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Malaysia: Muslim MP and former Sharia court judge says 9-year-olds can marry and rapists can marry victims

Apr 4, 2017 5:02 pm By Robert Spencer

Few things are more abundantly attested in Islamic law than the permissibility of child marriage. Islamic tradition records that Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, was six when Muhammad wedded her and nine when he consummated the marriage:

“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)” (Bukhari 7.62.88).

Another tradition has Aisha herself recount the scene:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Bukhari 5.58.234).

Muhammad was at this time fifty-four years old.

Marrying young girls was not all that unusual for its time, but because in Islam Muhammad is the supreme example of conduct (cf. Qur’an 33:21), he is considered exemplary in this unto today. And so in April 2011, the Bangladesh Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini declared that those trying to pass a law banning child marriage in that country were putting Muhammad in a bad light: “Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, [putting] the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge.” He added a threat: “Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women.” The Mufti said that 200,000 jihadists were ready to sacrifice their lives for any law restricting child marriage.

Likewise the influential website Islamonline.com in December 2010 justified child marriage by invoking not only Muhammad’s example, but the Qur’an as well:

The Noble Qur’an has also mentioned the waiting period [i.e. for a divorced wife to remarry] for the wife who has not yet menstruated, saying: “And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women, if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated” [Qur’an 65:4]. Since this is not negated later, we can take from this verse that it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a prepubescent girl. The Qur’an is not like the books of jurisprudence which mention what the implications of things are, even if they are prohibited. It is true that the prophet entered into a marriage contract with A’isha when she was six years old, however he did not have sex with her until she was nine years old, according to al-Bukhari.

Other countries make Muhammad’s example the basis of their laws regarding the legal marriageable age for girls. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: “Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed.”

According to Amir Taheri in The Spirit of Allah: Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution (pp. 90-91), Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful to give their own daughters away accordingly: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house.” When he took power in Iran, he lowered the legal marriageable age of girls to nine, in accord with Muhammad’s example.

“Malaysian MP: OK for rapists to marry victims, even 9-year-olds can marry,” by Rahmah Ghazali, AsiaOne, April 4, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

KUALA LUMPUR – There is nothing wrong with a rape victim marrying the rapist, according to a Barisan Nasional lawmaker who even suggested that some nine-year-olds were “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage.

Tasek Gelugor MP Datuk Shabudin Yahaya, in trying to refute Dr Siti Mariah Mahmud (Amanah-Kota Raja), said that some 12- and 15-year-old girls looked older than their actual ages.

“When we discuss 12- and 15-year-olds, we don’t see their physical bodies because some children aged 12 or 15, their bodies are like 18-year-old women,” Shabudin told the Dewan Rakyat on Tuesday.

The former Syariah court judge added that some girls who reached puberty when they were as young as nine years old were “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage.

“So it’s not impossible for them to get married,” Shabudin said, adding that there was “nothing wrong” with a rape victim marrying the rapist as it could serve as a “remedy” to the increasing number of social problems.

Shabudin said this when debating the Sexual Offences Against Children Bill 2017 after several Opposition lawmakers suggested amending it to include child marriages as an offence.

He said that although rape is a criminal offence, the rapist and the victim should be “given a second chance to turn a new leaf in life”.

“Perhaps through marriage they can lead a healthier, better life. And the person who was raped does not necessarily have a bleak future. She will have a husband, at least, and this could serve as a remedy to growing social problems,” he said….

“The girl becomes safer when she is married rather than when she is left alone. Don’t assume they (rapists) remain bad people,” he said.

Teo’s motion to amend the Sexual Offences Against Children Bill to include child marriages as an offence was ultimately defeated by a voice vote.

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  1. Phil Copson says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    A sexual psychopath, delighting in the fear and disgust of his victims.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 4, 2017 at 6:56 pm

      … like sex addict/rapist Mohammed whom they must imitate.

      • The Confessions says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 5:09 am

        Indeed, mortimer. If it’s good enough for Mohammed to do, it’s good enough for ordinary Muslim men to do. And thus, that is why there’s a massive problem with child marriage in Islam. Sickening.

        =================================
        https://theconfessionsweb.wordpress.com

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:32 am

      The Sex & Death Cult, run by gonads-on-the-hoof.

      And I’m holding back with that description!

