it’s corner by force, might give them the idea ?

        • AleX says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 7:05 am

          ‘in its history’
          ‘its corner’
          [correction]

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 5:12 pm

        Mortimer wrote:

        To be effective a COMPLETE, ADVANCED PROTOCOL must be elaborate that will completely deprogram Muslims RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM using modern techniques and scholarship to totally DEBUNK Islam through exposing Islam’s amorality, lacking historicity, and its self-referential INCOHERENCE.
        …………………………

        Dear Mortimer, you are assuming that pious Muslims have a problem with Islam being “amoral”–really, it is *immoral*–but if they had a problem with that, they would not be raping small children and slaughtering peaceful Infidels.

        And Islam *specifically* rejects reason–pointing out that Islam is incoherent–which it is–will not impress devout Mohammedans.

        And finally, why would Muslims want to listen to the “filthy Infidel” in the first place? They despise unbelievers.

        A small handful of more decent Muslims do become concerned over their vicious faith and leave it on their own–but the Kuffar cannot compel them to do this,

        • mortimer says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 6:37 pm

          Dear GI, Muslims avoid ALL moral questions…turn such thoughts off… avoiding critical thought… except when they criticize the West. Islam reminds one of the novel 1984 in which they take BREAKS for two minutes of HATE , in which they are encouraged to violently HATE the enemies of Big Brother.

          Muslims HATE us during Mohammedan prayers when they recite HATE of Jews and Christians 17 times a day. This is more than two minutes.

          The brainwashing is nearly complete. MORAL ARGUMENTS have their place in deprogramming Muslims once the FACTS ABOUT THE BADLY WRITTEN KORAN come home to roost. When Muslims see that the Koran is COVERED in HUMAN FINGERPRINTS, at that moment they are ready to discuss the CALLS FOR GENOCIDE, EXTORTION, TORTURE and RAPE in the Koran and hadiths. Their world view then starts to unravel.

          Deprogramming Muslims is tough! We must do it. DEPROGRAMMED Ex-Muslims will complete the work.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 11:09 pm

          Hi, Mortimer. You wrote:

          Dear GI, Muslims avoid ALL moral questions…turn such thoughts off… avoiding critical thought… except when they criticize the West. Islam reminds one of the novel 1984 in which they take BREAKS for two minutes of HATE , in which they are encouraged to violently HATE the enemies of Big Brother…
          ……………………………..

          True, Mortimer–there is no real morality in Islam–if the foul “Prophet” did it, it is considered something to be emulated, no matter how vicious it is.

          But Muslims will kill others for not adhering to their “morals”.

          More:

          The brainwashing is nearly complete. MORAL ARGUMENTS have their place in deprogramming Muslims once the FACTS ABOUT THE BADLY WRITTEN KORAN come home to roost. When Muslims see that the Koran is COVERED in HUMAN FINGERPRINTS, at that moment they are ready to discuss the CALLS FOR GENOCIDE, EXTORTION, TORTURE and RAPE in the Koran and hadiths. Their world view then starts to unravel.
          ……………………………..

          I would love to believe this, Mortimer. But most Muslims know what their creed calls for, and they either agree with it or pretend it is not the case. Very few Muslims actually reject this savagery.

          More:

          Deprogramming Muslims is tough! We must do it.
          ……………………………..

          The problem is that it has never been done. I know you are *very* wedded to this idea–but when has this ever happened? Can you point to a single successful program?

          More:

          DEPROGRAMMED Ex-Muslims will complete the work.
          ……………………………..

          But Mortimer, Ex-Muslims were *not* deprogrammed by Infidels. Those like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Nonie Darwish wrestled with these issues *personally* before leaving Islam.

          And, sadly, there are comparatively few Muslims who are brave, decent, and intelligent enough to become apostates.

          I wish this were not the case, God knows.

      • roger woodhouse says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 4:22 am

        Before deradicalisation from Islam can begin the whole muslim community has to be educated.Islam preys on the uneducated and socially excluded.But most of all their ‘works manual’the quran has to thoroughly exposed for the fraud and evil that it is.Muslims unable or unwilling to denounce it must be encouraged to return to a country more compatible with their ignorance.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 2:14 pm

          roger woodhouse wrote:

          Before deradicalisation from Islam can begin the whole muslim community has to be educated.Islam preys on the uneducated and socially excluded.
          …………………………

          Roger, there are Jihadists who have been college educated. What about the Glasgow airport attack? The Jihadists were *doctors*.

