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Muslim Chechnya opens first concentration camp for homosexuals since Hitler

Apr 10, 2017 3:38 pm By Robert Spencer

They’re not killing them outright: they must be moderates. The Qur’an contains numerous condemnations of homosexual activity: “And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’…And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals.” (Qur’an 7:80-84)

Muhammad specifies the punishment for this in a hadith: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)

More on this story. “Chechnya opens world’s first concentration camp for homosexuals since Hitler’s in the 1930s where campaigners say gay men are being tortured with electric shocks and beaten to death,” by Thomas Burrows, MailOnline, April 10, 2017:

Chechyna has opened the first concentration camp for homosexuals since Hitler, where campaigners say gay men are being tortured with electric shocks and beaten to death.

It comes after it was claimed 100 gay men had been detained and three killed in Chechnya last week.

A report by Novoya Gazeta said authorities had set up several camps where homosexuals are killed or forced to promise to leave the republic.

One of the camps is reportedly at the former military headquarters in the town of Argun.

Svetlana Zakharova, from the Russian LGBT Network, told MailOnline: ‘Gay people have been detained and rounded up and we are working to evacuate people from the camps and some have now left the region.

‘Those who have escaped said they are detained in the same room and people are kept altogether, around 30 or 40. They are tortured with electric currents and heavily beaten, sometimes to death.’

One of those who escaped told Novoya Gazeta that prisoners were beaten to force them to reveal other members of the gay community.

Another prisoner who fled said that before being incarcerated in one of the camps, he had been forced to pay bribes to Chechen police of thousands of rubles every month in order to survive.

Now the regime had taken another step against gays by creating these camps, the survivor said.

Alexander Artemyev, from Amnesty International in Russia, told MailOnline: ‘We can only call on the Russian authorities to investigate the allegations. Homosexuals in Chechyna are treated very harshly and prosecuted daily and they are afraid to talk about it.

‘They either have to hide or leave the republic. We are keeping in touch with the LGBT network that helps people in Russia to find shelter. The problem is people there cannot talk about it as it puts their lives and those they speak to, in danger. This is the main issue we are facing in Russia and the main challenge.’

Ekaterina Sokirianskaia, Russia project director for the International Crisis Group, told MailOnline: ‘The story is very much developing…victims are escaping.’

Tanya Lokshina, from Human Rights Watch in Moscow, said: ‘For several weeks now, a brutal campaign against LGBT people has been sweeping through Chechnya.

‘These days, very few people in Chechnya dare speak to human rights monitors or journalists even anonymously because the climate of fear is overwhelming and people have been largely intimidated into silence.

‘Filing an official complaint against local security officials is extremely dangerous, as retaliation by local authorities is practically inevitable.

‘It is difficult to overstate just how vulnerable LGBT people are in Chechnya, where homophobia is intense and rampant. LGBT people are in danger not only of persecution by the authorities but also of falling victim to “honour killings” by their own relatives for tarnishing family honour.’

Last week Novoya Gazeta said Chechen police had rounded up more than 100 men suspected of being gay and killed three.

It claimed that among those detained were well-known local television personalities and religious figures.

President Razman [sic] Kadyrov, who is a key ally of Vladimir Putin, allegedly ordered the clampdown, although officially his regime denied the arrests claiming ‘it is impossible to persecute those who are not in the republic’….

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  1. ich says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    And CNN says…………………..ummm…….crickets

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 4:24 pm

      ich, CNN covered this story, from just a few days ago:

      “Gay men go missing in Chechnya, reports say”

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/europe/chechnya-gay-men-reported-missing/

      And the Daily Mail reported the story above. I’m *glad* this is being covered by the MSM.

      • mortimer says

        Apr 10, 2017 at 4:33 pm

        They can all be murdered in a single afternoon.

      • Peggy says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 11:32 pm

        Me too. What I don’t like is that MSM pick and choose which gay murders they will cover and which they won’t.
        Is a gay man in Chchnya worth more than a gay man in Iraq?

  2. plum says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    ah

    time for them to blame the Christian Serbs again, so the Bosniacs can get the Euros and Americans to fight their jihad and kill more Christian Serbs.

    • Tony says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 6:17 pm

      Oh this one is so simple – 1) Blame global warming; 2) Blame Donald Trump (it used to be George Bush); 3) Blame the oil companies; 4) Blame ALT-RIGHT; 5) Blame the Jews/praise the Moslem’s/ignore the Christians; 6)Blame Putin.

      • Benedict says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 8:15 am

        I agree with you. The liberals and the left will think of something on these lines

        • Terry says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 5:02 pm

          Maybe not Putin-if he is pissed at Trump.

          But definitely Trump first; I would add Fundamentalist Chrisitians rather than Putin

    • Eur says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 2:23 am

      Albania and Kosovo are probably the places in Europe where young people have less opportunities to build a future. It is the Maghreb of Europe … coincidence? I do not think so. They are Muslims, that is the main problem.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 3:02 pm

        Very true, Eur.

    • b says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 3:28 am

      Do you know where Chechnya is? it is nowhere near Bosnia and Serbia

      • Eur says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 4:40 am

        I know, I’m European. I just wanted to convey the difference of mentality between a European Muslim society and a non-Muslim society. Maybe I do not explain myself well because English is not my language, I apologize .. For years the idea that the Chechens were fighters against Russian imperialism has predominated … and it turns out that they are exactly the same crap and Islamic as the rest of Muslim societies. Fascists. Russia is also a homophobic society( Also Poland … in general all the countries of Eastern Europe. )but nothing to do with Chechen society, Kosovo, Albania … Islam should be banned, they always do the same.

        • pamameen says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 5:26 am

          Utter nonsense, mixing up the ideas and practices of bigots with the principles and beliefs of 1,600 million main stream Muslims of the world This is sheer prejudice and hatred

        • pamameen says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 5:28 am

          Girls learn from women how to be Mommies. Boys learn from men how to be Daddies. If you screw with that system, the potential exists that it could interfere with our ability/desire/instinct to reproduce.

          It is a potential dilemma.

          Studies do indicate that children of homosexual parents have an increased statistical likelihood of also becoming homosexual.

          Because if you give homosexuals the right to marry like NORMAL people, then you are saying, “Hey, you’re normal.”

          You illustrate a point here when you say, “You want them to remain abnormal.” The fact is, they are abnormal. And even if we give them the right to marry would make them not “normal.”

          THREE things could happen. Homosexual marriages could have a positive effect on society.
          Homosexual marriages could have a negative impact on society. Or
          Homosexual marriages could have no impact on society.

          There is not currently enough data collected to determine what impact has a higher potential of occurring, so therefore, it should be studied longer to make that determination before we embrace it as “normal.”

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 2:54 pm

          pamameem

          “Utter nonsense, mixing up the ideas and practices of bigots with the principles and beliefs of 1,600 million main stream Muslims of the world. This is sheer prejudice and hatred”

          Do the 1.6 BILLION Muslims follow the Operator’s Manual for Muslims (the Koran), or not? The pertinent infidel-hating passages from the Koran are posted here regularly, so the “Islam is the religion of peace” line won’t work here.

          There is a population in America that is ignorant enough to believe that line, but it isn’t the one here.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 3:07 pm

          I knew what you meant, Eur.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 3:30 pm

          Apologist for Muslim savagery pamameen wrote:

          Utter nonsense, mixing up the ideas and practices of bigots with the principles and beliefs of 1,600 million main stream Muslims of the world This is sheer prejudice and hatred
          ……………………….