      • maghan says

        Apr 6, 2017 at 9:09 am

        Is it that these Malay were so primitive and backwards that they had no culture before the vile book named the Qur’an arrived on their land? Are they so stupidly low IQ that a primitive and cruel desert religion founded by a rapist bandit killer could mesmerize them so much?

        The serious question is what kinds of brains do these people have? Can they be that stupid?

    • Patricia F Koenig says

      May 11, 2017 at 10:42 am

      The minimum age for marriage, in the Roman Empire at the time of St. Augustine in the 4th century AD, was 12 years old for girls. NOT 9 years old. Mohammed started that!

  2. no_one says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    Stinky pigs.

    • Guest says

      Apr 4, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      Don’t insult pigs

  3. Halal Bacon says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    Putrid death cult of perversion, not need for the anti-Christ with Muslims running around like this

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:33 am

      I suspect that Islam IS the antichrist. And I’m starting to see that idea more and more often.

      Allah, of course, is Satan.

      Incest keeps the Muslims to stupid to figure this out.

  4. marina says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    Filthy disgusting!

    • Manuel 2 Paleologus says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 7:06 am

      I agree. It is the most disgusting and sick to my stomach to even read the idiotic and devilish cult of this perverted ‘so called religion’ which for 14 centuries brings the most evil intention against commons sense and reason. Pope Benedict XVI said clearly in Regensburg what islam is after all.
      Unfortunately, the current Pope Francis is kissing the legs of the muslims during the Holly Week while muslims kills Christians in the Middle east and bombs Coptic Churches in Egypt. The same Pope said islam is a ‘religion’ of peace.

  5. God's Warrior says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    Maybe all the North American miscreants will leave for Iran and Indonesia, for surely their sex with nine year old girls will not become legalized for decades here.

    Their great contributions to our societies will be greatly missed indeed.

    … Finally found that sarc key

    • Still Wondering says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 10:22 pm

      Strange- They do not allow girls to dance, meet boys or have a social life as most girls in this world do.
      So marrying them off early ls their answer?

  6. Veka Fitzfrancis says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    “The girl becomes safer when she is married rather than when she is left alone. Don’t assume they (rapists) remain bad people,” he said.

    Either he is willfully ignorant, or he thinks it is right and good to visit physical violence repeatedly on a rape victim. Sick bastard. I hope a coreligionist decides he isn’t compliant enough and offs him.

    • Dacritic says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 3:53 am

      He has a child rapist for a prophet. He thinks that child rapist was the greatest man who ever lived. What do you expect?

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:35 am

      How about considering that he might be plain old EVIL?

  7. gravenimage says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    Malaysia: Muslim MP and former Sharia court judge says 9-year-olds can marry and rapists can marry victims
    …………………..

    Rape and pedophilia sacralized in another Muslim nation–and this one “moderate” Malaysia.

    More:

    “So it’s not impossible for them to get married,” Shabudin said, adding that there was “nothing wrong” with a rape victim marrying the rapist as it could serve as a “remedy” to the increasing number of social problems.

    Shabudin said this when debating the Sexual Offences Against Children Bill 2017 after several Opposition lawmakers suggested amending it to include child marriages as an offence.

    He said that although rape is a criminal offence, the rapist and the victim should be “given a second chance to turn a new leaf in life”.

    “Perhaps through marriage they can lead a healthier, better life. And the person who was raped does not necessarily have a bleak future. She will have a husband, at least, and this could serve as a remedy to growing social problems,” he said….

    “The girl becomes safer when she is married rather than when she is left alone. Don’t assume they (rapists) remain bad people,” he said.
    …………………..

    So–rape is not a social problem, but rape victims being, at least, free of their rapists *is*.

    And note that this would of course not discourage rape–the rapist can now rape his victim whenever he wants.

    But then, there is no morality in Islam–the only question is whether something is “lawful” or not, not whether it is right.

    Yet more:

    The former Syariah court judge added that some girls who reached puberty when they were as young as nine years old were “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage.
    …………………..

    In other words, if raping a nine-year-old was good enough for the “Prophet”, its good enough for any pious Muslim.

