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Michigan: Muslim doctor accused of mutilating genitals of young girls defends procedure as religious practice

Apr 23, 2017 7:23 am By Robert Spencer

This is inconvenient for the establishment media narrative that female genital mutilation is a cultural practice that has nothing to do with Islam. But Jumana Nagarwala is correct:

“Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64

Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75

“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251

“Do not cut severely,” but not “Do not cut.”

That’s why it is so common around the world. This article tries to give the impression that it is only a Dawoodi Bohra practice. In reality, it is common in areas where there are no Dawoodi Bohras. A Muslim cleric in Russia said that “all women should be circumcised.” A Muslim cleric in India likewise urged that it be done. A Muslim cleric in Australia said that Islamic law permitted the practice. A leading U.S. Muslim jurist from the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) said it was an “honor” in Islam. A marabout — a Muslim holy man — was arrested in France for having it done on his daughters.

Why do these Muslim clerics and ascetics misunderstand what is so clear to Linda Sarsour? In the UK, there were 5,500 cases of FGM in 2016 alone. It is commonly claimed to be an East African problem, but 93% of Muslim women in Malaysia have suffered this procedure, and it is common in Indonesia. In one province in Iran, 60% of the women have suffered FGM.

It is certain to become increasingly common in the United States.

“Doctor accused of mutilating genitals of young girls defends procedure as religious practice,” by Kristine Phillips, Washington Post, April 22, 2017 (thanks to Darcy):

The attorney for a Detroit-area doctor accused of mutilating the genitals of young girls acknowledges that her client performed the procedure, but she says it was part of a religious practice.

The revelation came during a detention hearing on Monday, a few days after Jumana Nagarwala was charged in what authorities say is the first case of its kind in the country. Shannon Smith said in federal court in Michigan that her client removed the girls’ genital membrane as part of a custom practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, a small sect of Indian Muslims of which Nagarwala is a part, the Detroit Free-Press reported.

Nagarwala, 44, of Northville, Mich., was charged last week with female genital mutilation, transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity and making a false statement to a federal officer. Federal investigators say she performed genital mutilations on two 7-year-old girls at a medical clinic in Livonia, just outside Detroit. The procedures were performed secretly after business hours and without medical billing records, according to a criminal complaint.

Nagarwala, an emergency room doctor for the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, initially denied performing genital mutilation on children. She told investigators earlier this month that she’s aware the procedure is illegal in the United States.

During the hearing, a federal judge decided to keep Nagarwala incarcerated while the criminal case is pending.

“I think there’s clear and convincing evidence that your client poses a danger to the community,” U.S. Magistrate Judge Mona Majzoub said, according to the Detroit Free-Press.

According to the complaint, the girls’ family traveled last February from Minnesota to Michigan, where they were brought to see Nagarwala. One of the girls told investigators that she was taken to Michigan for a “special” girls’ trip. In describing the procedure, she said it was “to get the germs out.” The other girl said she screamed after a painful “shot.” Both girls said they were told to not talk about what happened.

Nagarwala is one of two Michigan doctors arrested in connection to genital mutilation this past week.

Authorities arrested another doctor, Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, Mich., on Friday. Federal prosecutors say Fakhruddin Attar owns the clinic where Nagarwala performed genital mutilations, while his wife, the clinic’s office manager, assisted during the procedures.

The Attars have been charged with conspiring to perform female genital mutilations on minor girls.

Fakhruddin Attar told investigators that Nagarwala saw patients, girls between ages 6 and 9, at his clinic about five to six times a year, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday. He said Nagarwala saw the patients for problems with their genitals, including treatment of rashes. The visits were usually after clinic hours, on Friday evenings or Saturdays, he told investigators.

His wife, Farida, comforted the girls during the examinations by holding their hands, Fakhruddin Attar told investigators.

Investigators say they believe that Nagarwala mutilated the genitals of several other children at Attar’s clinic between 2005 and 2017.

Federal child forensic interviewers have talked to several Michigan children who said that Nagarwala had performed genital mutilation on them. Two parents said the doctor performed the procedure on their daughter, while others denied knowing anything about it, according to the complaint.

Investigators also say that Nagarwala and the Attars are members of the same religious community.

Female genital mutilation remains common among the Dawoodi Bohras who mainly live in India. But some members of the religious community have come out to rebel against the practice, according to a report by the Los Angeles Times.

Two online petitions, started by a group called Speak out on FGM, is seeking to end female genital mutilation in India and has so far garnered a total of more than 200,000 signatures. The practice is known as “khatna” in the Dawoodi Bohra community.