          What rot. Right now, Gays are being put in concentration camps in Chechnya, are being hanged in the Islamic Republic of Iran, and are being thrown off roofs in the Islamic State.

          Omar Mateen committed the worst mass shooting in US history when he slaughtered forty-nine people at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando.

          Muslims now regularly attack Gay people on the streets of Europe.

          This is all done on the tenets of Islam, and on the model of the vicious “Prophet” Muhammed, who urged his savage followers to murder those who “did as Lut’s people did”.

          Note that panameen does not consider this oppression and murder to be “sheer prejudice and hatred”–only daring to point it out.

          Note further that this Muslim apologist does not actually condemn the slaughter of Gay people at all.

          More:

          Girls learn from women how to be Mommies. Boys learn from men how to be Daddies. If you screw with that system, the potential exists that it could interfere with our ability/desire/instinct to reproduce.

          It is a potential dilemma.
          ……………………….

          Muslim children also learn how to slaughter Infidels and the “insufficiently Islamic”, such as Gay people from their “Mommies and Daddies”.

          I am sure panameen does not want anyone “screwing with” *that* system, either.

          More:

          The fact is, they are abnormal.
          ……………………….

          And the Muslim response to such “abnormality” is to butcher them. *Ugh*.

  3. .Terry says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    And, if pres trump would add Chechnya to the list of places where people (from) ) would have to be extremely vetted, the liberals and their gay, lesbian, trans etc friends would be the FIRST TO DENOUNCE HIM.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Which will get them killed if they get what they want – America taken over by Muslims. If that happens, they will be known then to have been working to commit suicide.

      Maybe that’s why Michael Savage calls liberalism a mental disorder.

      • Michael says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 5:21 pm

        I think Savage is right. He has said that for a long time. And I think it’s literal. Physical changes have happened in the brain, and actual critical thinking has become difficult, if not impossible.

        Liberalism, tolerance, the left — it seems to be a mentality that can no longer distinguish between good and evil.

        The brain can no longer critically identify threats, or perhaps more accurately, differentiate between immediate threats, and long-term threats. The capacity for in-depth examination and analysis and discussion — and conclusions from that — seems lost. Instead, it is a knee-jerk reaction against that very process of actually having to look at something, look beyond what we first see, and truly dig into it. i.e., think. question. seek out information.

        The brain doesn’t want to seek out information, supporting or otherwise. Instead, it wants to be ‘right.’ It wants to feel ‘good.’ Answers must come immediately. Understanding, per se, doesn’t exist, nor is it sought. Just ‘I want a resolution now, and this is what I have decided.’

        Incredibly easily swayed. Mob mentality rules. Looking outside for validation, direction, confirmation, what to think, how to act — it seems to be everything. The inner world of thought has been perhaps critically, fatally damaged in vast numbers of people. We have been conditioned to seek pleasure, instantly, gratification quickly, and anything that requires hard work, we simply reject.

        This mentality cannot see that which will kill it. it cannot identify something that threatens their own lives, because doing so requires serious — although not extensive — research. And it may contradict their belief systems — and we protect our belief systems with our lives. Just as Muslims protect their belief systems, inculcated from birth, with their lives. I’m not sure they are a lot different. And Islam could not spread their beliefs, without the beliefs on the ‘receiving’ end — ‘tolerance above all.’

        it’s a serious puzzle, perhaps important to figure out; then again, I’m not sure it is important. Liberals — in general; nothing applies to everyone — are not part of this fight. If anything, they won’t fight for freedom; they will fight for their, and our, destruction. They fight for ‘tolerance of all,’ the very thing that will kill us if we don’t use our critical thinking. In that way, they really are the enemy. The enemy within are not only Muslims. Perhaps the greater enemies are those who refuse to stand up to it.

        As the saying goes with which we are all familiar: ‘All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing.’

  4. gravenimage says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    Muslim Chechyna opens first concentration camp for homosexuals since Hitler
    ………………..

    This is *horrifying*.

    Where is Christianblood to tell us how benign Shari’ah is in Chechnya?

    • Wellington says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 4:33 pm

      “Where is Christianblood to tell us how benign Shari’ah is in Chechnya?”

      Either simply hiding or busy making up yet another excuse for how wonderful Putin is, along with (yet again) how awful the West is. .

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 10, 2017 at 5:21 pm

        Grimly true, Wellington.

        Asked about the murder of homosexuals in Chechnya, a spokesman for Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told CNN that the reports were “a question for law enforcement — it’s not on the Kremlin’s agenda.”

        “We don’t know how much of it is true,” Peskov added. “I’m not an expert in the field of non-traditional sexual orientation.”

        This is from the CNN article I linked to above.

        Of course, this has *nothing* to do with being “an expert in the field of non-traditional sexual orientation”–it is about winking at a part of Russia being allowed to oppress and kill Russian citizens on Islamic grounds.

        Not only is this morally abhorrent, but I believe that allowing a Shari’ah state in Russia itself is going to bite Russia back–and sadly, probably sooner rather than later. I cannot believe that Russian officials consider this growing horror benignant.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 10, 2017 at 10:11 pm

          agreeing with GI: “morally abhorrent” … unconscionable. Truly Islamic.

        • The Confessions says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 4:37 am

          Very well said gravenimage. Russia does this at her peril.

          =================================
          https://theconfessionsweb.wordpress.com/

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 3:06 pm

          I’ve read that Russia’s idea is to replace its low-producing population with a high-producing one.

          I can’t understand why they would choose such a dangerous high-producing population. Could it be that they hate Christians so much that they take people trained in a 1,400 year old political system that is intended to eliminate all but themselves, rather than considering some non-Muslim population with a high birth rate?

          If so, that would demonstrate the old saying “cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.”

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 3:42 pm

          Thank you, Mortimer and The Confessions.

          And I would urge readers here to check out The Confessions’ fine site, which he links to.

    • vladkoval says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      “Where is Christianblood to tell us how benign Shari’ah is in Chechnya?”

      CB was just a paid troll from Olgino Troll Factory.
      Looks like they left the idea to troll on the anti-jihady blogs.
      I guess, the reason of it is that they see it doesn’t work.
      Now the obvius alliance of Russia and Iran is inevitable (for many dummies Russia and Iran are still enemies).
      That’s why CB dissapeared.
      Or maybe I am wrong and we will see him soon again.
      He might be busy on an other political blog, promoting under the nick like “Truth_of_Islam” the idea that Trump is Nazi, Racist, Islamophobe.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 3:55 pm

        Vladkoval, Christianblood seems to have disappeared after the awful Jihad terror attack in St. Petersburg.

        He regularly claimed that Jihadists were only attacking the West because we are weak, and would never dare attack Russia–never mind that this made no sense, since there have been terrible terrorist attacks in Russia before. But I think this just made it too obvious that his claims did not stand up.

        • Terry says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 5:19 pm

          Actually, this is to Graven i.

          The other day, one of the Wall Street Journal people made a video (for WSJ-online-like 3 minutes) about Putin, his rise to power, etc.

          Mentioned were not only the recent subway bombings, but some apartment bombings a few years ago.

          Seems that there is the possibility that Putin or his people ORCHESTRATED BOTH- because the opposition was getting noisy. (The WSJ phrased it in nicer, more polite terms).

          And, blaming it on terrorists- mutes the opposition.

          I have no opinion, nor any information one way or the other.

          Just thought-interesting observation

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 10:54 pm

          Hi, Terry. I am *no* fan of Putin–but I do not doubt that Russia is under attack from Jihadists.