    And note–this MP is a former Shari’ah court judge–someone who certainly knows his Islam…

  8. Guest says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    Bull. Fucking. Shit.

  9. Brilliant says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    Did Mohammed ask Allah whether he shld wed with Aisha before ? or

    Did he look for other girls before for his sinful sexual drive ??

  10. tama says

    Apr 4, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    was going to share debate from one of many groups on their banter about child marriage then I saw this donation running:
    http://www.islamicity.org/donate
    “HELP THE WORLD UNDERSTAND THE ISLAMIC MESSAGE OF PEACE…Provide mental vaccination of knowledge to help people resist the disease of Islamophobia”

    bleh.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 4, 2017 at 10:29 pm

      Know Islam = No peace.

      No Islam = Know peace.

    • John says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 3:25 am

      The three Arabic words translated as “peace” in English are salaam, hudna, and suhl.

      Salaam is the peace of submission. It’s the drawn out pronunciation of “slm” in “Islam,” (written Arabic has no vowels) the Arabic word for submission and obedience, and in “Moslem” or “Muslim,” the Arabic word for “one who submits.”

      There is peace, salaam, among Moslems when they submit to Allah and the teachings of the Koran. There is peace, salaam, between Moslems and kafirs, infidels, only when the latter submit to the rule of the former.

      In other words, salaam, Moslem peace, is not the absence of violence as it is for us, but the absence of disobedience. Just like it was for the Communists. In Lenin’s words:

      As long as capitalism and (Soviet) socialism exist, we cannot live in peace. In the end, one or the other will triumph—a funeral dirge will be sung over the Soviet republic or over world capitalism.[1]

      Or, as the Soviet Military Encyclopedia stated it:

      Peace is impossible without Soviet socialism. A truly lasting peace is impossible and cannot be achieved without a proletarian revolution.[2]

      Compare Lenin’s words to the words of Allah, as dictated to Mohammed in the Koran:

      Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Seize them, confine them, lie in wait for them in every place of ambush. (Sura—verse—9:5)

      Believers! Do not befriend your fathers or your brothers or your sons if they choose unbelief in preference to belief in Allah. (Sura 9:22)

      Fight those who do not believe in Allah, those who do not forbid what Allah and his apostle have forbidden, fight them until they pay tribute to the believers and are utterly subdued. (Sura 9:29)

      Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are merciless towards the unbelievers but kind to each other. (Sura 48:29)

      O Unbelievers! We renounce you. Enmity and hatred will reign between us until you believe in Allah alone. (Sura 60:4)

      Just as there could not be peace with the Soviets until we sang a funeral dirge over the Soviet Union, there cannot be peace with Moslems who believe that salaam requires Islam to be a religion of the sword.

      Hudna, the second Arabic word translated in English as “peace,” means cease-fire, a temporary truce.

      When the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, for example, proposes a hudna with Israel, it’s hailed in the Western media as a peace proposal. It is instead a tactical, temporary break in hostilities, giving Moslems time to re-organize, re-arm, then renew the Jihad against the kafirs when they can be most caught off-guard.

      Suhl, the third Arabic term for “peace,” is the most interesting, the one we must insist on Arabs using, the one they always avoid and refuse to use. Suhl means reconciliation.

      The Encyclopedia of Islam describes sulh as a concept of Islamic sharia law:

      The purpose of sulh is to end conflict and hostility among believers so that they may conduct their relationships in peace and amity….In Islamic law, sulh is a form of contract (aqd), legally binding on both the individual and community levels.[3]

      Note that it applies only between believers. Once again, it’s deuces wild with unbelievers.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 5, 2017 at 11:40 am

        In a nutshell:

        Any group that follows a book that commands that most of the world’s population be murdered is dangerous.

        ALL members of that group are potential murderers. If they weren’t, they would leave the group that follows the book that commands that everyone else be murdered.

        • High Hopes says

          Apr 5, 2017 at 1:39 pm

          I couldn’t agree more, I have often pondered if I was unfortunate to be born into this gruesome ideology I would leave and burn my slave rag in the street!

  11. LR says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 12:34 am

    The only thing people should be screaming about is that this is plain EVIL..Islam or not…To state that it is OK for a young girl to have to marry her rapist?..basically making rape OK? Start with YOUR daughter, ahole.

    I don’t give a crud what these ahole’s reasoning is….YOU do not get to make sexual torture and violation of little children OK…geez. When are people, especially the mothers going to go out into the streets and protest this insanity!