          As for their being “socially excluded”, not always. Some Jihadists are Muslim clerics who are highly respected and have a wide social network.

          Sure–sometimes is it poorly-educated, impoverished social losers who are attracted by Jihad–but just as often, it is any pious Muslim.

          “Islamic jihad terrorists not poor and illiterate, but rich and educated”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/islamic-jihad-terrorists-not-poor-and-illiterate-but-rich-and-educated

          “New study: wealthy, better educated Muslims more likely to wage jihad”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/new-study-wealthy-better-educated-muslims-more-likely-to-wage-jihad

      • TheDane says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 6:42 am

        Islam is a Satanic cult, not merely a ‘system’ or ideas, that in particular praises death to the peoples of the Book: Christians and Jews. Therefore it is of the Devil!

        You cannot, by normal means, take islam out of a man, since islam is like an occult virus. It requires a very big spiritual miracle, and that is why moslems – even terrorists – that have converted, truly and in their hearts, to Jesus Christ, become different people that actually feel bad about what they have done!

        Christianity is the only real De-radicalization programme there is!

        • ECAW says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 6:55 am

          “Christianity is the only real De-radicalization programme there is!”

          Really? I would say that honest introspection and examination of the teachings may bring about conversion from Islam but may lead to atheism, as with Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Wafa Sultan, but will never be successfully applied from the outside (as Mortimer thinks possible but he never gives details).

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 2:40 pm

          Very true, ECAW.

          I do agree with TheDane, though, that exposure to Christianity *can* be a motivating force for some Muslims with a core of decency to begin really looking at their ugly creed. Nonie Darwish is one such former Muslim.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 12:32 pm

        Just a way to “decriminalize” what he did and continue protection and cover for Islam.

        Members of any mass murder organization are dangerous and should be removed from the general population, and since they are all at least complicit in mass murders, they should be executed where the death penalty is an available penalty.

        It just so happens that right now on Poor Planet Earth, the Muslims are by far the largest Mass Murder Cult.

        I don’t understand why anyone would want to take a chance on their loved one being the next rape or murder victim, while the authorities are pussyfooting around with “deprogramming” violent Muslims.

        Also, unless this deprogramming can successfully deal with the outrageous birth rate of Muslims, they are a problem aside from violence. They can’t support themselves, and we shouldn’t be forced to support them.

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 12:36 pm

          I don’t mean that not a single Muslim can support himself; I mean that so many of them can’t that they have massive poverty in Muslim regions of the world. And considering their 1.7 billion members, this becomes a serious problem to the rest of the world, particularly the western countries which so often take assets from their own people to “help the poor.”

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 2:50 pm

          Yes, Jeanette–that is because Islam condemns innovation and considers productive labor fit only for slaves. Of course, some individual Muslims ignore this, but it is a key tenet of Islam, and this shows in the stagnant economies of Muslim nations, and in the habits of Muslim immigrants.

    • tom parry says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 2:21 pm

      I agree, one bullet- no need to waste public funds.

    • Roy C says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 6:42 pm

      That’ll work! It’s truly mind boggling how westerners get away with this nonsense that Islam is a religion of peace. It’s almost unbelievable how seldom Barak Hussein Obama was challenged on this point. I’ve no doubt that he knows exactly what is in the Median writings but figured he could get away with it. He was correct. Of course the left rolled over (with the strange exception of Bill Maher) and so for the most part did conservatives – fearing the Islamophobia label from the left. With very rare exceptions (even on Fox) few dared simply telling the ugly truth about this hideous religion.

  2. Frank Verderber says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    De-radicalization may be posible with use of a Christian exorcism. But most of Muslims accept thier fait, because the five pillars of Islam appeal to the worst side of their carnal nature. As the Apostle Peter has written, “A dog returns to its vomit.”

    • mortimer says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 3:14 pm

      No. Logic, facts, history, textual analysis, latest scholarship. FACTS, FACTS, FACTS. No fact can be produced to support or validate Islam.

      Islam falls on its own amorality, incoherence with reality and internal contradictions.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 5:20 pm

        Mortimer, facts don’t matter to pious Muslims at all.

        There is a Muslim parable that says that reason is like a donkey–it can only get you to the Mosque. It must be abandoned to enter Islam.

        Rational thought is *despised* in Islam.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 6:41 pm

          GI, I have experience that facts do matter with pious Muslims. When you present the facts of genocide and rape from the Koran and Islamic history they clam up and stop discussing.

          Muslims cannot disprove that genocide and rape are part of Islamic history from the time of Mohammed and are approved by Sharia law today.