          These attacks are just like those in the West–and Muslims take credit for them.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 11:49 pm

          There is a huge difference between Russia putting up with Muslims to any country in the west. Russians are not the majority in Chechnya and they seem to have a great deal of autonomy where Muslims in our countries don’t have autonomy and are not a majority in any state.
          It should really be compare to Utah and the rest of US. Imagine if all the Mormons there were like Muslims in Chechnya and enjoyed the same degree of autonomy and decided to follow their own laws. Even that is not identical because the number of Mormons is not the same as the number of Chechens.
          So they are part of the US but basically run their own show.
          This would be a much harder problem to solve. Look at what happened when Russia went up against Afghanistan. I have a feeling the same would happen if they went up against Chechnya. There would be no shortage of people screaming for Putin’s head but a total invasion of Chechnya would be needed to fix this.
          The west being so in love with Muslims would most certainly support the Chechens. And then what? When majority of the population are in agreement and the whole state is ready to fight you what do you do?

        • Terry says

          May 7, 2017 at 1:56 pm

          Russia did not only have losses in Afghanistan, it also had victories.

          One problem- Reagan’s biggest error- he armed the mujaheddin. Had he not, Russia would have annihilated them all.

        • vladkoval says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 8:21 am

          Graven!
          As for SPB bombing.
          Right after the first explosion the Rus-Tv announced that TWO explosions happened in SPB subway.
          Because, they were really supposed to be TWO!!!
          But something went wrong, and the second bomb didnt explode and was found by the ordinary policemen.
          The whole SPB now knows that FSB stands behind the bombing.
          And no need conspirology – they really got caught – really got caught!

        • Terry says

          May 7, 2017 at 1:59 pm

          As to Russia in Afghanistan- when Bush 2 was President, he allowed (probably ordered) his military people to speak to the Russian military about Afghanistan.

          A portion of the early success there was because of Russian help, maps, etc.

          Of course, since it was working, slowed it down and Obama ended it. And the lefties helped along.

  5. Benedict says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm

    Don’t they have Jews in Chechnya?

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      Not many, Benedict. Most of the small surviving population fled during the Chechen wars, when they were specially targeted for kidnapping and violence.

      I was not able to find exact figures for Chechnya, but the largest population of “Mountain Jews”–as the local Jewish population is known–is in neighboring Azerbaijan, and that number is under 3000. There must be even fewer in Chechnya.

      • Benedict says

        Apr 10, 2017 at 6:03 pm

        ?

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 10, 2017 at 6:08 pm

          Thank you, Benedict.

  6. Custos Custodum says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Surely Theresa Sparks, “Executive Director of the San Francisco Human Rights Commission” will hold a press conference to speak up against this outrage any minute now.

    Theresa?

    Are you there?

  7. nicu says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Coming to Europe , soon — or wherever Muslims spread like cancer .

    • Eur says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 4:54 pm

      Yep

  8. Wellington says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    Never to be forgotten or overlooked: For Leftists, defending Islam is even more important than defending gay rights because The Other, which means anything that is not Western, is always better. Going native and all that rot. Of course, these fools want both, but if Leftists have to choose here, as so increasingly these rubes do have to, they will choose Islam over gay rights, so effed-up is their capacity for proper cogitation.

    Tending once again to prove that if one is a Leftist such a person suffers from a mental disease. But I don’t want to sympathize here too much and thus allow for any exculpation. Some mental diseases do require great sympathy and understanding, for instance schizophrenia, but others are mostly self-induced, easily correctible and due chiefly to laziness, general ignorance and a dearth of common sense. For instance, Leftthink.

    • Michael says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 5:38 pm

      Wellington, it may well be a disease.

      Something has happened — by design, surely, and over many decades — to the thinking / cognitive / analytical / critical thinking skills of many people. Meaning they don’t have them. So they can ‘look at’ Islam vs. West … kill gays vs. let them live … brutality vs. freedom … and will choose the left vs. right — in the face of evil. At least I’m convinced they must, because this information is not hidden, and still the support for Islam.

      There are psychological ‘things’ that have gone on for, have been planned for, many decades, perhaps longer. Via TV, mass media, things like Facebook, constant exposure to images that are quite precisely planned for their effect … the human brain does not function as it used to. It is a tool, obviously, a muscle, an ability that must be developed and honed and practiced all life long.

      The greatest tool for the destruction of the human brain is TV. From a muscle that was used and engaged and inquiring and absorbing and synthesizing … the brain now became passive, stimulated with little tweaks of pleasure and emotion, or appealed to with the basest of human impulses.

      Our brains have atrophied, as any muscle does without use.

      Education in the US, of course, falls far short of truly engaging the brain. Our education system is destroying the brain. And this is hardly by accident.

      The survival of civilization and the West and Christianity, will depend on those who can think, do who think, and who can recognize evil, and fight against it.

      It doesn’t appear to be that those on the Left, the ‘tolerant’ ones, will aid in this a tremendous amount. In all these things, I always hope I am wrong, and am always open to other insights. Mine are limited to what I know, have seen, have studied.

      • StacyGirl says

        Apr 10, 2017 at 9:25 pm

        Strange you say that something has happened to peoples’ thinking. As a student of world religions in the backwards 1970s, a liberal former nun explained the attraction of Islam thusly: mostly men subscribe to the doctrine of a god that allows debasement and violence in the name of something holy. The already violent barbaric tribes were eager to join this new religion. They just redirected their morbid acts toward a god. Why is the history of this catastrophic cult so difficult to see?

        • Michael says

          Apr 10, 2017 at 9:53 pm

          StacyGirl, Islam appeals to the basest parts of us. Powerful parts, too, or Islam wouldn’t have the following it does. However, take away the death penalty for leaving Islam, and I think we would see it dissolve fairly rapidly.

          The thinking I’m referring to is the seeming inability to distinguish evil from good. To look at female genital mutilation, or stoning for adultery, or hands cut off for stealing, or 100 lashes — brutal lashes — for being in the company of a man. The list goes on, of course. And to go … this is wrong. People can’t recognize an ideology that masquerades as a religion.

          To be able to brutalize without fear of punishment? That’s what Islam allows and condones. There surely is a part within us that is powerful, and that lusts for that kind of control, especially in men. Humanity has brutal, brutal aspects to it. But for most of us, there are forces to counteract what otherwise would be a jungle. Call is laws, call it civilization, whatever all the forces are to rein in a lot of human impulses that, left unchecked, would destroy everything.

          Of course it would appeal more to men, as they get to do the brutalizing. Few women would actually subscribe to it. They aren’t given a choice. They are born into it, and can leave only at great risk, and likely the loss of their lives. The only reason that I can think that a woman would subscribe to it — and it’s a powerful one — is that the principles if Islam are inculcated in them from before their first breath, while they are in the womb. They don’t know of another life. This is forced into them as right, holy, sacred, Allah’s will. We can be made to believe an awful lot of things, if we are taken early enough, or if the brainwashing is severe enough even later in life.

          For those not part of Islam, there is, it seems, a great difficulty for many to look the evil of Islam in the eyes, recognize it, and call it for what it is: evil. Instead, we tolerate. We accept others’ belief systems. We accept others’ lifestyles … even brutally violent ones, even ones that espouse killing the tolerant ones. We end up accepting, tolerating, defending, a murderous ideology.

          I don’t believe the critical thinking skills are in most people today, as we they were decades ago. It’s clearly affected our definition of morality, of right and wrong. People don’t know how to think hard and long, how to research, how to compare critically. Our brains don’t work as well as they used to, because we aren’t asked to, or required to, use them. The ‘demands’ of education on children have diminished greatly over the last several decades. We are a people easily controlled, influenced, and manipulated. We entertain ourselves far more than we educate ourselves.