    FU pig Ghazali!

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:42 am

      He doesn’t care about his own daughter; he’s probably already raper her himself.

      Islam is what it is – evil.

  12. mousey says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:10 am

    How to get mainstream media to give these people their airtime? They should be encouraged to call up the european and american news and demand their holy voices be heard. They should threaten the media if the media continues to rob them of their due fame for their world saving views.

  13. Anti-islam warrior says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:26 am

    [He said that although rape is a criminal offence, the rapist and the victim should be “given a second chance to turn a new leaf in life”.]

    What?? The victim should be “given a second chance to turn a new leaf in life”? What criminal offense did the victim do for being raped? Apparently, in islam rape female victims are to be blamed.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:45 am

      I guess they are giving the victim the chance not to be drowned in a bucket, as a baby was in Afghanistan recently.

      The baby’s grandfather had raped her, and the mother drowned her because the baby had dishonored the family.

      It is a fool’s errand to use reason in considering Islam.

  14. Anti-islam warrior says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 1:35 am

    [“The girl becomes safer when she is married rather than when she is left alone. Don’t assume they (rapists) remain bad people,” he said.]

    How’s forcing a rape victim to marry a deviant sex predatory criminal considered being safe? Is a little girl expected to subject to constant brutal sexual assault under the guise of “marriage” for a while until the deviant criminal had enough by proclaiming 3 times “I divorce you” and then move on to the next potential “marriage” victim?

    What a stupid argument coming from followers of islam!

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:48 am

      Reason is of no value to Islam.

      Sex, death, violence, control – those are what is valuable to Islam.

  15. John says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 3:16 am

    “Religion of Peace” Islam is Arabic, so therefore, what is the Islamic meaning of “Peace”. The three Arabic words translated as “peace” in English are salaam, hudna, and suhl.

    Salaam is the peace of submission. It’s the drawn out pronunciation of “slm” in “Islam,” (written Arabic has no vowels) the Arabic word for submission and obedience, and in “Moslem” or “Muslim,” the Arabic word for “one who submits.”

    There is peace, salaam, among Moslems when they submit to Allah and the teachings of the Koran. There is peace, salaam, between Moslems and kafirs, infidels, only when the latter submit to the rule of the former.

    In other words, salaam, Moslem peace, is not the absence of violence as it is for us, but the absence of disobedience. Just like it was for the Communists. In Lenin’s words:

    As long as capitalism and (Soviet) socialism exist, we cannot live in peace. In the end, one or the other will triumph—a funeral dirge will be sung over the Soviet republic or over world capitalism.[1]

    Or, as the Soviet Military Encyclopedia stated it:

    Peace is impossible without Soviet socialism. A truly lasting peace is impossible and cannot be achieved without a proletarian revolution.[2]

    Compare Lenin’s words to the words of Allah, as dictated to Mohammed in the Koran:

    Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Seize them, confine them, lie in wait for them in every place of ambush. (Sura—verse—9:5)

    Believers! Do not befriend your fathers or your brothers or your sons if they choose unbelief in preference to belief in Allah. (Sura 9:22)

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah, those who do not forbid what Allah and his apostle have forbidden, fight them until they pay tribute to the believers and are utterly subdued. (Sura 9:29)

    Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are merciless towards the unbelievers but kind to each other. (Sura 48:29)

    O Unbelievers! We renounce you. Enmity and hatred will reign between us until you believe in Allah alone. (Sura 60:4)

    Just as there could not be peace with the Soviets until we sang a funeral dirge over the Soviet Union, there cannot be peace with Moslems who believe that salaam requires Islam to be a religion of the sword.

    Hudna, the second Arabic word translated in English as “peace,” means cease-fire, a temporary truce.

    When the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, for example, proposes a hudna with Israel, it’s hailed in the Western media as a peace proposal. It is instead a tactical, temporary break in hostilities, giving Moslems time to re-organize, re-arm, then renew the Jihad against the kafirs when they can be most caught off-guard.

    Suhl, the third Arabic term for “peace,” is the most interesting, the one we must insist on Arabs using, the one they always avoid and refuse to use. Suhl means reconciliation.