One of the petitions’ writers argued that the practice, held in secret and usually without consent, is more of a cultural one, and “has nothing to do with religion.”

“The Dawoodi Bohras are amongst the most educated in India, yet we are also the only Muslim community in India to practice FGM,” the writer wrote. “Most of us are too scared to speak out publicly. We fear ostracization, social boycott and exclusion of our families from the rest of the community by our religious clergy if we object to the continuation of this practice.”…

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 7:28 am

    Lock her up with her “religious practices” and throw away the keys!! Barbarians – some times it is religious and sometimes it is a custom – whatever suits them – liars and hypocrites!!

  2. JawsV says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 7:48 am

    We’re letting in their barbaric customs, too. The “Let ’em in” folks don’t seem to realize that.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 8:12 am

      Aztec accused of cutting out heart of living victim defends it as ‘his religious practice’.

      How about… 1) FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE IT ISN’T AGAINST THE LAW… 2) MOVE THERE … 3) STAY THERE ???

      Don’t like US laws??? Then leave.

      Muslims need to be told firmly upon entering that backward Sharia law is not welcome. Sharia law is barbaric, discriminatory, misogynistic, draconian, backward. Discriminatory Sharia law has no place in a modern, egalitarian society.

      • Lauren Hermann says

        Apr 23, 2017 at 10:39 am

        Amen! I couldn’t have said it any better, Sir!

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 23, 2017 at 3:45 pm

        Spot on, Mortimer.

      • epistemology says

        Apr 24, 2017 at 7:53 pm

        Your list is absolutely correct, sharia is barbaric, inhumane and totally incompatible with any civilization, not only the Western one. Those who want to abide by sharia law can go to hell where they belong

    • Vernon says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 7:58 am

      Just proving that stupid is as stupid does!

  3. mike9a says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 7:54 am

    What is next? Killing kuffars/infidels is religious practice!

    • mortimer says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 8:22 am

      9a wrote: “What is next? Killing kuffars…”? Answer: Yes…and it is already.

      Tabari 9:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who DISBELIEVE, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. KILLING them is a SMALL MATTER to us.”
      Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must SLAUGHTER before collecting captives. A slaughtered ENEMY IS DRIVEN from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah DESIRES KILLING them to MANIFEST the religion.’”

    • JawsV says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 9:03 am

      Sure is, mike9a. It’s called Jihad and it’s in the Koran.

    • mike9a says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 10:48 am

      Sure, handful of us know that killing Kuffars is on ongoing process for 1400 years, the very reason for existence of JW web site and tireless work of Robert Spencer and others. We KNOW, thanks to their killing manual, Quran, What I am worrying and concerned is that this ridiculously stupid justification, “religious practice” will find the way and soon could be sold to two brain cells politicians (line stolen from IQ). I cannot educate, mostly ignorant surroundings, with: take a look for yourself into Quran or trying to explain them what is going on…From my experience, I have very little time to converse with them so, all my responds have to be short, to the point and sarcastic, no other way to deal with ignorant and uninformed infidels.

    • carol says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 10:35 pm

      What’s next mike9a might be discount, assembly-line baby hoodectomies. See how the Islamicized Indonesians do it these days and read their contemptible rationales (such as would befit various and sundry of their great hairy leaders). Some say only complete barbarity has ever stopped the religious fanatics of Islam. This “idiot’s ideology ” needs to be wiped out.

      The Day I Saw 248 Girls Suffering Genital Mutilation
      https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/nov/18/female-genital-mutilation-circumcision-indonesia

  4. IQ al Rassooli says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 7:59 am

    The judge should ask both her and her lawyer to PROVE where in Muhammad’s Quran the word CIRCUMCISION appears

    Since it is no where in Muhammad’s Quran, how is it that she claims it is in her religion?

    Neither Muhammad nor ANY of his followers or companions EVER circumcised themselves; hence it is not even Sunna

    Even if it were in her PERVERTED belief system, it is PROHIBITED under US law thus she is practicing Sharia to SUBVERT US law

    As ALWAYS, Muslims use DUPLICITY, MENDACITY and whine using their ever ready VICTIMHOOD card when in FACT they are the Aggressors and Law breakers

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • mortimer says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 8:16 am

      e4.3 Circumcision is OBLIGATORY (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)

      Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
      Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri

      • mortimer says

        Apr 23, 2017 at 8:23 am

        The Sunna has equal value to the Koran for SUNNITE Muslims.