          If we thought ‘anything goes’ back in the 60s, I think it pales in comparison to what goes today, mostly unnoticed, and if noticed, a shrug, and then back to TV, or some other form of entertainment.

          Very complex issues. And ones that deserve a lot of thought and discussion. I appreciate your thoughts on it, and if you think I am off in what I am saying, I appreciate your response. All of this is simple, I suppose, on one hand … and extremely complex, as well.

        • The Confessions says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 5:00 am

          Hi Michael, really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this topic which I’ve been thinking about lately. It’s a complex web of factors yet you cover them well. I often think that before TV and computers, people used to read, play music, study, talk and discuss things seriously. There were no gadgets to easily distract us and so individuals spent more of their time learning. That’s not to say that this can’t be done with technology today – in many ways it actually helps. Yet, a person’s concentration and focus was far sharper back then compared with this current generation, and this concentration is necessary for disciplining the mind, critically evaluating problems and getting things done. The trap with technology, which is incredibly quick, is that it has made many of us impatient, desiring instant gratification and dissipates our creative energy the more time we spend on it.

          When we wants things NOW, and FAST, it’s easier for a younger person to read their Facebook News Feed or Twitter Feed rather than pull out a book (or a book of essays) on a topic that is important in order to learn more about it. Today’s generation is computer-savvy, click-trigger friendly and wants things in small pieces. Moreover, technology has increasingly atomised society as well so when we communicate over broadband and not in person, it’s far easier to switch off and disregard whatever the other person says. Furthermore, this also means we’ve lost much of our ability to speak or converse properly with another person.

          I’m sure there are studies on this that are available – ironically, I shall seek these out on the Internet. However, thanks again for your thoughts since they’ve stimulated mine 🙂

          ==================================
          https://theconfessionsweb.wordpress.com/

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 5:37 pm

          StacyGirl, The Confessions, and Michael, interesting exchange.

          I think in part it is because of “political correctness” and its moral equivalence–the false idea that one ideology is pretty much the same as the next.

          Part of it is projection–the idea that because civilized Westerners are generally good people, that everyone else must be, as well.

          And finally, there is denial–too many people don’t *want* to know. Knowing how vicious Islam is and its aims for murder, conquest, and oppression are *terrifying*. So much “better” to ignore it.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 11:58 pm

          It’s not difficult to see if one wants to see. This is only attractive to damaged people.
          The ones born into this “religion” are pretty much brainwashed from birth and even some of them escape but the ones converting are very damaged.
          Psychopaths are at home in this cult but what I find most disturbing is women converting. They get nothing out of it so they have to be the most damaged people in our society.

      • Susan B says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 9:39 am

        Back in the early 1950s Dr Erich Fromn, a German philosopher, wrote a book called “The Art of Loving” which explained that in order to be a loving human being you needed to master three things, concentration, patience and disciple. It seems that these three characteristics have fallen by the wayside in western civilization. Even I am surprised at how far I have fallen especially in the concentration department. I do believe that the west is being destroyed from within via education and media of all types. In fact I now avoid TV and movies to show you how strongly I believe this to be true. It is easier to brainwash and control a non-thinking population.

        • Susan B says

          May 26, 2017 at 7:05 am

          Sorry discipline not disciple.

    • Angie Delacroix says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 6:32 pm

      Actually as an EXTREMELY atypical leftist I would confirm that many on the ‘left’ have a tendency to embrace anything that is perceived as Western or preferred by conservatives. There is an idiotic belief I’d call ”leftism” for those who mix Stalinism,anarchy,liberalism together with youth culture.It is SO impulsive,and so lacking in thinking.I’d add that anything seen as American get vilified too.It could be bluegrass music or apple pie.This is the USA and a few cohorts often England or Israel do all the horrible things to the world.The rest of the world wants hug-ins,and a coke.I’m a democratic socialist. All I want is an America where gov’t loans money to citizens to develop worker cooperatives.Everyone owns stock and management are also workers. I’ve no problem with the flag,nor the amendments to the Constitution.We need police and military,but can do without those who are trigger happy. Open Borders is another idiotic agenda.It is promoted by corporations who want cheap labor,which used to be a conservative idea.Anne Coulter denounced open borders as being of born of corporate greed.Voluntary worker cooperatives are the philosophical basis of democratic socialism ,not identity politics,nor white guilt,nor IslamoPHILIA . I think we need unity but neoliberalisms I.D. politics often divides such as Black Lives Matters.Awful bunch of separatist with anti-white racist overtones

    • Angie Delacroix says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 9:38 am

      WELLINGTON Actually as an EXTREMELY atypical leftist(whose views are disliked by most ‘progressives’ I would confirm that many on the ‘left’ have a tendency to embrace anything that is perceived as Western or preferred by conservatives. There is an idiotic belief I’d call ”leftism” for those who mix Stalinism(state socialism),anarchy,liberalism together with youth culture.It is SO impulsive,and so lacking in thinking that is qualifies as groupthink.I’d add that anything seen as American get vilified too.It could be bluegrass music or apple pie.This is the USA and a few cohorts often England or Israel do all the horrible things to the world.The rest of the world wants hug-ins,and a coke.I’m a democratic socialist. All I want is an America where gov’t loans money to citizens to develop worker cooperatives.Everyone owns stock and management are also workers. I’ve no problem with the flag,nor the amendments to the Constitution.We need police and military,but can do without those who are trigger happy. Open Borders is another idiotic agenda.It is promoted by corporations who want cheap labor,which used to be a conservative idea.Anne Coulter denounced open borders as being of born of corporate greed.Voluntary worker cooperatives are the philosophical basis of democratic socialism ,not identity politics,nor white guilt,nor IslamoPHILIA . I think we need unity but neoliberalisms I.D. politics often divides such as Black Lives Matters.Awful bunch of separatist with anti-white racist overtones.Before the 1960’s there was at least support of the working class,but now the fake left has discarded concern for the working and middle -classes.

      • Terry says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 5:26 pm

        Government loans money– AND WHERE- FROM WHAT TREE- IS THIS MONEY FROM?

        THE GOVERNMENT PRODUCES NOTHING–IT TAKES FROM THE PRODUCTIVE AND GIVES TO THE NON-PRODUCTIVE.

        The only exceptions are defense and the space program WHICH HAS PAID HUGE DIVIDENDS–SO THE LIBERALS CUT IT SHARPLY, TO INCREASE MONEY TO ILLEGALS.

        Capitalism HAS DONE MORE TO ALLEVIATE POVERTY AND RAISE LIVING STANDARDS THAN ALL OF THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS TOGETHER.

        • Michael says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 5:49 pm

          ba-da-bing, ba-da-BOOM. well said, Terry.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 7:08 pm

          Terry wrote:

          Capitalism HAS DONE MORE TO ALLEVIATE POVERTY AND RAISE LIVING STANDARDS THAN ALL OF THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS TOGETHER.
          ……………………..

          Very true, Terry.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 6:55 pm

        Angie, I may not agree with all of your views on economics, but I do with the rest of your post. Glad to have you as an ally against the Jihad.

  9. miriamrove says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    Meanwhile the murderous prophet was into pedophilia and necrophilia and everything else in the middle. m

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 5:50 pm

      Yes–including “pearly boys”.