          Muslims try every dodge and when you bring out history and Sharia, they have no answer. The moral argument is the strongest argument. I have proved this many times.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 11:16 pm

          Mortimer, I don’t think that Muslims refusing to debate you means that moral issues are important to them.

          Historically, Islam has never had to make a rational case for itself. Instead, Muslims just use coercion and violence to shut down opposition.

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 12:40 pm

          Mortimer, No matter how many times you have proved something about Muslims, they are still committing travesties daily.

          With their vermin-speed herd-breeding program, we can’t afford to waste any time.

  3. Isntlam says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    That always works!

    • ECAW says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 5:19 am

      Great name, Isntlam 🙂

      https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/isntlam/

  4. US infidel says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    Frontal lobotomy might work

    • Oliver says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 12:24 am

      I think hooking up to an empty iv bottle for an hour or two
      With all openings open might be cheaper than a lobotomy

      Or
      If no heart condition a few nitro pills mixed in their food
      Quick and cheap

  5. John A. Marre says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    May as well go to the zoo to try to teach the monkeys not to fling shit. It’s in their nature. They will not stop doing it.

  6. Bsrat says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    What Europe and the rest of western countries need to do with this radicals is to put them in gain after serving time buy a one way ticket back to their countries shit hole and let’s see how they react to it. I bet they would definitely change their tune. Ops forgot about human rights.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      This thug is an Italian convert to Islam.

  7. Steve says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    If only the Devout Muslim Terrorist could Read and understand the HUGE LIAR MUHAMMAD WAS,there would be NO MORE Islam! Only God can fix this problem as He has allowed it to happen….

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      They would only refuse to believe the proof. We’ve got the same problem with socialists/Marxists: they believe only what they want to believe.

  8. Reuben Scratton says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    A short course of lead injections should do the trick!

  9. Vlad says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    That’s hilarious actually. The interesting question is how do they proceed with the de-radicalization.
    Are they going to put him on a course of Neuro-Linguistic programming combined with antibiotics and Aromatherapy?

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 12:44 pm

      And maybe videos of peaceful places, accompanied by soothing classical music?

  10. Irene Brekelmans says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    Mortimer, I find you very good in your comments, but this time on this radicalisation I am not with you at
    all. Because they are in a frenzy and will not listen to kafirs, only to fool you more and escape their punishments and we can pay for that until hell freezes over, but there is no hope, you have all the facts and proofs. These are the only people in the world where I have no hope for, for themselves not, neither for us. Sadly enough. They are digging their own grave, but it will affect us gravely I think, but I am sure a lot of people don’t agree with me, specially the leftists/globalists, but they are too late anyway. It almost feel like treason from them and all governments and councils, senators etc., but they were warned enough by us islamophobes or worse names

  11. IQ al Rassooli says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    The most efficient way of destroying Islam is by Discrediting Muhammad as a prophet and the alleged divine origin of his Quran as shown herein

    I dare any Muslim or any of their brain dead supporters to prove anything I reveal about the depraved Muhammad and Islam in this video as either wrong or false

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuFA1fQ-yg&feature=youtu.be&a

    Please spread to all your contacts so that more people get enlightened about Islam’s threat to humanity

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • mortimer says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 6:52 pm

      Agree that Mohammed is the greatest liability to Islam, but it is difficult for Muslims to consider his amorality.

      Every cult leader is similar in the complete lack of personal ethics, called amorality and opportunism. Mohammed was similar to all other cult leaders in this regard.

      I imagine Mohammed as someone very similar to heretical Pastor Jim Jones who believed he was an incarnation of god and behaved with complete amorality even asking his followers to kill themselves. (Mohammed ALSO asked his followers to kill themselves in his service.)

      Most cult leaders are also amoral like Mohammed in sexuality, using and abusing their followers without scruples. Mohammed’s use of slaves, children and even a dead woman for his sexual purposes show his amoral need to dominate ruthlessly.

      Once Muslims see the pattern of evil behaviors in the life of Mohammed, it may take another 10 years for them to leave Islam.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 11:28 pm

        Mortimer, I’m afraid I don’t agree that Muhammed was amoral–that would just mean that he was selfish and didn’t really care whether his actions hurt others or not.

        People who are amoral take advantage of others–but they do not deliberately harm them.

        What the vicious “Prophet” was was *immoral*–profoundly so.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 12:48 pm

        We don’t have ten years. Already many non-Muslims are dead, or have had their lives ruined by Muslim violence.