        • IQ al Rassooli says

          Apr 23, 2017 at 8:51 am

          Dear mortimer

          Although Sunna is not only Equal but sometimes supersedes Quran, nonetheless Muhammad was UNCIRCUMCISED and so were each and every single one of his followers and companions

          There is not a single record in Islam that ANY male convert to Islam was circumcised

          In the Hadiths it is only ADVISED as a good thing BUT not enforced

          Most male Muslims later on were circumcised age 13 the same as ISHMAEL

          Circumcision and FGM are not MANDATED in Islam

          IQ al Rassooli

          Kafir & Proud!

        • salim says

          Apr 23, 2017 at 1:56 pm

          Mortimer: “sunna has equal value to Quran for sunnite Muslims”

          Really? where did you get the information from?

          Sunni Muslims are taught, and believe, that sunna is SECOND to Quran. A Muslim can reject the hadiths he doesn’t like and remains a Muslim but cannot reject one verse, or word, of the Quran.

          I was a sunni Muslim but never came across a sunni Muslim who believes sunna has equal value to Quran. Whats more, there is an increasing number of sunnis who are distancing themselves from most (or all) of ahadith.

          I do have a feeling that I am rediscovering Islam. An Islam based on the ‘reliance of traveller’ , a book that most Muslims don’t even know it exists.

          IQ Rasooli: “Sunna is not only Equal but {sometimes} supersedes Quran”.

          {sometimes} sunna explains the Quran, like the number of ‘raka’at’ in prayers. When Muslims copy Mohammed’s prayers they do not supersede or contradict the Quran. Even as they do so, none of them believes that sunna is equal to Quran.

          However, I agree with the rest of your comment.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2017 at 4:07 pm

          Salim and IQ al Rassooli–with all respect–trying to defend a ban on FGM citing Islamic sources is bound to fail. Too many pious Muslim clerics defend the practice on Islamic grounds:

          “Muslim cleric urges female genital mutilation”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/muslim-cleric-urges-female-genital-mutilation

          “Russia: Muslim cleric says ‘all women should be circumcised’”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/russia-muslim-cleric-says-all-women-should-be-circumcised

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2017 at 8:47 pm

          J. MacDonald wrote:

          Dear Salim:
          Are you really a muslim?
          …………………………

          J. MacDonald, Salim is an *ex* Muslim.

    • Demsci says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      So interesting what all of you say. IQ al Rasouli, Salem, Mortimer, Gravenimage.

      I learned from Jay Smiths lectures that only after 900 AD the so called Tafsirs “took off”. Smith said Al-Tabari was the first. And I guess Tafsir culminated in the 4 Islamic Schools of thought’ Shari, Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki. And in Al Azhar university in Cairo, which published the Reliance of the Traveler (if I am well informed). Now, these Tafsirs and Islam-scholars greatly explained and clarified the Quran-Hadits-Sira, yet are they as authoritative as these holy texts???

      Now, we see that not one word of the Quran may be doubted by Sunni and I guess all Muslims.

      But now some of you argue that a Muslim can remain a Muslim when he rejects some of the Sunna. And often it is said by Muslims, and I don’t know if it is true, that they are NOT bound by what Islamic scholars, like the Tafsirs, say. They may in great numbers follow their lead, but when it suits their purposes to deceive infidels, THEN some (especially Quran-Only Muslims) claim they do NOT (have to) follow these above mentioned Tafsirs/ Islamic Scholars.

      What does this differentiation among the several Holy Texts of Islam and the lack of authority over doctrine in Islam means to me is that thereby Islam can be CONDEMNED as being hopelessly UNCLEAR, Contradictory, Confusing.

      It gets further unclear when many other Muslims claim that the verses of Quran and Sunna are only DESCRIPTIVE and no longer PRESCRIPTIVE. And when others claim that the Meccan verses with peaceful content are abrogated, while both lying and reform-minded Muslims claim they are not abrogated.

      Yet not one iota of Quran-Hadith-Sira may be changed and no augmenting to them is allowed.

      Consider our own laws; they have been carefully worded, reviewed and passed into law by our parliaments, if then circumstances changed or if it was shown that interpretations varied and led to confusion and strife, it always was possible for parties and parliaments to update, specify, amend our laws. And always, the passed laws had the authority to declare what they did mean or did not mean. Citizens under our own laws get far less latitude to interpret our laws than Muslims get to interpret theirs. Even our political parties can throw out deviants of party tenets, but in Islam you cannot even GET out, let alone be thrown out.