      Islam seems fine with pedophilia and homosexual rape if it is done to humiliate. What is hates is any kind of consensual relationships. *Ugh*.

  10. Johan Elzinga says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    A staggering 3 or 4 percent of each population is gay by birth. Denying this many people life and killing them would translate to a staggering 52000 people (of the 1.3 million population of Chechnya). That’s a lot of people to be killed. Or to be feared, if they would take up the weapons. I would certainly support them.

    • Terry says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 5:17 pm

      When I lived in a rural area of Florida ( about 20 or so years ago) a neighbor had three GOATS. One female, two male. The two males were constantly mounting each other.

      The neighbor had wanted to breed the female, but the males ignored her.

  11. jewdog says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    A lot of gay people are very sympathetic towards Islam, assuming incorrectly that because red-necked, Trump-supporting yahoos like us don’t like Islam, that therefore Islam likes them. This is what’s called an Informal Fallacy, subcategory My Enemy’s Enemy. No, one’s enemy’s enemy is not necessarily a friend.
    And, by the way, Trump has no animus towards gays.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 6:01 pm

      You are right–Trump is not anti-gay.

  12. Voytek Gagalka says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    Are you sending some tomahawk missiles on Grozny, Mr. Trump? Not yet? Gays, you say, are not your priority? Oh, you depleted your stock of those expensive missiles during the latest attack against Assad? What a pity! But, on “positive note,” you created some “new jobs” to replace them ASAP. I see…

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      You wanted FGM supporter Hillary?

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 12, 2017 at 7:20 pm

      Whatever mistakes Trump is apt to make–and I’m sure they will be not a few, since he is not as knowledgeable about Islam as we could wish–he was still certainly the better choice.

  13. DFD says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    From Europe
    ==========.

    Germany:

    The mayor of Freiberg, Sven Krüger (SPD, yes, SPD!) has sent a bill of €736,200 for the year 2016 to Angela Merkel. Merkel had promised the local municipalities would not have to fund the “refugees”. His little town of 42,000 had to accept 1,700 colonists. From the outset, he kept **all** financial matters relating to these separate and under the auspices of independent accountants. Merkel has so far not replied.

    Sweden/EU:

    Under the headline of “Second Class Victims” PI-News reported on some of the victims of Stockholm, the 10 year old Ebba Åkerlund, for instance – and the silence they received, the irrelevance accorded to these victims. As was Berlin, London, Nice etc. And compared that with the drowned Szyrian boy whose name went round the world, round the world and round…

    Somebody posted these two pictures for comparison of the girl Ebba Åkerlund and the Syrian kid on twitter: pi-news.net/wp/uploads/2017/04/stockholm-.jpg

    That’s how Muslims responded to this https://pi-news.net/wp/uploads/2017/04/stockholm-moslems.jpg

    Sickening, no?!

    But the good news is that we are keeping to our values. We are living the same way as yesterday and the day before and… Isn’t that wonderful? How civilized and well measured we are…

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 6:12 pm

      Horrifying response by Muslims for the murder of a little girl, DFD–but not surprising.

      But good to see a bit of pushback from the mayor of Freiberg–even it turns out to be largely symbolic.

      • Eur says

        Apr 10, 2017 at 7:28 pm

        Omg

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 3:20 pm

      Why would the Muslims care about livestock … er, a little girl?

  14. Walter Sieruk says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Here again is another opening for that “joke” that is nor really meant to be funny but to make a point.

    There is something to the semi-joke about the different kinds of negative kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian male and the kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim male when they encounter, at different times, a homosexual man. For when a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian man meets a “gay” man, that type of Christian will say many very ignorant things to him and as a result of those ignorant things said that “gay” man will end up with a headache. In contrast, when a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim man encounters a homosexual man, that type of Muslim will cut that “gay” man’s head off.

  15. no_one says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    Russia in general is anti-gay. I think they have passed a law against gay propaganda near schools or something like that.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      This is true–but it is only Muslim Chechnya that is sending gays to concentration camps.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      Russia’s native population is so low that they probably think they can’t afford to allow anyone to be gay.

      Sort of a forced breeding program.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 7:22 pm

        Chechnya is technically part of Russia, but this is not a Russian initiative. Chechnya is a Shari’ah state, and this is mainstream Islam.

      • Terry says

        Apr 15, 2017 at 12:26 pm

        Some years back (I am not a tennis fan, so I don’t know the name) but a top male Swedish tennis star, had billboards ( this was before the Muslim invasion) that, in Swedish, translated 9 to English) was something like- have sex to procreate for the state.

        I guess it did not work

        • Terry says

          Apr 15, 2017 at 12:26 pm

          I read that, when it came out, in a magazine, and thought it one of the most interesting billboards one could imagine.

  16. Francis Merde says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    ‘Those who have escaped said they are detained in the same room and people are kept altogether, around 30 or 40. They are tortured with electric currents and heavily beaten, sometimes to death.’

    Sounds like my last Saturday night.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 9:02 pm

      I almost never chide people for their sense of humor–but, really, this is not funny.

      • Francis Merde says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 5:29 am

        Yes it is. This was also said:

        And a spokesman for Ramzan Kadyrov, Chechnya’s leader, said there weren’t any gay people in the region anyway. “If there were such people in Chechnya,” he said, “their relatives would send them somewhere from which there is no returning.”

        Look at that statement. It’s so over the top that it reads like something out of The Onion.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 7:56 pm

          Unfortunately, Francis, we have heard this rejection of reality from Muslims before. Remember this story?

          “‘We don’t have any gays in Iran,’ Iranian president tells Ivy League audience”

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483746/We-dont-gays-Iran-Iranian-president-tells-Ivy-League-audience.html

        • Francis Merde says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 8:48 pm

          Furthermore, what do you think most annoys these people? I’d wager laughing at them would be pretty high on that list (as it always is with tyrants and despots). It’s kind of like how the “you can’t make jokes about the Holocaust” mantra actually plays right into what Hitler would’ve wanted (i.e., people are still jumping at the spectre of Nazism almost a century later). Hitler hated it when people made fun of him, and these Islamists are no different. They want people to fear and respect them, and can’t stand being made the butt of a joke. Hence, laughter is the best revenge…aside from high explosives.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 8:57 pm

          Dear Francis, if I had thought you making fun of the Jihadists, rather than making light of the plight of the victims, then I certainly would have applauded you.

          I have always been a big fan of the anti-Nazi humor of WWII.

          I think with humor it always matters *who* you are laughing at.

  17. Islam the religion of killers says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    So why would you come out of the closet ?

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 9:06 pm

      I very much doubt that they did. They were either denounced by someone as gay or else they were just suspected of being gay. In the past, Muslims have targeted victims as “gay” for dressing in a Western fashion, wearing jeans, wearing goatees, enjoying poetry, or listening to “Emo” music.

      Here is one such story:

      “Iraq: ‘Morality police’ stone to death at least 90 young men for ’emo’ appearance”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/iraq-morality-police-stone-to-death-at-least-90-young-men-for-emo-appearance

  18. alex9234 says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    Oh Christianblood, where art thou?

  19. Kris T says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    Unfortunately Christians have no moral ammunition against this, because the Bible says to kill gays in Leviticus, and in Romans it says gays are such (apparent) scum that they can’t get into heaven, so gays get tortured worse than even these Muslims are torturing them. Faith has run its course, it would appear.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 10, 2017 at 9:08 pm

      Robert Spencer is a devout Christian. Are you saying he has no right to condemn this savagery? He certainly is not lauding it.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      Christians are not perfect, but they have not murdered 270 million people since the time that their prophet lived.