        And while the Muslims destroy, their population continues to explode.

        Assuming that they aren’t going to quit reproducing, and that the non-Muslims aren’t going to start having 8 or 10 children, the math simply doesn’t work out for non-Muslims.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 3:07 pm

        Also, Mortimer, most Muslims are all too familiar with the pattern of evil behaviors in the life of Mohammed–but far from rejecting it, they *emulate him*. Remember that the “Prophet” is considered Al-Insān al-Kāmil–“the person who has reached perfection”.

        His conduct is considered the model for all Muslims.

  12. Pal says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    Delivery Of Peace:
    https://twitter.com/bluehand007/status/850394332662288384/photo/1
    Ha ha !

    • Keys says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 8:20 pm

      Thanks, Pal. LOL.

    • ECAW says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 5:49 am

      This looks like a good outfit. Here is their website:

      http://www.bluehand.org/

  13. abad says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    The ONLY way a Muslim can be “deradicalized” is to repent (turn away from Islam), accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    There is no other way.

    Period.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      Actually, abad, there are Muslims who have left Islam and now are atheist or belong to some other faith. Ayaan Hirsi Ali–a brave Anti-Jihadist–is one of these.

      • roger woodhouse says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 7:51 am

        Leaving Islam to become ‘atheist’is more acceptable to muslims than converting to Christianity.There can be no excuse for that.!

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 12:50 pm

          That’s okay – I haven’t heard of massive groups of atheists burning people alive or crucifying small children lately.

          Let them convert to anything other than Satanism … but then that wouldn’t really be a conversion, would it?

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 3:17 pm

          Roger, I love to see Muslims leave Islam for Christianity.

          But there are also those who have left Islam and are now atheists, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan, who are now Anti-Jihadists bravely working to expose Islam. Surely you wouldn’t prefer them to still be Muslim?

  14. jewdog says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    No, he should be de-ported. It’s more effective and easier to spell.

  15. Baucent says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    I think de-radicalising is somewhat similar to “de-lousing”. Through a sort of carwash with brushes, high pressure water jets, and out the other side comes the newly clean and shiny “moderate muslim”. A remarkable process really.

  16. CrossWare says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    Deradicalization:

    – Please do not be radical!
    – No.
    – Nah please!
    – No.
    – Pleeeeeeaaase!
    – No.
    – If you deradicalise, we give you a machine gun and a truck loadad with explosives…
    – Well… Then Ok, I am not a radical now.
    – Yay we won, liberalism win again.

  17. sidney penny says

    Apr 12, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    Anne Aly says it works and Obama invited her to the White House on the summit about combating “violent extremism”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/our-woman-anne-aly-at-the-white-house/news-story/5a262f9612b5ef2e450dc3707dfc38da

    “Dr Aly brought to Washington her unique, Australian brand of fighting the lure of Islamist terrorist ideology. In a day that included speeches from senior foreign and other ministers from more than 60 countries, she told delegates of terrorism-prevention programs that bring young people together in peer-to-peer exchanges that can do much more to fight extremism than intervention from the police or judiciary or top-down lecturing”

    yes it worked so well that Australia now does not have a radicalization problem anymore and Ann Aly is now a member o Austalia’s Parliament

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/australia-muslim-prof-claims-she-got-hate-mail-after-her-deceptions-exposed

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/australia-muslim-university-research-explains-that-theres-nothing-islamic-about-beheading-women-have-equal-rights-in-islam

    “Dr Aly said extremists exploited their connection to Islam.

    “There are a minority of Muslims who turn it around and say it [certain practices such as those listed previously] is not culture, it’s religion, and that shows a lack of comprehension and a misinformed position about Islam,” she said.

    “They are using religion to try to make them seem credible.

    “Islam does not have a central authority like a Pope, we have many different schools of thought and debate is encouraged in Islam.”

    We constantly hear this. Yet we never, ever see moderate Muslims explaining how the jihadists are wrong on Qur’anic and Islamic grounds, and working to convince them of their error. They tell credulous non-Muslims, but say nothing to their fellow Muslims.”

    Robert Spencer is right.You will not hear Dr ( Professor) Ann Aly explain how the jihadists are wrong on Qur’anic and Islamic grounds, and working to convince them of their error.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 3:43 pm

      yes it worked so well that Australia now does not have a radicalization problem anymore…
      …………………………

      If only…

  18. sidney penny says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 1:13 am

    For any deradicalization to work, the person must spend one hour with Robert Spencer.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 3:46 pm

      Robert Spencer is mostly about educating Infidels.