      And this conclusion of Islam because of all this being unclear/ multi-interpretable must be coupled to the evidence that hundreds of millions interpret this whole mess, from the Quran downwards in time so to speak, in a very anti-democratic way.

      And IMO it should also be coupled to accountability for choice of religion, for being in such a confusing and massively badly and hostile, dangerous interpreted religion.

      Instead political correct people behave as if Islam, though mysterious to them, is only “one more religion”, of no bad influence, and somehow itself peaceful and harmless, while so called “Islamists” are the only enemies, but they are the ones that “pervert Islam”.

      While no political correct person seems prepared to hold Muslims accountable for adhering to such a religion, without any conditions on them about their interpretation of it’s core texts.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 23, 2017 at 9:07 pm

        Hi, Demsci. Remember the Qur’an itself is hideously violent. Not only are there very few Qur’an-only Muslims–and those few who exist are regarded as “heretics”–but that is no guarantee of Muslim peacefullness, either.

        From what I have seen, the “Qur’an-only” thing is mostly being touted to hopeful Infidels who *wish* there were a large population of Muslims who have rejected violent Jihad.

        • Demsci says

          Apr 24, 2017 at 4:27 am

          Hi, GI, completely understood and agreed.

          It is just that this “religion”strikes me as untrue, useless for mankind, even if useful for Mohammed, some Muslim elite and a non-existent Allah.

          And on top of that Islam is without binding authority and therefore rife with rejection of parts of holy texts and cherry picking.

          and therefore to be defined as Multi-interpretable for Muslims, who with each different interpretation remain Muslims, who, at the end of the day will overwhelmingly chooses for their fellow Muslims and against all Kafirs.

          All the while Muslims and politicians like Obama who “explain Islam” to outsiders deceive them by insisting Islam is clear and their version of it is the only valid one. But it isn’t, and the most violent hostile interpretations indeed seem to be the most valid interpretation.

  5. mortimer says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 8:14 am

    ‘PRIMUM NON NOCERE” (firstly, do no harm). But NOT if you are a Muslim doctor who believes in backward, 7th century misogyny.

  6. Monty says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 8:14 am

    Let them practice their barbaric customs in Muslim countries. Not here. Not anywhere that democracy and freedom matter (if there is anywhere left now).

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 1:50 pm

      Confine Muslims in the middle east, and let the Muslim lovers go there.

      Get the non-Muslims currently there out of the Muslim region.

      Do NOT spend taxpayer money to rescue non-Muslims who choose to go to the Muslim region.

      Do NOT send taxpayer money to Muslims because their nasty habits have made them sick.

      Do NOT send taxpayer money to Muslims because having 10 to 20 children per female has strained their resources.

      Let them kill each other off until there is only one left. And WATCH that one closely!

      That is the only way we are going to rid the Earth of the greatest evil ever.

  7. utis says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 9:33 am

    There have to be limits to freedom. Reason-based limits. I had a running joke with myself about a Ba’al worshiper defending his right to sacrifice his kid to Ba’al. It’s not a joke anymore. Allowing honor killings and FGM is the same insanity as letting adults sacrifice their kids on an altar.
    This meme of not criticizing religion has got to stop. FGM is child abuse, and the god who demands it is crap and the compliant worshipers are morons.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 1:45 pm

      Ba’al, Moloch, Satan and Allah are very likely all the same entity.

  8. john spielman says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 10:08 am

    revoke her license and deport her (if necessary strip her of her citizenship )

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 1:43 pm

      And confiscate everything she owns in this country. Part of the money to pay to deport her, and the rest to go to a fund for educating American women about MFGM. (Muslim female genital mutilation – let’s start making sure that “Muslim” is attached to the crime.”

  9. Messianic Fuzz says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 10:38 am

    A question to the nice doctor…How about you volunteer to be next?

    • abad says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 1:46 pm

      Chances are she already had it done when she was a child and wants to make sure she passes on this “time honored Muslim custom” to other Muslim girls

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm

        Yes–almost certainly so.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 24, 2017 at 1:41 pm

        The Muslims are beginning to call for ALL females to be Muslim-genitally-mutilated. At least one Muslim cleric has made an international demand, and Huma Abedin’s mother writes and publishes books in an effort to force mutilation on all females.

        Why can’t American women put their thinking caps on?!!!!!

  10. Barry says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 11:00 am

    …So FGM is a ‘religious practice’ in (I assume) Islam….but so is extortion (Jizya), robbery/ theft from kuffar, polygamy, obtaining sex slaves, wife beating, honor-murder, murder of kuffar….per big Mo’s example of his ‘religious practice’ of beheading Jews….maybe some day I’ll get a notice in the mail telling me my scheduled beheading is at the beheading center at the town square..and be 15 minutes early for check-in and preparation…….