      Muslims have.

      If I had to choose whether to be dropped off in an ISIS camp (an establishment for the agenda of Islam), or dropped off at a Christian church (an establishment for the agenda of Christ), I know which I would choose.

      • Michael says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 5:18 pm

        And those who bring up what the Christians have done, are often historically correct. Emphasis on ‘have done.’

        However … Christianity has evolved. Islam is stuck precisely where it was 1,400 years ago, with the same brutal murderous practices of 1,400 years ago. And Christianity NEVER put into any doctrine or ‘book’ the specific practices and instructions for murdering, mutilating, brutalizing, and subjugating people. At no time was Christianity the brutal murderous ideology that Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 9:00 pm

          And there is nothing in Christianity that teaches oppression and murder–just the opposite.

          When Christians have acted in this manner, they have not lived up to their faith.

          When Muslims act like this, it is on the texts and tenets of their faith, and on the model of the baleful “Prophet”.

        • Michael says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 9:11 pm

          yes, gravenimage. In many ways, it still is astounding to me to realize the complete brutality and utter inhumanity of Islam. It is the antithesis of what is good in humanity, and the complete encapsulation of everything brutal about humanity. We all have a shadow side to us that contains all of the evil that Islam is. Islam has no counterbalancing light to it. It is complete darkness.

          I admit that to realize what Islam truly is, shocks me to my core. In ways, not at all, because I know what humanity consists of. But that this ideology has existed, for 1,400 years, unchanged … I understand why for most people, it is incomprehensible that Islam exists. We cannot believe that such an ideology actually exists. It is the worst of horror movies, and worse still. And it is very, very real.

        • Susette says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 9:30 am

          If one statement can so brilliantly and concisely capture the essence of islam, it is your’s Michael: “Islam has no counterbalancing light to it.” Yes, it is all darkness and hate seems to be on a constant simmer in the hearts of all moslems…

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 7:30 pm

          Agreed, Michael–fine post.

    • somehistory says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 4:27 pm

      You show your ignorance of Christianity. Christians have never been commanded to kill anyone, ever, at any time.

      Christians are told that God Himself is the Judge and that He is the One, and only One Who makes the decisions and as Judge, He reads the hearts of each and rewards or punishes based on what He Alone can see.

      You have much to learn, but in my opinion, you won’t try. Hoping I am wrong.

  20. Relic says

    Apr 10, 2017 at 11:41 pm

  21. Crusades Were Right! says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 am

    A Limerick

    If Islamophobia’s detected
    The MSM say: “We reject it!
    The truth is old hat
    I’m telling you flat
    Expose Islam? Hell, we protect it!”

    • Michael says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 11:40 am

      Excellent limerick, Crusades Were Right!

  22. Dacritic says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 3:41 am

    For a religion that seems so homophobic, why did Muhammad then suck on the tongues of little boys? Why does the Islamic heaven contain young male companions?

    Islam is more stupid than anything I’ve known.

    • BC says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 4:11 am

      My thought is that as access to females is so circumscribed, boys are an alternative even though haram but not breaking the sex taboo. They do not consider it homosexuality unless they are ‘committed’ homos, ie. only like men and exclude women. That offends their ‘morality’ such as it is. Using boys for gratification, as is prevalent in some societies, is not counted as homosexual. Of course with the twisted logic of Islam who can tell? A religion that rules murder is acceptable in many situations is hardly mentally sound.
      Personally the thought of anal sex is completely repellent under any circumstances.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 3:29 pm

        http://bing.com/videos/search?q=ann+barnhardt+video+islam+sexual&view=detail&mid=78659C23DF2A43376AC778659C23DF2A43376AC7&FORM=VIRE

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 3:31 pm

          Sorry, didn’t realize that my two replies, both with the same link, would end up right under each other.

        • Michael says

          Apr 11, 2017 at 3:59 pm

          Jeanette, your posts are always powerful. Thank you. As for the video … I have watched part of it, will finish it tonight. To say it’s disturbing minimizes its impact. The segment on female genital mutilation — there are no words that would do justice to its horror.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 11, 2017 at 9:14 pm

        Muslims only really object to consensual relations between same sex adults

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 3:28 pm

      This explains that, and some other things about the heinous behavior of Muslims:

      http://bing.com/videos/search?q=ann+barnhardt+video+islam+sexual&view=detail&mid=78659C23DF2A43376AC778659C23DF2A43376AC7&FORM=VIRE

  23. Morgan Beaglemann says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 8:49 am

    So it is okay for adult men that are subscribers of Islam to have sex with young boys, but homosexuality is taboo?

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      They can explain how everything they do is correct.

      Just ask them.

  24. Florida Jim says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 10:32 am

    Muslims do not care what the world thinks they have their ever-changing koran and Mohammad’s quotes to guide them into Hell.

  25. John A. Marre says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    When the US media reports on it, it will be RUSSIA has concentration camps…..
    They will never tell the people that Muslims did it.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 9:24 pm

      I hope you are wrong–but fear you are not.

      Unfortunately, though, a spokesman for Putin has said that Russia will not do anything about this, which actually is appalling.

      Having a Shari’ah state within her borders cannot be good for Russia.

  26. Susette says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    Hate and evil are the dominating characteristics of islam and its manifestation confronts us day after day. The internet has opened the eyes of global citizens to the real islam and the world has not yet heeded the to call to justice and rid our good earth of this violent, abhorrent ideology.

    Instead, we have islam apologists such as PAMAMEEN who claim “Girls learn from women how to be Mommies. Boys learn from men how to be Daddies. If you screw with that system, the potential exists that it could interfere with our ability/desire/instinct to reproduce.”

    This line of thinking is so incredibly false. Not everyone has an “ability/desire/instinct” to reproduce. What does this say about the millions of people physically unable to reproduce? Or those that are the homosexual offspring of parents that did not “screw with the system” (whatever that means)? Humans are not animals with uncontrollable “Instinct to reproduce.” Many of us give the choice to have children (or not) enormous discernment and reflection.

    Sex between two (or more) consenting adults is no one’s business. Muslims – leave people to pursue happiness on their terms. Your ideology stinks and is damaging to humanity in countless ways.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 6:01 pm

      Apparently Muslim humans ARE animals with uncontrollable instinct to reproduce.

      Or at least to engage in the first stage of reproduction.

      Remember when Muslims were attacking and raping little Danish schoolgirls as they walked to school? The Muslims’ excuse was that the girls were not wearing Muslim clothing, therefore the men were unable to control themselves.

      To which a Dane answered, “Muslims are too uncivilized to live in civilized countries.”

  27. Mira Chaikin says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    Even SNOPES says this is real.

    http://www.snopes.com/2017/04/11/chechnya-concentration-camp-homosexuals/

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 6:14 pm

      Yes–thanks for the link, MIra.

  28. Mira Chaikin says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    Many of the acts of homosexual rape by immigrants in Europe from Muslim countries have been tagged as jihadist acts. This camp in Chechnya appears to be a coverup by a government of a Muslim country as some sort of response to that.

    Hitler and Goring both swung both ways; I have my doubts that Hitler actually slept with Eva Braun, she might have just been a front to fool the Germany public. It’s been my understanding that the intent of the Third Reich and their occult practices was to be bring back times such as Babylonia and worse where there was a lot of slavery and sick stuff going on and no taboos on things like homosexuality (the Old Testament calls it an abomination, etc.) So it was a blood orgy. There was a blood orgy aspect to it.