  19. Daniel Triplett says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 1:56 am

    The only way we’re going to deradicalize them is by broadcasting across all media, 4K HD video of the blast and aftermath of Allied nuke strikes on random Dar al-Islam targets; 1 every 72 hours until all 57 OIC states surrender to our terms (Criminalization of Islam); 20 – 30 targets should do it.

    This will deradicalize them right into apostasy. The affect is swift and enemy casualty rates are comparatively small versus never-ending conventional conflicts.

    Muslims only respect force and violence. Reason and logic are a waste of time for those beholden to Allah.

  20. Matthieu Baudin says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 2:44 am

    “…His license has been confiscated and he now has to report to police while doing a special course aimed at erasing his Islamist beliefs, sources said…”

    He and his ilk should be behind bars, in Military Prisons, in single cells and without Islamic reading materials, until the current International Jihad comes to an end. If that takes another century to come about then too bad; numerous civilian lives may have been spared through their incarceration.

  21. al norm says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 2:55 am

    We still approach Islam from a rational point of view. It is irrational. It never claims that as a fact, just as a position. Rationality and logic has no place. Hence there is no counter argument. It is not consistent. Words in Arabic are not describing facts they are feelings and power. For a Muslim, anyone who points out that Islam is irrational is not stating a fact but attacking Islam. When a devout Muslim says Islam is rational – they are not stating a fact, they are stating their belief in Islam. The way to debate (even this term ‘debate’ is haram to a Muslim) is to get them excited, yelling and showing their innate irrationality to a non Muslim audience.

    • ECAW says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 6:24 am

      True, Islam is irrational because Allah is irrational. In his Regensburg address Pope Benedict pointed out this difference between Allah and God, quoting the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus:

      “”The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature….For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.”

      http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg.html#_ftn3

      Naturally, the ummah reacted with typical Islamic rationality, Several people were killed in riots including a nun shot dead in Somalia and a priest beheaded in Iraq.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 9:56 am

        Yes. Moses ben Maimon noticed that, and remarked upon it, centuries ago. And a wise man named William Palgrave, back in the early-mid 19th century, also saw it – he argued that the ‘theology’ of Islam was “a pantheism of Force”. It’s like when Voldemort in the first Harry Potter movie (in the book, it’s Voldemort’s puppet, Quirrell, who says it) proclaims “There is neither good nor evil, there is only Power… and those too weak to seek it”. That’s the Islamic mindset to a T; ‘the strong horse’. Which is why the Muslm world is full of brutal despots, large and small, and sycophantic slaves, and ravening lynch mobs.

        Islam is not just irrational but ANTI-rational. I have noticed, from time to time, here in this very forum, that Muslims, if pushed, if they encounter strong enough resistance, eventually abandon all pretence of reasoned argument and go into meltdown, even to the point of gibberish: language itself begins to desert them. Islam is not just about lying, in the simple sense, but about what a man named Harry Frankfurt, called “Bullshit”. ‘Bullshit’ is about expediency; the actual truth or falsehood of what is said, are deemed absolutely irrelevant by the bullshit artist.

        • ECAW says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 9:59 am

          Yes, anti-rational is better.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 4:34 pm

      al norm wrote:

      For a Muslim, anyone who points out that Islam is irrational is not stating a fact but attacking Islam.
      …………………………

      This is *very true*, al.

      More:

      The way to debate (even this term ‘debate’ is haram to a Muslim) is to get them excited, yelling and showing their innate irrationality to a non Muslim audience.
      …………………………

      Agreed. We have seen Muslims react this way to debates with Robert Spencer and other Anti-Jihadists.

      The only quibble I have is with Arabic–most languages can be used rationally, although they may have to import a few words if they are lacking certain concepts. Muslims certainly don’t use it rationally, though.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 14, 2017 at 8:41 am

        “The only quibble I have is with Arabic–most languages can be used rationally, although they may have to import a few words if they are lacking certain concepts…”.

        Exactly.

        The Bible has been translated into Arabic. There is Arabic Christian literature.

        Copts, Maronite Christians, and Assyrian Christians speak Arabic (though some Assyrians still speak a *sister* Semitic language, Syriac).

        I am sure that they are capable of speaking rationally.

  22. ECAW says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 5:56 am

    Good analogy.