    The Encyclopedia of Islam describes sulh as a concept of Islamic sharia law:

    The purpose of sulh is to end conflict and hostility among believers so that they may conduct their relationships in peace and amity….In Islamic law, sulh is a form of contract (aqd), legally binding on both the individual and community levels.[3]

    Note that it applies only between believers. Once again, it’s deuces wild with unbelievers.

  16. Robert says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 7:25 am

    First rape a 6 to 9 years old and then marry the child to turn his crime into a glorious future for the child as a happily-married woman?

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 11:55 am

      A happily married, mutilated, routinely-raped-for-life woman.

  17. Angemon says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 7:34 am

    “Moderate” Malaysia…

  18. patriotliz says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 9:39 am

    Pedophile Prophet makes sex w/ minors acceptable but, it’s a sin and a scandal if any priests, rabbis, conservatives, Republicans do it.
    Leftists Logic:
    All “minority” cultures should be tolerated w/o discrimination.
    Islam is a “minority” culture in the West.
    Therefore, Islam should be tolerated.

    • Robert says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 9:44 am

      for me the Bill of Human Rights stand for my meseasure of ethics and Sharia law is 100% opposite to the Bill of Human Rights……..

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 12:04 pm

      I think it’s more sinister than that.

      I think the globalist lefties are using the Muslims to make a start on the depopulation goal of the globalist U.N. Agenda 2030.

      • TheBuffster says

        Apr 6, 2017 at 8:11 am

        So are these globalist fools prepared to sacrifice themselves and their families to this goal? Because once the carnage begins you can’t be sure where it will end or who will be the victims.

        Also, they’d better be prepared to lose a lot of their precious art and watch the Louvre burn.

        Eh, I don’t know which conspiracy theories to believe. But what I do know is that the road that Western leaders have put us on leads to horrors and profound loss, and whatever is their rationale, it’s effing wrong.

  19. Florida Jim says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 9:45 am

    And whom follows this “prophet?”

  20. Susette says

    Apr 5, 2017 at 10:16 am

    Unbelievable that a young child already traumatized by a vicious, violent rape can be made to “marry” the rapist and be forced to submit to continued criminal violation. Children don’t have the capacity to consent to marriage and sexual activity. They should be protected from these sexually-addicted moslem men. Where is the outrage by my liberal feminist followers? The crimes that are perpetrated on girls and women as sanctioned in islamic text must be universally condemned.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      Muslims don’t agree with you.

      They view perversion as perfectly acceptable, and apparently spend a lot of time thinking up new perversions to top the old ones.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 5, 2017 at 12:14 pm

      Westerners/non-Muslims MUST learn (no matter how painful or disgusting it is) that little girls and women are nothing more than targets for violence, and handy holes, for Muslim men.

      Little girls are better than women, because they afford a sensation to Muslim men that is much more like sex with little boys. And little girls who have been mutilated (90% of Muslim girls) would be the best.

      The issues of sex with little boys and mutilation of girls is covered in the six minutes between 29:00 and 35:00:

      http://bing.com/videos/search?q=ann+barnhardt+video+islam+sexual&view=detail&mid=78659C23DF2A43376AC778659C23DF2A43376AC7&FORM=VIRE

  21. TheBuffster says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 7:59 am

    ” ‘Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed.’ ”

    They give puberty a specific age. But it’s not an age, it’s a biological period of change. Different people enter that process at different ages.

    Also, a lunar year is about 354 days, so nine years in lunar years would be somewhat younger than 9 years in solar years.

  22. TheBuffster says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:02 am

    “Perhaps through marriage they can lead a healthier, better life. And the person who was raped does not necessarily have a bleak future. She will have a husband, at least, and this could serve as a remedy to growing social problems,” he said….

    “The girl becomes safer when she is married rather than when she is left alone. Don’t assume they (rapists) remain bad people,” he said.

    How completely clueless is this guy? How does a mind get this way?

    Oh, I know. By paying attention to a clueless dogma instead of looking at reality.

  23. B says

    Apr 6, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Yes…

    Muhammad SAW wedded Aisyah AS as she was 6 years old

    But remember this

    He married her and not raped then married her

    Don’t be a fool muslim ya akhi

    • maghan says

      Apr 7, 2017 at 4:37 am

      He thighed her too–from 6 to 9. Ask those admiring Saudi “scholars” of Islam.

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