    The Nazis put gays in concentration camp while Nazi leaders practiced homosexuality and bisexuality on the sly. There’s a dark culture around some members of the gay culture where they practice sexual sadism and masochism among each other. Hitler was playing with the gays in those camps putting them in the masochist roles, not something they agreed to voluntarily.

    But this activity in Chechnya, putting gays in the camps is a clean-up measure as some of the sexual perverts who become jihadists, besides raping females, are raping men.

    I worry about the people I know and like who are gay as they got that way due to rape and violence, in this life or another. I know one guy who is gay because he wants to keep an eye on the psycho gays, the Nazi gays. And all these people, in their minds have an opposite sex partner they are with, not the gay partner so it seems to me a cope situation not appropriate in a free country. That’s what trafficked women do or people stuck in arranged or in the wrong marriage do too. Just a thought. It’s nice to have freedom to love who you truly love.as in man and wife.

    This last paragraph triggers reactions. Sorry.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 6:16 pm

      I’ve read things so bad about HItler and the Nazis that I can barely bring myself to write about it.

      Suffice it to say that they were using human sacrifice on a massive scale to contact a negative entity (some say Moloch) to get an additional dispensation of time for themselves. They had five death (not “work”) camps where people were burned alive (the more pain and terror, the more emotion that could be used for the contact). One of the camps was reserved especially for burning children alive.

      Their effort to contact Moloch is said to have failed.

      This came from a person who was training with an organization that was secretly working with the Nazis. He left when he found out what was going on, and much later wrote this expose’.

      Now I won’t sleep tonight.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 10:07 pm

      Mira Chaikin wrote:

      But this activity in Chechnya, putting gays in the camps is a clean-up measure as some of the sexual perverts who become jihadists, besides raping females, are raping men.
      ……………………

      MIra, Chechnya is a Shari’ah state that has waged Jihad against Infidel Russia.

      The idea that Chechnya is putting gays in concentration camps in order to fight Jihad makes no sense, I’m afraid.

      Unless you believe that their condoning the “Honor Killing” of women to be fighting Jihad, as well?

      • Mira Chaikin says

        Apr 12, 2017 at 1:21 am

        Graven Image, You misunderstand me. It appears that some of the homosexual rapes being committed by refugees from Muslim countries are being passed off as having jihadist intent and the rapes are in concert with that. This might be true but homosexuality is considered kafar or forbidden in Islam. So Chechnya is trying to clean up this “p.r” flap by punishing gays and get attention for it. I don’t know that Chechnya is supportive of ISIS. But somebody who is supportive of ISIS might torture, imprison or kill other gays while being gay or bisexual himself in secret because they can get away with it as ISIS is made up of a demographic of people prone to sadism. That is what some of the Nazis did.

        • Angie Delacroix says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 9:48 am

          It is true that MACHO gay men are often not seen as gay,whereas males who even look effeminate are often labeled gay. The truth is Ernst Roehm of Brownshirt S.A, fame and his pals would torture or rape the effeminate youths. The Nazis were often hypocritical as their Japanese,and Arabic friends were of ”inferior races”

        • Mira Chaikin says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 11:23 am

          So that’s why Hitler saw Ernst Roehm as a threat and had him killed. If Roehm had known about Hitler’s closeted homosexual inclinations, he would have tried to overthrow him or kill him.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 12, 2017 at 8:23 pm

          Mira Chaikin wrote:

          Graven Image, You misunderstand me. It appears that some of the homosexual rapes being committed by refugees from Muslim countries are being passed off as having jihadist intent and the rapes are in concert with that.
          ……………………………..

          Mira, raping Infidels *is* Jihad. That is why these attacks are reported here at Jihad Watch.

          “Sweden: Muslim migrants repeatedly rape 12-year-old boy, film the whole thing”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/sweden-muslim-migrants-repeatedly-rape-12-year-old-boy-film-the-whole-thing

          “Australia: Muslim refugee rapes 10-year-old boy, says what he did is not a crime because it’s acceptable in his homeland”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/australia-muslim-refugee-rapes-10-year-old-boy-says-what-he-did-is-not-a-crime-because-its-acceptable-in-his-homeland

          There are, grimly, many more.

          More:

          This might be true but homosexuality is considered kafar or forbidden in Islam.
          ……………………………..

          Not entirely, MIra. The “Prophet” molested little boys, and Muslim men are promised “pearly boys” in Paradise.

          Pedophilic homosexual rape is rife in the Muslim world.

          What *is* banned is consensual relations between adult men.

          More:

          So Chechnya is trying to clean up this “p.r” flap by punishing gays and get attention for it.
          ……………………………..

          With all respect, Mira, I don’t believe this has anything to do with what is happening in Europe–except that both are Islamic.

          Iraq was stoning gay people to death before this recent raft of rapes of boys in Europe, and Iran has been hanging gay victims for decades now.

          More:

          I don’t know that Chechnya is supportive of ISIS. But somebody who is supportive of ISIS might torture, imprison or kill other gays while being gay or bisexual himself in secret because they can get away with it as ISIS is made up of a demographic of people prone to sadism. That is what some of the Nazis did.
          ……………………………..

          Both ISIS and Chechnya are Shari’ah states, Mira–ISIS is just a bit more comprehensive, probably because Kadyrov worries that Russia might object if he started stoning women to death in the streets.

          But so far, Russian has not reacted at all, and a spokesman for Putin specifically said that they would do nothing to stop these latest atrocities.

        • Mira Chaikin says

          Apr 13, 2017 at 1:21 am

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri

          “And round about them will (serve them) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think they were scattered pearls”

          Like the Cherubs that line walls of churches and in Christian art.

          Many verses of the Quran refer to the recreations of their spouse(s) they had in their Earthly lives:[original research?]

          And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kindC so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think! … And He it is who creates [all life] in the first instance, and then brings it forth anew: and most easy is this for Him, since His is the essence of all that is most sublime in the heavens and on earth, and He alone is almighty, truly wise.

          — Quran, sura 30 (Ar-Rum), ayat 21…27[29]

          (Some people’s idea of heaven is being with their beloved spouse.)

          In Islamic mythology, the houris (/ˈhʊəriz, ˈhaʊəriz/)[1] or ḥūr (plural of ḥaurāʾ, “gazelle-eyed (woman)”)[1] or ḥūrīyah[note 1] (Arabic: حورية‎‎) are commonly translated as “(splendid)[2] companions of equal age (well-matched)”,[3] “lovely eyed”,[4] of “modest gaze”,[5] “pure beings” or “companions pure” of paradise, denoting humans and jinn who enter Jannah (paradise) after being recreated anew in the hereafter.[6]

          Note: modest gaze, pure beings

          You have a dirty mind Graven Image and you think like a pornographer.

          And no, the Prophet Mohammad was not gay and like Christianity and Judaism, Islamic scripture is full of warnings against it.

          And yes, there is homosexual activity of a violent nature that goes on in so-called Muslim countries along with marriage rape and forced marriages. And no, it’s not mandated by Islamic holy books but it is considered quite okay by perverts who teach it to other perverts. I’m sure there are Catholic priests who have spun some twisted argument from a spun mush in the Bible that it’s okay to rape little boys. Brings them closer to God or some crap like that.

          And no, just because some black men raped some white women does not mean that all all black men are rapists. That was an oldie but goody in the US years ago. You probably believed it from the way you write.