    Is the Muslim “moderate” or “extremist” or both at the same time, like Schrodinger’s cat? Open the box to find out.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 3:20 pm

      It’s like “good cop/bad cop”. Every pious Muslim seeks the same thing: the imposition of Shari’ah law and the submission of Infidels. The only difference in most cases between “extremists” and “moderates” is tactics.

  23. Anne Smith says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 5:57 am

    Eventually those who govern will have to realise that deportation of jihadis to a Muslim country or imprisonment in concentration camps is the only answer that will protect the normal and peaceful law abiding population.

    Unfortunately it will be too late for many murdered innocents.

  24. Horseman says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 6:29 am

    Deradicalization? Dream on.

  25. Florida Jim says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 9:40 am

    Expecting someone who has been been indoctrinated for half their life into a vile religion like Islam to leave it is naive they want to rule the world and beheading infidels gains them “paradise”[I can’t imagine that with a world full of muslims who never get along with anyone even their own sect]. Look at our world wherever Islam or any Muslim goes chaos, terror and death follows and it has since the 7th Century. Islam is from Satan. Demiocrats are very much like muslims they work their entire lives indoctrinating students and snowflakes to follow them into the hellholes they created for their followers and no one who is not a democrat will live long with them. Look at Stalin and his followers millions died under him and mullions will die under a democrat.Do you think Obama, Pelosi, Schu8mer, Durbin are not potentially as evil as Stalin, listen to them deplorables comes to mind or Ann Coulter at Berkeley.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 9:46 am

      This bloke *isn’t* a ‘cradle Muslim’ indoctrinated since birth.

      He’s a native Italian, raised either as a nominal Catholic or nonrelgiious, who *converted* to Islam. His birth name was “Alfredo” (ie. “Fred”).

      Exorcism plus enrolling him in a heavy-duty cult deprogramming course *might* work, given that his ‘psycholgical foundation’ is Infidel rather than Muslim. This is assuming that he wasn’t a career criminal before he converted (ie if he were a case of ‘campus dawa’ or ‘workplace dawa’ – **it happens**, especially with the deluge of whitewashing Islamopuffery that fills our media, these days – rather than ‘prison dawa’).

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 13, 2017 at 1:01 pm

        Even if that would work, western countries are already financially depleted, putting it mildly.

        How would we pay for following a long, arduous and undoubtedly expensive brainwashing program for hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of Muslims?

        And how many years would we continue to find Muslims who have violent inclinations that were not previously obvious, who would be running up huge bills for the TaxVictims of the West to pay 20, 30, 50 years from now?

        Also, there is the problem that if we don’t move fast, they are simply going to outnumber us and outvote us, first in the UN (which seems to be happening already), and then in our own countries (already happening in the US Congress, and London has a Muslim mayor now).

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 3:11 pm

          I propose we handle domestic Muslims as follows:

          Internment camps, as we did to Japanese-Americans during WWII, are Constitutional.

          We should first pass Federal legislation making the “practice or promotion” of Islam a capital offense. Considering Islam is a crime syndicate, dressed up as a religion, this should be easy. It’s nothing but a long list of serious felonies, with Conspiracy to Murder and Sedition being right at the top.

          Then we should round up all Muslims who are currently practicing, or have a history of practicing or promoting Islam, and put them in internment camps.

          In the camps, every Muslim, with counsel, faces a tribunal where he must demonstrate via an established and vetted Taqiyya-proof method that he formally declares his Apostasy from Islam and denounces Allah and Muhammad. If his Apostasy is judged by the tribunal to be genuine, he immediately walks out the front gate as a free American Apostate.

          We should encourage, but not force, Christianity for the new Apostates.

          Those refusing Apostasy are executed swiftly and publicly.

          This is essentially the same plan we must force upon Dar al-Islam.

          I see no other solution. We’re at war, and we are losing badly. It’s time to quit screwing around.

  26. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 10:02 am

    There’s a word for this technique, which Muslims use both as individuals and as a getalt.

    It’s called “Goodcop/ Badcop” and it’s a timehonoured method of messing with people’s heads. It’s particularly favoured by domestic abusers: the guy beats his wife, then he’s all smiles, flowers and chocolate.

  27. Jeanette says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    I agree!

    And even if they can be brainwashed out of total evil in ten or fifteen years:

    1. How much would it cost us to do this with hundreds of thousands of Muslims?

    2. How many more would we have to brainwash in the future who just haven’t committed any violent acts yet?

    3. How many innocent people would die or be raped and/or maimed before an unknown massive number of Muslims is successfully brainwashed?

  28. solange silverman says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    This “deradicalization” smacks of the globalist agenda.

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