  11. somehistory says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    Freedom for a fist ends where another’s nose begins. Religious or not. Custom or practice.

    She admitted she knew it was against the law as a *defense* against having done the crime.

    She cannot now say that she didn’t know it was against the law. Religion is what she is falling back on for having committed sexual assault, calling it a *medical* procedure, on young girls.
    They could try her as a molester and if ever released, she would have to register and would never be allowed near children again.

    • Nienie says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 1:16 pm

      Yes! CHILD MOLESTER! Should have medical license revoked & be imprisoned in solitary confinement for 20 years, and then DEPORTED!

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 24, 2017 at 1:38 pm

        But make her family pay for food and other necessities in prison, like Mexico does.

        I’m fed up with paying to support primitive savages in this country.

  12. pnr says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    we need advanced metaphysical surveillance techniques: remote viewing etc.

  13. abad says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    “Nagarwala, an emergency room doctor for the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, initially denied performing genital mutilation on children. She told investigators earlier this month that she’s aware the procedure is illegal in the United States.”

    But she did it anyways.

    In short, her rebellion to assimilate makes her unsuitable to live in the western world. Nagarwala and her entire family need to be deported to Syria.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 24, 2017 at 1:36 pm

      As one Swede said after Muslim rapes of young Swedish school girls:

      Muslims are not civilized enough to live in civilized countries.

  14. Mockingjay says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    “This is inconvenient for the establishment media narrative that female genital mutilation is a cultural practice that has nothing to do with Islam.”

    – I don’t think this should be inconvenient at all for the leftist media. They just need to be a little more consistent and stick to their narrative that islam can never be bad, because then female genital mutilation done in the name of islam wouldn’t be bad either.

    Problem solved.

  15. gravenimage says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    Michigan: Muslim doctor accused of mutilating genitals of young girls defends procedure as religious practice
    ……………………….

    I guess this not-so-good doctor did not get the memo that one is not supposed to admit this in the West–not yet, in any case.

    This also implies that he will not stop unless we stop him. This is *exactly* what we need to do–try him and strip him of his medical licence.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 4:18 pm

      Sorry–stop *her*. This is the second story about a Muslim “doctor” performing FGM in Michigan in as many days.

  16. Undaunted says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    Am I the only one who wants to bitch-slap that shitty little smile off her face?

    • Lynn says

      Apr 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm

      No. It tempts me, too!

  17. Shan says

    Apr 23, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    What is so clear to Linda Sarsour can only be done with taqqiya.

  18. Ver Auger says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 4:36 am

    It is so disappointing to still be arguing over ancient superstitions in the 21st century. I vote against all this nonsense = it is all rubbish. How about no unnecessary surgery, especially for children under the age of 21. No gender reassignment surgery, no circumcisions of any type, no tonsillectomy unless truly needed. We are probably also doing too many appendectomies; the latest research shows that this portion of the immune system can be preserved if treated promptly with proper antibiotics when infected. At age 21, let them have every unwanted part removed, at their own expense, if they still want to be rid of these various folds and flaps. Somehow, I think most people will choose to keep all their parts. Circumcision? Let’s not, and say we did.

  19. Lioness says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    Stoning women for adultery is also a Muslim cultural practice. Can’t wait for that defence to make it to court.

    • carol says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 11:24 pm

      I suppose it would be good for a laugh if someone were to ask “Can muslimas have ‘temporary travel marriages” just like their virtuous menfolk can?”

  20. Carolyne says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    I know a better way to curb “Promiscuity.” Lorena Bobbitt performed the procedure on her husband.

  21. boakai ngombu says

    Apr 24, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    “Most of us are too scared to speak out publicly. We fear ostracization, social boycott and exclusion of our families from the rest of the community by our religious clergy if we object to the continuation of this practice.”…

    this is how SHARIA is integrated into the legal structure of any society the slaves of the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) encounter.

  22. patriotliz says

    Apr 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    I shudder every time a Christian conservative boldly talks about their constitutional religious “freedoms.” As long as Islam is stupidly considered a “religion”… I don’t want Muslims to have freedom to practice their “religion” according to their “religious” teachings, beliefs, customs, etc. Their “religion” stinks and is a threat to humanity.

    • carol says

      Apr 25, 2017 at 11:34 pm

      It’s like a balloon (bag of wind) – no one is allowed to puncture it for then the gig would be up.

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