          You might have also believed that Jewish people had horns and kidnapped little Gentile babies and cooked them. People swore that was truthz

        • gravenimage says

          May 7, 2017 at 3:24 am

          Apologist for Muslim savagery Mira Chaikin wrote:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri

          “And round about them will (serve them) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think they were scattered pearls”

          Like the Cherubs that line walls of churches and in Christian art.
          …………………………

          Yeah, right. The rape of boys is rife in Islam. The “Prophet” himself is described in the Hadith as molesting small boys.

          More:

          Many verses of the Quran refer to the recreations of their spouse(s) they had in their Earthly lives:[original research?]

          And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kindC (sic) so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think! … And He it is who creates [all life] in the first instance, and then brings it forth anew: and most easy is this for Him, since His is the essence of all that is most sublime in the heavens and on earth, and He alone is almighty, truly wise.

          — Quran, sura 30 (Ar-Rum), ayat 21…27[29]
          …………………………

          Yes–we all know about the love of a Muslim and his four wives, child brides, and unlimited sex slaves.

          More:

          (Some people’s idea of heaven is being with their beloved spouse.)
          …………………………

          This is true–but Muslims are regularly sold on waging violent Jihad by the specter of unlimited rape of Houris and pearly boys in Paradise.

          An eternity with a single beloved spouse is *not* an enticement in Islam.

          More:

          In Islamic mythology, the houris (/ˈhʊəriz, ˈhaʊəriz/)[1] or ḥūr (plural of ḥaurāʾ, “gazelle-eyed (woman)”)[1] or ḥūrīyah[note 1] (Arabic: حورية‎‎) are commonly translated as “(splendid)[2] companions of equal age (well-matched)”,[3] “lovely eyed”,[4] of “modest gaze”,[5] “pure beings” or “companions pure” of paradise, denoting humans and jinn who enter Jannah (paradise) after being recreated anew in the hereafter.[6]

          Note: modest gaze, pure beings

          You have a dirty mind Graven Image and you think like a pornographer.
          …………………………

          What absolute crap. Is Mira Chaikin pretending that these virgins are for Muslims to play rounds of Old Maid with? No–they are created for Muslims to rape.

          They may be “modest”–their rapists are not.

          More:

          And no, the Prophet Mohammad was not gay and like Christianity and Judaism, Islamic scripture is full of warnings against it.
          …………………………

          No, he was not “gay” in the modern sense of having consensual relationships with other homosexual adults–he just molested male children as well as raping women and little girls.

          More:

          And yes, there is homosexual activity of a violent nature that goes on in so-called Muslim countries along with marriage rape and forced marriages. And no, it’s not mandated by Islamic holy books but it is considered quite okay by perverts who teach it to other perverts.
          …………………………

          What *absolute rot*. Muhammed himself “married” a six-year-old child and violated her when she was nine, and raped countless captives and sex slaves. This is enshrined in the Qur’an, the Hadith, and the Sira.

          Yet more:

          I’m sure there are Catholic priests who have spun some twisted argument from a spun mush in the Bible that it’s okay to rape little boys. Brings them closer to God or some crap like that.
          …………………………

          What crap–that argument has never been made. There is, in fact, nothing in Christian scripture that condones this.

          And Jesus was not a rapist, nor was he a pedophile–but the appalling “Prophet” of Islam was.

          More:

          And no, just because some black men raped some white women does not mean that all all black men are rapists. That was an oldie but goody in the US years ago. You probably believed it from the way you write.
          …………………………

          What calumny. I have spoken out against racism many times. There is nothing intrinsic in being Black or any other race that inclines someone to rape.

          But adhering to a creed that *sacralizes* rape does.

          More:

          You might have also believed that Jewish people had horns and kidnapped little Gentile babies and cooked them. People swore that was truthz (sic)
          …………………………

          More crap, of course. I have never said anything antisemitic–but antisemitism is a core tenet of Islam itself. They are the ones who repeat these blood libels–not decent Anti-Jihadists.

          And there is nothing that physically sets Muslims apart–in fact, Chechens are Caucasian and do not differ ethnically from Christian or Atheist Russians.

          What sets these thugs apart is the vicious creed they have chosen to embrace.

          Notice that the vile Mira Chaiken does not have a word of criticism for these concentration camps.

  29. somehistory says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    MSN had a story on this and some are saying that “tradition” …referring to the moslim tradition…shouldn’t be allowed to cause this to be happening.
    Tried to find the link, but lost it.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 6:20 pm

      Well, it was the the President with the “colorful lifestyle” and his friends with the “colorful lifestyles” who let all the Muslims into this country, so if it happens here I guess we could call it poetic justice.

  30. TL says

    Apr 11, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    Homosexuals have been courting a brutal backlash against their pushy degeneracy for at least 100 years. Further, they comprise a vanguard of shock troops acting according to the anti-middle class dictum, épater la bourgeoisie. Their antisocial movement helped to bring about transgenderism, which demands that all humans let their most important aspect, their mind, be colonized by an obscene lie and corrupted with deceitful reasoning needed to believe the lie.

    You would not, if you are sane, hand over your body to be abused. So why would you hand over your mind to the homosexuals, the transgender narcissists, and their apologists? Why do you have so little self respect?

    Let the persecution increase in scale and scope throughout the world, as well it should, until the disease and perversity has been suppressed again.

    • Terry says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 9:26 pm

      TL– I think your reasoning is, well weird. (Incidentally, I AM STRAIGHT; ALTHOUGH HAVE BEEN FRIENDS WITH GAY MALES AND ALSO GAY FEMALES. I AM MALE).

      I agree, ( and some of the gays that I know also agree) that SOME GAYS ARE PUSHY AND “IN YOUR FACE”.

      Most, however, prefer just to be left alone. And, what they do in their bedrooms, is their business. (as consenting adults).

      To (if not exact, very close) quote the late, great, Senator Barry Goldwater: ” I DID NOT LEAD A REVOLUTION TO GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLE’S POCKETBOOKS, TO GET THE GOVERNMENT INTO PEOPLE’S BEDROOMS”.

      Live and let live. Muslims cannot seem to get that.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 11, 2017 at 10:25 pm

      TL, you must *love* Jihadists.

      Why don’t you join them, and you can throw gay people off roofs and stone them to death. *Ugh*.

  31. Bleeps says

    Apr 13, 2017 at 10:29 pm

    Scientific facts why gay men should be killed as irecuperable dysfunctional members of society!
    I will give google search queries since the first search result is unable to offer me the content of the journal artichle . Type , Homosexuals more prone to pedophilia or (molestation of young boys which is bigger than of girls
    https://www.google.ro/search?q=homosexuals+more+prone+to+pedophilia&rlz=1C1ASRM_enRO603RO603&oq=homosexuals+more+prone+to+pedophilia&aqs=chrome..69i57.13011j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 pm

      Oh, God–another apologist for Muslim savagery. Why don’t you join TL in the Islamic State?

    • Terry says

      Apr 15, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      Bleeps,

      As I posted a few places above-I am a straight male, and have and had gay friends, acquaintances and co–workers. (Male and female).

      Their lovers/partners WERE ALWAYS ADULTS.

      And the studies I have seen, and my brother -in-law had seen (he was a psychologist) PEDOPHILES WERE ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY STRAIGHT.

      Not even bi. Just straight.

      But, I am sure, one can, with enough imagination, be able to twist anything. Just throw out inconvenient facts or responses.

  32. heather says

    Apr 15, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    There are plenty of homosexual muslim men in muslim countries. Google Youtube. They have underground secret meeting places. I tend to think, by the way they seem to dislike women and avoid mixing with. at all costs. that the majority of muslim men might be homo. Killing gays is self-delusional.

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